the industry to be continued is say, this is this dialogue. we don't always talk to people that have different opinions that we do. everyone has to police must have it here as the society doesn't do enough to recognize and celebrate women. it was fun. this was fun. to have an american occupation of admitted eastern countries, the street on algae 0 ethnic violence has engulfed india as north eastern money for states since early may, more than a 100 people have been killed and thousands displaced. so can you tell me and bring peace to this austin, overlooked part of the country. this is inside story, the hello and welcome to the program. i'm getting you navigate the india is northeast region is landlocked and states. they're rely heavily on new delhi for their

budgets, but it's also a strategically significant border region and home to different ethnic, religious and linguistic groups. among these states as money poor, it's suffered ethnic tension and conflicts involving on separate trust movements for decades. rival groups fight overland resources and identity, and now it's experiencing its worst violence since the 19 ninety's will go to or i guess to know moments. but 1st, when we consume sharif explains why long running tension has escalated into violence. so this is northeast india made up of 8 states, several separate his movements had been active in this region, the boldest china bundle, dish and my on my phone, the hills and valleys. people living in money for have long been divided along ethnic lines. the valley is dominated by the majority, multi community that's mostly handled. the hills from 90 percent of the states area

on a home to the minority cookies and the now gods money full lives. next to man on the 2021. cool. that the people from the chin community were linked to the cookies fling to find safety, safety for us to balancing high school. there were a few g is a serious threat to democracy and lead to drive to identify undocumented migrants. the state government has a two's the migrants of purity protected for this line to cultivate trucks drive to evict them this year from cookie areas has and the people that balance in the state is the worst. in decades, it began in may after the money for high school recommended the my take community being drunk with special tried the state as a recognition. the cookies already have now this central some benefits to rectify and equality and discrimination. but the cookies feel this will allow others to access the protected resources. the my take to have them complained about land owned by hugh tribes being protected,

preventing others from buying any more than 100 people had been killed in the violence and tens of thousands of paper falls from the homes, selves and some security forces have been deployed to the state, the internet has been shut down and a coffee in post. so human rights was just calling on the indian government to immediately and impartially investigate killings by ethnic groups and security forces in money poor. it says, quote, accounts of partisan involvement by security forces in the killings has increased distrust of the or forty's and quotes. it's also urging new daily to work with community leaders to restore security. human rights watch also says the money for a government's internet blackout has severely hindered information gathering and reporting by the media and civil society groups. the government says the shutdowns necessary to stop what it called the spread of this information on false rumors.

let's not bringing our guests. joining us from new delhi is bad. that's the only number. who's a professor, a jello harlow. the university. he's also chairperson at the special center for the study of ne india in go. a hockey is a non, to whole kick in who is an associate professor of engine institute of technology go a how to his work focuses on estna, identity, politics and ethic, nationalism, and ne, india. and from co cutoff, we have severe a bowman who is a veteran journalist who has recently been in money poor state covering the conflicts. severe is also the author of to puts on ne india and sergent crossfire and troubled parents for a warm welcome to all. thank you so much for your time. so severe with the internet shut down. accurate information obviously could be hard to come by. so i'll begin with you because you were just in money port earlier this week. tell us what you saw and what the situation was like. it was a nightmare for journalists because you may be able to get

a lot of information on and running. story like this, but as we've gone from richard dog, sending back the story to where you want to does all to be a nightmare. that's number one. but apart from that, what actually waterfront is, this is the shut dog. it's. are you more, really, or just a new wires are flying, take on, saw, and the drivers insulted combustible, sensitive situation, stood indentured as to be born. so on regulation, we got to be in density on regulation. i think also as to the duration of possibly getting extended. right, but uh, as an eye on the ground. so what did you see? you know, it was very clear the every day that the state is still in the midst of a. so trying to do all the law numbers, if you're working,

the indian partner with the 2 forces a warranty. but there is obviously a major problem or mission between the 2 forces and the state police were sure did not go very well when some policeman, but getting to revise the pressures and there's, you know, to call the police all money and gave it to people of their own communities, which i know at the center, right? i'm going to do for our task, which is where problems which when all the sudden money. but that's a very serious situation. when the police gets got a to revise, the russians, i'm getting divided by ethnic pressures where funds are meant for police authorized user for this person that was all divide years and malls. that's a very dangerous thing. i mean, it becomes extremely difficult to control. that's the case in my book. okay. do you go to the volume dining?

you're really guys who, you know, it's and you know the terms are taking place now and then get an there. why? because a lot of people should not, i might have more problems. and then all the service course, okay, just stand by for a moment. let me bring a number to how to tell us. let's, let's take a step back and help us understand what's behind this current belt of violence. and how would you describe the current divisions? are they, are they primarily ethic? well, the situation is on risk, which is unfolding in the money for one of the northeast in the state of india, which border the india and young or s b and agree by add new classes between the dominion valley being made to the people on the cookies. or communities who belongs to the side of the tribe seems made taught so will well when wing back to you know, how it begins in, in an app really in, in mid tart, a protest which was organized by the. ready tribal,

the student union money board against the s the status of the month for the me days . i have kind of salt land and spits big into in the 2. it's on with district border land, some mist queens born. the annual book you are sending a bose which ease uh, which has very symbolic significance to the community. now ordering for to day small or at least a 100 people have been killed so far. henri, it's more is yours and tens of thousands have been internally displaced since taught me evening. but i also want to add that the. busy the use of you know, more, her bombs, snipers, and drones. gasper behavioral, this on the, you know, cynical, kimberly's is a source of full blown. all wire with, again, still keeps those communities. and what they have experienced in a sense can be a keen to a meaning. you quin uh or, or

a large on which is being forwarded to being to more or less and declared. let's bring it in the back. got a to give us your points of view on the situation and it sounds like the high courts directive to the money for a government seems to be the immediate trigger for uh, for the latest round of islands between the my chaise and the cookies. but to what extent do you think or can you tell us about the anger that's been simmering for a long time now? or yeah, it's a very long distance. the fear, the issue, the nation was against giving the new bones is. can you drive status to this majority, do make days and the broadcast by the uh, the driving community. does it all happened in the healey districts, but somehow the violence erupt. it's unfortunate. take any that will give joel, don't you need to do this? but uh, this is not the issue. this somehow was a good point. well,

i still don't understand why such an issue would have led to highlands because this is a asked to do some of that, but it is just inducing the issues with how to find the dog in the know because bowl and the uh are you own that show and so community must not be given or must be given. there is always an ample amount for the space to look into a what was one to is now today it is around almost $42.00 days and the wireless steam does not seem to stall. there is always a possibility, all starting a little violence at any point of time. and this i see is good for the reasons. one is more of an ideological or bonus because uh, this force of function induced floorspace is the easy way to get this sides. a 2nd

is what is happening in the draw. so we need to the 1st point is the key jo. communities whose population is around 7 to a lex uh, has been asking for quite some time. uh so, but it ministration of to be away from beautiful the government, the money are right on the ban of the majority made these are against separation of the story of the deal is see the money because it was being done 30 years before it became part of india. so when they just let this part of the reason money was an independent kingdom, we became barbara of india in 1949 the by god for the sake of time, or for the sake of time, let me just just jump in there with one more question to you before i bring in my

other yes, i mean, how do you respond to claims that over the past few months, the money for a government has reportedly taken actions and decisions which generates a sense of discrimination and security among the crew. can community respond to those claims? there is no discrimination. i do not understand what the discrimination is, a little above the issues of to drive status to be given to them in order to make these would always be followed by the old discussed of to institutional mechanics and but i'm more concerned with the kind of violence that hesitating about the board of the issue is, is a month. so who wants to bring any, by the end at this point. okay. let me bring that up to you. let me bring it down to how uh for a moment because i'm to have the might take community of if it, even though they constitute, as, as we were saying a moment ago, they constitute 53 percent of the population. they're only confined to about 10

percent off the land in the valley. so do you think that this proportion of distribution between the might say community and the tribes people is really the crux or one of the crux of the problem? yeah, because uh the, the month for this s t is that this uh, the tribals does not have any issue or problem as such in the sense of the time. but uh, the more you know, the lives as in the, uh, a problem its the try booth on when it gets fuel is that they are, you know, wait apprehensive. that is the best step. this is being given to the, made the communities who are much more at von, this blog, who are much more politically and don't mean and, and they also, you know, re present. uh, you know, uh sort the seats all of the 66 of the state assembly. so they are, you know, way, much more, you know, uh better and then uh, you know what it is. and so how, okay, the book is and then the travel call me this in general,

are apprehensive that this, this particular, you know, wrong, single best is put this in some way. would that allow them to, you know, have or own the land or have access to the tribal lens. so therefore, the construct isn't from reasons that this article treat $71.00 c, which has protected the try block on this of the land that is not allowing them on 5 boost on or access to land in the areas. so the severe, severe, let's talk about the government's response. would you? because some say that the prime minister, severe in the render emoji has appeared somewhat indifferent to the situation. if there's been no meeting, there's been no visit to the area. when the violence began, he was campaigning elsewhere in the country. why do you think that there has been uh, silence on the part of the of the, the prime minister? well actually we created the prime minister. this is a matter which is not in his do,

maybe it's something that is the movie style that you guys should be involved, even in smaller groups, off the motor status, and he wants to repair an error. and therefore, when things go wrong, people tend to choosing the problem here is pretty simple and straight. it's very near the bridge incident is wrong by the b j b. and they have not only understood the dynamics of money but properly. they have tried to pull their said from a very so what was the essentially an ethnic garages? they'll try to projected as a media what or something between bridges and they're doing that to sort of the something, what's already wrong way of dealing with this problem. the ongoing issue here is that they're not trying to come up with the go central brand or the bug solutions. or if you were attempt to start the dial by

which i mean or dial no between the different government. these were jobs are lower, include each other, right? the parts you know that. so we are the people, the people in money or actually have confidence in the b, j. p. state government from what you saw as well without getting into party. one of these i can fairly clearly say that both government is the result versions of all the state governments and therefore, and they fee that the government far did not have any idea that this really got to be such a violent red city. where did you, doctor? they could not get a group on the seduce transfer very soon. and even when the center forces gave me lots of numbers, this problem is going to be a bargain because somebody shows on either side are trying to, from the flames for their own best of interest. so okay, it's

a deal for the state government. the system is a failure of the state government government. and what do you think that new delhi should be doing at this point is see, i mean it's easy to blame the stage, but how impose happened? nobody seems to be bothered. the whole issue came up in into reality, 16021 state governments drive against the division of all of these was finally leads jump reduction of drugs, 0 ins, and others an internet, the dream of not a whole data resume that has been in operation to the states, but we've been trying to stall the cultivation. although opium, bobby's, and somehow this is irritated, a big nexus of the mafia. politicians and i said the other is in general is books included. so this forces wind just together rolled along against the state

governments and st. did the have all of the items, which is all engineers like i've, if you see created constructed loans. but the real issue behind is this drive by the state government against the division of the will be severe and the cause i saw your shaking your heads are on the point that my guess from natalie was saying, just give us your comments briefly, please. what are you doing really by these pieces that are these photographs divvy it up to because of the size of both stopped the contribution a you know, a lot of the bottom is drugs going to money for a lot of people are in there with these kind of guy exhibit from those these people, you know, the police office of the lady police officer who have to resign the downgrade and not have a good story to say very far for the people that are involved in this drug trade.

and therefore, it's a, there's no to bring some driving, going to do for, you know, planting buffer, why they're doing it, because there is no club or the new game which the government does when you're going to get a favor to give to this for, you know, sort of driving for a thank you for that. let me bring another show. how let me just bring it down to how for the sake of time. let's look at the bigger fixture and talk about the whether this violence threatens not only obviously threatens money poor, but what about the neighboring states and the region before going to that, can i just add a few lines to uh, the, my every bring me one very briefly yeah, and so i totally agree with the midst of all make when he says that the envelope does not include dental raising my oldest things hardly in was in these violence because uh we can actually see that the collapse of law and order from day one and

we also see that there is a, an ample evidence to so that's that to radical, a groups, namely the 1000000 uh, the median reporting to another i might dangled well, you know, being one to this, the 1000000 organizations. and then uh, what do you mean one of the interview on the facebook, those mit by, from woodson with the chairman of the meeting, the point openly in the sight of his followers. uh, we didn't quote to any of our traditional arrival on the hills. so this, in this sense, uh, uh, happened to, you know, uh, uh, maybe not this amid all gardens, but this happens to be in a pre planned and a way to calculate the most of these already go over nice and really big being in when i even spending this, okay, just on. so my question please, is this to answer my question, let's get onto what, what this means for the neighboring states as well as india, as a whole. if the violence continues to say, uh, this is going to have uh, you know,

lots of them if it gets and it's not only in the state of money for us. so it's on, of course the healing value has been divided a phone call. it seems quite another period they have been administered differently and you know, in the post colonial appeared to have been, you know, brought into the same in students in everyone's mind. but even up to 75 years of, in this independence i don't see any, any, any sort of, you know, or existence or, or any, you know, of trust building or inclusive. oh so, so you know, as in those on the part of, you know, either sides of the community now coming to your questions, one can actually see that there's a lot of ideal difficult proximity. for instance, if i bring in, you know, the median. so then group like the connelly buck omen, his party, which are also, you know, involving a lot of the drug on the network. it's me, it's also getting more of a manual the,

you know, the chinese and, and, and also on. ready the incident in groups, namely the u. n, a left for the p l e y, the military, just in time, young are so beautiful. this sort of nexus and ideological, you know, proximity in the somebody sends scanned a d. s. does that stop, please? all of this step lies in the order in the lower fine got, do you agree with that? is it fair to say that this is can have ripple effects and they stabilize ation for the geo politics of a sort of the region there. yeah, this seems useful to see the picture of the larger picture. what is happening is the mailing ma, there is a suit as well. the military joint is offensive against the minority communities and also this will be the invoice will get you in groups are also there. and manual is both dimensions as the, assuming the bulk relation has moved into the insight. so is in bottle of this, there has to be on video since the beginning of june,

the 31st. so there is already bought in the neighborhood to countries. and in many migration the migration you me see what the paypal is. it shows you, but media is not the business of this. so this population is dog in the large number. and manual the of the groups who have done in are really so this to get the papers. and the, this is reading a major have in the state of georgia and the inside the government as this i say again, the reason is also linked with this, leaving the bottom owners. but the nexus, the international mixes and money was big on the sinking, bought them trying to. this is something a very serious matter for the need. so be, are. so in the absence of a political settlement up until this point, uh, what's going to happen next?

well i did say i agree with the journeyman is full just now is that unless you're in a position to dress piece making in mama, you know it's gone and just solve the problem. all right, so because he's right as the the bottom usability joint talk gets more and more aggressive and the finding gets more intense in pro and says, enjoining money border and the boy in your state where a lot of references of government use broadening cannot be controlled there's also a drug on the but as 5 square, because solution has been some governor wayne. yeah. today got a new sure do both in my model because he's got a gun into the military connect with all the parties of the groups. so the kennel just wait and watch, which is the name of the 3rd is a good not true and leave everything to the young india and its own and drug test to take advantage of this for peace making environment. i'm also in money for it to,

to get it done or going between the different communities, the stats, the lines, and those are the interview. i don't think you're getting any. okay, and i'm to how there are reports that suggest that the beans or if he's local representative who belongs to the cuckoo community, it has asked the federal government to impose a separate administration over the hill areas and money poor. how likely is that to happen? do you think but it is not just the media, pamela, but uh, you know, uh and, uh, who diesel analysts and then 7 of them from you know, the ruling media at the am unless so one of them have taken a stance off the days of violence that started and then even one of the minister was the most, leans and killed by you know, the more so now they are taking a stance that they do belief and delete those people moody and so nobleman the

center. but they no longer believe in the the lead to people keeping us and be rinsing so therefore. busy they have been demanding and, and uh, in consultation with the civil society to the nice and this, and then various, all the stakeholders and, uh, the, the separate administrators and use the on the syllabus and at, at this point of time. now, okay, for you as, as i had all, it said that, you know, the, the, the uh, 75 years of the independence been to the ethnic groups as being the leading together with, you know, the end of a belly column to bots. then we could see a lot of socio economic disparity is new to under representation. okay, i'll have to just jump in there. i apologize. we have about 30 seconds remaining and i do want to buzz out to give us the final we're how do you think it's going to play out to you only have about 30 seconds or so, but that's yeah, just the piece has to be the priority at this point,

but it be good enough to go out and list people are dissolved. i mean bold in the hills as well as in does any of the 1000000 gloves. groups have gone, and particularly in the hills, there are several insurgents made any real data on this organizations who are having diebold with government of india. so they have to be dissolved and also the buddy who have taken us or they need to be this. all, i'm this, you, this, all of the people of the last me likely to continue the be skin all the possible if you stop this mean this. okay, on up the final word, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for my guess for joining us by god . so why not thank you and i'm to how keep going and severe from oak. we appreciate your time. thanks for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out. is there a dot com for further discussion? you can go to our facebook page. it's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can do in the conversation on twitter or handlers,

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