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the just that quick look at to be named stories this our hundreds of thousands of people fling the escalating violence in ons westdale full with many crossing the border into chad. b, u. n. a new as of one, the situation could become the repeats of post mass atrocities in the region. same bus for all the has mall from the child, sit on board to, to foster overnight sliding to continue this morning. the influx of refugees from sudan into chat has become exponential. you and hcr is here assessing the situation . and they say it is never in the past 2 months of war. ever been dispatch, certainly not at this border check post in audrey. but you and hcr also says that there's simply not enough funding there under funded, there's not enough international interest in this crisis. and now there's only chaos for can eat as of cold for diplomacy to end the warn you crying during the
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visit to keith. the said he's been targeted by russian missile strikes during that trip. a delegation will next have some petersburg to meet with russian present during the person. and move has been criticized by ukraine's president's view and agencies of course, as an action to prevent more tragedies of to this week ship track of greece up to $750.00 people would believe to be on board. those found a life has been transferred to a migrant comp. molly's for ministers called for the un security council to immediate. it was drawers peacekeeping force and the country without delay. cooling it, a failure, rejected this extra general's idea of changing emissions mandate that to come to an end on june 30th. but the one is expected to renew the mandate for knowing. yeah. for testers, in india's mind, a post date of set 5 to the home of a junior govern government administer demonstrate is, are petrol bombs at the home of runjun, sing the latest incident of ethnic violence in the state. no one was injured tensions between the cookie and my tie communities escalated last month, off to
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a judge who might get recommended. special status for the my ties of warrant all of those stories and then use our that's coming up at about 90 minutes. i'll be back with you for that. the stream is the program coming up next. where is the western agenda heading? that's the g 7. really even matter anymore. who's more electable, joe biden, or donald trump, or jeremy listen in the media undermining our society. can americans cross their supreme court is not corrupt. the quizzical look us pull it to the bottom line, the i as in the okay, today on the screen, we have a special episode with the olsa who wound merkle. he's also a commentator about muslims and is on the says and he has been
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a guest on the stream way back to the days when we used to have an orange. so. busy in the studio is they just put is cool to 1000000000 colleagues, and that is why we want him to be in the studio with us today part of our conversation. i really welcome back. so good to see you. as you describe yourself, sometimes just making buzzing this your trace. when did that start? how did that start? i started when i where i went and where i grew up. i grew up in small town and in massachusetts, been in connecticut, and i was pretty much the only brown kid. certainly the only most of that. and everyone wanted an explanation about anything and everything we did that was a little bit different and that just became kind of 2nd nature. i think for a lot of american muslims and folks were minorities. that's just something we do all the time. and then unfortunately, after september 11th, that became something we had to do and talk compelled to do. and really it's, it's been the passion of my life and the focus of so much my work for pretty much the last 20 something years. and i, i, the way i often say here is because you talk about issues around muslims and is,
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and you accessible and you break things down. so a little bit like when adults to go supporting people what's called that back. you go somewhere and people start asking you about is up and what do you think about this? what do you think about that? are you comfortable having that ro as well? my favorite part about that analogy is that i grew up in a south asian community in united states where pretty much everybody other than me was a doctor. you know, be quite you what's to do with me and be outside of that is that nobody ever looks at you during a fundraiser. that kind of just look the other way because they figure out that the writer probably aren't going to be donating anything here. but it is something i think that we should be comfortable with. i, i know there's a narrative out there that it's, it's incumbent as an obligation on people to go find information. but i think when you're a minority, it's really a privilege and an honor and a responsibility to try to tell the story that people might not have access to and change the narrative and change the story. so glad you said that because we have
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a youtube audience right now. the online, the comments section is available for our audience to talk to you directly if they've got 4 questions for you. comments sections right here, who i will bring some of the thoughts to you. you, you will have a journey and i so into berlin callous that i, i take that journey was you from way you where i was a kid to where you are now. incredible maturity. when you a youngster, you practice islam and you did what you were told. and now in this book you understanding what it was that you were told i'm putting in a contemporary setting. tell me about that, jenny, why do you want you to share it? as i heard a lecture, a few weeks back by a professor and educator who said that in this day and age we having some session with cramming information to the kids heads that we want them to know all these facts and all these dates and all these timelines, when we, our cells don't even know where the world's going to be in 10 years or 15 years.
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and we don't even know if any of that information is gonna be rolled into. what we should be doing is we shouldn't be giving them resilience confidence. i feel like they can figure things out for themselves. and i think what i really feel blessed by in my upbringing is that my parents really try to make me feel like i could handle the obligations of being a muslim in america on my own. and it took me a long time and there were a lot of failures and mistakes along the way. but i feel like i've reached a point where i am comfortable contributing on my own terms and in my own ways to communities. i don't want to pass that on and that's really the underlying and because not just be on the book, but behind everything i do is idea that really we don't, we don't know what the future is going to look like. and, and if we want our faith in our traditions and our values to go on beyond us and to advance ahead of us, then the people who carry them have to be able to survive without us. what's the actual? has rachel that came out a for so he's one of the earliest read is and he has a question for you. i'm going to play that question. as soon as we see the video
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video finish, please officer. immediately. here's must. i really love this group to building k, let's by removing to it's a delight to read really. besides all the information and all the history, it's just a great prose. and i would question too hard on you use a term caleb's to 1000000000 k let's which may shock people because they may think of california as a political institution, but you are referring to mostly mostly individuals as keyless. so what do you mean by that? like, are you trying to transform political vision into a more individualistic version of islam? i'll be sympathetic to that, but i'm really happy to learn what you exactly mean by that. so i think most of absolutely hits the nail on the head, california and the use of the term keyless and the title was a little bit intended because i knew it would stop people in the bookstore and potentially browsing and say, wait a minute, what does that mean, it's a term that,
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unfortunately, but understandably, it has some really negative residences given, especially the events of the last 10 years or so in california is associated with not just a political institution, but a really violent and authoritarian from a political institution by digging into the history of islam and the source text of islam. i found that the 1st mention of k lives and kayla fades is actually in the story of ottoman eve and, and to put it really succinctly and really simply basically the most, some conception is that every single human being male and female from the beginning of our species to be under a species regardless of religion, regardless of wealth or class, or crate or color. every single individual is a killer, which is just an arabic word or that originally mean something like a stuart, someone who acts and someone else is behalf. and so we're all tasked by god to live out and to build a better world. and so yeah, it is a kind of political vision, but it's a destabilizing one. and a democratic one is, let's take power away from hierarchies and dynasties and authorities that enrich
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and empower themselves that everyone else is, expands and let's say no authority, morally and ethically, actually belongs to every single person. and that's the kind of world we should be constructing as muslims, and with people of other faiths or, or no faith. so in that size, we have her in your work and, and how you took about islam is how much you respect women, how important they are in the muslim phase. and you place the cream right as a feminist. so into breathing, thomas, you rethink the stories of some key women in is all who story seem to papers pushed to the background. what do you think? how you always think about this? what did you think it was like? has to leave your baby in the desert and go look for so i'm just thinking about it . know, from the mads perspective, but from the woman's perspective, that is quite radical. questioning the whole way is um,
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is framed for the patriarchal perspective and making it more feminist. yeah, it's, and it's something that, and i suppose, beautifully enough. and fittingly enough, in the time since the book was finished and i went into publication, i got married and became a step father. and there's 3 kids in my life. a to home are our teenage girls, and it becomes apparent to me in a very intense and visceral way on a daily basis. what are the ways in which we exclude and include people and when we say we want every single person in our community to feel like they have a stake in the community? does that include everyone regardless of how they identify? again, gender, obviously, as you you pointed out, is, is immensely significant in terms of how much some communities organize themselves and include an exclude people. but not only that race, class, ethnicity, world view as an issue, all those sort of things. and so one of my hopes that this book is yes,
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let's look at the stories from those perspectives. but let's encourage everyone to try to look at stories and see themselves in the different actors and narratives in those stories so that we find a more meaning. and more applicability and more relevance. no story is not just in terms of what happened 1400 years ago, which of course is very important. but terms of what's happening right now. how did the story speak to us? what did they mean for us in our future? i mean, would you like telling us one of those stories just briefly because i did a very in elegance summary, but i was drawing into thinking about this is classic as long as with where the face cross actually do days and is um and christianity. so there are lots of like how it does, i already knew. but you rethink the story from a female perspective. give us an example. so the story that you alluded to, i think is a perfect one hagar who's the wife of abraham. and abraham, of course, is that the sort of the founding figure of judaism christianity and islam, and he's pretty well known among those faith traditions, but hey,
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garner also lives. and one of the most famous stories and formative stories in the summer tradition is that hagar is abandoned by abraham with their infant son is male, or is mario an airbag, uh, pc upon them all. and she's left in the valley that later becomes mac. uh, with basically no food, no shelter, no resources of any kind. and, and essentially because god believes that she is up to the task of handling this moment. and i found 2 things particularly poignant and beautiful by that story. the 1st is that the really bad shafter the founding story of islam begins with abraham leaving, and hate or having responsibility for ishmael and for what happens next then. and not only making sure that they're rescued, but making sure that a civilization grows up around them. that incubate them and protects them and honors their value. and so she goes from a person who's, you know, very much on the margins to a person is basically deciding that they of a civilization. and the final part of the story that i found particularly beautiful
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is that actually hagar is buried outside the car about which is the black cubicle shrine. wilson's prey to whereas, which is at the center of the great mosque and mecca, which probably many of people and seen when, when, for example, you see video clips of the hives pilgrimage, so on and so forth. she's actually buried there. and i thought that story was so beautiful because when i was growing up, we were often told or, or saw around us, women are not allowed in cemeteries ref, funerals for various patriarchal reasons on and so forth. and they were entirely excluded from probably, you know, one of the most meaningful moments in any person's life, almost painful, but, but meaningful moments at any person's life. and yet here in america, at the heart of islam, at the very feet of, of every single problem in columns, we're talking about millions and millions of people is buried, hagar and ishmael. and that i think is such a powerful vision of the story of islam going from 2 people alone. and it does are 2 millions and millions and millions of people inspired by their journey and
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motivated by their phase and trying to retrace their footsteps time and time again . as we've got in touch with lee. and he has a question for you. this is what he sent to us a few hours ago whose book i really enjoyed. it is part of the growing body of literature from motions in america discussing the most inexperience, particularly the 2nd generation coming of age to it was touching, it was authentic. it was honest, and i recommend this book particularly high, was authentic in the struggles of religion in family, which is something people need to open up about. so the question i have is for hiring is did you write this would be opening up to dialogue, promotions in the west to discuss family issues. instruct logistics. well
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1st of all, is that it's really nice hearing from home or, and one of the, one of the things i love most about is writing, among many things, is that he's honest and fearless. and he just says exactly what needs to be said and maybe makes people uncomfortable that were much better off for the fact that we have people like him in our communities were willing to challenge us on our receive stereotypes. and i don't think he's exactly right. i, i feel like in my own life, i made a lot of mistakes and i struggled with a lot of received wisdom about phase and about my own role as, as a man, as a muslim, as a community leader, as a religious authority in some ways. and never really was able to figure that out because there weren't really enough resources and spaces where people talk about stuff like that. so my hope is, yeah, let's have some, some difficult conversations. and if you believe something is true and beautiful and valuable, then people will come back to it. maybe not in the way that i did it or that my parents did it, but they will come back to it. they will find inspiration in it. because ultimately,
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these are the stories that nurture us and, and inspire us and connect us. and if we have space to have those conversations, we also take away one of the greatest challenges that young people are face to face, which is sometimes they feel like their challenges are so unique. but there's something wrong with that that, that it simply can't be possible that anyone else might share the same doubts or frustrations that they share and, and if you and have it that kind of place internally, it's really psychologically damaging and devastating. and if instead you see like a actually, you know, a lot of people are struggling with this. then, you know, you realize you're just a human being and maybe i, if i could write another book, it's, you know, you're a person, not a robot, right? we're not, we're not designed to simply inhabit a religious of routine and do everything right. every single step of the way you can just asked me about this month of ramadan and how many ways i saw a lot on my face. and i'm sure how anyways, here, let's count the ways. oh i if, if i can be honest here, so the most of us will immediately understand this, but last night was the 27th and night and it was many muslims, especially sunday,
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most homes consider the most sacred night, not only from a dog, but at the entire year, it's called the night of power, and i was actually traveling, promoting the boat the last few days and didn't go to the mosque where i was where i was based the last few days because i wanted to get my rest. and i wanted to make sure i could spend the whole night at the mosque and you know, among the many things that went wrong, i mean one was actually just absolutely comic that i finally made a note to the mosque far later than i wanted to get there and i, i entered the prayer and there's a special supplication that's at the end of, of the way, prayer services where the mom and the whole congregation. we really just opened up our, our, our heart and soul and just beg god for forgiveness. and for all the things we need and we want, and i'm sitting there and i'm in the middle of this incredible moment. and then one, the microphone goes off and no one can hear anything anymore. and nobody knows what to do because we're all frozen in prayer. yeah. and i'm like, well this is not what i expected. and then out of nowhere because this is how my brain works. i was like, wait, did i do with do like, did i do my absolution before i got here? like is my prayer even valid?
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and there's probably 700 people here and there's probably 50 people in line to get to the bathroom. so does that mean my prayer doesn't count, and i mean that's basically my 27th night was spent in like 100 factor for the realize that's life, right? just yeah. at different times in your life, you're a different places and there's different realities, and that's the messiness and beauty effect of picking up on the messiness of face you russell and you share some of the, the biggest most controversial hot topics in as i'm rich, donating caustic is lemme then try to make it work for contemporary as um, well human sexuality, slavery weiss, one of my favorite chapters in your book is called adam and eve eve, an e n. a. i lost a lot. but i know where you were the garden, was that how people reacting to you taking some of the ac is topics in islam. i'm trying to make the make sense in 2022 people liking it or pushing back.
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well, one of the most interesting responses i got was someone who read the book and concluded that i had come down hard on conservative positions on his mom and sexuality. when i saw that i actually attempted a very nuanced balance attempt to saying, look, there are different ways of looking at these issues. and as the world moves into the 21st century and, and progressive ideas become more common and, and proliferate across most of the space is what we really need to do is come to terms with the fact that we will have different interpretations. and we have to learn how to co exist with those different interpretations. i tried very hard to be respectful of the immense sensitivities involved and the immense complexities involved. and i, i think i was so successful that i basically argued myself into both positions in the minds of many readers who i think sometimes he will see what they want to see.
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what i'm trying to say instead is that actually the most important thing, most of us can do, is be honest about what their text do and do not say. so. the fact is yes, an early as nomic history muslims did practice slavery, although, as i argue, their understanding of what it was supposed to be was a radical revision of how the institution had been understood. of course overtime, tragically, in an exclusively that revision was entirely lost and the institution not only re surface, became even more violent and of, you know, and more of an enormity. and so that was a failure on the part of last year when it comes to sexuality, i think, in, in the last few decades, most of them communities have seen themselves in many respects, moving in a different direction from a lot of mainstream western society as well. as other occurrence and other cultures across the world. and that's going to present a major challenge and i don't have a solution to that. because the problem, as i laid out is, is that on the one hand we are dealing with people's most intense needs,
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basic human needs for intimacy, companionship and partnership as they understand it and desire it. and on the other hand, at the heart of the most them tradition is this idea that god and the prophet muhammad peace be upon him, define what it is and is not acceptable morally within, you know, where there is space for interpretation and re interpretation. and so on and so forth, but broadly speaking that's what it is. and if you challenge that, you're not just challenging a specific issue. you're, you're basically saying that the founding principle of islam is no longer an operation. yes. and, and what you're doing is, or d, stabilizing the entire phase. now, is it possible that someone may find a way out of that conundrum? certainly, i don't think i'm that intelligent that i have imagined every single possible interpretation or approach to an issue. what i'm trying to do is lay out the stakes in the spirit, ultimately of saying if we understand how intense the emotions and commitments involved are, we can at the very least respond to each other with sensitivity,
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with respect, with dignity. and this is another reason why in the book over and over again i say that we need political secularism, not cultural secularism or political cycle. we cannot impose interpretations of faith on people who don't share those interpretations. we can create room for different interpretations and we can acknowledge that we want to always agree. but we certainly should never allow ourselves to be in a position where we are circumscribed in people's life choices. because they don't accord with how we understand faith. hello, have a look at my laptop. say what's on it? a homeless couple only anyway, right now. oh kid. okay. i feel like this is appropriate for the tone of your book because you go deep, you goes areas to into a classic as well. you're doing analysis your understanding the text of the koran and then up pups popular culture. explain. explain what is going on. you know the 1st thing when when you brought up eric and sky walker, the future darth vader, i was just jealous of his hair. that's a,
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that's his. i nodded back the different violators pretty good, but his hair is definitely got my hair be put what. what i really wanted to do is i've been fascinated by this fact that we've in american culture and, and probably around the world. we found zeros and, and super heroes and comic book characters and science fiction. so compelling. and i think it's because actually a bottom and this is a very, i think, a very universalist reading of a religion. but i think it emerges from something consistent with this law. at the end of the day, if i believe that every single human being was defended from adam and eve. and i believe that adam and eve were created to be keyless of god. then i have to believe that every human being has the same baseline, internal impulses for a spirituality, for a connection to the divine, for a desire for a meaningful place in the universe. mattress transcends the biological material. and so the star wars on the one hand, maybe to some people just seem silly,
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but i actually think that one of the reasons it's so popular is that it picked up on these, these really deep human impulses at a time when belief in traditional religion was fading and so people are looking for another way to translate their desire for seeing good and evil and heroism and, and solved as an ethics in the world. and i actually argue that in some way as star wars helps us understand the story of adam and even the caliphate. because indic and sky walker, this kind of tragic here over, goes from the promised chosen one into the putting me of darkness embodied and then has a 1st spoiler alert. but i'm sure everyone already knows i and the find some kind of redemption in the last moments of his life is new. we're going to say or is that your words or i wrote the series, but george lucas did to. and with those pretty close on the 7, get her reinstall thing now because we will have to have a whole side of it. so what happens install was one of my favorite nines from, from your book was the most dangerous. the floors often stopped out as the most
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promising jet. i, if you know, start was that will make a lot of sense to you. one more, one more comment for you and this is from a side has same and simple question. once the opposite here is most of the writing so far had been autobiographical memoirs. so what's next for you? what's your vision for your next book? your next piece. as i was at mount holyoke college yesterday and i was giving a presentation at an a star dinner. it's the dinner that the meal that most of the eat when they break their fast, immediately after sundown or shortly after sundown. depending on the type of most i'm and i mean decent presentation not bad considering i bought 700 miles of air travel under my belt and i was pretty dehydrated and tired and. and then it came time to q and a and, and a woman in the back. and i can't remember her name. she raised her head. it's a great question. she said, when things are tough, what gives you hope? and i don't know if this is a book project per se, but i do think there's some things there. what are ideas and stories and
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believes and, and commitments that give people strength and tough time. because i do think that, of course, on an individual level, we all go through really, really, really difficult times, but on a collective level, we, as a species are facing some enormous challenges from across the pandemic. which, you know, is, is very much with us in many places of the world to the terrible reality of climate change, racism violence. we've got war and ukraine that threatens to spill out of there. and, and how do we keep ourselves going in such a way that we can commit to tackling the really tough stuff without losing faith in each other and in our cells. and, and i would like to explore most of the answers to those questions, not because other answers don't matter, but because those are answers that i think we don't hear enough of. and i certainly don't take lessons here and it sounds like you've got that book ready ready to go. let me show you where you can see her in this current book and also follow him
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online on facebook at sea. bringing tallies by her roommate. cool. and soft title here is a vision of a muslim future. so we mobile always a pleasure having you on the street. many thanks for joining us today. take care the, the, the, [000:00:00;00]
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