on this lauren ground who are pursuing this attack because into the national talk in the democratic republic of congo, we're being told some of the students have been abducted. so the military is no use the help up to a to look for this a talk cuz no, we have also been told that to some of this duties well, uh, killed by a boom that was detonated by the attack. cuz as they left, the schools and other students were hacked to death. a. so we have also had a, from some of the students from say that they had to hide under the bodies, either had to hide under, you know, bed just to save themselves the,

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climate crisis intensifies, they are demanding a worker from we just transition away from fossil fuel based economies that you ins . international labor organization will discuss ways to achieve adjust transition in its annual conference next week. the aisles, global coordinator for green jobs explains what that term means. just transition means promoting environment to be sustainable economies. you know, way that is fair and inclusive to everyone concert. what, cuz and surprise these communities. it implies maximizing the social and economic opportunities of climate and environments to action while minimizing and carefully managing any challenges. just transition motus for all countries. full levels of development. it is important for both economic sectors, informal,

as well as the form of the economy in europe and rural areas, a lot. joining our conversation today from johannesburg. n as in body is secretary, the national shop stewards council at s. com, south africa's energy utility. he's also a commissioner on the presidential climate change commission. deanna, who get out codio, is director of energy and just transition at industrial, a global labor union federation. she is in geneva, and annabella rosenberg is senior advisor on just transitions at the climate action network. she has years of experience examining environment and labor related issues she is in paris and a you can also be part of today's conversation. please send us your comments and questions for our panel on you to 1st. thank you so much to our guests for joining us. i want to 1st establish what is at stake here. why are we talking about this

today? that i l o says the climate crisis is quickly becoming the greatest threat to workers everywhere. deanna your federation represents tens of thousands of workers across the globe who are the most vulnerable and how are they ferry? the? yeah, the we could say that's a now they, they were to get something. that's what i said. there's something different forefront of this, of disagreement, slight crisis. and that's why we need to take action so soon as possible. and they have many tied in just a said that they don't know a how the future looks like for them. they don't know where to be the new deals that are going to be how those jobs looks like. and if they are going to be, be send jobs. and this is one of the many months how they are going to, to face a this, these, and deals and make them a for all of them. because us and we stuff i would say in the beginning, they are also a going to have a difference. is it?

but everyone is going to be in fact it's no matter where they are. everyone indeed, you know. so what does the threat of climate change look like for a metal or a co worker in south africa? yeah, i mean, this is a very difficult moment for the minutes on with us. because everybody else is probably something that i'm 2nd when it comes to the issue of jumps. and the jumps of it is very important in any front of me like south africa. so the economy, which is a low growth economy. and when you lose that job, you must have an idea to find another job. so the issue of closure of power stations really is problematic because we don't believe that duct transition is supposed to happen at the base which exclude to the other another work industry. so what that meant on webcast, just on fishing,

is not the tasks on through the what, cuz they, it is just, it's really the idea that needs to be tested is the better judgment of the, with us, from ideal to actions, right? that's why we're here today. on about like you have worked in both the labor and the green movements, and i think historically there's been a perception that those 2 things may be at odds, but that doesn't appear to be the case anymore. right? absolutely, and i think this is also the history of the test translational concept. what makes it also very interesting and very powerful for uniting those 2 worlds beside the workers should not be put in a situation where they have to choose between the jobs and their health. or the environment or the safety of their community is due to climate change. because i think of course, very specific challenge in the energy sector and through the industrial sector that i'm sure we are going to be talking about. but i think it's also very important to realize that the challenge of the climate crisis impacts heavy on every single work

around the world. let's think about fire, what fire fight there's for example, right now, fighting terrible bias all around either the culture of the workers whose conditions are becoming impossible due to extreme heat like you need to. we can think also about health workers that are going to be working even tougher conditions because of what climate is generating. i think bodies also the reason why unions internationally and industry all these spots of the so forth have organized to ensure that we are on unions are on the right side of the story. and at the same time, raising the voice for workers in these conversation, which are often not hit. and speaking of raising those voices, there have been more a more pro task than which we see both labor and climate act of this raising their voices together. let's watch this clip from the climate action rally and munich in

march, where we do see those 2 sides joined forces. and she didn't know why so many people in this country are losing their hope at this moment. and they are asking themselves as a politician's cat, get it done, then who? and the answer to this question is easy. we will do it all the time. so if we need a policy change for transport, we need public transport so that we can do something about countering climate change. and i'm really pleased that fridays for future or with us on this, the mob. i think it's important to talk about these protests, but it's also important to talk about examples of when things have worked and deanna. i know you've been paying close attention to developments in europe, including in spain, which i've read is now an example, perhaps a model for other places to follow. can you tell us what's happening there? yeah, in date a, what is happening the spam is that the thanks to the,

to the government, the racing in place right now. they created, they started with the energy low is an energy frame. that's a cool this way. one of the parts is about the adjustment cc on that's and know is so, so about providing an energy frame in the, in the medium and long term. but also i know there's 2 different transparency but also perceive entities for, for investors and to have some ideas about how the future looks like for the, for the country and they know the sector. but the key thing here is about the adjustment cc and these, how this is they believed they created the adjustment. is this your needs to do? that is, is a body that works in a type of thing. blevins. and this is presented by the government of national but also a regional levels employee. here's a present that these, but also the unions would that goes out of there and they have been working together in different plans, different programs that like the close of the coal mines for example, but also the close of that then one of our plans. that's right,

in the spanish government, reaching a deal uh with those mining unions back in 2018 a to support communities through a just transition. now that's a few years ago. have we seen this actually put in practice deanna? yeah, this is already happening, but it is not perfect. it we could say that's we cannot see the perfect just transition plan so far. this is why we are working so hard bets and it's, it's very good is really those to be perfect. the only thing that we can, that we can say is that this program was, was made with anticipation enough to be prepared for that for the future. for okay, when you close the clothing lines or the 10 most of our plans, what is next? because when you were closing, you have the workers there and those workers do have to multiply everything for, for it, because these are the workers have family lives behind. but also they leaving communities, they closing the sobs. so they, there is much more that's that,

that they have around. so the main issue that we could see there is about the, the time. and that's that it was not very welcome to lou. and now they are starting to develop the projects in the, in the renewable energy is to be implemented in those areas. but they, d a is that, that will be done before much earlier. you know, they're 2 half appropriate and it's on ccn and quick for work. it's still a good start. annabella, i think one something that is also quite interesting and just to give the audience a sense of the scale of that example. because i think like we have in spain, i mean these we are talking about 20000 workers roughly affected it in the mean, both coal mining. what remaining of coal mining plus the power plant? i mean, like coal fired power plants, i mean for years they've managed to we gain roughly the amount of jobs that where

else. oh, but i think it's really important to think that when we have thinking about south africa and what we're thinking about colombia when we're thinking about indonesia, places where the energy transition is being discussed. we're talking about a scale that is much bigger than what we are are seeing today in europe. and that is happening in that context where people don't have a safety net. when even the basics of social protection are not secured. and because what, i'm, what uh, brother, you know, with say, like the fee are for job loss is much higher also because people have very little to hold with enough time, a problem 70. and i think it's also important to note these that the correlation between green's and, and bruce or red. so i mean between the environment, the least on on unions is also getting stronger in places where some governments, i know the society here. um, to the months we are seeing these and kind of that, but we're also seeing very interesting progress, for example,

between oil work has and on the environmental movement in columbia, where the government is listening. i'm putting in place on extremely ambitious transition. so. so to say that'd be the landscape of corporation in creating this blue and green alliance is happening. and i would say probably with a bit of a like community on the environmental side. finally, because for a long time, social categories was the little sister of for, for the environment, the least. i think it's because, you know, ford as you're not covered. yeah. i can hear what i can hear what others say, but you know, for me, in south africa, there is a big problem. the big problem that we have is the global law is business one side of glass to close our boss. this is quicker when they themselves, i'm not really show what the transition is bringing up to them. for instance,

i mean, does anybody independent to say about a 120 percent increase in the import your zip code to 0? what is your doing to code and that would that don't want us to do with the code fastly. i think the best thing to do is to answer the question of terms as you honestly and openly. otherwise we have been bullied because people have been telling us to blow speaker when they themselves are finding that post asians using co. i'm not unless somebody would say to me and they are producing ice cream with this quote. but i am the power in the power stations, then we have a good as well as the debates of the day. you'll be able to ask when selling us to, to power stations so that they can, they can uh and try to give us money. defense our depths crisis. williams, the i checked the status because we was looking at the

device you which is 7 to 1.0 percent. this is a comfortable with this morning. what's the group with young people at 6 the present moment. i'm 60 percent unemployed and so in the when, when do just that obviously you by borrowing money from the global know we are below is that because the club is supposed to be paying for the damage they close to the claimant, not to give us loans, but give us the drum drum but it probably makes the comfortable somebody may not carry the burden of dealing with glamour to buy borrowing money. so you know, i'm trying to do another seems to come is the, is the, is a solution here that christ is it the pace then of this transition is that one of the major problems of the not, not all countries are on the same page as far as how quickly this can be done in

a responsible way that protects workers is the pace and displays is not good on my disability. and that is the problem. because i believe just transition. so the southern, the believe that and the phase we kind of thought the phase we can afford talks to a process about just this making so that we don't leave anyone i was making so that we have a good day. all those things i've done at the pace. vegas no way you have it just doesn't mind. it pays for something with all the lights up. yes. yes. deanna. go ahead on team that is only the base i, i agree that the base is escaped, but i am the only thing else. so thing that is about disrupting t and is planning mean that the funds and thinking about these, how do you want it? i mean, you have to, you have to tell them you need to raise their voice and tell them what do have to say because we then union what it does have to be at the table. and that's the key

of all these fantasies here. so you need to make a living the plan, the structure, think doing living with them. um, and the internet i know is doing that was when doing that, euro and the other company was gonna give enough money that pressing buttons that, that, that, that's what mines to speed that is based kind of what the problem is. and you know, i understand what you're saying in new york, maybe things are happening quite cool. but inside the garden, particularly, we know that we don't have to solve the reason, just the repetition. they are hands on over the show on over the money that are good, a given to us. those pays been that doesn't mind. noted by our sense, the international monetary fund, honestly and then the issue of, of, of, of, of coupling that brought us. yeah. you know, is, i know things are that you the bills imposition of products on our product. of course you're pushing us, you're giving us speed. that is not in our ability,

that part of the problem. that portion is coming from a global agencies, including the international monetary fund and annabella, i wanted to bring you back in because there was a report written by the i am math and released last year and pulling it up here on my computer. it has a, a, it has a pretty convincing title, getting on track to net 0, accelerating a global, just transition in the static decade. unable to give us a critique. so those are main critique of that report is that it only makes it is trustworthy sitting, behaving um which shows the problem be certain uh that sometimes we, we have, you know, a blow by about 30 days in a year. and he knows and anger about who's making decisions about the test transition. i'm which words are we using? need sometimes feel like a concept that has been so beer for the labor movement that is being embraced by,

by the climate test. these movement now is being diluted in a bunch of times, you know, balance of reports that we, that are really talking to that i'm be sure, and this is as much what is happening with the test manager to see some partnerships that he knows he's talking about initially, a very interesting idea that for one's the global not would be supporting emerging economies on developing countries in getting out of industries that need to be transformed. that will create that good create jobs. but we are not seeing any job until now. everything that has happened in south africa with the tests and the transition partnerships have been conversations about the various ation of the electricity markets in south africa. and thought it was not the deal that was not what we want to just transition to be used for. and i think it's, again, we are coming here and i know we were staying at the beginning. we on world examples. fucked. is that real world examples are very few because they live in

a foundation of government right now is below. and of course, that are my best of dependency between north and south. but i think also as a solid and city says, we also need to call out our own governments for the lack of vision under like a foundation on the direction they want to give to our countries. we cannot continue in a box of dependency and extractive ism, which is what call on all i mean their dollars are giving us. i mean 30 will have they are giving us jobs indeed. mm hm. but those are not necessarily what the next generations need. they need new was done at these they need new opportunities. so there is a lot of hypo chrissy in the air and i absolutely agree with that. there is a lot of leadership. i'm glad we're nice thing about this. yeah. and i think this will also be discussed next week when the aisle, oh, meets deanna. i know you will be there in person. how. what do you think actionable?

what kind of actionable things may come out of this meeting to build upon the words that have been tossed around? yeah, i think that after 10 years is, is the moment that we are all expecting just to make these just transition real. us emails was mentioned in this is not happening and this is going in and very different, different phases and what we are a split it team is to get complete absence. one of them could be, they've been open a just trying to see, see on the plans that can be done. i to region 11 us and the company level. but we need to see those plans, those the strategies in place. but we also need to see the money where the money is coming from and where it is going to because it all, this is also about money about fine. i'm seeing these trends season because these are these. we have a cost who is going to pay, that's what we can not. a roommate is that's what it is. they, they these transition these. this is totally unfair. and this is what say,

what's we can not today what we cannot do a nose. yeah. or your brothers or the wordpress ultimate advantage of being sacrificed on the verge of being stuck with a 5. because the big problem moved into the truck to come and pick magic between the power station. it's a point that we come to the federal where we're kinda, we're just moved to another power station, which means more and more of the process has been closed. when people are moved to as opposed stations. we will be writing a business case for the placements and the gardens better, better skills. we cannot to talk to them about to we we should the clearly parkway is that a prep to come in for my to and also they should be a planning of the coming of the places where the dis, investments i have and we can do the himself up to the by the way,

that was the name of the the, the economy, the people in the form i didn't know anything, but once they've been in the webcast, didn't even know what was happening. when do know the few people would say it was supposed to know, but you know, when the company's advertising people from one position to another, it does have a problem because it is a writing. business pays for them to be replaced. what the other boss patients, would it become or by studies in a matter, you know, the image, it can be the problems here. is it that global sound voices are not speaking loud enough? or is it that the global north isn't listening more, but the number of, i mean the idea of the month giving us loans, it's a problem. they need to do it by the agent, but they must allow us to the right, the type of fish and then listening. i'm not, i mean, i've spoken to several invoices from different a compass. i mean,

i'm not sure whether they even listen to us. we keep on the same thing that you are responsible for the method that makes the clement you're not supposed to be given loans you're supposed to be. they probably think you're supposed to include that in front aspect of the 5 minutes of the government and that needs to mitigate the adapt window needs to get into that because of how much they come in. the climate people develop companies dominates the climate monthly. the basic and customer lives and now they need to give up the money so that we may be able to mitigate and adapt. but in this speed and the phase we have a full yeah. unfortunately, our time is almost coming to a close annabel. i want to go to come to you because you've said stubborn optimism

. that's a term that has united labor in green movements. what do you mean by that? or i guess what i want to mean with that is that we know the trustees and he's going to happen. we don't know if he's going to be just because just is, is only a result of mobilization and a power struggle. i'm a here absolutely. all the frustration, but i think this is also a moment for raising together with the minds with that strategy and pushing both north and south in the leaving for workers on communities. i mean like there is still everything to be built about climate strategies. this is only the beginning, and if there's one thing i learned in my 15 years working with the trade union movement, that is not only important to know when you, when. but the most important thing is to know when you are losing, to keep fighting for winning. and i think that the level of stopping optimism is set up and the one that the environment i check these groups would learn a lot from. yeah. so, so because we have a message telling, telling you,

thank you so much of all of the station. thank you so much and your message to not give up, but also to listen closely to task conversations. those are both important. thank you so much to all of our guests and that is all for today. but you can always find us online at streaming dot alpha 0 dot com. thanks for joining us for this important conversation. the the,

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