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hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much enjoying some of the world's most pressing issues are often decided by the leaders of a few wealthy nations. for far too long input from africa and other places in the global south have been limited or even disregarded. but there's now a push for them to change specifically within the g 20 block. as india prepares to host the summit this year, a prime minister and a rendered moody is calling for the african union to be given full and permanent membership. but why now? what political and economic interests are at stake. we'll explore these issues with, i guess in a moment. but 1st this report from katya lopez. other young cindy is leader is set to host his 1st g 20 meeting on home soil. and now prime minister in a render moody is also pushing for another 1st, he's calling for the african union and all his 55 member states to join the g 20. the proposal. it isn't new for the scanning traction among some governments.

presidential fight and openly supported the move during last year's the us african liter summit in washington. africa belongs to the table in every room in every room. we're global challenges are being discussed. i'm also calling for the african union to join the j 20. as a permanent member that each one on many fronts, some analysts say a u. membership is long overdue. many of the issues discussed by d. 20 leaders, including food security, climate change, and trade directly affect african nations. yet south africa is the only member from the continent. africa's role on the international stage is also growing. most recently 7 african nations let us delegation to keep in moscow to mediate a peace deal in the conflict. and we do believe that this is

the time for both parties to negotiate, to negotiate an end to this war. the course, this war is costing a great deal of instability and hum to various countries around the world. and we, as african countries are feeling the impact of this will for years now, china and russia have focused heavily on africa. some analysts believe other nations are just now recognizing the strategic and economic value of the region. but there's still a long road ahead before the african, the union gets full membership. there's discussions and requirements that must be met, but finding agreement and concessions among such a huge and diverse blog. may pose a challenge, katia, a little bit so the again, for insights story. all right,

let's go ahead and bring in our guests in london on your coffee, one bu co executive director of the african foundation for development in chapel hill, north carolina. i know should chary professor of economics and finance at the university of north carolina at chapel hill and in st. island, switzerland. guido kautz the professor of macroeconomics at the university of sank along a warm welcome to wall. and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story. i know. sure. let me start with you today. what are indian prime minister and arrange remote is motivations for calling for the a you to be given membership to the g 20 and why? now it's that as well. so this is an incredibly crucial juncture in terms of engagement with africa. and as you know, india as just as young the presidency of the g 20 g, given that africa is going to have the largest population by 2050. and as the

largest democracy in the world and the fastest growing economy in years g, 20 presidency will play a crucial role in building a strong and sustainable relationship with for gosh, so this in my, you is a critical juncture in building this relationship with india as the head of the g 20 and with the us as well as erupt in union in partnership with building a better building, better for africa on your talk to you. what would this potential membership of the african union in the g 20 mean for the african continent? the um, the, to the store and um, the faster we didn't get approved for the national, the agenda for engineer. as always, i mean, every country is a cell survey to serve next steps and look at alternatives. interested. it was

a degree of self interest and aspect, and it has also been absolutely committed to push an african extra screen. remember. busy the store what support against a project in south africa. so, and it's always been a good friend of the continent. what does it mean for. busy i think they, when they use their, i think, well we're pushing towards the more africans been cooling. busy and the number of these global institutions is present levels of governance of. busy representation, so this will be a step in that direction, as has been mentioned that because you know the 23rd the will be probably the most popular. so, continental, not in the world, and by the end for century, you know, for teachers, or if i have to start to the nation,

will be africa africans. or if you're going to be solving global problems, which is what the small rooms are trying to do, right? busy now including the lowest cost. busy will be friendship needs or 2 to 4, but the same thing. busy for century are. busy the nation of the globe, and i'm not quite sure what the problem. yes. so they go see on the representation over for a when virginia 20 meters of african perspectives. uh a new sure. i saw you reacting quite a lot to what on your tuchee was sitting there and it looked like you wanted to jump in. so go ahead. yes, sure, absolutely. i just want to echo everything that debris meant. it was everything that has just been set. and i have for long how this believes that in order to implement reforms in order to promote growth and development, investment and trade, it's important get how the voices of the countries that are impacted by these

policies. the given a seat of the table. so we know historically a lot of these policies bought need in washington with the international institutions, but with africa, particularly not having a voice and a seat at the table. and i think that in the spirit of, you know, demonstrate high seeing the reform process as well. as in the spirit, just been community and i think it's incredibly important to bring the a you on board with the g 20 a guido. i also saw your reacting just now, so i'll let you jump in. but i also want to ask you, um, what are the economic and political interest at stake and all of this, it was a comic into say is about the future. because the optic at the moment, the off we got share of g b is not the high. however, i, it's important to, to, to remind that i like because you're upon like china, likely united states. and also like in the child,

offer just population is very young. uh 50 percent of its population is below the age of 19. so the median age is 19 india, which is pretty young guys. it would be $29.00. try not 3990 your but we are all uh about about to 40. so the future, is there gonna be consequences of this younger population? a with a young guy. uh. but then shell enter burners. uh and and labor force. i already mens had jump. what is the goal? is super important to it's close to europe is in the center. the total population is comparable to that of china and india bought it with grow as was mentioned. uh so uh it would be met and so now it says that the g kelly that are, you know, this is at the moment, these were the, the, the contest between the u. china and the, and the usa. uh, you know, it is economically uh, very up to glue to let me also ask you,

um if the g 20 doesn't have adequate representation from africa going forward? how much does it impact the twenty's credibility? and yeah, if it doesn't to, i mean at the moment it has so soft rica. however, this doesn't represent the whole continental south. it is important to, to have a more unified view there. otherwise, it wouldn't be the view, but the view or why accounts are so this would be very important, for example, for the relationships with the europe, which is, you know, across the many, duran. and there are lots of political issues and migration issues to be solved. the, you know, a, the, to develop and from europe, but as documented the, to march on. it's time also for europe to wake up. and to do notice that there is out, we get there, that there are problems of this young population must be helped to, to, to grow and brought some in a positive the way rather than just the bonded to, you know, china versus the united states. uh and complex and you know,

uh for the insecurity and so on. on your kaci, you heard guido there, it talked about the fact that south africa is currently the only member from the continent of g 20. why is that the case? the frontier rows of the and the, you know, during the financial crisis or in 2008 and it's, it was clear about the, just the, there's not on the adequate to the with the issues of, you know, it needed the. ringback response, i don't think there was a chance to bring in over the players. i mean, it was ridiculous or you know, china, which about stage of the 2nd largest economy result in the g 7 search. it was kind of, you know, the old orange had been in existence or the last 40 years and years in a row. i'm sure there was a chance to um,

bring it over cheapest to believe they know. busy after and, you know, for a lot of reasons, i think your research or not so i think is not in the top 20 economies or the in the well, even in africa or my journey economies big. oh, i'm so that's a good one. so for the time, for lots of complicated reasons, set africa or, you know, we're styled, to be the best representative of the continent. and as the research. busy it has sometimes found the challenges or the push its own insurance at the bottom of the hospital, the whole confidence which is. busy it took all the neighbors fastened energy to do so i use the. busy you know, there is a collective agenda around the african visions, the picture is 2063 agend barely interested and shuffled by everybody on the

continent. there is no very different session of the free trade area. lots of other things. they, you know, responsibility attributes for nothing. different it was so it's not just trying to do it by actual childcare. do that's by, that's fine to then act on behalf of the company. it's really important to, you know, move this big for a on your own. your gotcha, i'm sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you, but, but i just want to, i want to go, i want to go to a new should be cut because i'll let you. i'll let you finish up on a 2nd, but understood. i saw you nodding along to a lot of what the on your coffee was sitting there and i wanted to give you a chance to jump in as well. sure, i think i, i, i think that we have to think about this demographic dividend aspect. there's going to hop as a cartoon, and there's also a source of polluting supply of labor. so to deliver growth in africa,

what we're going to need is some serious investment in infrastructure, such as the electricity bridge road sports, railways, etc. as well as implementing appropriate governance structures to use that infrastructure efficiently. and this is going to be incredibly important to have a use be a part of the g 20 so that they can be part of the conversation that could potentially drive this very high economic growth in africa. and as, as you all know, this is the most reliable way to reduce debt purging, an increase in energy security in africa. so once again, i think it's really important that you have some debt the tabor, guido, how much will the african unions inclusion potentially in the g 20 boost. the g twenty's, global coverage a while it treated of course, you know,

for geographic reasons for a demographic reasons. and for the problem he saw a future good. i was at the same time by the union and of course the, you know, it's already, it's already the car has the viewer expressed as a view of the continent about that a set of categories there with different objectives i and now so i trying to reach consensus in my, in my, in a such a largest set account that is, may, may be difficult so you know, way it will and presumably be able to convey the minimum common denominator of the african continent. but still it gives, it gives a, um g 20 a more of a t r a d, you know, more represent that even is so it, with the moderates probably approach about still extremely useful. i also useful for africa in the union to try to better compromise different these sensors and

reach common objectives internationally for a, you know, the international trade, for example, acquired your body to explore sanction cents on a, on your catchy, certainly this idea of potentially having the a you join the g 20 is not new in the run up to the g. 20 summit in bali last year . you had indonesia publicly calling for representation by the you. during that summit, you also had french president manuel my crohn as saying the parents supported the integration of a you into the g 20 and trying to repeatedly over the past year has said that they support this idea. but the bali declaration of the end of the last time it didn't mention the proposal. why is that? well, i'm not sure. i'm either the reason for that, but serious brand, there's been lots are hold around the bridge. there's been much more of

a movement drawers about 2 blocks. the printer is the center of alter insurance from different. busy busy level centers now wanted the applicant and support. so you know what we see, there's a sure globally in terms of, you know, african bridge. i mean, oh, the need for african sort of support. it's becoming much more important. so i think this has moved right to the agenda as far as that's concerned. but the point that was going to make the wrong just very quickly was of, you know, you know, the international for, you know, they, you know, major european cost for isn't the west uh, dominate them. but as individual countries for me to use 0 is also represented of this far away, the g 7, the g 20 insurance per box. and the kind would also be the case that largest

applicants are union. but other regional bodies also be given, you know, next year and then those are nation america. we also have the advantage to have that kind of a feature of the table if we're genuinely interested in solving these level problems. a new show at the end of last year. you also had us present a joe biden calling for the a you to become a permanent member of the g 20. um, when it comes to all this was that one of the big breakthroughs when it comes to pushing the idea farther. absolutely, and i think that this commitment that you was talking about as colors and across the us, european union countries like india, et cetera. sort of recognizing the importance of pushing, putting their weight, we find out that and seeing the opportunity and the market is right for

creating share of across parity. so and the g 20 is really a natural form to discuss these issues and how various countries other than china adventures being practicing credit journey, mending in africa, and tests or practice this debt track diplomacy. i think there's an opportunity for these other countries via the g 24 to partner with africa to deliver high return climate friendly prosperity via projects that are also a high priority for the african union. in addition to social, such as a social sector investment such as an education house, guido, what has to happen for this to become a reality for the african union to become a permanent member of the g. 20. how complicated is this process? what this part of this could be, it could be if i see the day that's by,

by the police the call waiting. i mean, what myers is the funny thing on the way to, and of course the united states is in favor in the i as in favor, china is in favor then. you know, i, i would say i would not dwell on the technical problems. our little guy, the problem is you guys seem to be politically what is there that it to, it happens um, you know, so i see may be a problem with the not the african union because as well as the rivalry said that the european union is there but also france that you tell me the, you know, the outcome 3 says. and so i, it would be nature or at some point that big companies like united julia, for example, by age if there are others, i'm know, get the increasingly involved in the future. so at the moment i would see no major problem, it's a, it's a process of extending the representation of offering game digit warranty, which is absolutely long overdue on the other side. also, it is

a way to get out. we got more whereas the so more friendly with the united states and the west because the g 20 of the moment, the majorities bro, uh, united states of course that is also a restaurant china dish. but so yeah, if, if there is a will in this section, i think uh, it may not be too difficult on your kaci. uh, you heard the grid or they're talking about um, from his point of view that there has to be a political will for, for this to happen from your vantage point. is there a political will right now and also from your vantage point? how long do you think this this might take? because it does look like there's still could be a quite a long road ahead before they asked and union could get full membership, right? the multiple listing was purely for the reasons that i gave them before. busy is a great deal of global competition. my company cash or you know,

reference that there'd be a wrong china or hazards ideas about publish it. or if it comes in a rush or increase and be over a year of vertical level in a year ago. underneath the road, west of america and you're sure was trying to get some is the agent being called to agent. so that's are uh, you know, complicated and complex reasons, resources, understand the demographics in terms of the population. and those are, you know, just the intro, an increase in voltage and products, of course, and banking in fact, that expensive offensive. and so, so i, i suspect you will have to watch real quickly, i'll be able to reason the feasible for the vision that now. so many of the 4 that are coming. busy there's now the brakes task, which is also making, you know, reaching out to include all african countries. and so i think the g 7, well,

if it doesn't want to miss the insurance, will probably more quickly. i knew she had looked at me like you were agreeing with . what on the katya was saying, i do. you also think that it might not take as long as some people fear that it will? yes. because the symbiotic relationship between africa and the rest of the world is become so apparent in terms of, you know, just going back to the population issues. if the world is not being able to partner with africa and deliver roles in africa. what we're going to see is increasing the higher levels of employment amongst this youth. and that's going to have a direct bearing on 2 countries in europe and perhaps the united states in terms of population migration and accidents out of africa. so, you know,

there's also in the interest of the us and you're just how develop africa and the sustainable climate friendly ways such that these youth, when they come into the labor worst good and employment opportunities as you know. and so interest was mentioned before, and i do think that in terms of providing capital, this is a great opportunity for private and public capital from the west to invest in africa to do with revenue, share prosperity. guido, from your vantage point, how challenging might it be to find agreement and concessions among such a, such a huge and diverse blog going forward? it is charlene jane. great is also challenging. got to reach agreement that within the african union itself. however, this process, this type of them are the process saves the new the new uh, new feature. uh, good position now because good position from an economic point of view as low down

what it does become clear that they were, you know, the type of them of the issues. the solve a 3 is complex and your body the expense. ok. so now the new, the new phase of globalization has to come through these exercise out. they blown my seat and i agreements uh, put in the political will to do that. so i am, yeah, it is a, it is a totally premises that are also for the security issues involved the word and you're agreeing sanctions and so on with the reasons as expressed is you know, this is the way to go on your kaci. we only have a couple of minutes left. i see you want to jump in, but i also want to ask you one final question. how much would this amplify advocates voice on the international stage where it to become a reality? i think the in the person in this way, we ship the surface recognize the nature. so there's problems and these things sending out. so you know,

the signal for the last 2 years since when it didn't have vaccines on was that monitor himself. he knows how to solve this problem, self service, muscle discussions, and tell me about how to do that. now, with the big process, it doesn't have to so that i'm the thing to do. so yeah, we're, you know, we found that it's a picture of china because you che, i forgot us. and you know, 5200 different presidents built on a black start digital office of breast and still on a plane. i'm going to to meet china and you know, the u. s. and this year, the consent no century off. it's in union. there's no longer necessary for us to have a place to go to the dental vision or wherever we is. you know, we have an african union, we laptop cheese projector, she is, you know, 26 and 3 times when we're working towards a common thing. but the system now proved to be one of the, you know, we have the continental free trade that we're doing. so this idea of, of,

so there's not able to build consensus, i think is the house for you. we move beyond the, the continental. so, no, so the trust direction of, you know, the bathroom, you know, to explain something, you know, what to do. magic testified the consensus. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all our guest on your katya. wonderful. i know she chary and guido khaki and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, algebra. com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is as a inside story. for me, from a gentleman, the whole team here. bye for now, the

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