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where is the western agenda heading? that's the g 7. really even matter anymore. who's more electable? joe biden, or donald trump or jeremy, was in the media undermining our society. can americans cross their supreme court is not corrupt. the quizzical look us politics often line the welcome to the stream. i'm heidi joe castro for decades. labor unions have been on the front line of efforts to protect and improve worker rights. but as a global climate crisis intensifies, they are demanding a worker friendly. just transition away from fossil fuel based economies, but you ins international labor organization will discuss ways to achieve adjust transition in its annual conference next week. the aisles global coordinator for green jobs explains what that term means. a just transition means

promoting environment to be sustainable economies, you know, way that is fair and includes the to everyone concert. what, cuz and surprise, these communities, it implies maximizing the social and economic opportunities of climate and environment to action while minimizing and care fully managing any challenges. just transition matches for all countries, full levels of development. it is important for both economic sectors, informal, as well as the form of economy in europe and rural areas, a lot. joining our conversation today from johannesburg. n as in body is secretary, the national shop stewards council at s. com, south africa's energy utility. he's also a commissioner on the presidential climate change commission. deanna,

who get out codio, is director of energy and just transition at industrial, a global labor union federation. she is in geneva, and annabella rosenberg is senior advisor on just transitions at the climate action network. she has years of experience examining environment and labor related issues . she is in paris and a you can also be part of today's conversation. please send us your comments and questions for our panel on you to 1st. thank you so much to our guests for joining us. i want to 1st establish what is at stake here. why are we talking about this today? that i l o says the climate crisis is quickly becoming the greatest threat to workers everywhere. dana, your federation represents tens of thousands of workers across the globe who are the most vulnerable and how are they ferry? yeah, the, we could say that's a now they,

they were to get something that's what i said. there's something different for front of these, of describing light crisis. and that's why we need to take action so soon as possible. and they have many tied in just a say that they don't know a how the future looks like for them. they don't know where to be. the new deals have going to be how those jobs looks like. and if they are going to be, be sitting jobs, and this is one of the many months how they are going to, to face a this, this, and deals and make them a for all of them. because us and we stuff i was saying of the beginning, they are also a going to have a difference. is it? but everyone is going to be in fact it's no matter where they are. everyone indeed, you know, see what does the threats of climate change look like for a metal or a co worker in south africa? yeah, i mean, this is a very difficult moment for the minutes on with us. because everybody else is

probably something that i'm 2nd when it comes to the issue of jumps. and the jumps out that is very important in any kind of me like south africa. so the economy, which is a low growth economy. and when you lose that job, you must have an idea to find another job or so the issue of closure of power stations really is problematic. because we don't believe that duct transition is supposed to happen at the base which exclude to the other, not a one car industry. so what that meant on webcast, just on fishing, is not the jobs. on to the one can see, it is just me. it was the man i didn't, that needs to be tested is the better judgment of the, with us, from ideal to actions, right? that's why we're here today on a bell like you have worked in both the labor and the green movements. and i think

historically there's been a perception that those 2 things may be at odds, but that doesn't appear to be the case anymore, right? absolutely, and i think this is also the history of the test translational concept. what makes it also very interesting and very powerful for uniting those 2 worlds beside the workers should not be put in a situation where they have to choose between the jobs and their health or the environment or the safety of their community is due to climate change. because i think of course, very specific challenge in the energy sector and through the industrial sector that i'm sure we are going to be talking about. but i think it's also very important to realize that the challenge of the climate crisis impacts heavy on every single work around the world. let's think about fire, what fire fight there's for example, right now, fighting terrible fires all around either the culture of the workers whose conditions are becoming impossible due to extreme heat like you need to. we can

think also about health workers that are going to be working even tougher conditions because of what climate is generating. i think bodies also the reason why unions internationally and industry i'll is a spot of the say for have organized to ensure that we are on unions are on the right side of history. and at the same time raising the voices for work. as in these conversation, which are often not here. and speaking of raising those voices, there have been more a more pro task than which we see both labor and climate active, this raising their voices together. let's watch this clip from the climate action rally and munich in march, where we do see those 2 sides joined forces and see to know why so many people in this country are losing their hope at this moment. and they are asking themselves as a politician's cat, get it done that who and the answer to this question is easy. we will do it in

the instruction to forecast, we need a policy change for transport. we need public transport so that we can do something about countering climate change. and i'm really pleased that fridays for future or with us on this, the dumpsters i'm of, i think it's important to talk about these protests, but it's also important to talk about examples of when things have worked and deanna. i know you've been paying close attention to developments in europe, including in spain, which i've read is now an example, perhaps a model for other places to follow. can you tell us what's happening there? yeah, and it's a what is happening in the spam is that the, thanks to the, to the government, the racing in place right now. they created this, started with the energy, lo, we've that energy frame. that's a cool this way. one of the parts is about the adjustment season. that's and no is so so about providing energy frame in the, in the medium and long term. but also i know that to give said transparency,

but also possibilities for, for investors and to have some ideas about how the future looks like for the, for the country in the energy sector. but the key thing here is about the adjustment, cc and miss how this is developed. they created the adjustment, is this your needs to do? that is, is a body that works in a type of thing 11 and means every present is by the government of national but also a regional levels. and employers are present that these. but also the union is what it goes out of there. and they have been working together in different plans, different programs that like the close of the coal mines, for example. but also the close little bit that in one of our plans. that's right in the spanish government, reaching a deal. uh, with those mining unions back in 2018 a to support communities through adjust transition. now that's a few years ago. have we seen this actually put in practice deanna or? yeah, this is already happening, but it is not perfect. a,

we could say that we cannot see the perfect just once you see on plans so far. this is why we are working so hard bets and it's, it's very good. it's really those to be perfect. the only thing that we can, that we can see is that this program was it was made with anticipation enough to be prepared for the, for the future, for okay. when you close the coding lines or the 10 most of our plans, what is next? because when you are closing, you have the watkins' there in those water goes and you have to multiply everything for 4, because these are the workers have family lives behind. but also they leaving communities, they closing the sobs so that they, there is much more that's the that they have around. so the main issue that we could see there is about the, the time a that's that it was not very welcome to lou. and now they are starting to develop the projects in the, in the renewable energy is to be implemented in those areas. but they, d a is that,

that will be done before much earlier. you know, they're 2 half appropriate and it's on season and quick for what it gets. still a good start annabella and i think one something that is also quite interesting on, on to give the audience a sense of the scale of that example. because i think like we have in spain, i mean these, we are talking about 20000 workers, roughly affected in the, i mean both coal mining. what remaining of coal mining plus the power plant? i mean, like coal fired power plants, i mean, for years they've managed to, we gain roughly the amount of jobs that were lost. oh, but i think it's really important to think that when we are thinking about south africa, where we're thinking about colombia when we're thinking about indonesia, places where the energy transition is being discussed. we're talking about s k, that is much bigger. that would we are seeing today in europe, and that is happening in that context where people don't have

a safety net. when even the basics of social protection are not secured on because what i'm, what uh, brother, you know, swift say like the feet are for job loss is much higher also because people have very little to hold with enough time of 170. and i think it's also important to note these that the correlation between green's and, and bruce or red. so i mean between environment, the least on, on unions is also getting stronger in places where some governments, i know society here. um, to the months we are seeing the same kind of that, but we're also seeing very interesting progress, for example, between oil work has and i'm the environmental movement in columbia where the government is listening and putting in place on extremely ambitious transition. so . so to say that'd be the landscape of corporation in creating this blue and green alliance is happening. and i would say provide me with a bit of

a like community on the environmental side. finally, because for a long time, social categories was the little sister of for, for the environment, ballast. and i think it's because, you know, ford as you're not, i can hear what i can hear what others say. but, you know, for me, in south africa, there is a big problem. the big problem that we have is the global, know it's business on southern glass to close our post. this is kareka when bathroom says, i'm not really show of what the transition is bringing up to that plane stands. i mean, december the to say about a 120 percent increase in the import your zip code to 0. what is your doing to quoted that with the don't want us to do with the code? firstly, i think the best thing to do is to answer the question of time since you honestly

and openly. otherwise we have been bullied because people have been telling us to close people when they themselves are firing their post asians using co. i'm not unless somebody would say to me, am. they are producing ice cream with this quote. by the end of the power, the power stations, then we have a good, as well as the debate of the day, you'll be able to ask when selling us to close the power stations so that they can, they can uh and try to give us money. depends our debts crisis. what is the guy check the status because we was looking at the did the device you, which is a 7 to 1.0 percent. and this is a condo with this morning. and what's the truth with young people at 6 the present moment was 6, the present i'm employed. and so in the when, when do just that,

i'm to you by blowing money from the global know we are the fast because the global not is supposed to be paying for the damage they close to the claimant, not to give us loans, but give us the gum girlfriend, the probably makes the comfortable somebody may not carry the bidding of dealing with government to buy borrowing money. so he just tried to do memberships to come is the, is the, is a solution here that christ is it the pace then of this transition is that one of the major problem is that the not, not all countries are on the same page as far as how quickly this can be done and a responsible way that protects workers. a yes, this is the base and this page is not good on my. i saw that i only and that is the problem. because we believe just transition. so the southern, the believe that and the phase we kind of thought the phase we can afford talks to

process a lot of just this making so that we don't leave anyone. i was making sure that we're on, but just a bit of job today. all those things i've done at the pace vegas no way you'd have to just that's i'm i'm, it pays for something with the company like sort of yes, yes. deanna. go ahead on team, but it's only the base i i agree that the basis escape, but i don't the only thing else. the thing that is about disruptive and is planning mean that the funds and thinking about these, how do you want it? i mean, do you have to, you have to tell them you need to raise your voice and tell them what do have to say because we, the union and the water does have to be at the table. and that's the key of all these fancy soon. so you need to make and even though the plan, the stresses internally with them, um and the internet wasn't always doing that was when doing that, euro and i have a comfortable instead of giving us money, is that pressing buttons that, that,

that, that's what mines the speed that is based kind of what the problem is and you know, i understand what you're saying in new york. maybe things are happening quite well in south africa, and particularly we know that we've done the silver and live the reason just the repetition. they, i hands on over the show on over the money that are good, a given to us. those pays bring, that doesn't mind noted by our sense, the international monetary fund. uh, for instance, the issue of, of, of, of, of a couple of products. yeah. you know, i know they've been in possession of products on our product. of course, you're pushing us, you know, giving us speed. that is not important to our ability. that part of the problem, that portion is coming from a global agencies, including the international monetary fund. and annabella, i wanted to bring you back in because there was a report written by the i a math and released last year and pulling it up here on

my computer. it has a, a, it has a pretty convincing title, getting on track to net 0, accelerating a global, just transition in the static decade. unable to give us a critique. so those are main critique of that report is that it only measures trustworthy spending behaving um, which shows the level of function uh that sometimes we, we have, you know, a little below 30 days in a year. and he knows in anger about who's making decisions about the test transition and which words are we using need sometimes feel like a concept that has been so beer for the labor movement that is being embraced by the climate test. these movement now is being diluted in a bunch of times in a bunch of reports that don't we, that are not really talking to that. i'm be sure. and this is as much what is happening with the tests and the do try see some partnerships that, you know,

she's talking about initially, a very interesting idea that for one's the global not would be supporting emerging economies on developing countries and getting out of industries that need to be transformed, that will create but good create jobs, but we are not seeing any job until now. everything that has happened in south africa with the tests and the transition partnerships have been conversations about the various ation of the electricity markets in south africa. and thought it was not the deal that was not what we want the just transition to be used for. i think it's again, we are coming here and i know we were staying at the beginning. we of world examples. fucked. is that the real world examples are very few because they live in a foundation of government right now is below. and of course that are my best of dependency between north and south. but i think also as a solid and city says, we also need to call out our own governments for the lack of vision and their local foundation on the direction they want to give to our countries. we cannot continue

in a box of dependency and extractive ism, which is what's called an all, i mean their dollars are giving us, i mean terrible health. they are giving us tools indeed. mm hm. but those are not necessarily what the next generations need. they need, he was done at these they need new opportunities so, but he's a lot of hypo chrissy in the air and i absolutely agree with that. and there is a lot of leadership. i'm glad we're talking about this. yeah. and i think this will also be discuss next week when the aisle, oh, meets deanna. i know you will be there in person. how. what do you think actionable? what kind of actionable things may come out of this meeting to build upon the words that have been tossed around? yeah, i think that of to 10 years is, is the moment that we are all expecting just to make these just transition real us in those was mentioned and this is not happening. and this is going even in very

different, different phases and what we are expect it to him is to get complete absence. one of them could be there been open a justin cc on the plans that can be done. i to region 11 us and the company level, but we need to see those plans. those disrupted these in place. but we also need to see the money where the money is coming from and where it is going to. because it all, this is also about money, about financing this transition, because these are, these will have a cost who is going to pay, that's what we can not a permit is that's what it goes. they the, this one see. so this is totally unfair. and this is what say what we can not today what we cannot do a nose. yeah. or your brothers or the workers are all the advantage of being sacrificed on the verge of being so i could have 5 because they didn't put me in the truck to come and put magic between the power station. it's

a point that we come to the federal where we're kinda, we're just moved to another power station, which means more and more of the process has been closed. when people are moved to as opposed stations. we will be writing a business case for the placements and the gardens better, better skills. we cannot do transition, but we, we said the clearly populations that prepped to come and talk much and also they should be a planning of the community. i don't know the places where the dis, investments i have and we can do the 9th and himself the by the way. they was, they would know what's not the, the, the economy, the people in the market didn't know anything. but once they've been in the webcast, didn't even know what it was. everything went to know the few people would say it was supposed to know. but you know, when to come by, this advertising people from one position to another agent that problem because it

is a writing business, pays for them to be replaced with the other boss patients. would it become, or by studies in a matter, you know, the image, it can be the problems here? is it that global sound voices are not speaking loud enough, or is it that the global north isn't listening? no, but the number of, i mean the idea of the giving us loans, it's appropriate. they need to do it by the agent, but they must allow us to the right. the type of them lifted me up. i mean, i've spoken to several invoices for the different a compass. i mean, i'm not sure whether they even listen to us. we keep on the same thing that you are responsible for the method that makes the claimant. you're not supposed to be given loans. you're supposed to be, they probably think you're supposed to include,

but in terms of the 5 minutes of the government and that needs to mitigate the adapt window needs to get into that because of how much they could come in the climate. because developed countries, dudley, the climate monthly, the basic and the lazy. now they need to give up the money so that we may be able to mitigate and adapt. but in this speed and the phase we can afford, yeah. unfortunately, our time is almost coming to a close anabel. i want to go to come to you because you've said stubborn optimism. that's a term that has united labor in green movements. what do you mean by that? i guess what i want to mean with that is that we know the trustees and he's going to happen. we don't know if he's going to be just because dust is, is only a result of mobilization and a power struggle. and i'm

a here absolutely. all the frustration, but i think this is also a moment for raising together with the minds with that strategy and pushing both north and south in the leaving for workers on communities. i mean like there is still everything to be built about climate strategies. this is only the beginning, and if there's one thing i learned in my 15 years working with the trade union movement, that is not only important to know when you wind. but the most important thing is to know when you are losing, to keep fighting for winning. i think that the level of a stubborn optimism is certainly one that the environment though tough, these groups would learn a lot from. yeah, so, so because we have a message telling, thank you. thank you so much of the fall of illustration. thank you so much and your message to not give up, but also to listen closely to task conversations. those are both important. thank you so much to all of our guests and that is all for today. but you can always find us online at streaming dot alj a 0 dot com. thanks for joining us for this important conversation.

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