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hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much i'm shown. some of the world's most pressing issues are often decided by the leaders of a few wealthy nations. for far too long input from africa and other places in the global south have been limited or even disregarded. but there's now a push for that to change specifically within the g 20 block. as india prepares to host the summit this year, a prime minister and a render a movie is calling for the african union to be given full and permanent membership . but why now? what political and economic interests are at stake. we'll explore these issues with, i guess in a moment. but 1st this report from katia lopez or the young cindy is leader is set to host his 1st g 20 meeting on home soil. and now prime minister in there under moody is also pushing for another. first, he's calling for the african union and all his 55 member states to join the g. 20. the proposal isn't new for the screening traction among some governments.

presidential fight and openly supported the move during less. here's the us african liter summit in washington. africa belongs to the table in every room in every room. we're a global challenges are being discussed. i'm also calling for the african. you joined the j 20 as a permanent member of the g h one on many fronts. some analysts say a you membership is long overdue. many of the issues discussed by gee, 20 leaders, including food security, climate change, and trade directly affect african nations. yet south africa is the only member from the continent. africa's role on the international stage is also growing. most recently 7 african nations let us delegation to keep in moscow to mediate a peace deal in the conflict. and we do believe that this is

the time for both parties to negotiate, to negotiate an end to this war. because this war is costing a great deal of instability and hom, to various countries around the world. and we, as african countries are feeling the impact of this will for years now, china and russia have focused heavily on africa. some analysts believe other nations are just now recognizing the strategic and economic value of the region. but there's still a long road ahead before the african, the union gets full membership. there is discussions and requirements that must be met, but finding agreement and concessions among such a huge and diverse blog may pose a challenge, katia a little bit. so the, again, for insights story the, all right,

let's go ahead and bring in our guests in london on your coffee, one book co executive director of the african foundation for development in chapel hill, north carolina. i know she chary professor of economics and finance at the university of north carolina at chapel hill and in saint gala on switzerland, guido called c professor of macro economics at the university of south carolina. a warm welcome to wall and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story. i know. sure. let me start with you today. what are indian prime minister in around remote is motivations for calling for the a you to be given membership to the g 20 n y now as well. so this is an incredibly crucial juncture in terms of engagement with africa. and as you know, india has just as young the presidency of the g 20 g given that africa is going to have the largest population by 2050 and as the largest democracy in the world and

the fastest growing economy in years g 20 presidency will play a crucial role in building a strong, sustainable relationship with for gosh, so this in my view is a critical juncture in building this relationship with india as the head of the g 20 and with the us as well as erupt in union in partnership with building a better building better for africa when you're taught to you what would this potential membership of the african union in the g 20 mean for the african continent? the to the star and the faster we didn't get approved for the national, the agenda for the engineer. as always, i mean, every country is a cell survey to serve next step to look at alternatives,

interest. it was a degree of self interest and aspect. india has also been absolutely committed to the question african extra screen. remember. busy busy store support, i guess the project in south africa, so i knew was been a good friend of the continent. what does this mean for. busy i think with the use of, i think, well we're pushing towards the more africa has been cooling. busy and the number of these global institutions is present level of governance of. busy busy presentation, so this will be a step in that direction. as has been mentioned that because there are 20 said the will be probably the most popular. so, continental, not in the world, and by the end for century, you know, for teachers, or if i have to start to the nation,

will be africa africans. or if you're going to be solving global problems, which is what the small rooms are trying to do, right? you're not including the last time how long will be friendship needs or $2.00 to $4.00 but the same but. busy century are of the nation of the. ringback i'm not quite sure what comes in, you know, so they go see on the representation for when virginia 20 meters of african perspectives a new share. i saw you reacting quite a lot to what on your tachi was sitting there and it looked like you wanted to jump in. so go ahead. yes, sure, absolutely. i just want to echo every single debris ment in everything that has just been set and i have for long how this believes that in order to implement reforms in order to promote growth and development, investment and trade. it's important that the voices of the countries that are

impacted by these policies, the given a seat of the table. so let me know historically a lot of these policies bought need in washington with the international institutions, friends with africa, particular not having a voice and a seat at the table. and i think that in the spirit of, you know, democrat ties seeing the reform process as well as in the spirit, just been community. and i think it's incredibly important to bring the a you on board with the g 20 a guido. i also saw your reacting just now, so i'll let you jump in, but i also want to ask you, um, what are the economic and political interest at stake and all of this, it was a comic into say is about the future. because the opposite guy at the moment that he actually got share judy b is not the high. however, i, it's important 2 to 3 mind that i like because you're all far life china, likely united states. and also like in the child,

offered us population is very young. uh 50 percent of its population is below the age of 19. so the median age is 19 india, which is pretty young guys. it would be $29.00 china, $3990.00 your but we are, oh uh about about the 40. so the future is there gonna be consequences of this younger uh, population a with a young guy. uh for the insurance and go to printers. uh and and labor force i already mens had jump. what is the goal is super important to it's close to europe is in the center. the population is comparable to that of china and the bought it with grow as was mentioned. uh so uh it would be a man. so now it says that the g kelly, that, uh, you know, this is at the moment, these were, uh, the, the, the contest between the you, china and the, and the usa. uh, you know, it is economically uh very up to glue to let me also ask you,

um if the g 20 doesn't have adequate representation from africa going forward? how much does it impact the twenty's credibility? a yeah, if it doesn't to, i mean at the moment it has so soft rica. however, this doesn't represent the whole continental south. it is important to, to have a more unified view there. otherwise, it wouldn't be the view, but the view a one account to the so this would be very important to, for example, for the relationships with the europe. which is, you know, our trusted method to rainy. and there are lots of political issues and migration issues to be solved the, you know, a to, to develop and from europe has started related to march. and it's time also for europe to wake up into do notice that there is out, we get there, that there are problems that this young population must be helped to, to, to grow and blossom in a positive the way you'd rather than just abandon to, you know, china versus the united states and complex and you know,

absolutely and security and so on. on your kaci, you heard guido there talk about the fact that south africa is currently the only member from the continent of g 20. why is that the case? the frontier rose of the and uh you know, during the financial crisis uh, in 2008 and its, uh it was uh, cleared up but you said that was not on the autographs to the with the issues. uh, you know, it needed the level response. i don't think there was a chance to bring in all the players. i mean, it was ridiculous that, you know, china, which about stage of the 2nd largest economy result in the g 7 search. it was clear, you know, the old forums had been in existence or the last 40 years and years in a row. i'm sure there was

a chance to bring it over cheapest to believe they know. busy africa and you know, for a lot of reasons set up in your research or not. so i think is not in the top 20 economies or the in the well, even in africa or my journey economies big. oh, i'm still out for too long. so for the time, for lots of complicated reasons, so that's a good. busy you know, we're out to be the best representative of the continent and as i've agreed to research and. busy it has sometimes found the challenges or the push its own interest and then pass on behalf of the whole confidence, which is what it took on the neighbors dash energy to do sir, how are you that. busy you know, there is a collective agenda around the african visions around this picture is 2063 and gen

bear. logistically shuffled by everybody on the continent. there is no very different session of the free trade area. lots of other things they, you know, responsibility attributes for multi direct was it's not just trying to do it by actual chanc give you the other side to then act on behalf of no confidence. it's really important to me, you know, move this big for a on your own. your gotcha, i'm sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you but, but, but i just want to, i want to go, i want to go to a new should be cut because i'll let you. i'll let you finish up on a 2nd, but understood. i saw you nodding along to a lot of what the on your coffee was sitting there and i wanted to give you a chance to jump in as well. sure, i think i, i, i think that we have to think about this demographic dividend aspect. i was thinking as a continent, as also source of moving suppliers, neighbor,

so to deliver growth in africa, what we're going to need is some serious investment in infrastructure, such as electricity, bridge, road, sports, railways, etc. as well as implementing appropriate governance structures to use that infrastructure efficiently. and this is going to be incredibly important to have a you be a part of the g 20 so that they can be part of the conversation that could potentially drive this very high f. and i'll make growth in africa. and as, as you all know, this is the most reliable way to reduce debt burdens and increase in energy security in africa. so once again, i think it's really important that you have a student at the table or guido, or how much will the african unions inclusion potentially in the g 20 boost. the g twenty's, global coverage, a public trade. and of course, you know,

for geographic reasons for a demographic reasons and for uh, the problem is, uh, a future. it goes at the same time by the union. and of course it, you know, it's already, it's already a car. has the viewer expressed as a view of the continent about that a center account that he's there with different objectives? i and now so i trying to reach consensus in my, in my, in a, such a, a largest set account that has, may, may be difficult. so you know, way it will presumably be able to convey the minimum common denominator of um, the pretty guy commented, but still it gives, it gives the um g 20 a more atari the uh you know, more at present that even is so it, with the moderate probably approach about still extremely useful. i also use for, for africa in the union to try to better compromise different these sensors and

reach common objectives internationally for a, you know, the international trade, for example, for your body to explore sanction cents on a, on your catchy, certainly this idea of potentially having the a you join the g 20 is not new in the run up to the g. 20 summit in bali last year . you had indonesia publicly calling for representation by the you. during that summit, you also had french president manuel my crohn as saying that parents supported the integration of a you into the g. 20 and china repeatedly over the past year has said that they support this idea. but the bali declaration of the end of the last time it didn't mentioned the proposal. why is that? well, i'm not sure. i'm either teresa so that bird says brand has been lost or who are under the bridge. there's been much more of

a movement drawers about 2 blocks. the printer is the center of alter. busy insurance from different. busy level centers now to protect and support. so you know, what we see is a sure, globally in terms of, you know, applica recovering all the need for african uh, sort of supports becoming much more important. so i think this has moved right to the agenda as far as that's concerned, but the point that was going to make it or the wrong just very quickly were so, you know, you know, the international for, you know, they, you know, major european printers in the west of dominate them but as individual countries for me to use 0 is also represented in before with g 7, the g 20 insurance or the pilot. busy so labor cases that not just straight up or

can the union, but other regional bodies also be given you know, next year. and those are nation america or will be also be invited to have that uh kind of uh the, the table implant genuinely interested in selling these level homes a new show at the end of last year. you also had the us president joe biden calling for the a you to become a permanent member of the g 20. i'm, when it comes to all this was that one of the big breakthroughs when it comes to pushing the idea farther. absolutely, and i think that this commitment that and thought you was talking about this colors and across the us, european union countries like india, et cetera. sort of recognizing the importance of pushing, putting their weight, we find out that and seeing the opportunity and the market is right for

creating shared across parity. so and the g 20 is really a natural form to discuss these issues and how various countries other than china adventures being practicing creditor, lending in africa and tests or practice this debt try diplomacy. i think there's an opportunity for these other countries via the g 24 to partner with africa to deliver high return climate friendly prosperity. the projects that are also a high priority for the african union. in addition to social structure, a social sector invest now such as an education guido, what has to happen for this to become a reality for the african union to become a permanent member of the g. 20. how complicated is this process? it was this part of this could be,

it could be seen today that by and by the police because of the way, let me know what myers is, depending on where you live. and of course, the united states is in favor in the i, as in favor, china is in favor then. you know, i, i would say i would not do i had it on the technical problems. are brutal guy. the problem is you guys seem to be politically, what is there that it wouldn't happen and how you oh, so i see may be a problem with the not the african union because as well as the rivalry said that the european union is there, but also friends that you tell me yeah, you know, the outcome 3 says. and so i, it would be nature all at some point that big companies like united julia, for example, by age if there are others, i'm know, get the increasingly involved in the future. so at the moment i would see no major problem, it's a, it's a process of extending the representation of off for the game digit warranty, which is absolutely long overdue. on the other side also it is

a way to get after we got more or less the so more uh, friendly way the united states. uh and the west because the g 20 at the moment. the majority of these bro, uh, united states of course, that is also a restaurant. china, uh dish. but so yeah, if, if there is a will in this section, i think uh, it may not be too difficult on your kaci. uh you heard the greater they're talking about um, from his point of view that there has to be a political will for, for this to happen from your vantage point. is there a political will right now and also from your vantage point? how long do you think this this might take? because it does look like there's still could be a quite a long road ahead before they asked and union could get full membership, right? the multiple listing was purely for reasons that i gave them before. busy is a great deal of global competition. my company cash or you know,

restaurant staff therapy around china hazards ideas about partnership with the come to no rush or increase and be over here for her to go level in your about of the rest of america. and you're sure was trying to get some is the agent being called. ringback so not sure, you know, complicated and complex reasons, resale affairs, as you're saying that the graphics in terms of the population and those are, you know, just the increasing voltage and projects. of course, americans at that expensive uh confirm some and so so i, i suspect you will have to watch real quickly. i'm the other reason the feasible vision is that now so many alpha for that are coming. busy this out, the brakes task, which is also making, you know, reaching out to include all african countries. and so i think the g 7 will,

if i want to best to ensure will probably more quickly a new should look to me like you were agreeing with. what on the catch you was saying, i do you also think that it might not take as long as some people fear that it will? yes, because the symbiotic relationship between africa and the rest of the world is become so apparent in terms of on, you know, just going back to the population issues is the world is not being able to partner with africa and deliver roles in africa. what we're going to see is increasingly higher levels of unemployment amongst su, and that's going to have a direct bearing on to countries in europe and perhaps the united states in terms of population migration and accidents out of africa. so, you know,

there's also in the interest of the us and you're just how develop africa and the sustainable climate friendly ways such that these huge when they come into the labor force, how good employment opportunities and you know, and so interest was mentioned before and i do think that in terms of providing capital, this is a great opportunity for private and public capital from the west to invest in africa to do in revenue. share prosperity. guido, from your vantage point, how challenging might it be to find agreement and concessions among such a such a huge and diverse blog going forward? it is challenging. great is also challenging. got to reach agreement that within the african union itself. however, this process, this type of them, of the process saves the new the new uh, new feature. uh good position. now, because good position from an economic point of view as low down what it does

become clear that they were, you know, the type of them, of the issues, the solve a 3 is complex and jump on a big sense. ok. so now the new, the new phase of globalization has to come through these exercise all day long. my see, and i agreements uh, put in the political will to do that. so, um, yeah, it is a, it is a totally premises that are also for the security issues involved the word and you're agreeing sanctions and so on with the reasons as expressed is you know, this is the way to go on your kaci. we only have a couple of minutes left. i see you want to jump in, but i also want to ask you one final question. how much would this amplify advocates voice on the international stage where it to become a reality? i think the last of the person in this way wish it to the surface recognize the nature sort of. ringback problems and explain that, and also, you know,

since the last 2 years since about when it didn't have vaccines on, was that monster himself. he knows the house is over stuff himself, service muscle discussing something about how to do that. now with a big price is it, does it have to so that i'm the thing to do so yeah, we're, you know, lease on it. so after china i think. busy you j, i forgot us and you know, 50 to about the different presidents go to black start digital office of breast and still on a plane. i'm going to, to meet china and you know, the us and this year the applicants, i know somebody off, it's in union, there's no longer necessary for us to have a place to go to mount dental vision, or wherever we is. you know, we have an african union, we laptop, cheese, strategic issues, you know, 26 and 3 times when we're working towards a common thing. but the system. now i'm the one that, you know, we have the continental free trade that we're doing. so this idea of, of,

so there's not able to build consensus, i think is a fast, so you, we move beyond the, the confidence or so no. so the trust direction of you know, the bathroom, you know, to, it's waiting certainly never to do that. it has to find the consensus. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're gonna have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all our guest on your katya. wonderful. i know she chary and guido khaki and thank you to for watching and you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, algebra. com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is add a j inside story for me and i'm a gentleman the whole team here, bye for now the

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