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coming up. next we understand the differences between subconscious across the ground. so no matter how you take it out here to bring you the news and current to fast the t challenges there. the die on the stream. a country that has in georgia decades of violence centers resulted in the death of at least 6000000 people, completing the democratic republic of congo is often overlooked. but today we are looking at the impact of the fight between the government and um groups. and in particular, m 23. some of what you say may will be distressing. want to let you know that before we go any further in this program, we start with a survivor of masika and to she she,
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that last the coat was in november of last year, the survivor told his story just a few months ago. let's have a look at this one. we will do all the men who are in the church who pretend to be displaced. persons be of the rebels who shots with us. so they took all the men back to it but not a plantation. and they said, sit here and put your feet in the ho, spending a circle around the hole, and they started shooting them and they stopped counting the others next to them when the 1st whole was already failed. that's what happens. we were surprised. there was no one but god who can help us work so much to talk about helping us do that. combining this of really welcome to the stream kimberly's like human rights activism, the democratic republic of congo as an alice analysis at the center for research on congo. kinshasa, thanks for joining us from government and east and d all. com go we have we've oh my esta. she's a freelance journalist and a washington dc coming kidneys. not too or yeah. is
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a deputy advocate director at human rights watch. good to have with you. i wish it was under better circumstances. if i say i'm 23 to you loose 1st things that come to mind and then combine a 1st things that come to mind with the stock. so thank you so much and thank you so much for having me. if you see, i'm trying to speak to me, the 1st thing that comes to my mind is and trouble and conflict that has never had an end come body can continue them. 23 is a macro name, right? of an agreement signed by the government. we've another group called the c and d, p in 2012 right in 2012. that's when the created the name on it and, and put a few sandstone. march 20 that you know more for the 3rd, 2009. uh, the community is government sign a in agreement. we have the rebel groups in the p a that made them actually put
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down the guns in 2012, that one back in the bush saying that the communities government did not a, by the agreement. but few things happened during that time. it's not just that the increment was not fully approved by the government, but it was something that's happening at the time, which was the rest of the school thing. and the push to risk arrest a from a rebel leader of the of the same group was true at the i c, c. and during the push to arrest him, that's when the m $22.00 was created. so anytime i hear the m $23.00 hourly, say that is masking, actually the nature of the rebel force that exists, which is a continuation of existing rebel force, him to come to what proxy rebels supported by neighboring countries. korean, this is exactly why it's difficult for the international community to follow what is going on in the d all say, it seems from the outside to be incredibly complex. if i say to m 23, what would you summarize box and me and so the international community thanks for
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the question. i think so my to kind of this just said, i think it's, it's m 23 speaks to our history of failed. the implementation of the disagreements . yeah. it speaks to uh, the regional dynamics. the proxy was the neighboring countries. namely, you kind of wonder, i have been, has been, uh, uh, existing but most importantly its the chairs and uh, mazda atrocities, the work, fine stuff has been limited, and the impacts on the civilian population. that i think about the women and the girls we interviewed in the, in the context of our latest reports and women who told us that the, the tragedies they went through and, and, and how they were for instance,
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raped in front of the children. and they and the husbands, the shame that goes with it is also the divest ations issue, many serve in crisis that we think unfolding. so, so the law of political will is a region that has been that has not been able to muster according to the action 2 and a cycle the cycle of uses and holes, tippett traits has accountable as so many sales along this route. that takes us from 2012 right up to date combined, and i'm just going to help out audience just do a very quick timeline. so we start in 2012 just so they can keep up with where we are right now. so much 20. so at this movement, is a kimberly's tootsie militia. this goes back to the we're one to genocide. so the
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roots go back to that, but in 2012 m. 23, we're in eastern congo, and they sees the capital of new q a province, a collection of the companies, only the u. n. troops up for them. the group essentially signed a piece doing that within 2013. only thing has intensified since 2021. and again, and 23, back in north, keep a and then while it has withdrawn from some parts of that province in eastern congo, as members continue to attack civilians, bruce, why? what do they want? but exactly, the advocacy always say that's based on, on the agreement that they have. we become the leaves, the government, but the communist governments. i've done everything in order to make them seize all of this, all the claims and everything that i've been doing in the eastern part of that this is not happening, but also we have that one issue,
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which is the runtime document back in the m trans history so that's where it's this issue becomes a little bit complex because the nfl 23 is not working on its own. it has support from the london government. so i want to show you a quote that we got just before we went on from the we're one to 12 months only a, that embassy in washington dc service is key. a come body respond to this. we're one to is not going to be intimidated by these human rights watch campaigns of this information and distractions from ongoing regional piece efforts coming in. i know you're ready to talk about that, but let me just go to compile a festival. this was an incident we actually today no prompting. we do not. we do not agree with the allegations that we want is involved and back in and 23. what do we know for sure. on the, on june, 13th of this year of this month, the you on proof of extra publisher reports that includes aerial footages and for
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the graphic evidence of the run, the defense forces incentive, the d r c. they even included the names of random officials, run down the army officials involved in the support of the m $23.00 in the documentation. the list of the names, right? they've got the information from their own on the got the information from intelligence surfaces in the region. so in terms of evidence that already exists, we are beyond allegations now we are beyond acquisitions. the reason why for the past 2 decades, the dfcs last 6 means people, which is a shocking that you would even say 6000000 conflict in the wild predicts 6000000 casualties index. it is because there is a culture of improvements in new york city by the girlfriend, peanuts it can only hand through justice because when we have 6000000 people that in europe, it different action was taken in the or see the was
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a proposal of having an international tribunal for the r c that's not being implemented. we know the perpetrators, we normally it shows this that blessing the congo, but no punitive actions is thick and we hear condemnation. uh, a few days ago the united states for that is spec. let's talk on the, around the you, when we report how, how, how, how statements, how helpful a statements, a strong statement for the united states. what does that do? how many lives that safe after to the kids? he doesn't, by the case of the united uh, united states. we don't need the stick man anymore. what we need is the action actually implementing the own law. the difference with the united states is that they actually have a law all the new york public law, 109456, the democratic republic of congo released to create a democracy promotional act of 2006, written by reco obama signed by just the blue sheets it has a 6th. this law clearly states in the section one to 5 that the secretary of state,
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which is to the secretary blinking, has the power to revolt aids, to any emission, disturb lice of the coma. so this is actually a us, la secretary blink him and he's visiting to your see if you, if you years ago, he himself say that the evidence presented by the united, that initial group of expertise, credible yet the felt and put me on the line with st. if failing a career, let me just bring you in here just a moment that i showed a human rights watch page here, d, all. com go mass grace tied to ro when the back m 23 even say allegedly, allegedly but a tied to a one to back m 23. you know, the special curry curry. can you hear me? yeah we, we can go ahead fence now just just to say that human rights watch conducted over a 100 interviews in person in coma and over the phone between march and may. as i
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mentioned we, we've published 2 uh, 2 investigations. um, we documented them no for killings. cases are free by and 23 fighters between october and march and differential cottages in the city and, and the triple territories. we documented cases of exclusive weapons which injured and killed civilians in uh, it must be c in t c, c. we documented the presence of equities. 14 must please cases of executions. um and, and, but we've also found um between may and focus 2022. how the clinical is on me, and that goes to some of the issues that somebody raised the communities on the, with the, with the coordination of what is minish as well as the democratic forces for that information. wonder if this by it's ok for me. i have committed
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a serious crimes including great and have and have triggered uh ethnic featured against uh uh to say communities. oh, well my to say that, uh, obviously we take note of the, of the statement that the one to the government has, as a, has put out. it's a are always want to see that it's a familiar position to be a to be in knox. and it's not just specific to, rather than a couple of other governments, when you do investigation on human rights foundations, whether they africans or western governments. so that is uh, that goes without saying that obviously we, i would, documentation has so uncovered a serious quite we up holding souls, a forensics of preservation of evidence. we're calling for an end to the support a to, i'm 23. we calling for a,
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a human rights and you did it just policy to be was in the original 1st appointment that you stuff or couldn't community deployment that is ongoing an an assignment we really calling on regional human rights institution such as do you, when all the african commission on human and people's rights to carry out investigation. i mean, i know is the call, but off the 20 years. is anyone listening? well, the should be and wish will continue. right. let me really on the roof. i want to bring in a fellow journalist a, her name is wendy bashi. it is not just for one day who is involved in the instability of the democratic republic of congo. many more interests are involved as well. when deep ashley spelt it out, i love you to pick up on the back of what she says and tell us more. he's wendy festival. today the interest of uganda and of and one that
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ended ya see, a can be put on one aspect. i mean, for me, it's the economy aspect. as we all know, the jesse is very rich, the country as gold, diamonds, uranium cobalt, and many other things. and these facts can be one of the reasons why many of the country, it's not on a rhonda and uganda, many of the country in the great lakes. i really interested in taking power and control of the g. c. vs. go ahead. oh, yeah, thank you. so much well of what wendy said she was talking about you guys uh and rhonda. yeah. till now. i mean, until now we have evidence that rhonda is been back by. it's been by king of the entity and contributing to the construct that is happening in the instance in the last people. but when it comes to your grandeur,
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the comment is government has been very clear about the position that you've been to has in this conflict. because i mean, i think what the company's a government have has these have been, you've done that is a security interest. because if we look at, for example, the operation, she's adams that is being held by the u pdf together with the communist army in the producers. of a tory and not careful. they're fighting against the 8080 if so, i mean the company is a government has much, he gets it clearly what the position of uganda eats in this coffee. but also that this one is from the cyber society. what's driving st. before in the ground in those regions which are paid to pay the entrance, it could be about the benefits, things like that. we used to see at the braces of, of different and such as of the neighboring countries. testimonies i bet bye for now. evidence shows that rhonda is the one section and since it's a movement,
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but when it comes to other neighboring countries, big companies, government hasn't, hasn't, hasn't said it already. okay. all right, so on the chief of just some thoughts here. some of you, as a writer, says we're when the dnc domestic match up with the big picture. and the root cause is about the rich minerals. is this about money? symbolic it is about the resources and the history of the congo assistance model. they found in 1985, 14 glo, full control of the taking us way back. it was actually for rubber that we use for the car, the tires, about purchasing bicycles. right. we go to 1945, we bought. com. was there any um you can have your shumate like i was lucky, so i was on the badge in hands today from 96 the present, the colors we noticed as we are the center of model. let technology you won't have your cellphone. yeah, that's a song we've outcome was minerals, but what's important to see and to connect it back to what has happened to ship is that the crime scene to ship it spelled the 1st time it happens. it has happened
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for 2 decades in 1998 massacre as documented by you and go public, but got rebecca guard where 200000 civilians presumably were killed. all these appear so nice thing, non evening shirts, he'll get at least atrocities for us. why killed civilians? it's a tactic of the split spence one up in your muscle ring, see if it is in public ripping women. if public, those things out to terrorize the population, when it happens in your community tomorrow, you're not going to be in the same area because you're afraid we have mass displacements over 5000000 because some estimates from 2 to 5 lead up in front of the display screen with these last a few days, few months, few years us seem developed plan of mining coefficients in those cuz you pay the people out normally medical. so you also have disposition of lens where i pollution left the king of the lance. but for that too and,
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and that's where at least for static, what we have spending is onto there is justice that cannot be peace. so we are sending disagreement of disagreements with people who committed a crime yesterday. so they'd be much like a civilians think you want ripped women and q one j 2008 is still surprising to me . see, and if you, which is not called m 23 to read women to should have done that before. but what has happened when they kind of built the agreement that a 72008 give them an estate. and that's why also some of the, the implementation of agreement becomes a problem. how do you give a rebel leader a but how do you, i'm this before ripping way. but how do you estimate that? right. so that becomes a much more complex, but we don't believe that just dealing with the m $23.00 is the solution has to be dealt with at the regional level. you will run that. you've done that in 2012. the stopping of m 23 was to the pro medical nation. what actually happened? the united states, we have a to run. that was pretty much measured in 2013. we saw the m 23. these appear
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pretty much busing. that's the the going to cease fire it. they could later, they are coming back. but the same nature of picking in 2012. it's not what's happening now. this seems to be some form of i think it one department time body. so take a pull. swimming a couple of things that i want to share with. you cutting you go fast. i'll go 2nd huh. go ahead. yeah, no, i just wanted to equal what somebody just said and just to reinforce the facts that commenting in to talk in 2021, we see a present you security approving of trying to build roads linking. you've gone to, to uh, to, to, to campbell, and at some obviously analysis have been made around the fact that that is also a driving factor in the, in the regional in the regional dynamics. you've dundas escalating military and economy engagement in so do you have a seat because well,
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these rules are being constructed. there was there's a deployment of the u. p. s. so you have obviously you one of the actual, the some of the seas. holton, for instance. and up in wonder, but also significant amount is able to, to your gun, the guns where the 1st, the 1st inclusion of the i'm $23.00 happened. so obviously you have all these, the nexus between 6 minerals, a revolution unemployed in boxes that has really faced for the kids now. all right, so can we let me bring in some, some, some more voices into our conversation to so out what is a hit? so some of the people who are also involved the u. n. h c r. then as a couple of thoughts, this one is really important about displacement and company has already framed. why would you knew so many people out of the way? well, to get to the manuals his and jelly look on situation of displacement
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in the d. c is part of the way. it is a situation whereby we have some 6300000 into and i need is based people sing the friends we've fuji's is that different across i need to imagine that we have 523000 plus a cds originating from macon building counties we have more than 1000000 communities, cds in building counties, a huge displace people refugee classes that he's not making headlines every day. and why we talking about this today because of the humanitarian crisis, the sexual violence. i want you to key and i want you earlier about one person's experience because this one person is many people in east them. come go, have a list and have
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a look in court placement and i should because of the crisis we have in the camp 2 weeks ago, i went looking for would like the other women do to sell it so that i could buy salt. and so, but there we found 4 men armed with machetes, wheat fled, but i tripped on a stone and fell down. 3 of these men followed my 2 friends, and the last one had stayed with me and raped me. i couldn't scream because he told me that if i screamed, he would kill me with his machete. so it was a not taking the violence from m 23 united nations secretary general was aust about work where i was am 23, getting a weapons from. and this is what he told a friend a front 24 interview. and they also is a what she doesn't say that have them live and try to come for somebody like his own to see them. you have the most, as you are aware, the reason for these reason demonstrations is the fact that the united nation is
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not able to defeat the em 23 2nd land. but the truth is that the m 23 today is a modern arm with heavy equipment that is more advanced and the equipment stuff on this go. the level of the school is going to do one, does some of this equipment doesn't come from lawanda in the past, they come from somewhere someplace julia and you seem to say, yes, they come from somewhere somewhere nearby. they were not born in the forest. they come from somewhere green on youtube. one of the us says that i've noticed this issue in the democratic republic of congo. nobody is held accountable for them. this green bearing in mind the human rights watch report. how is a calculated really to achieve? why just adjust this, come from. okay. a thing just to should come 1st from duty. bear is still kimberly's complement and it's the runtime government. and
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it also comes from a concerted effort to put pressure on both governments to investigate the up uses that not just human rights watch, but other institutions, including including the u. n. a group of experts have documented you mentioned the, the human determines, uh, situation which is sort of when you, when you are sure what can i say, sions like and assess. so say that they provide attach a 670 full survivors of sexual violence in the, in 2 weeks. the last 2 weeks of april. um, when you see about caps for 15000 people? correct. um yes, one sent as the finish. oh, full. go ahead with the end of the shay. so um, just to say the accountability is a must to break the cycle of abuse and actually saucen folding and implementing
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an agenda that will stick, right? that's will provide security champions. thank you. degree degree is click on valley and to have us watching on youtube on around the wells, us the next time take the city of people in the world. production is under increasing strength. team nice. with a growing global population, out to 0 is environmental solutions. programs discovers new ways to feeding the world to stay and focus on like 80000 murder just from the
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