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hey, get an idea of the french republic, his loan proclaimed. but just what is more than friends in a full pot theory, the big picture takes an in depth no. from the same size episode to an allergy. 0, the today on the stream, a country that has in georgia decades of violence centers resulted in the death of at least 6000000 people. conflict in the democratic republic of congo is often overlooked, but today we are looking at the impact of the flight between the government and um, goods and in particular m $23.00. some of what you will say may will be distressing . what to let you know that if we go any further in this program, we start with a survivor of a masika and to she she,
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that mazda coat was in november of last year, the survivor told his story just a few months ago. let's have a look at the bottom, we will do all the men who are in the church who pretend to be displaced. persons be of the rebels who shot to this. so they took all the men back to it but not a plantation. and they said, sit here and put your feet in the hole and stand in a circle around the hole and they started shooting them and they stopped counting the others next to them when the 1st whole was already failed. that's what happens . we were surprised. there was no one but god who can help us work so much to talk about helping us do that. combining this of really welcome to the stream. kimberly is like human rights activists with democratic republic of congo as an alice analysis at the center for research on congo. kinshasa, thanks for joining. yes. some government in east and the all calm go we have lose. oh my i stuff. she's a freelance journalist and a washington dc coming kidneys. uh not too or. yeah. is
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a deputy advocate director at human rights watch. good to have with you. i wish it was under better circumstances. if i say i'm 23 to you loose. first things that come to mind and then combine a 1st things that come to mind with the stock. well, thank you so much and thank you so much for having me. if you see, i'm trying to read it to me. the 1st thing that comes to my mind is and trouble and conflict that has never had an end for somebody to continue them. 23 is a right of an agreement signed by the government. we've another group called the c and d p in 2012, right? it 2012. that's when they created the name on it and, and put a few cents on march 20 that you know more for the 3rd, 2009. uh, the community is government sign a in agreement. we have the rebel group, c and d p that made them actually put down the guns in 2012,
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that one back in the bush saying that the company is government, the not a by the agreement. but few things happened during that time. it's not just that the increment was not fully approved by the government, but there was something that's happening at the time, which was the rest of the school thing. and the push to risk arrest a from a rebel leader of the, the of the same group was 2 at the i, c, c. and during the push to arrest him, that's when the m $22.00 was created. so any time i have the m $23.00, i would say that is masking, actually the nature of the rebel force that exists, which is a continuation of existing rebel force, him to come to what proxy rebels supported by neighboring countries. koreen. this is exactly why it's difficult for the international community to follow what is going on in the d all say, it seems from the outside to be incredibly complex. if i say to m 23, what would you summarize box and me and so the international community thanks for
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the question. i think so my color this just said i think it's, it's m 23 speaks to our history of failed. the implementation of the disagreements . yeah, it speaks to the regional dynamics. the proxy was the neighboring countries. namely, you kind of wonder, i have been, has been a exerting. but most importantly, it's the chairs and the mazda of trusted teens. the work fines that have been limited and the impacts on the civilian population. that i think about the women and the girls we interviewed in the, in the context of our latest reports and women who told us that, that the tragedies they went through and, and, and how they were for instance,
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raped in front of the children and a, the husband's the shame that goes with it is also the divest ation, the human determine crisis that we think unfolding so, so the law of political will is a region that has been, that has not been able to muster according to the action 2 and a cycle. the cycle of uses and holes tip of traits as accountable as so many sales along this route. that takes us from 2012 right up to date combined. and i'm just going to help out audience just do a very quick timeline. so we start in 2012 just so they can keep up with where we are right now. so march 20. so at this movement is accomplished tootsie melisha. this goes back to the we're one to genocide. so the roots go back to that,
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but in 2012 m 23, we're in eastern congo as they seize the capital of new q, a province, a collection of the companies, only the u. n. troops up for them. the group essentially signed a piece doing that within 2013 bleaching has intensified since 2021 and again and 23 back in north cuba. and then, well, it has withdrawn from some parts of that province in eastern congo. as members continue to attack civilians roof, why, what do they want? but exactly, uh, the advocacy always say that based on, on the agreement that they have with us on the list, the government. but the communist governments, i've done everything in order to make them seize all of this, all the claims and everything that i've been doing in the eastern part of part of about this is not happening. but also we have that one issue,
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which is the rundown documents back in the m trans history. so that's where this issue becomes a little bit complex because the nfl 23 is not working on its own. it has support from the one that tells me, and i want to show you a quote that we got just before we went on from the we're one development via the embassy in washington dc. service is key. a come body respond to this. we're one to is not going to be intimidated by these human rights watch campaigns of this information and distractions from ongoing regional piece efforts coming in. i know you're ready to talk about that, but let me just go to combine a festival. this was an incident we actually today no prompting. we do not. we do not agree with the allegations that we want is involved and back in and 23. what do we know for sure. on the, on june, 13th of this year of this month, the you on proof of extra publisher reports that includes aerial footages and for
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the graphic evidence of the front. the defense forces inside of the d r. c. they even included the names of random officials run down the army officials involved in the support of the m $23.00 in the documentation, the list of the names, right. and they got the information from their own army that got the information from intelligent surfaces in the region. so in terms of evidence though, really exists. we are beyond allegations now we are beyond acquisitions. the reason why for the past 2 decades, the dfcs law 6 means people, which is a shocking that you would even say 6000000 who conflict in the wild predicts 6000000 casualties index. it is because there is a culture of improvements in new york city by the girlfriend, peanuts it can only hand through justice because when we have 6000000 people that in europe, it different action was taken in new york city. the was
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a proposal of having an international tribunal for the r c that's not being implemented. we know the perpetrators, we normally, it shows this that be less than the congo, but no punitive actions. the 2nd we hear condemnation uh, a few days ago the united states for the spec. let's talk on a round do you when we report how, how, how, how statements, how helpful of statements a strong statement for the united states. what does that do? how many lives that face off to, to the kids? he doesn't, but in the case of the united uh, united states, we don't need the stick men anymore. what we need is the action actually implementing the own law. the difference with the united states is that they actually have it law. all the d r. c, public law 109456. the democratic republic of congo released to create a democracy promotional act of 2006, written by rec, obama, signed by just the blue sheet that has a 6. this lock clearly stating the 61 to 5, that the secretary of state, which is to the secretary blinking,
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has the power to revolt aids, to any emission, disturb lice of the cold. so this is actually a us lot secretary blink him and he's visiting to your see if you, if you years ago, he himself say that the evidence presented by the united, that initial group of expertise, credible yet the sell to implement on the line with st. if failing a career, let me just bring you in here just a moment ago i showed human rights watch page here. d all. com go mass grace tied to row one to bat. m 23. even say allegedly, allegedly but i'm tied to a one to back m 23. you know, the special 3 or no, it just is just to say that human rights watch conducted over a 100 interviews in person in coma and over the phone between march and may. as i mentioned we, we've published 2 uh, 2 investigations. um, we documented them no killings,
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cases are free by and 23 fighters between october and march and differential cottages in the city and, and the triple territories. we documented cases of exclusive weapons which injured and killed civilians in uh, it must be c in t c, c. we documented the presence of equities, 14 must place cases of executions and, and, but we've also found between may and focus 2022. how the clinical is on me, and that goes to some of the issues that somebody raised, the communities on the, with the, with the coordination of what is melisha as well as the democratic forces for that information. wonder if this by it's ok for me. i have committed a serious crimes including great and have and have triggered uh ethnic featured against uh uh to say communities. oh, well my to say that, uh,
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obviously we take note of the, of the statement that the one to the government has, as a, has put out. it's a are always want to see that it's a familiar position to be a to be in knox. and it's not just specific to, rather than a couple of other governments when you do investigation on human rights foundations, whether they africans or western governments. so that is, that goes without saying that obviously we, i would, documentation has so uncovered a serious claims. we are calling for a forensic preservation of evidence calling for an end uh to the support uh, 223. we calling for a uh, shipment wise to due diligence policy to be within the original 1st appointment that you stopped for can community deployment. that is ongoing. um, an an, an,
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an finance uh, we really uh, calling on regional schuman my substitutions specialist to you, one or the african commission on schuman and people's rights to carry out investigation. i mean, i know here's the call, but off to 20 years. is anyone listening? well, the should be and wish will continue. right. let me really on the roof. i want to bring in a fellow journalist a. her name is wendy bashi. it is not just for one day who is involved in the instability of the democratic republic of congo. many more interests are involved as well. when deep ashley spelt it out, i love you to pick up on the back of what she says and tell us more. he's wendy festival. to day the interest of you got that and of and one that ended. yeah. see, a can be put on one aspect. i mean,
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for me it's think economy aspect. as we all know, the jesse is very rich, the country as gold, diamonds, uranium cobalt, and many other things. and these facts can be one of the reasons why many of the country it's not 20 rhonda and uganda. many of the country in the great lakes are really interested in taking power and control of the g i. c. yeah, thank you so much. well, what when do you see? she's talking about you gotta and rhonda. yeah, jonah, i mean until now we have evidence that rhonda is been back by. it's been by came to anticipate and contributing to the construct that is happening in the instance in the last people. but when it comes to your grandeur, the comment is government has been very clear about the position that to them to has in this conflict. because i mean, i think what the cumberland government have has these have been, uganda is
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a security interest because if we look at, for example, the operation she's adams that is being held by the u pdf together with the communist army in the producers of a tory and not careful, they're fighting against a n d a d, if. so, i mean the company is a government has, let's see, it's it clearly what the position of uganda eats in this conference. but also that this one is from this type of society. what's driving st. before in the growing in those regions, which are books where ok, bye, debate. the entrance it could be about that being said, things like that we used to see at the braces of, of different and such as of the neighboring countries. testimonies i bet bye for now. evidence shows that rhonda is the one second and since it's a moment when it's come to add a neighboring countries, the company's government hasn't, hasn't, hasn't said it clearly. okay. all right, so on the chief of just some thoughts here from our view as a right to says we're when the dnc domestic match up. but the big picture and the
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root cause is about the rich mean. it was, is this about money? symbolic it is about the resources and the history of the congo assistance model. they found in 1985, 14 glo, full of got control of the taking us way back. it was actually for rubber that we use for the car. the tires about purchasing bicycles, right? we go to 1945. we bought. com. was there any um you can have your shumate like i was lucky. i was on the badge in hands today from 96 to present the colors we noticed as we are the center of model. let technology you won't have your cellphone . yeah, that's a song we've outcome was minerals, but what's important to see and to connect it back to what has happened to shift is that the crime scene to show you spell the 1st time you happens. it has happened for 2 decades in 1998 massacre as documented by you and group expert guy rebecca guard where 200000 civilians presumably were killed. all these appear so nice thing,
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not even sure he'll get at least atrocities for us. why killed civilians. it's a tactic of the split one up in your muscle creek, civilly is in public ripping women. if public those things out to terrorize the population. when it happens in your community tomorrow, you're not going to be in the same area because you're afraid we have mass displacements over 5000000 because some estimates from 2 to 5 lead up in front of the display screen with these last issue, days, 2 months, few years you're seeing the development of mining coefficients in those cuz you pay the people out. normally, my uncle says you also have disposition of lens where i have permission let the king of the lance. but for that to and, and that's where at least for sir, what we have spending is and still there is justice, they cannot be peace. so we are sending disagreement and disagreements with people who committed a crime yesterday. so they'd be much like
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a civilians. thank you. once i ripped women and q n, j 2008 is still surprising to me. see, and if you, which is about call m 23 to rep limited, she should have done that before. but what has happened when they kind of built and the agreement that a 72008 give them an estate. and that's why also some of the, the implementation of agreement becomes a problem. how do you give a rebel leader a but how do you, i'm this before ripping women. how do you welcome at that? right. so that becomes a much more complex, but we don't believe that just dealing with the m $23.00 is the solution has to be dealt with at the regional level. you will run that. you've done that in 2012. the stopping of of $23.00 was to the committee commission. what actually happened? the united states, we have a to run. that was pretty much measured in 2013. we saw the m 23. these appear pretty much busing. that's the the going to cease fire. it could lead or they are coming back. but the same nature of picking in 2012 is done. what's happening now.
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this seems to be some form of i think one department time probably so take upholstery might be a couple of things that i want to share with. you cutting you go so. so i'll go 2nd huh. go ahead. yeah, no, i just wanted to equal what somebody just said and then just to reinforce the fact that commenting in to tell in 2021, we see a present you security approving of trying to build roads linking, yukon to, to uh, to, to, to campbell, and at some obviously analysis have been made around the fact that that is also a driving factor in the, in the regional in the regional dynamics. you've dundas escalating military and economy engagement inside your seat because, well, these rules are being constructed. there was is a deployment of the computer. yes. so you have obviously you one of the actual the some of the seas. holton, for instance,
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and up in wonder. but also significant amount is able to, to your gun, the gun where the 1st, the 1st inclusion of the i'm 23 happened. so obviously you have all these, the nexus between 6 minerals, a rubber roof, unemployed in boxes that has really faced. this would be kids now. all right, so can we let me bring in some, some, some more voices into our conversation to so what is hit for some of the people who are also involved the u. n. h c r. then as a couple of thoughts, this one is really important about displacement and company has already framed. why would you move so many people out of the way will to get to the manuals his and jelly laquon. situation of displacement in the d. c is it is a situation where by we have some 6300000 into and i need the space people
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to sing the friends with the fifty's is that different across i need to imagine that we have 523000 plus receives originating from macon building counties, we have more than 1000000 communities, cds, and bidding counties a huge displace people refugee classes that he's not making the headlines every day . and why we talking about this today because of the humanitarian crisis, the sexual violence. i want you to key and i want you earlier about one person's experience because this one person is many people in eastern congo, have a list and have a look. i mean, call twice a minute mention because of the crisis we have in the camp 2 weeks ago. i went looking for would like the other women do to sell it so that i could buy salt. and
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so, but there we found 4 men armed with machetes, we'd fled, but i tripped on a stone and fell down. 3 of these men followed my 2 friends, and the last one had stayed with me and raped me. i couldn't scream because he told me that if i screamed, he would kill me with his machete services and not taking the violence from m 23 united nations. secretary general was aust about work where i was am 23, getting the weapons from. and this is what he told a friend or from 24 interview. and they also is a what she doesn't say that have them live until i take them to survey line is zone to see them. you have the most as you are aware. the reason for these recent demonstrations is the fact that the guy didn't nationwide is not able to defeat that the m 23 2nd level. but the truth is that the m 23 today is a modern arm with heavy equipment that is more advanced and the equipment stuff on these go into the one does have this equipment. does it come from lawanda?
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in the past, they come from somewhere, some blades, you know. yeah. and you seem to say, yes, they come from somewhere somewhere nearby. they were not born in the forest. they come from somewhere green on youtube. one of the us says that i've noticed this issue in the democratic republic of congo. nobody is held accountable for them this green bearing in mind to human rights watch report. how is a calculated but to achieve, where does the justice come from? okay. think jessica should come 1st from do to bear is still kimberly's government and they still bundled government us and it also comes from a concerted effort to put pressure on both governments to investigate the up uses that not just human rights watch, but other institutions including including the u. n. a group of experts have
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documented you mentioned the, the human determine 6 a situation which is sort of um, when you, when you see what can i say, sions like and assess. so say that they provide a catch of 674 survivors of sexual violence in the, in 2 weeks. the last 2 weeks in april. um, when you see about caps for 15000 people? correct? um, yes, one send is the finish. oh, full, go ahead with the end of the shay. so um, just to say the accountability is a must to break the cycle of abuse and actually stops and folding and implementing . and the agenda that will stick provide that will provide security change can be news. thank you, degree degree is click on via and to have us watching on youtube on around the wells. us the next time. take the
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