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to because they are protected by law, the wire department cannot give any any most in the event that in any mode has become a nuisance or is a disturbance then the solution is very simple. the wildlife department is supposed to capture the cit, annual, or any most, and relocate them not killed them. this is not the 1st time the wildlife department has been accused of acting illegals. 2 years ago, witnesses say at least 20 dusky leave. languages were shot dead by wildlife department personnel on grounds they had attacked humans, even though the species is listed as endangered on the international conservation law. lawrence lee, which is 0 positive for the this is alpha 0 and here you are headlines. one palestinian has been shot dead and a village that has been attacked by his really settlers. 200 attackers are reported to have set fires of cars and property in the village of tournament sale. on
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tuesday, for his release were killed near the legal settlement of l. e, how he faucet is on the ground following developments just outside the village of tour, messiah in the occupied westbank. i mean with hearing from the policy read, present that some 12 people were injured by live fire. now there were some suggestions that perhaps some of the settlers themselves were shooting those bullets. and there was also a confrontation off to the settlers left between palestinian residents. and these really forces who came in shortly afterwards, injuries sustained as well by rubber coated bullets. frontier gas as well. so this is a very major attack. people in mismanage say they are used to quite a lot of circular violence here, but they've never had an attack like this in their experience. it has been violence between these really forces and people in the occupied golden heights to residents . they are opposed to the construction of a wind energy project. hundreds of drew syrians say that their farm lands will be
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affected by the project and international conferences underway in london. to help ukraine recover and rebuild from the conflict, british prime minister risky snack is expected to and bailey financial assistance packaging. so including a $3000000000.00 credit from the world bank, ukraine's president appeared on the video and urged owners to take the concrete steps. eventually. police in pakistan have arrested 7 people accused of involvement and last week, sinking off the coast of greece. there described his key figures and a people smuggling ring. hundreds of people drowned last week, many of them from pakistan. the canadian aircraft searching for missing submersible has detected underwater banging sounds. the vessel lost contact on sunday on its dive to the wreck of the tenants. in the north atlantic, 5 people are on board. those are headlines on al jazeera as always, our website down to 0 dot com carries all our top stories up next. the stream of
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the, [000:00:00;00] the day on the stream. a country that has in georgia decades of violence centers resulted in the death of at least 6000000 people. conflict in the democratic republic of congo is often overlooked, but today we are looking at the impact of the flight between the government and um groups. and in particular,
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m 23. some of what you will say may will be distressing. want to let you know that before we go any further in this program, we start with a survivor of masika and she, she, that lots of coat was in november of last year. the survivor told his story just a few months ago. let's have a look at the bottom, we will do all the men who are in the church. he pretends to be displaced persons be of the rebels who shot to this. so they took all the men back to it, but not a plantation. and they said, sit here and put your feet in the ho stand in a circle around the hole, and they started shooting them and they stopped counting the others next to them when the 1st whole was already failed. that's what happens. we were surprised. there was no one but called who can help us work so much to talk about helping us do that. combining this of really welcome to the stream. kimberly is like human rights activists for the democratic republic of congo as an alice analysis at the
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center for research on congo. kinshasa, thanks for joining us. some government and eastern congo we have lose. oh my esta. she's a freelance journalist and a washington dc coming kidneys. uh not too or. yeah. is a deputy advocate director at human rights watch. good to have with you. i wish it was under better circumstances. if i say m 23 to you. ruth. first things that come to mind and then combine a 1st things that come to mind with the stock. well, thank you so much and thank you so much for having me. if you see, i'm trying to speak to me, the 1st thing that comes to my mind is and trouble and conflict that has never had an end as somebody can continue to them. 23 is a luxury right of an agreement signed by the government. we've another group called the c n d p in 2012, right?
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it 2012. that's when they created the name on it and, and put a few sandstone march 20 that you know more for the 3rd, 2009. uh, the community is government sign a in agreement. we have the rebel group c and d p. that made them actually put down the guns in 2012, that one back in the bush saying that the communities government didn't. that's a, by the agreement. but few things happened during that time. it's not just that the agreement was not fully approved by the government, but there was something that's happening at the time, which was the rest of us put them under the push to risk arrest, a former rebel leader of the, the of the same group who's truant the i c, c, and during the push to arrest him, that's when the m $22.00 was created. so any time i have the m $23.00, i would say that is masking, actually the nature of the rebel force that exists, which is a continuation of existing rebel force, him to come to what proxy rebels supported by neighboring countries. koreen. this
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is exactly why it's difficult for the international community to follow what is going on in the d all say, it seems from the outside to be incredibly complex. if i say to m 23, what would you summarize box and me and so the international community thanks for the question. i think uh so my cool color is just said, i think it's, it's m 23 speaks to our history of failed. the implementation of the disagreements . yeah. it speaks to the regional dynamics. the proxy was the neighboring countries. namely, you kind of wonder, i have been, has been a exerting, but most importantly, it's the chairs and the master trust the teams. the work fines that have been limited and the impacts on the civilian population. that i think about
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the women and the girls we interviewed in the, in the context of our latest reports and women who told us that, that the tragedies they went through and, and, and how they were for instance, raped in front of the children. and they and the husbands, um, the shame that goes with it is also the diverse stations issue. many serve in crisis that we think unfolding. so, so the law of political will is the region that has been that has not been able to muster according to the action, to address cycle, the cycle of abuses and holes, tippett traits has accountable as so many sales along this route. that takes us from 2012 right up to date combined, and i'm just going to help out audience just do
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a very quick timeline. so week start in 2012 just so they can keep up with where we are right now. so march 20. so at this movement, is a kimberly's, tootsie melisha. this goes back to the we're one to genocide. so the roots go back to that. but in 2012 m. 23, we're in eastern congo as they seize the capital of new cube, a province, a collection of the companies, only the u. n. troops up for them. the group essentially signed a piece doing that within 2013 bleaching has intensified since 2021. and again, and 23 back in north cuba. and then while it has withdrawn from some parts of that province in eastern congo, its members continue to attack civilians roof. why? what do they want? but exactly the m c. c. i always say that's based on, on the agreement that they have, we become the lease department, but the communist government,
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i've done everything in order to make them seize all of this, all the claims and everything that i've been doing in the eastern part of course. but this is not happening, but also we have that one issue which is the run then government backend the m times discrete. so that's where it's this issue becomes a little bit complex because as you 3 is not working. ready own it has to put from the one that tells me, and i want to show you a quote that we got just before we went on from the we're one development via the embassy in washington dc. service is key. a come body respond to this. we're one to is not going to be intimidated by these human rights watch campaigns of this information and distractions from ongoing regional piece efforts coming in. i know you are ready to talk about that, but let me just go to combine a festival. this was an incident we actually today no prompting. we do not. we do
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not agree with the allegations that we want is involved and back in and 23. when we know for sure to lose on june, 13th of this year of this month, the you on couple of extra publisher reports that includes aerial footages and for the graphic evidence of run the defense forces. in some of the d r. c. they even included the names of london officials run the army officials involved in the support of the m $23.00 in the documentation, the list of the names, right. and they've got the information from the own army. they've got the information from intelligence services in the region. so in terms of, if it does though, really exists, we are beyond allegations now we are beyond acquisitions. the reason why for the past 2 big kids, the dfcs last 6 me, it's a people which is a shocking that you would even say 6000000 who conflict in the wild predicts
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6000000 casualties index. it is because there is a culture of improvements in new york by the girlfriend peanuts it can only hand through justice because when we have 6000000 people that in europe, it different action was taken in the or see the was a proposal of having an international tribunal for the r c that's not being implemented. we know the perpetrators, we normally, it shows this the blessing, the congo, but no punitive actions is that, can we hear condemnation? uh, a few days ago the united states for that is set up on a router. you, when we report how, how, how, how statements, how helpful our statements, a strong statement for the united states. what does that do? how many lives that safe after to the kids? he doesn't, but in the case of the united uh, united states, we don't need the stick man anymore. what we need is the action actually implementing the own law. the difference with the united states is that they actually have a law. all the d r. c, public law, one know, 9456,
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the democratic republic of congo released to create a democracy promotional act of 2006, which a number of obama se, but possible seats. it has a 6 this lock nearly states in the section $1.00 to $5.00. that the setup of states, which is to the secretary blinking has the power to revolt aids, to a new mission, the step lice of the coma. so this is actually a us, la secretary blink him and he's visiting the r c. if you, if you years ago, he himself say that the evidence presented by the united, that initial group of expertise, credible yet the fail to implement on the why was say it's failing a career. let me just bring you in here just a moment that i showed human rights watch page here. d, all. com go mass grace tied to ro, wind up at m 23 even say allegedly allegedly but i'm tied to a one to back m 23. you know this fish or 3, you know, just just to say that human rights watch conducted over
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a 100 interviews in person in coma and over the phone between march and may i, as i mentioned we, we've published 2 uh, 2 investigations. um, we documented them no killings, cases are free by and 23 fighters between october and march and differential cottages in the city and. and the tribute territories we documented cases of exclusive weapons which injured and killed civilians in uh, it must be c, i n t, c c. we documented the presence of equities, 14 must please cases of executions. um and, and, but we've also found between may and focus 2022, how the clinical is on me. and that goes to some of the issues that somebody raised, the communities on me with the, with the coordination of what is militia,
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as well as the democratic forces for that information. to wonder if this by it's ok for me. i have committed a serious clients including great and have and have triggered uh ethnic featured against a, a to, to communities. oh, well not to say that. uh, obviously we take note of the, of the statement that the one to the government has, as a, has put out. it's a, are almost want to say that it's a familiar position to be a to be. it's not, it's not just be subject to rather than a couple of other governments when you're doing investigation on human rights validations, whether they africans or wisdom governments. so that is uh, that goes without saying that obviously we, i would, documentation has so uncovered a serious claims. we are calling for a forensic preservation of evidence calling for an end uh
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to the support. uh, 223. we calling for a uh shipment. why send you diligence policy to be within the original 1st appointment that you stuff the can community deployment that is ongoing. um and finance. uh we really uh calling on regional shipment y substitutions. specialist to you when or the for commission on human and people's rights to carry out investigation. i mean, i know here's the call, but off the 20th is anyone listening? well, the should be and wish will continue. right. let me really on the roof. i want to bring in a fellow journalist a, her name is wendy basher. it is not just for one day who is involved in the instability of the democratic republic of congo. many more interests are involved as well. when deep ashley spelt it out, i love you to pick up on the back of what she says and tell us more. he's wendy
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festival. today the interest of uganda and of and one that ended ya see, a can be put on one aspect. i mean, for me, it's the economy aspect. as we all know, the jesse is very rich, the country as gold, diamonds, uranium cobalt, and many other things. and these facts can be one of the reasons why many of the country, it's not on a rhonda and uganda, many of the country in the great lakes. i really interested in taking power and control of the g. c. yeah, thank you so much. well uh, what, when do you see? she's talking about you guys are and rhonda. yeah. till now. i mean, until now we have evidence that dwanda is been back by. it's been by came to entities and contributing to the conflict that is happening in the, in the, in the last people. but when it comes to your grandeur,
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the comment is government has been very clear about the position that you then to has in this conflict. because i mean, i think what the company's a government have has these have been, uganda is a security interest. because if we look at, for example, the operation she's out is that he's being held by the u pdf together with the congress army in the producers of a tory and not capable of fighting against the 8080. if so, i mean the company is a government has much, he gets it clearly what the position of we are going to eat in this coffee, but also the testimony from the cyber society. what driving the same floor in the ground, in those regions which are ok paid to pay that. and since it's available, that being said, things like that we used to see at the braces of, of different um and such as of the neighboring countries. testimonies are they, bye for now. evidence shows that rhonda is the one section and since it's
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a movement, but when it comes to add a neighboring countries, they come with this government hasn't, hasn't, hasn't said it already. okay. all right, so on you cheve up just some thoughts here. some of you, as a writer, says were when the dnc domestic, massive, but the bigger picture and the root cause is about the rich mean was, is this about money? symbolic it is about the resources and the history of the coal assistance model. they found in 1985, 14 glo, full control of the taking us way back. he was actually for rubber that we use for the car, the tires, about purchasing bicycles, right? we go today to 45. we bought. com. was there any i'm you can have your shoot me and like i was like, i was under batch in hans today from 96 to present the colors we noticed as we are the center of model. let technology you won't have your cellphone. yeah, that's a so and we've outcome was minerals, but what's important to see and to connected back to what has happened to ship is that the crime scene to ship is spelled the 1st time it happens. it has happened
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for 2 decades in 1998 massacres, documented by you and go public, but got a rebecca guard where 200000 civilians presumably were killed. all these appear so nice thing, not even interest. you're going to this atrocities for us. why kill civilians? it's a technical displacements. whenever you want. must a critics, if in the, is in public ripping women, if public those things out to terrorize the population. when it happens in your community tomorrow, you are not going to be in the same area because you're afraid we have mass displacements over 5000000 because some estimates from 2 to 5000000 in front of the display screen with these last issue, days to months. if you use us sing development of mining coefficients in those cuz you pay the people out normally. my uncle, so you also have disposition of lands where i pollution left the king of the lance . but for that too and, and that's where at least for sarah,
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what we have spending is until there is justice. they cannot be peace. so we are signing disagreement and disagreements with people who committed the crime yesterday. so they'd be, must like a civilians. thank you. once i ripped women mcewen's a 2008 is still surprising to me, seeing if you, which is about call m 232 red women. and to should have done that before. but what has happened when they kind of built into agreement, the 72008, give them an estate. and that's why also some of the, the implementation of i prove it becomes a problem. how do you give a rebel leader a but how do you, i'm this before ripping women. how do you welcome at that? right. so that becomes a much more complex, but we don't believe that just dealing with the m $23.00 is the solution has to be dealt with the original level. you'll run that and you've done that in 2012. the stopping of of $23.00 was to the committee commission. what actually happened? the united states, we have a to run. that was
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a pro money to measure in 2013. we saw the m 23. these appear pretty much busing this the, the going to cease fire it, they could lead or they are coming back. but the same nature of picking in 2012. it's not what's happening now. this seems to be some form of i think one department, i'm probably so take a closer and maybe a couple of things that i want to share with you cutting you can assess. i'll go 2nd huh. go ahead. yeah, no, i just wanted to equal what somebody just said and just to reinforce the fact that commenting in to talk in 2021, we see a president you security approving of trying to build roads linking. you've gone to, to uh, to, to, to campbell, and at some obviously analysis have the major around the fact that that is also a driving factor in the, in the regional in the regional dynamics. so you've dundas escalating military and
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economy engagement in the seat because while these rules are being constructed, there was, is a deployment of thank you. yes. so you have, obviously, when the actual, the, some of the seas colton, for instance, and up in wonder, but also significant amount is able to, to, you kind of the up. we're not gonna where the 1st, the 1st inclusion of the i'm 23 happened. so obviously you have all these, the nexus between 6 minerals, a revolution unemployed in boxes that has really faced for the kids now. all right, so can we, let me bring in some, some, some more voices into our conversation to so what is hit for some of the people who are also involved the u. n. h c r. then as a couple of thoughts, this one is really important about displacement and company is already frank. why would you knew so many people out of the way to get to the manuals his and jelly
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laquon situation of displacement in the d. c is part of it is a situation whereby we have some 6300000 into and i need the space people to sing the friends with the fifty's is that different across? i need to imagine that we have $523000.00 plus receives originating from macon building counties. we have more than 1000000 communities of cds in building counties. a huge displaced p for refugee classes that he's not making the headlines every day . and why we talking about this today because of the humanitarian crisis, the sexual violence. i want you to key, and i want you earlier about one person's experience because this one person is many people in eastern congo, have a list and have
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a look in court placement. and i should because of the crisis we have in the camp 2 weeks ago. i went looking for would like the other women do to sell it so that i could buy salt and so, but there we found 4 men armed with machetes, wheat fled, but i tripped on a stone and fell down. 3 of these men followed my 2 friends, and the last one had stayed with me and raped me. i couldn't scream because he told me that if i screamed, he would kill me with his machete. so it was a not taking the violence from m $23.00 united nations. secretary general was aust, about work where i was am 23, getting the weapons from. and this is what he told a friend a front 24 interview. and they also is a what she doesn't say that have them live imply, take them for somebody like his own to see them. you have the most as you are aware . and the reason for these are reason demonstrations is the fact that the united
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nation is not able to defeat the em 23 2nd land. but the truth is that the m 23 today is a modern arm with heavy equipment that is more advanced and the equipment stuff on disco, the level of the school is going to do one, does have this equipment, does it come from lawanda? in the past, they come from somewhere someplace julia and you seem to say, yes, they come from somewhere somewhere nearby. they were not born in the forest. they come from somewhere green on youtube. one of, as us says that i've noticed this issue in the democratic republic of congo, nobody is held accountable for them this green bearing in mind the human rights watch report. how is a calculated but to achieve, where does the justice come from? okay. think jessica should come 1st from due to paris,
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so kimberly's customers and they still bundled government but it also comes from a concerted effort to put pressure on both governments to investigate the up uses that not just human rights watch, but other institutions including including the u n, a group of experts have documented you mentioned the, the human determined 6 situation, which is sort of um, when you, when you see what can i say, sions like and assess. so say that they provide a catch of 674 survivors of sexual violence in the, in 2 weeks. the last 2 weeks of april. um, when you see about caps for 15000 people? correct? yes, one sentence, the finish. oh, full. go ahead with the end of the shay. so just to say that accountability is a must to break the cycle of abuse and actually stocks and folding and implementing and the agenda that will stick, right?
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