tv NEWSHOUR Al Jazeera June 24, 2023 1:00pm-2:01pm AST
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space of stay feel safe anymore. what happens on that day is a will quite those coming out of the region across the lines and know that the level of destruction here, proof of just how fits the fighting has been in recent weeks this russian or don't some on a street has been a place of pilgrimage for centuries. the . the hello i'm about to send in business. the news are live from don't coming up in the next 60 minutes. and usually in russia, wagner, emotionally, you say they've taken control of military installations in the southern city overall cellphone done. we will defend the country from internal trees in president vladimir putin. stress is a harsh response to the rebellion. the head of the group refutes children this
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accusation of treason and the bonds. a meeting with the russians military leadership of charles stratford, reporting from the roach above smooth in eastern ukraine where ukrainian soldiers say they are going to explore the tales on the rushing control sides. the front line, the, the leader of the wagner. most of the groups, as the russian president is deeply mistaken, that is, fighters will not turn themselves in. the beginning, precaution has called for a rebellion against the army. and as far as, as sees control of military facilities in southern russia, and then address to the nation present in fact, to be a present called as a stop in the back. it drives to punish those behind the mutiny mark level begins. our coverage of this video appears to show wagner forces and the leader you have
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any progression entering military headquarters in raw stone, one of the city that somebody's view, it in a subsequent video is seated between senior come on. does one of whom had early abroad costs the video urging precaution to reconsider his rebellion, order the mess and re bosses his main control important sites in the city? enough within subscribe. you see him so we are in the headquarters. it's 7 30 am military installations including the field, enroll stalls under our control. somebody act roscoe and schedule are no problems. we took control to prevent f o strikes against as to the fullest can continue attacks on the ukrainians units of them. is there any tension between wagner and the crime lens armed forces escalate to join the battle of boston? moved with a mess. and res played a crucial role in the drawing out fight to capture the city. but precaution accuses
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the russian army combined is of withholding ammunition and other supplies from his men. ingenuous, you'd see more recently russia ordered. wagner medicine raise to sign contracts with the russian defense ministry. by the end of june. russia's military leadership is accusing precaution of carrying out an arm. the mutiny was the last night. you must do this before it's too late, obeyed the will and come on to be elected. president of the russian federation stopped to come when we return to bases and places where you will stationed security and moscow has been tightened. military vehicles can be seen, guardian, government buildings in rushes, capital precautions says he come on. 25000 men with mo reported to be joining button is rank, as they made their way into russ stuff. well in st. petersburg, police rated wagner, his headquarters, mike, level elders, era. a rush as president. does that give me a solution?
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says the move by wagner. forces is treason and said, decisive action will be taken because he does have questions too. we will defend our country. we will defend our nation. we will defend our citizens against the threats we face today. some people are trying to use their interest against our country. we need to make sure that we are fighting in ukraine for the sake of our country and be sure the traders must not be there. a lot of people have sacrificed their lives for russia and those that are trying to so rebellion and create chaos, and it will fail ultimately pretty. but it automatically is getting precautions as rushed as president is mistaken. unlock the advisors. are patriots not to trace the model of the country with just the planes that leaf will come back to work and rush as offensive against ukraine are leaving as normal. they aren't any problems, medical aircraft, or leaving them no problems. all they did was take the yellow drum under control, so that'd be a tech eviction. did not strike us, but strike ukrainians while the property. and yet the main commanding center photo
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shows offensive and ukraine is functioning as normal. there aren't any problems at all, not one officer has been pried away from their work. so when that should allow me tell you that the private military company, back in a, has obstructed the work of the army, which was up to them, things crumbling on the front things, but not comment on the front. because of this, when he came here to rest on don, we confirmed a lot of new things. a huge amount of territories have been lost. soldiers have been killed, 3 or 4 times more than what it saves and documents shown to the top leadership. ok, we're going to cost to most of the speak with you to the shop of all of us who's there for us. i you're, you're joining us on the phone. let's talk more about if get any precautions. reaction to these accusations by price of inputs. and once they've been saying, yeah, yeah, so well, basic patient to the nation level, mr. pacing vouchers, finding some good future on the east identity and the that of course, he's in russia will not allow the country can be divided. they will protect 6 people. and he also mentioned the context with ukraine saying that the entire
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western military machine was directed against russia. the patient, indeed called the situation of the country treason, saying that any internal unrest is a deadly rep to the state and to the people. and the progression have now reacted to patients was about treason saying the president was deeply wall, is that they are patriots meeting while himself. and he's both defined to, according the patriots of the country. and he said that they would continue finding thing for the country. they've continued slicing corruption line and the bureaucracy in the country. so basically we're getting some additional reactions get to as well from a foreign ministry spokeswoman for. for example, the, she said that the unity within the country is needed and probably the same was that we had trauma the for the president then of, for what present me treatment the better. oh, the, it looks like
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a new form of expression of loyalty to like any pays in the, the russian on for says on the telegram and channels and other networks officials and as in the account, right, that's a while they, they post the name, region and organization saying that we all with the presidents are so basically we also have some, some reports, some kind of gram channels that associated with the blog and the group. i claim that the classes with the ministry of defense in the barone is region and military correspondence that ride the bus to work of ation along the full highway. but we comes immediately verify those reports. also they investigate to commit to the russian investigate committee has launched a criminal case against precaution and d. c. appealed to the places of devolved in a group and asked them to be pain free, goshen and the arrow on the head of the dog and the cold on his supposes to join
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the ranks of his ministry company. and so todd, the so called k o from the country thing, and that was not submitted. she could, that was in march of justice yearly. i'm just looking at some of the agency pictures that we're getting from the central moscow at the moment. and it does actually seem to be fairly quiet there, but i do know that security is being stepped up across russia. what have you been hearing a well, that's absolutely right. some admitted treat personnel carriers and other vehicles that could be seen in the streets of most guys. but generally your ride people say that the counselors pre comma the bomb and the security measures have been tightened in moscow. and they'll just must go and other regions of russia, t and here, all the most important facilities have been taken on the protection. there are also reports that all the public activities have been canceled and things like problems at schools and other bad news. i've been post pun uh, by the way,
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i just forgot to mention as administrative defense and their own also issued an official statement addressing finances of development groups saying that they had going bold and precautions, criminal activities and participated in in an on the rebellion. and well they, they should actually, they, they also guaranteed everyone's safety. defiance is the runs. and as we see, there are reports by state media outlets saying that there's some fine cuz that it returns to that initial position as they have been off by the all me, i'm well open the publications of progressions, that is, well basically some sources that publish the precautions and it's statements and a well actually, and the officer was seeing his actions. it seems that we haven't seen a lot of clashes between wagner and the regular on the basically the report that the marketing group not controlled the command center and the number of security
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and military facilities took his specialists. he's in the russian at southern city of ross called the including and asked failed, but according to reports, ministry playing back continue carrying out the mission. so according to some security services, well, the situation of been seconds he's going on in verona ish because some say that's a come come on to a sense is you have also been captured by bought into that. that said those reports hadn't been officially confirmed. and also they've been pictures trying precaution . negotiating was too high ranking on a january rolls unit, dec you've kura, then general alex says, and they were warning progression about consequences of his actions. uh said basically, progression claim that the blog and that forces had shown down ahead had shut down, had to cope to that open fine on a civilian convoy. well, the sources reported back to me had to cope this firing at several valid and that
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vehicles in the gulf region that information has been officially confirmed. i that said we do keep monitoring the developing pain most. okay. yeah, thank you very much indeed. got see others have a lot of talking to us from law school and the phone will joining is not something you have schools alley hush, i'm not. you're not done yet. skita across the border for most of them done very much of the activity is taking place. it is difficult at the moment as we know to get information out upfront. most of on going to find out what's going on as far as you're aware, what's being happening as well since this morning. the whole operation by wagner was centralized. in resolve the wagner troops went into the city without any resistance to control of the command center that and as we saw and we had also from you. yeah, the come on that off the wagner group, your guinea pig, goshen made the video. i want to be at the old you response to the president over
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the speech. he stayed away from using harper schwartz towards the president's by, for example, saying that he is not saying the truth. however, i didn't really go directly to attack the president then it's, it's clear that he wants to keep kind of an association with the country on this stablish went away from his food with the uh, with the, with the government, all with the military commanders. now, in, in draw stopped for now what we know is that the volume that are in control also on the way to the bottom edge. they have also some activities to be posted a video of a photo of a headache up that was hit all about this needs to be confirmed. also all the structures such as lift this, this is another uh city uh to the north of uh, 1st of is that the wagner troops also claim to have control off without any
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resistance. now since yesterday voc knows that come on the beginning for gordon said that he is going to have to work well. so because of the defense minister launched his did the what, what site do i'd like those come under the same as an attack on his troops from it'll still then that he's going that for us for that kind of a revenge. now how is this impacting the situation? nobody hearings and yes, there is nothing in the city. however we've been hearing for the past hours bombardment out of the city. the defense ministry also claimed that the ukrainians enforces our trip setting for a scoundrel fences. all things have been bought fluids, and this is also part of the repercussions of what's happening. so the president, the, the russian presence is right now in front of really didn't just cross throw the either engaging with uh, wagner truths, minutes early. and this could oppose the threats on the civil law that i might ignite the civil war in the country or accept whatever it is. uh,
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wagner is actually, is, is requesting. and this will undermine the minutes re establishment of the country and the time of what's washer cause a special put ation a lot. and then the weight of the of the water ukraine. yeah. that you were saying there that time um you're getting into goshen has been staying away from criticizing president, put in he has of i in his most recent stipend said, but nobody plans to turn themselves in on putting this order which does bring the 2 of them a bit close to what company coming back to you, of course, in the next couple of hours to find out what the latest developments but for now the hash and thank you very much. well as be no pause in rushes offensive in your train, we're going to cost life to jonah health and keep, how is all of this and being viewed in key 1st of all, the so obviously that will be watching it extremely closely. not just the political leadership heating key, but the ministry leadership as well. we've had some comments from presidents that
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lensky who's taking the telegram with a rather long post, the crying overnight miss. all the tax on target. told her you, craig, once again saying that it is all happening by the will of one man. i'm saying that russia's weakness is not obvious. as long as russia keeps its troops and messengers on our land. he says that more chaos pain and problems will come to it later. most specifically, the comments from the kind of part of the x and advise that to presidents are lensky. and we've heard lots of people suggesting that. what if it does happen next in russia? good will happen very swiftly that appears to be the view as well. among the political leadership and the quoted me kind of part of the act talking about the next 48 hours. i'm saying they will determine what he describes as the new states is in russia. either a fully fledged civil war or a contractual transition to power for a temporary rest spite before the next stage, before the preaching regime. oh, of course they will not have any better idea than anyone else about what he's going
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to happen next. militarily, though it could have much stronger bearings and ramifications on the process of the war itself. and the ministry analyst here will be watching very close. the or the vessel sees the satellite imagery and so on to see what they can glean about what's happening. and most of them don't, it is absolutely 5 to minutes. we sense it for the war. here it is the face of the southern military district which is operating and controlling almost all of the battlefield here, a new crime, they'll be looking at ways in which that may be disrupted. they'll be looking at infrastructure that may be disrupted roots of resupply and reinforcement. for the full season in the security operation that is going on there. and they'll be looking specifically as well as points on the very long front line here in ukraine with a view to counter offensive offensive that's been going on to several weeks now. probing russia's defense is that a number of points that want to know or try to understand just how many of those block the messengers have been re deployed from positions that they have been
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holding and defending along the battlefield. to mainland russia. thinking of places like back most big city in the east that was full. tell you that specifically by far the most nice they'll be looking to see where the little holes are exposed, the for them to exploit. and then we'll sort of course be looking to see the composition of russian forces along the front line. see if that's not the 1st line of defense, but really rush loans. he's russia needing to re deploy some of its key assets on the ground, and ukraine to support you to attempt to see a fog. the messenger is in russia itself. don't exist as you're talking to us. we can see behind you the workman there who are beginning to clear up the dead breed. there have been airstrikes happen there over the last few hours or so. tell us about those to the yeah, it's a pretty thrilled receipt here. in a reminder, as if any were needed that there is very much, it was still going on and it is going on away from the front lines in the south on
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the east t. if it is the night at 5 barrel, i shall have miss south some 20 cruise missiles fired the capital. for the 8th time this month alone and defenses were able to bring all of them down. we are told by the cities victory administration spots that creates debris in the and that debris store full somewhere. and it appears that a large piece of me solved debris potentially containing payload, unexploded this high rise apartment building sizing, and the new one was holding 3 sides of it, igniting a fire across 3 stories. 3 people known to have died rescue work is believe that could be for the victims. and here where i'm standing, a big player operation underway, an enormous degree field. he of folding masonry furniture from those apartments and so on. i don't know if a lot of people coming here to take a look. joe. thank you very much, john hall in key. we're going to get a view from the front lines about these dramatic developments we've been talking
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about. child stratford is joining us on the road to bob motor in eastern ukraine. you've been in a village on the front line with some of the fighters. they've talked us through what you and the team i've been seeing, not just very of course, but obviously in the last couple of hours since all this stuff has been happening in the last couple and on that's right. yeah. you join us on the road to bus mood, of course, that town that was taken control of by russian forces in a relative recent weeks and a town that was taking control. busy of with the fundamental role of the wagner group. we know that certainly according to ukrainian full sees, they've saying that since his counter offensive is still active, they're claiming to have made certain games and trying to re take control of buff moved from the south, south east and south west of pushing news. but of course, the some news that we're hearing now has potentially huge impacts on this counter offensive. and interesting we've,
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we've been speaking some training and soldiers in this area. they describing it as a big day for ukraine. one soldier saying that they would now going to in his book, exploring the tails on the russian side or the russian control side of the front line around buck moved and a huge rush in full. she's hauled in that area and we're we're ready hearing report certainly on telegram that we kind of independently verify all the smooth gains being made in the last few hours or so. but of the sites we cannot independently verify that what we can tell you though, is that we have seen increased troop movement in this area. this morning. we saw helicopters that are designed to carry troops to the front. in this area, there's been a lot of heavy shilling as well. both incoming and outgoing smoke rising to my right of the camera. so yeah, the situation is very tense here, but the morale amongst the great info sees it seems to have been boyd by this news
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that we've been looking at. 2 separate points along this 1000 kilometers upfront line to try and gauge the difficulties that ukraine in full seas of facing in the early stages of this counter offensive. and this is our report, a russian full series of withdrawal and from what remains of this part, the village. its people fled or destroyed ukrainian military vehicles. these toad from the battlefield. did. russian soldiers in the gross ukrainian ministry last week announced it had complete the re taking the village of stores ever. but that's not quite true. the pricing you can see here is as a result of the russian it strikes yesterday. you're currently military, you're telling us that's low, they please. so they say the majority of this village, there is still ongoing fighting on the outskirts and they say they are facing fish
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resistance, promotion policies. ukraine's counter offensive was expected for months that gave russian forces time to prepare the 2 gods. they have strong app on the lots of infantry supported by heavy onto it and then moving slowly towards us, but with killing them. but we're conducting small defensive operations on the outskirts of the village along the forest line. but there were many mines worked around 200 kilometers. no. the russian occupied town of camina barrels off the barrel eligibility to refine. it goes through the forest ukrainian soldiers here on the russian positions or a few 100 meters away. ukrainian forces. we took this area julia counselor, offensive last summer. nita side has made major bones for months. but as you create an army, began to prove a weakness in russian defense, east of the south. things here began to change. it
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is just who it is. i'm just honestly, there is nothing good here. visitation is very dense. well, the new list of clinical by itself, the end of the trench, come on to tells us to take a couple of because russian helicopter gunship like in the area with you, there is constant 5 for more to is tillery helicopters, as strikes and small arms, their sole top position in small groups, they're trying to break through to capture an important supply route hauled go often early days says ukraine and it's and they towed back as if they ever is a decisive breakthrough. it could take months, cello, stuff without a 0 eastern new grain. well, the southern city, a little stubborn dawn is about a 1100 kilometers from moscow. the governor of the new pet screeching in central russia. i said a russian military convoy was on the m for most of what you make connects most go
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to southern regions including last of and on and voted as the most ways now reported serving closed to meet you baba, she's a political honest, who is joining us now live from moscow, thank you very much indeed for being with us. how do you see this playing out as well? i don't see any of the possible outcome bob stuff, because surrender, or maybe some kind of a deal between human domine stroke defense. but certainly, wagner group will not exist and, and longer and it's kind of information because let me remind you that fortune never seems to pressure. that is, he is a very important the element of his character you and during that there is that so when confidence of people were count as human shields, he never seen the depression. the more pressure was important to him. the caution was his response. what business rewarding had been personally connected to fulton for many years and origin bellingers his friends. so important allowed him to
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criticize the minister of defense and many other things. but in the last few days, reward him just stop and speaking like your brain and propaganda. i mean missing because he is late, just didn't give you. so uh the fact that he basically turned against the government, the guys, the country. uh, you know, i talked to a lot of people in law school, they are all against because and they will say that we need unity. and now you know the times of more and no one supports you. uh, because uh it is audrea so that, that he is a successful businessman, but that doesn't mean human here. oh, you know, russian does not have a traditional private thomas except the village over there, a civil law. and roger has no traditional media treat cool. it's not a single immediately cool, was successful in russia. there was uh, just divinely and $1825.00, which failed. so she's 3 is on oregon side in the situation. and the majority of
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the population, the public opinion is on the side of what you said. the one possible outcome of this would be a deal that would be done with each county, but it goes in with regard to to wagner. what do you think he would settle for? it's uh, i don't know exactly the sofa there could be in the story until yesterday. people are made to use the miles from what am you nation? probably for more money. but i also don't see you how regarding can modulate despite the so to go against moscow. because what is the word that's get his money for all to be the soul just from the russian state budget little business. so going against more school is basically destroying the sources for, for he is the private music company, which was low, don't opt at the american company such as black, what the academy would use the most of the bloody work during the iraq. you will, you know, i think the logical direction government was that if americans have private
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community company is if this is the more than the low fat, we should do something similar. unfortunately, the experiments failed and we saw it this morning with regard to the, the actual fighting itself so far and precautions man have been able to take over the headquarters and also and on. they've also taken taken action in about an issue as well. and they have not really faced any sort of response. it's going to be critical, isn't it for president put in to be able to show that he can motivate his troops against the wagner fighters. and that might not be as easy as perhaps kremlin might hold. you know, i don't expect to any successful why once these people have been fighting side by side against the ukrainian specialist for the last 15 months, i don't expect any bloodshed between them. i think that the just needs to be some
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explanation from the government which has already been done and the may be negotiations. so we'd be more than just to have him surrender peacefully. i don't see how he can be successful in this situation. there's simply no ground for, for me to take wind rush. all right, now we are talking, of course that's about the beginning promotion there. um, we are also talking about the wagner fighters who are very hard and fighters who has a, i have, as you say, been fighting alongside the russian military for many months now. and indeed are across the world. does really sound as though it's going to be that easy for the russian military to be able to seize control of the wagner group when these men have been fighting, as they would say, on behalf of russia for so long. so i think some kind of the way uh, negotiate the deal will be reached and i don't expect to repressions against the find us on right now because they do perform very important to me since e in girlfriends abroad. i think it just,
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that's just the wrong person. the big was in there is a bottle for public opinion reduction, which is on the hype. be about the way the war is being led. people sometimes say we need the top for mattress, such as so striking at the fields in pool and uh, who did resolve disney against it. so uh, recorded and tried to use this in the he is propaganda, but that is still not the majority to russian society is actually just the bottom of the segments of society that would be fine to meet you about as we appreciate you being with us and i'll just, you know, so thank you very much indeed for your time. thank you. say i want to bring in, so you're good. yeah. go who's life for us in london. okay. what's the reaction being to all of this across the european capitals as well, there's already been a steady stream of response to the, the events a festival. where's the european council? president shaw michelle. the open council of course being the body that brings
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together the leaders of the e. u. member countries saying that it is closely monitoring the situation. i'm saying that while this is clearly an internal russian issue, the you support the ukraine august president for a lot to me is a landscape was on wavering. there's also been a regular intelligence update by the british defense ministry where it says that over the coming hours, the loyalty of russia, security forces, especially the russian national guard, will be key to how this crisis plays out. and it represents the most significant challenge to the russian states. in recent times, the, the m a d had also said that developed the group forces, had crossed over from interruption and in at least 2 locations. and almost certainly occupied key security sites, interest of on don't ons. it's also states that with very limited evidence sufficing. again, according to the british ministry defense between the wagner and russian security
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forces, some have likely remain passive acquiescing to evolve nets. nato is also closely monitoring the situation as well as all your european leaders from australia to poland, germany. it's the front of o issued statements. it's least saying that the assault on ukraine is causing instability within russia from sol. so is facing that. it is staying focused on it support to you credit, and this is where it's interesting because france is one of the countries that has an interesting connection with the wagner group as well. let's not forget that for us. how to pull out his troops for molly, and that since that have been report. so the wagner group, feeling that back to you, that the french force pull out has done. it's a, this could potentially present to an opportunity for friends to go back to countries in africa that have also the pronounce of french forces and said, look,
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if you turn to the bottom of it, this is what's happening right now. this potentially looks like it could be a cause of instability. for those african countries, i'm from se will likely try to make potentially an argument for staying puts, or indeed going back, returning to friends, to for defense purposes, as of the most stabilizing force within the region. and of course, the get that with the french troops pull out a cut in money last year at that air is particularly prone to security issues as well. of course being the, the gateway for all kinds of security issues. and the saw how sonya, you go in london. sonya, thank you very much. indeed. alexander of old club is a, is a security and defense policy analyst on the editor in chief of the swiss military view. he says russians military is expected to launch a strong response in the next 24 hours. and
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it's very serious challenges, not so much for the russian, the military to fight, despite what we are hearing, but definitely for the position of the russian presence. it is very interesting to note that all of the criticism tax by progressions have c against the unit latree. this escalades is to direct confrontation criticism of the military leadership and the command. but he has always been very careful not to criticize directly political leadership. the situation for russia now, he is to react extremely quickly to this insurgency, to this we value. so within the next 24 hours, a very strong response is to be expected of the numbers and mary's knowing exactly
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what is going to happen, which is the most probably we can expect. and they are expecting a helicopter airborne this falls by special forces, by special forces from the military or the ministry of the interior. because the next 24 hours may be decisive. and this is why they have seized a number of military prospectors, logistical interest factors. probably haven't got them their hands onto some very powerful lessons command centers and so they are going to resist and, and tie with uh, bear with me directly. so it will not change the dynamics of the complex because the units of the russian are the majority. generally are tasked with defending portions of the front line. and so these units are going to stay in place in their bunkers inches and they are going to continue assuming their mission
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. and in order to fight against this rebellions, new forces are going to be necessary and they're going to probably come not from the front line, but from other areas of the russian federation at the same time over the longer term. yes, there is concern over how the russian military is going to face the ukrainian pressure and the 2nd semester counter attack. there are 2 problems that are going to happen. uh, 1st of all, all of these forces that are going to be committed to dealing with the rebellion are not going to be available in order to rotate in and out. i'm trying to relieve the forces that are there. and number 2, all of this, munitions that has been essentially stolen or, or taken by, uh, wagner, is not going to be available in the just x axis to some of these units in
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this house is essentially cost. while this insurgency is under way. okay, let's recap, the latest developments for you coming out of russia, where the head of the wagner mastery group has rebelled against moscow's military leadership. wagner, chief jenny precautions such as fighters are russian patriots. i'm will not surrender. precautions says president vladimir putin was wrong to call him a traitor or the storage in the after the treatment, the president is deeply wrong. we are patriots of a homeland. we have been fighting and we are fighting now all over right now. no one is going to turn themselves in on demand of the president, the f s. b or anyone else. because we do not want any more for our country to live in. corruption lies and bureaucracy. when we were fighting in africa, they told us that they need that. and then they just gave it all up because they embezzled all the money that was supposed to help us. when we were asked to fight
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and ukraine, we came to fight, but they also stole everything, including ammunition, weaponry and funds. because the state officials was saving at old. something like what's happening right now when someone is marching on moscow. now they are not saving anything. they using planes and helicopters, the shooting vehicle convoys, west civilians are moving as well. and then they shoot the civilians as they're missing. they shoot wherever this is why we are the patriots. and those who are against us are the ones defending the scumbags. vladimir putting, give a ton of all his address urging units, he added, accusing the wagner, chief of committing treason, the appeal to wagner fighters to abandon precaution, and said those who don't will face harsh punishment. the wagner chief precaution says, as far as of taking control of military sites and the city overall stuff on done as also mean fighting reports of in the bottom next reason what a fuel definitely is on fire. okay, let's go back to our correspondence. have been following the story. hopefully jonah
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home is going to be giving us the reaction from keith. we're also going to be speaking to him about the russian air strikes there. be hash him isn't done yet. and sonya diego is following the developments from london. first, we're going to go to the shop of oliver in moscow. yearly at just run this through for viewers or just joining us. what has been happening over the last few hours, particularly in relation to the statements that were made by if you need to grossman following the comments that were made by president bruton or yeah, but before i would like to start with the latest legitimate page and it has informed presidents of the levers context on and was back a song about the situation in russia, so he does speak to the world right now and previously, and his speech as you mentioned, mr. page and has said that roches financing for its future and its identity and bill for us, he's of russia will not allow the country to be divided. they will protects its
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people. and preaching also mentioned the conflict in ukraine, saying the entire western ministry machine was against russia. he called the situation in the country treason, and the internal betrayal, saying that any internal unrest is a deadly threats to the states and to the russian people. and as we see on here, mister progression has not reacted to patients was about the treason a saying the president was deeply wrong. he refused to surrender. well, actually, i said that they were patriots of the country and they would find for the country. they continue fighting, they will continue financing a corruption and view role course in the country. according to the progression around ministers showing how the ride and the russian city, a real store on doing to passively carry out bill peroration to destroy the von going to group. and the armed forces use the helicopters and gunners to destroy
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a blog and that so now for goshen is ready to find find while the russian ministry defense obviously denies only accusations against that's also where gaining reactions here, the foreign ministry, a sparks a woman, a cold on, on the russians to unite within the country and appropriate the same thing we've had from full a full month before from full, my minutes of prime minister and present me. truman bad. if it also seems like there is the new form of expression of loyalty, it's of legitimate person and the russian armed forces. officials in the social networks rights uh, the name of the region and the name of the organization with was we are with the president. so also summit attending from channels associated with the wagner group claim. that's the clashes with the ministry of defense in the bar owners region and the ministry correspondence write about the work of aviation, that alone
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b m for most of way. but we cons immediately verify those reports of the investigative committee say it has launched a criminal case against the progression on the f as b's, and i also and the, the organization, the security services also appealed to the finances of development group and asked them to detain pre goshen. so in their own, they had a dog and a quote on his support has joined the ranks of his military company and sold how's the chaos as he coded in the country, saying that it was not a military cruise that it wasn't much of justice and also we're also a guessing report was that there is a possibility that a states of imagines to come to introduce here in moscow unit. just as you're being talking to us, we can see sorts of central moscow just behind you. and i can see is of some, as well on the agency feeds that we're getting here. they do seem as though a life is kind of coming on as normal, but i understand that security has been stepped up around russia. tell us more
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about that. and indeed, security measures have been tightened and the number of regions of russia as well as in most go hand most go on to terrorist measures, have been taken and then to juice on. the police controlled the roads around most of the most, cuz well, several find a trance, was supported in the it is on region, also huge traffic drop. it is not reported on the and for doing the most way in the real stove, and we're rolling as regions. hundreds of people have the stock that since friday evening. there are also reports about the vehicles on the roads of those regions, some homage. well, previously we saw some homage ministry personnel carriers on the streets of mosca. but generally, as he said, people, people say that's a capital looks precinct, come now. usually i thank you very much indeed. you'll yourself
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a valuable bring us up to date from moscow. we're going to go to don't yet, on the hash them is there for us. no, you haven't done yet. sco rosco buttons on is across the border in russia. it's difficult to get information out of there as to what's been going on. but from what you know, what is the situation there at the moment? what's been going on in the last few hours or so were up since this may. busy restore what the sense of all these alterations the wagner group march into the city, and took control of the central command center right now we're hearing that they are a besieging that most of the government buildings that as for the uh, command off uh the wagner group, the beginning, goshen since yesterday he said that he is going to to the store because it's a place as you said when he claims that the defense ministry launched its attacks on his false. ready and that he's going to revenge for his forces. now what we know
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is that all roads to run from restore while blocked, and the fights is of button on the streets of the city. now that we had some time to buy a few people to kind of for taskbar, they were uh they were uh, there was a track down on them. uh, some pictures came across the telegram channels from the, from the town, from the city. um, now the issue is that what's happened now is just re positioning wagner and big goshen from being the president's chef to the enemy of the states and from the fact to states within it states to a someone imposing award and the time before. and this is, this is a very difficult situation to put in it's facing, but also, yeah, it's kind of cross draw. it's either to go and engage mid it totally with a wagner. and this could ignite the civil war in the country or just accept
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whatever a volume that is requesting. and this was on the mind. the minute 3. however, what we are hearing now statements from a republics under a rough shot such as chechnya, such and such as disney x, kia, they are a volume the agents to the president and stuff. but i'm gonna. busy cut you off the head of the, the president of the church, destiny, who's fight that is also fighting on the ukrainian front sun. we can see them hear about in june. yes. these evolved also to fight in order to restore for the in this country. how do you, thanks very much indeed. that's already hash them talking to us from don't yet. well, there's be no pause in rushes offensive, and you cream, we're going across live to john hall and keith, let's just talk about what's been going on with regard to wagner. first of all, john, i would imagine that this is going to be viewed very, very carefully by keeps of the
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political leadership, military leadership in this country will be watching very closely. indeed, we've had comment from low to mid zalinski, the president, and a long post on his telegram channel, largely the crying overnight beside strikes at targets across the country, including here the keys. and i mean, amongst the debris and rubble of an apartment building struck here. and saying, what of this is happening at the behest will of one man and say this, these events show russia's weakness and the disease of this. its weakness under the, along the russia keeps its troops, messengers, on outland to more chaos, pain and problems. it will have to face late, a more revealing comment. if you like, comes from a kind of part of the casino advise that the presidency lensky, who and we've had lots of contributed, suggesting that whatever happens next e rush, it will be swift. that seems to be the view inside the administration hit me kind of what it looks like. the next 48 hours will determine. what do you described as the new status in russia, either a fully fledged civil war or
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a contract true transaction to power, or a temporary rest spike before the next stage of the pool of the fall, of the preaching regime. and i think what that reveals is that what is going on right now and roll stuff. and on inside russia will be one of a number of scenarios that the leadership here and ukraine have been anticipating, perhaps waiting for since the beginning of this war. the idea that the lights in russia would turn on each other, that military elements might turn on. each other, that feuds would lead to confrontations of the site didn't entirely lead to civil war. would lead to a weakening of the kremlin a weakening of the idea of president putin as an old, powerful, unchallenged leader. and therefore, in due course lead to a change of calculus in terms of the war. and you cried. and so without question, they'll be watching extremely closely the watching battlefield movements as well to see what gaps vulnerabilities may be left by the redeployment of wagner,
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messengers on the front line, and also the potential re deployment of russian forces not to have to confront those box and invest in res on russian. so joe, now obviously the fighting is continuing. we can't forget that we can see some of the damage that's been going on and keep behind you just talk us through briefly what has been happening in the last few hours or so well in the last few hours we've been here, i can tell you the most extraordinarily efficient cleaning operation has been going on in what was an absolutely rubble and debris strewn. cobb park beneath a high rise apartment building behind me struck in the early hours of this morning by folding debris from one of the 20. we're told cruise missiles filed the cable brought down by defenses, but some portion of one perhaps carrying it does look like it. some sort of unexploded payload displayed as 3 holes in 3 sides of this in almost an almost
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building, killing 3 people rescue is had talked about potentially more victims. but as i say, a testament to how used to the sort of thing people are now in ukraine. and absolutely extraordinarily swift to clear up operation. uh that's been undertaken here too. and oh, thank you very much indeed that's doing a whole bringing is update from keith. we're going to go to sonya diego who's in london. one of the key reactions that we're going to be looking for is, of course, from your many of those countries are providing funds, but also arms to add the, the training and fighters. what has been the reaction as well as all the european countries that have been the offering commons now have been saying how they are monitoring closely of the events that are occurring as well. the european council present is showing me shed, who's the leader of, of the organization that brings together the leaders of the european member
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countries. has said that while this is clearly an internal russian issue of the support of the you has to be ukraine and this present of a lot to me is that let's keep us on wavering. at the british defense ministry said in a regular intelligence, updates that the loyalty of the russian security forces, and especially that of the russian national guard will be see to how this crisis plays out. and that it represents the most significant challenge to the russian states. in recent times, it is also sets and it's the statement that with very limited evidence of pricing between wagner and russian security forces, somewhat of like you were main passive acquiescing development, that's according to that regular intelligence updates. nato calls monitoring the situation as well as the countries of course, which are closer to the regions such as the sonia border. security has been strengthened back a be
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a stone and prime minister said there is no direct threat to the country. punish president has also said that in connection with a situation in russia, the course of events beyond the some border is being monitored or ongoing basis. and the friendship presidential office has stated that it is staying focused on it support to ukraine. and also the, the italian prime minister of state is that they have also been both close the monitoring the events which show to quotes the statement from the prime minister, georgia maloney's office that it's a salt on ukraine is causing instability within russia. so of course is very nice, very much being closely watched as well. what is going to be interesting to see whichever way it plays out is how this will affect how the european union countries will acting cold. the nation is how they should react to events and it starts to get a course that while the risk support the ukraine, there are still issues among the european nations that own issues such as functions
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. how much should be given, how much should be a how much pressure should be put on the russian state? that's been an issue. that's the cost, a little bit of tension between the european union nations, sonya hugo and london. sonya, thank you very much indeed. ok. let's take a closer look at the wagner groups, the private and military contracts. it was started by russian business. and if can you precaution in 2014? by then it was a very secretive organization. wagner is partially funded through its ties to the kremlin. it also accepts payment in gold, precious gems and the natural resources like oil and gas before rushes invasion of ukraine. wagner stationed about 2000 fighters in libya. you've been there since 2019 and supporting forces loyal to walls probably for half the. the group has the photo alongside pro city and government forces since 2015. it also guards oil fields for the asset government. now for 5 years about a 1000 wagner, mice are provided security against rebel attacks for the government in central
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african republic. and it's believe wagner joins mine is decade long fight against on groups. last year of to funds withdrew its troops. he found a joke, which is a political scientist anonymous. and he was formerly electra ad r u d, and the university in moscow. and he's joining us live from bell. great, thank you very much. indeed for being with us. i want to ask you about the timing. although of all inclusive, they've got a really big ocean, has been very vocal in his opposition to russia's military, particularly over the last several months. why do you think he's done this? no, as well for, for anyone that's being closely following the, in fairly to dynamics. and the relations between the leads can come to a conclusion and probably the most, probably some kind of a process like criminal investigation or, or even some kind of an operation to physically eliminate regarding what's put into
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place. it doesn't have to be like it was done yesterday or the day before. maybe it was done at the beginning of the cleaning country nation. maybe it was done and cycled them in the minister of defense of russia. the so the t wanted. all of these are what's called the mercenaries, but the agents of the russian state to sign the contract with the minister of defense, which regarding them rejected. this was in this month literally during the 1st like a part of the 1st day. something you can count and offensive. so the most probably precaution has last favor fulton and she was about to be, as i say, replace them. but you can replace such a person that's used to have, have created. obviously putting has created precaution, regardless of a self made man. he is perkins projects to create a sort of a competitive alternative military for assuming usher to boost the effectiveness of
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the regular russian army. then to create this kind of a, well, maybe it's not really familiar to the rest are not being supported. it is something that early during the bolsheviks would have done in the 1920 something. and i can purchase them. let's say function is to decision makers against each other for them to produce better results. and it's also a kind of a mafia struction relation type when there's enough your boss who, who can rise or give a good it's going to, she's added cap. i want to get me for interrupting you, but i want to ask you about that because the, the strategic element total of all of this. i mean, again, if any progression has made his position very clear for several months about how he feels about rushes military, and yet he and his, he says 25000 strong force managed to take over all the ones on the southern uh,
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headquarters of the southern come on, they're also in volt, an issue as well. without as far as we can tell them, we can't identify that. we can't establish this ourselves at the moment. without exact a fine shot being fired. they seem to be just walking into these places. what does this tell us about the way that rushes mother treat was regarding the longer group, as well as, as i said this, this should also always be viewed as an in fairly conflict. and i've been like saying this before writing parking lot, because then given social media is that the war against russia cannot be precise. so we want them to baptist view, but russia can be defeated due to that this politically. and these can be defeated only to a struggle between v deletes. it's not look like some kind of a cold and revolution or a specific ship, some kind of revolution. it's if you always have to be some kind of a lead struggle reach, totally, either to, let's say, the thought
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a capacity from one group to another, or just having these kind of more control kinds of transition. but this is the only way that actually can actually be stopped. them can actually be defeated. of course the you can military's saving this process by fighting cards. but this internal struggle in, i'm sorry that i should, i'm in between the streets. this is what's going to be crucial and we are now seeing, at least to the starts of this, the entry leap, fighting. i mean, they're fighting publicly good having to choose sides. well, we can see the parts of the lead still remain completely silent and not not supporting anyone because he parts really support baltimore openly. so this is a start, a very, very serious process for us to this isn't only a military matter. you cannot just returning to the start this out exam to just excuse me for interrupting you, but we are going to have to leave with this. thank you very much indeed. let me
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just remind you about what's been going on in the head of the wagner mass, and we group has rebelled against moscow's military leadership. not kerry is going to be here in a couple of minutes with more on paul inside your mouth, as you can stay with the the challenges with the between 2000 to 2008 colombian soldiers executed thousands of civilians, framing them as get rid of fighters to make it seem like the army was winning, the conflict once incentivized to the ministry. come on there now confesses in
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exchange for amnesty and hope for gift phone lines. the confession adjust the against a lot of these palestinian children track across the findings to get school. the school was demolished on sunday when it's ready forces bulldozed in the early hours of the morning. they left nothing behind. i heard the sound of the 9th of my home. what is happening? she said my school has been demolished in the past as rarely as accused. it has not
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having a building permit on my soul kind of thing. and pilot requests in this area are rejected. very cared about the student, so why they didn't give us admission to say not only has their education been disrupted, and i've also been massively effective psychologically the the, [000:00:00;00] the pro i'm carry, jones to this is i'll just hear a lot from so how without continuing coverage of the new to the by the falls in the most in southern russian. mostly say they've taken control of military installations in the southern city abreast of them don't. we will defend our
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