[000:00:00;00] the 3 understand the differences and similarities of cultures across the world. so no matter how the tank will bring you the news and current affairs that match it to you. the mutiny in russia, a large number, somebody say they've taken control of military installations and sell in the city of festival. and on the hello i'm about to send. this is audra 0 live from del hop coming off. and we will defend our country from internal trees and presidents not to be approved

instructions off osh response to the rebellion ahead of the wagner river fuchs perkins. accusation of treason and demands a meeting with the russians. military leadership, the bushes, presidents that'd be approaching the says the wagner mostly group has committed treason by taking over military installations in the last off on don. if any precautions fighters crossed into southern russia from the front lines in ukraine, he gave the order officer accusing the defense ministry of ordering an air strike against his forces. and then one months we're going to go live to a correspondence. but 1st, michael apple begins coverage button is full, so is occupied, rushes, military headquarters and roast of on done early on, sat today and said they shut down a russian military helicopter and forced almost $200.00 russian troops to surrender

video of the medicine reason on the streets of the city and southern russia immediately flooded social media. some this and res, even finding the time to order for us to. it wasn't long before russia's president was addressing the nation involving retribution. they should give you much and that will we will protect our people in our statehood from any threats including internal be trail and what we're facing is betrayal. exorbitant ambitions and personal interest led to trees in the russian leda. spelling out just how serious he thinks the threat from wagner is why we're moving his move to submit it to you know, any internal turmoil is a deadly threat to our state hood, to us as a nation. this is a blow to russia, to our people. russia's defense ministry appeal to wagner fights has to abandon provision saying they've been tricked into what was described as their lead is criminal, adventure and participation. in an armed rebellion,

the tension between wagner and the kremlin is armed forces escalate to during the battle of buck mode. with the masonry is played a crucial role in the drawing, not fight to capture the city precaution accused, the russian army combined is of deliberate key with holding ammunition and other supplies from his man. in an audio recording precautions denied, putting his accusation of treason, bipolar disorder watching it. we are patriots of our homeland. we had been fighting and we are fighting now. no one is going to turn themselves in on demand of the president's f. s. b or anyone else because we do not want any more of our country to live in, corruption, lies, and bureaucracy. this is why we are the patriots, and those who are against us are the ones surrounding the scumbags. police raided wagner is headquarters in some petersburg, while in moscow security has been tightened and what's described is

a counter terrorism. the state of emergency imposed mike level will deserve. okay, let's goes over to moscow to speak for yourself of oliver. and i understand that you're getting through goshen has to be making more statements with regard to the assertions made by private inputs and what's been going on in the last few hours as well. actually, a bit later on mr. pace and made an appeal in states and television. uh, he addressed the russians, the miniature and law enforcement agencies, as well as those who were pushed onto the parts of the rebellion, according to position, to call the actions of wagner, group treason. a stop in the bank and refer to the civil war after the october 2014 revolution. he promised the traces, i mean it imminent punishment. and also the reactions to those was from ex post and on the list. and they say, vonda is now in a city from which there was, there was no evacuation of the civilian population. on the top,

the size of actions announced by the president will have to be carried out in dense and areas where it's difficult to use, you know, at croft and heavy um vehicles. so pre goes and actually refuses to surround a he reacted to impatience was about the trees and saying that the present was deeply wrong that they were paid for as he, on his monument group pictures of the country. and they of course, would fight for the country. they will continue fighting corruption and bureaucracy in the country while the ministry of defense, a big issue then official statement as well. addressing sciences of development group saying that they hadn't go enrolled in progressions, criminal activities, and participation, and an armed rebellion. and they also guarantee that everyone's safety if the science has surrendered. and we actually, we do hear some reports by state media outlets saying that to some places indeed

returns to the initial positions as they had been asked by the army. also, the investigative committee se has launched a criminal case against pre goes in himself and the f as b appeals to the finances of the evolving a group and asked them to attain a progression and the other on the head of the log in that code on his support has to join the ranks of his ministry formation of his ministry company and assault out of the so called k os, according to him in the country saying that there was not a military crew. that was a much of justice. yeah, you're just as you're talking to celia, i'm just thinking of some lines that are coming in from reuters here. um the closing precaution is saying that his forces have been fired on by artillery and how they comp to is. he says they took control of the russian military, how they had to queue in the last over like finding a single shot, and that the country supports them obviously. and they must go with the dispute

that we're going to get reaction to that. i'm sure in the next few hours or so, i'm just looking at some of the agency pictures we're seeing from the center of moscow. and life does seem to be going on as normal. we understand that security has been step tough across russia. what more can you tell us about that? well, the security has been step tough. know, just in most kind of what in the russian regions as, wow, we know that 3 most of ways have been passionate blogs in the most cool region. and a number of most ways, like a full on and 5 euros and m to cry. mia has been partially blogs, also around most of the region, according to the ministry of transport, of the most current and most could region. well, in addition, the euro, sloppy monterey was punched in blogs and the bridge across the country. but on the same federal highway in the southern, most of the region area was closed. also,

the buses from verizon is on the lip, it's tim oscar were cancelled as well. as a m, i a is highly cope's and made a hard landing in the wrong is region one pass and was injured that so i can say that's a number of quite unpleasant developments taking place right now in the country a unit. i thank you very much indeed, julia shop of all about talking to us from moscow. what kind of get a view from the front lines about these developments? charles struck 1st, joining us on the road to bob mos in eastern ukraine. so you've been in the village in the front line with some of the teams there, talk us through what you and the teams have been seeing and what the implications are for the fighting that's going on. i think the potential implications full is biting this chaos as the guardian soldiers here are describing it along the front line of potentially very great. indeed. it's going to be interesting to see whether in fact, you know, russian policies are having to potentially commit to areas inside russia to deal

with this crisis. which of course, would potentially give ukrainian forces the johnson to attack a weak points where russian forces have left that line. expose certainly the atmosphere here relatively close to the town of the town of coast that was taking control. the full control of by russian forces in may off the months and months of fighting in which vault and what people to eat and that back bottle. and that victory, the cleaning soldiers we've spoken to here have said that they are all going to exploit the chaos that is happening on the russian control sides of the front lines and potentially mount a heavy attack towards the bus move. we know that jake so far and the last couple of weeks since this, so counter offensive a solitude, the happy reports of your great new policies beginning to push out from the south around the city. very difficult to verify. and interestingly this morning we're

hearing additional reports that ukrainians may well have read, taken a certain number of streets in that town. so of course, yes, this news, all this chaos as the ukraine is describing inside russia has huge implications for the counter offensive and the front line. and will you be looking at 2 areas, a long list of 1000 columbus up front line district use what the way through ukraine to try and assess just what kind of challenges do you create? is it facing in the early stages of discount or offensive? we sell report russian forces if withdrawal and from what remains of this part, the village, its people fled or destroyed ukrainian military vehicles is towed from the battlefield. the data russian soldiers in the gross ukraine, admittedly last week, announced it had complete the re taking the village of stores of it. but that's not quite true. the pricing you can see here is as

a result of the russian. it strikes yesterday you courtney military. it telling us that's life please. so they say the majority of this village, there is still ongoing fighting on the outskirts and they say they are facing fish resistance, promotion policies. ukraine's counter offensive was expected for months that gave russian forces time to prepare the 2 gods. they have strong app on the lots of infantry supported by heavy onto the way that moving slowly towards us. but with killing them with a way of conducting small and offensive operations on the outskirts of the village along the forest line. but there were many mines worked around 200 kilometers. no. the russian occupied town of camina barrels off the barrel eligibility to re far it goes through the forest ukrainian soldiers here on the this russian positions or

a few 100 meters away. ukrainian forces. we took this area joint account you were offensive last summer. neither side is made major phones for months. but as you create anatomy becomes approved for weakness and russian defense is to the south. things here began to change is just me. it is just on the street. there is nothing good here. visitation is very dense of to the successful by itself into the trench canada tells us to take a couple of because russian helicopter gunship like in the area with you, there is constant fine for more to is a tillery helicopters as strikes and small arms, their sole top position in small groups, they're trying to break through to capture an important supply route hauled go often early days says ukraine and it's and they towed back as if they ever is a decisive breakthrough. it could take months, cello stuff without

a 0 eastern new grain. what do i me say? it's a former deputy assistant secretary general for emerging security challenges of nato . i don't associate follow a chatham house and he's in london for his life, so thank you very much. indeed for being with us. i child stratford was reporting to us there that he'd been speaking to ukrainian soldiers who were saying that they were going to exploit the chaos they said and pushed towards bach moods. but this seems to have taken the ukrainians by surprise as much as it appears to have done the russians. what are the ukrainians in a position to be able to take advantage of this if they choose to as well, they certainly are going to try to, to, to do that. but the cost a lot depends on what plays out in russia over the next few hours and days and the extent to which for goes and having sort of started this mutiny is preaching, cause it is really able to sort of turn it into an effect to result, for example, of pushing up as the he seems to be doing against most go, may be persuading more of the russian on each of these. today's course,

there is no sign of that happening of the moment by the ringing some major concessions out approved. and then so i'm, so 1st i think the defense minutes to show you full garage, you know, the chief of the general stuff. so i think you really would have to achieve promotions, actions of much greater dimension. so really get the ukrainians a massive boost which, you know, keep our feet on the ground. the russians still have 319000 troops in ukraine, which is a new enormous number that we'll talk in the defensively. and the russians was, need to really transfer quite significant numbers of troops result with their power . troop was out of you trying to go and deal with production to leave a big hole in the russian lines. and if that ever goes and has been alleging that his fighters have being fired on by the, the russian military, the leader of the checks and fighters who are also parts of the russian forces. i said that they are going to take action against wagner. if it, if it's required, if this becomes a prolonged internal conflict,

and let's not forget that wagner fighters are tough guys, have been fighting for several months on the front lines, a new train. if this last for longer, what kind of impact would an unstable russia have within europe, but also world wide as well? certainly wishing increasing signs the ukrainian conflict is bringing the chickens home to roost. back in russia itself, even before of the slope. opposition of a pre goes in a to the russian high. come on the you had some of the sort of shadow we, a russian groups uh, allied to ukraine, carrying out sabotage operations around russell on the dawn. and just over, over the boat, the surface was already having a destabilizing influence. but again, i think we really have to keep our feet on the, on the ground here, a precaution, according to estimates. thousands have an awful lot of soldiers. yes. you're right in saying that that's what i'm. but where is he started to what we're 50000, but by most the ex uh export. so he's now down to about $10000.00 might be

a few more. can you really take on the russian all be in the kremlin, with just that number? particularly, as i said for over the next few, how is he doesn't, riley, a lot of the russian army to his goals and the russian come all the sub fox according to what they've said to the media. but been firmly on the side of pitching, cooling on a precaution to stall, and indeed integrate is a blog. now organization has that been quoting on him to do for a long time, into the rational forces. a lot of the precautions troops are in fact out in africa or the central african republic. molly and he's operations, which are suited to a credit, is cobit operations in libya. and i don't think production is going to be able to sort of bring those back to russia anytime soon to support you. and so i think we have to keep a good sense of perspectives. this is clearly an environment for food to it's clearly going to weaken him. of course, it's clearly going to make it harder for russia to pursue any counter offensive of its own in ukraine, particularly in the weeks ahead of. but so it was a precaution,

is i really to topple of the existing leadership is something where i still have my own personal doubts. and you mentioned before the spread of, of uh, wagner, troops around the world, the world. but the city on molly libya, central african republic, and sudan. if true, goshen goes. what do you think is going to happen to the structure of wagner, given the fact that you were talking about that russia regards wagner as very much its own presence in those countries? yes indeed, i think this is really the right question because it was pushing and, and proposing to try to avoid criticizing each of the threats they sort of control the c, which has been going on between precaution and the russian. come on this for some months now as a precaution is very much the creation of putin who is found into the a highly useful instrument as a carry out. for example, this information attacks against the united states, the elections, this becomes induced admitted a, to have these incursions into africa,

which gives the rough should the russian state, if activity, you know, i billeting while bringing any new, most economic benefits to russia in terms of the diamonds and the legal mining and the all of but i the same time, of course, uh, wanting for the russian folks who just watching in black moods. where the russians have had to be the biggest success group we have come from above and the so it's going to be very difficult. i think, for food teams to sort of get rid of bob know because it's been so helpful to him. but on the other hand, perhaps in sort of rebellion now may have pushed boots into a corner where he may have to sacrifice a of all that in order to regain to control of over the russian military. but knowing the in the process, the stands are a lot to lose because of goes into some something that useful instruments of pollution in terms of the fall. i think the russian by the treat keeping him going to control himself. so whether he could still keep producing cold by carrying out the negotiation, which gives, proposing something of what he wants some precaution. as a result,

he starts to stand down and to uh, remove his sort of a, okay, patient of russian military facilities and rushed up for a while approaching. now thinks that move a split is necessary and he has the cross spot. i think that's what we can learn over the next 24 hours. really interesting to get your thoughts on this, jamie say, as always, thank you very much indeed for being with us and i'll just here. thank you. ok, let's recap. and the fast moving developments in russia and present invited me to put in his address the nation off of wagner. mastery forces claimed control of military sites and draw stuff on done. it describes the mutiny as treason and said, decisive action will be taken. if gaining precautions fighters crossed into southern russia from the front lines and ukraine, excuse the russians, defense ministry of ordering air strikes against his troops, killing thousands, for goals and such as fighters are russians, patriots. i will not surrender precautions says president vladimir putin was wrong to call him a traitor. under the signs of growing conflict and fighting has been reported further north of russia as

a vendor on his city of wagner. calling by there has been attacked by russian helicopters that all the explosions reported in the city of at all. stuff on done. well, joining us not from done yet is out of hash them out of you over the last few hours you've been bringing this up to date with what your understanding is of what's going on in the last of and on things seem to be changing. there. it is tough to get information, but what are you hearing about what's been happening? slow, rob, as we've heard from this morning, the whole of finishing the central operation is happening or was happening in the stuff now it's going to on the edge on other areas. but the wagner roof a come on delta, you have any pre goshen, went into the central command today this morning, got 730 on a recorded a video of saying that this is his 1st step and asking for defense

officials to meet him. what else he'll be heading towards most what we know is that there was a, an explosion hubs in uh, the stove. there's no information about the nature of this explosion, whether it's a strike or the norman explosion. also roads a now to a stove or close. watch also we across reports about the i met the brigades, the tricia riggs heading towards restore. some of them left the city doing yes towards that. of course, some of the on cut it off, the president of the region. the republic of chechnya made a statement this morning an invalid allegiance to presidents to within the same as that is a bushel in the president of the and yet republic. he also allied himself with the president. so this is the big jump from here and everything is unfolding in a different situation. whereas the state, the score is changing,

the rules of the equation are changing on the front lines. we had to get very close to the, to the front lines. just few can, you mean says yes, so that the defense minister just off the precautions 1st statement said that this is going to impala the ukrainian forces to solve the account of the funds offensive to us about hm. with us we saw with charles area and also we were hitting around the city a lot of bombardments, as we said, we don't know if this is coming out or going from this area up. however, this, the positions have changed from a big ocean being the president's allies, to any of the states, and from a, the wagner group being a states within the state to the fact the states within the state to imposing award within. it was highly, thank you very much indeed that tony i should've been talking to a something yet school while there's been no pause in rushes offensive in ukraine. we're going to go to a lot, john hall, and it keeps joe. now there have been airstrikes over the previous few hours. this now is being one would imagine,

starting very carefully by what at the ukraine and what they're going to do next. do you have any indication how this development is being viewed in teens? so we're getting various lines of commentary coming out of ukraine's political leadership the together. the so the point to the idea is that the way they see these events in russia illustrate, ultimately russia's own political weakness about him. is that landscape of the president? right? to go into the ground, rushes weakness, ease of vs. the longer they keep chips, investment is on our territory. the more the sorts of things are going to start happening. demitra could either the foreign minister using it as an opportunity to rally yet more support from ukraine's west and back cuz those of you thought that russia was too strong to lose. he said, take a look at what's happening now. but perhaps the most interesting comment treat as

that gives the best view on how they are looking at all of these comes from me kind of put it back. he's a senior senior adviser to president zalinski, who takes the same view as a lot of other people who suggest that whatever it does happen will happen pretty quickly in russia. now saying that the next 48 hours will determine what he describes as the new state is in russia. he believes it leave the result in a civil war or some sort of as he puts a contractual transition to power or this is simply the next stage and a gradual process of the full he said, of the polluting regime. i think what that points to is the idea that while they may not be assuming anything too soon, they won't be assuming that they sees the end. of course, it points to one of a number of scenarios that a lot of thinkers here in ukraine and within the administration here would have been considering since the very beginning. the idea that this war would have an impact and ramifications for the political leadership in russia. but they would eventually lose control of either because of disputes over the long term goals of

this war. all because of perceive me to treat failures, splits within the elite splits within the ministry that lead to some sort of confrontation that lead ultimately to week ending the. and i'm challenging this idea of president putin as a, a strong man on chatting sneed and tracking to needing to some sort of changed calculus about the board and ukraine. i think that's the view, the prism with waiting within which they are viewing all of these events. bring us up today from keith as jonah hall. jonah, as always, thank you very much. indeed we're going to go to sonya diego who's life for us in london. a lot of european countries, of course, allied to ukraine, supplying cash, but also equipment as well. what's the reaction across europe and capital as to what's been happening? the deed and one of the most vocal of allies of the you case a prime minister. wish you see not cuz said i didn't stop today that he would be speaking with allies on the events. and he's just old policies in the conflict in

russia to avoid come to civilians. so we'll be finding out more information about what is being spoken about among the allies now as far as uh, which ministry intelligence goes. they've issued a statement on the regular intelligence update that the, the loyalty of russia, security forces, and especially that of the russian national guard is, is going to be key to have a crisis plays out. and it represents the most significant challenge to the russian states in recent times. also citing the statement that according to the m o. d, that was very limited to evidence of pricing between wagner and the russian security forces. some have likely remained passive acquiescing to augment this is of course, according to the british m. o. d. i long be along the european union. you have the heads, the president of the european council showing michelle that your pin council, of course,

being the party that brings together all the leaders of the 27 member states, the european union. he said this is clearly an internal russian issue. however, he underlined the use on wavering support of ukraine and of, of low to mid zalinski. that's a has been echoed across all the countries. responses to this, germany monitoring the situation, countries which are geographically close to ukraine, russia, poland, and a study of stating that they of course are also monitoring the situation very closely. and especially with the stone you reiterating that there is no direct write to the country in itself, but they also judging a like all other countries out. no. 1 no travel to russia not, and it's in no sudden ins, no certain times, but as well as the, as nato monitoring the situation as well. you've had the french presidential office, also offering it school approaches support to ukraine as well. and it's really

a also having been sort of a little bit soft to west sanctions are concerned, has said that that is following the events which show that it's a salt on ukraine, is closing instability within russia. so on an old conversation, which is going to be taking part among the allies, is going to be key as to how they're going to be reacting to the ongoing situation . sonya, thank you very much. indeed. sonya guy, i go in london. well, let's take a closer look at the wagner room, the private military contract or was started by russian business. and if get any precaution in 2014 back, then it was a secretive organization. wagner is partly funded through its ties to the kremlin. it also accepts payment in gold, precious gems and natural resources like oil and gas before rushes invasion of ukraine. wagner stationed about 2000 fighters in libya. they've been there since 2019 supporting forces loyal to wall or hobby. for half. the group is called

alongside pro city and government forces since 2015. it also guides oil fields for the outside the government for 5 years about a 1000 wagner. investments have provided security against the rebel attacks for the government in the central african republic. and it's believed wagner joined molly's decade long fight against on groups last year after funds withdrew its troops. cellular romani isn't associated felt over the bodies things time to the while. united services institute is an oxford i'm. he's joining us live very good to have you with us on all just here. we heard earlier that if any precaution is asking for a meeting with defense officials, does he have anything to bargain with? do you think it wasn't the usual takes over the roster office or the as one of the bargaining ship ice threatening to making large advance on last gap for national pets and then moscow itself. so he's using the track for the military incursions impossible defections from the russian national guard. however. busy level, military forces and conscripts as his bargaining chip. do you think that he actually has that to play with? do you think that,

given what we've seen so far with regards to the reaction that some of the military has had to what's been going on, that he would be able to encourage enough military i of a like full time army if you'd like to join him to be able to give them the leverage that he needs. i those have to go that he's really be able to get the kind of levers are really necessary to overturn power in moscow. and because so many of his recruitment roots have been cut off the rider group recruiting center and sat a time, for example, is no longer recruiting to volunteers. prisons have been cut off as a venture recruitment source by the ministry defense for about 6 months already. so it really just depends on who from the national guard who from the army effects and joins up. the top brass has a turn against production and started with 30 including surveys. are they getting the general most friendly job? but that doesn't mean that disgruntled them demoralized at a lower level, officers might see nothing to lose enjoyment. how much a troops and kit will russia have to commit to dealing with the wagner forces