ass is that the, this is where we, the sex allies. i'd love to find out is there is a mobile app available in your favorites apps to just set for it and type download the new app from out to 0 new at you think is it the a fatal police shooting of a teenager has traded widespread protest in france and once again, the use of excessive force by police, especially in estimating diverse areas, is under this phone line. so how will the government address this issue? this is inside the hello and welcome to the program for the back to boat along simmering anger against

police brutality in the suburbs of france has turned into a nation wide unrest on tuesday, 17 year old and i was shot and killed by an officer, a non to a working class town just outside paris. why school say the least fully encounter is just one of the many instances of stomach racism targeting poor and ethnically diverse communities. we have a lot to get to with our guest in just a moment. but for us this report from nor come to paris. silvo. this non town this home for nothing night. i'm just trying to fire the latest police can leave the teenager, the person to focus on easy relations between police and people from these working calls neighborhood. during the day, tribute put in for 17 year old. no, he was shot dead on this road on to say the police of the time claimed it was self

defense. but with this video seemed to contradict that statement. no. the call was stopped. a police officer pointed a gun at the driver. looked lucky. this day a particular public prosecutor considers that the legal conditions for using the weapons have not been mess. yes, clearly the emotion that comes with the death of a young man calls the contemplation and com. and it's what the government has constantly called for. this is the 3rd state to police shooting of the traffic stoping from the see if there were reco 13, the year before it made the united nations human rights council accuse from the increase police find during pension region in protest. and several countries criticize the nation. the you and council, for really just in total, in slicing attacks against migrants and racial profiling. but inside the

power suburbs isn't long and troubled history with police incidents often triggering a final reaction. in february 2017, a young black man who tla haka was left permanently disabled after of violence police arrest. in july 2016, the tri or a died in police custody of to he resisted an id check in 2005, 2 teenagers from a high rise of states were electrocuted when they had from police, leading to protest the went on for 3 weeks. and now that i'm the month of justice has returned to the streets from laura holmes, the inside story out to 0. well, that spring, you know, i guess for today's inside story in paris. yes. and what the head of the committee for justice and liberties of trans national human rights organization in london.

rainbow, mary, professor of politics at queen mary university of london and also in paris, is active my director of the center for associate logical research on law and penal institutions. welcome to you all. thank you so much for joining us on inside story . yes, there want to let me start with you in paris with seeing the protests over the killing of and i else bred beyond the suburb of non taff. why is there so much anger in friends today? what i seem to question is, the answer is already in the question, why is it that an event a in a bare is how sparked and out burst of pink or, and raised to all with a front. so we have to, to, to put that in perspective and look at the past 20 years since the 2005, the uprising that took place after the death office he had and bring up the note on the southern office. there is no, we have to ask ourselves why all these people are expressing themselves essential matter. where the answer is also the fact that to own all the ways of expressing or

sudden when are black arrow been from the board of you or being shut down. and because even more sparked outrage is of the video, that's b r o c. and why the police officer is pointing, he's the, he's good at this a driver and shooting him a point blanket in the hard to know the, the video is all right. this, the, even if the media start off with the euro content and, you know, he criticized the, the use of offer, you know, um, used to offer the, for the weapon by the policeman, but also in money really my cold. but this going to be separate that i'll do the, the end are we see right now i cannot be separated from the genuine ink or what the situation for these people in the body or the not okay. pushing it to use it. all you have to do cation work, etc. okay, we'll get into the, the issues a bit more deeper in just a minute. yes, sir, i wanted to ask you, you talked about the video and what's most startling in this incident is that the police appear to have lied about the circumstances of the killing. and last year we

know that about 13 people were reportedly killed by offices under similar circumstances. but unlike in this situation, in most of the cases they was no video. so is excessive used by police, worse than what we actually know. definitely the, uh, is the actual quote to ship us. yeah. well, she from the national research side to declare that as the national center for strategic research in front the front for a police, the deputies police on continental europe or, and you are the 2, is that the aside from the horse get a couple of days ago, you know what they, as we saw it in the video, another block and then what skills you was left in your driving. he's got going to work and he was shut down by the police. but unfortunately, that was the video. and what is what this video or so i know it's the fact that before which was happening, the government was clicked to react to defend the police man. and the media were honest, reading the fucking points of the police. so this is why, again,

we can not the choice of people physically versus when they 1st come from the government. okay, is that into my? yeah, let me bring you into the conversation. you've researched police issues in france extensively. just looking at the specific incident, 1st, the police officer responsible for the shooting has been charged with the voluntary monster. what do you think will happen to him based on past experiences? is he likely to be convicted? it's getting really difficult to say the, the reputation of the reaction of the prosecutor. so i'm of the party sect 12 east unusual on it was mentioned by the the on yeah. as pico in about. so we feel about that. we're kind of to email the reaction by drug each product. so it was on the one hand and put it to go back to us on the other because they, they see a wicker duction of the re upsets 2005. so the level of reaction

was quite high and these a dollar, but i wouldn't have that. i think it was said it is based on the one hand does pay . we did tell you what rated uh we nation between the use uh from uh, i think by no, we tease info neighborhoods and the police on the one hand, as to go to the question, is the use of deadly falls in a traffic stops on the other hand, which is a kind of a new ring question in front. right. you talk about deteriorating relations between the used in these, this affected communities and the police just looking at the way the situation is evolving in the last few days and finds. do you think, jack, we're looking at a repeat of 2005 and the incidents of fishy so why then? yeah, i'm going to, these are point, you know, table to turn to the discussion. this particular question. that's the most of the bills. well, surprised by the importance uh, the pen, a t t a and

a ton. that's even in cal movie owens, a center upfront you, you may have had some neighborhoods with the protest. uh, some young people who need protests. uh, so kind of for somebody that we do so that we can kind of close out the wall and get along with these young people at the handling of the situation is different from the police. on the one hand, i'm from parties, but if you connect to us on the other hand, so you know, you never know if he's to, we is going to repeat the talk. okay. i'll ask yes. are those same question that a bit? yeah, so, but i want to bring in a rainbow, mary, to the conversation 1st. rainbow a difficult situation for the french government in french president the money in my calling to handle? no, no doubt. he was quick to react. can the government contain this crisis? you think you guys have to find a way to do it? it is very difficult. i'm one of the reasons why it so difficult is because the

responsive of the political policies on whom my quote is depending for alliance. and his compliment is so completely opposed. one crucial thing to remember is that macklin does not have upon mentoring majority, so he needs to work with other policies. but the policies of the left have started unequivocally with the you know, just who shots the policies of the right, who started on politically with the police. so that the smart chrome quote between a wrong kind of hot place. and at the same time, he needs to find a way to dispel this and unhappiness to help the people who feel a brief by the shooting, to find resolution without resorting to street protests. not these because the street process needs to be contained by the same police that people are protesting against. and so he can't afford to alienate the police if he's also asking them to try and stay on top of any pricing situations. okay, we're going to talk about some of the laws that govern the police in just a moment. but yes, sir,

i wanted to ask you about the current situation in the same question that i put to shock. are we looking in your view at a simular, a repeat of history and events of 2005 in case she has 2 bar? when we cannot, you know, difficult to predict the future, it would be in a far better place than most, most of what we want. but the situation right now use very similar. the only issue is the only difference being that we are the how the president of 2005 and the people who took place in the 2005 surprising austin on the place today. so we have to really watch the events with a bit of caution, even though to be honest and to the m the or it was so quick to spray just throughout the national territory. i didn't expect the offering that would be enough already know barry's and he's around the suburban but not to go all the way to at least to not to lead people who, who was mentioned to you or and even to do is exactly right now as it was said earlier, their response from the money really my call would be dictated by the hard,

the right to end the far right. and in the already saw the money going back home. so you need talk, i guess the police is on that talk. i guess a republic just to make it a simpler, he did not sit in the talk against civilians are a citizens, he's an attack, i guess the republic and this again shows up after his initial reaction of containing or criticizing the use of deadly force. if he's already feeling too large of keeping the police, the police, but the 11 piece of information to be is quite important in the case. so if anybody, what about quote, we have to remember in 2020, he's only me still different to your house to be suck to under pressure off the pressure coming from the majority unions for closer to the far right on your studies, for example. and he's talk gusto knew who have protected the police weren't. they weren't breaking discords and bucks, hold the yellow best to move. not only said there could potentially be an issue of racism. we seem to put a use at that seem to his face to show you how power for these humans are. so we

have to see how my quote we got. so the one to handle to keep it. he's a look forward to you because as i get, he doesn't have i, my protein fundament. right. also, almost repression would be a problem. different for there. i know appreciate that just to, to wish it was more of items for our international audience, the fair and the others. let's take a closer look at the french laws that some rights groups have criticized for giving police more power is to use excessive force. a 2017 measure, a launch for police to use the fi arms in 5 scenarios. this includes against drive us with no an order to stop. and if they posed a risk to live or safety in 2020, the government dropped a security bill that would have prevented people from filming the police. the draft bill had prompted protest across the country in 2021. the french parliament passed the security bill that would extend police powers. this includes using drones to monitor a citizens and tougher sentences for assaulting offices. rainbow in london,

critics of said the practices and attitudes of the french police is encouraged from the top. is the case. what is the message from the top, not just under my under my cold, but under previous governments. the message has talked to generally been ones who support the police and to reinforce the powers. and it had to be borne in mind that the police surprised some significant challenges, especially in the previous decade. restaurants was subjected to a series of terrorist attacks. and there was a fear that the police didn't have strong enough power to contain that. and so some of those powers were reinforced, and the police also felt vulnerable, and then they've been asked to do with some quite different situations of the past few years, including the younger best protests including policing, be a target punter, making the lock downs that came with that and so the police are continuously cooling for protection, that unions wants the government to start them. but at the same time, there's

a growing sense that the police have problems with racism. we've accepted police force and privacy which has caused a significant backlash against the place. and so the police are also looking to the government to stand by them against that backlash. but that's becoming increasing the politically sensitive. okay, is that police union says said that such incidents like the one we see in the non to one off isolated incidents is the case of this police officer. just one bad apple, or is there a real problem of impunity within francis police force? it's always and then with the k question, because we need to be new and that you cannot say that or what hopkins a baby. so if something seems to me cause structural or within the punched bodies. on the other hand, you couldn't say that. so kind of isolated incidents,

it is popped up to much more genuine. 8 totes, we've been punched police in. what is it? is it a lack of training? and it has to do with the lack of the location. i'm planning on a chart painting a test to do we use the profession or coach of the police, which is mainly based on the use of goals. i don't say that the use of the full sense, but you done is a common place in the punch buddies, the wife activity of the french pretty soapy sales are the kind of policies in council training in town. self management do not take enough into account the, the relation on how you mention the where do you still be so interacting with the parents, being able to this kind of being able to talk with the people in the piece for nano . so this is the 1st point,

2nd one has to do with the controlled body shop uses. the french police will be so they say that you all the most control techniques 7th in the french, had ministration bits and to some extent, basic tool. but on the other hand, when you are pretty simply so you have a low talk with tony at when accomplishing your day task. and these are tenants does require you something for handing funds. i would say about that we've kind of been coming out of control or by the national inspect to wait till the end of the national police. that there was a lack of ex town or control or by the state agencies at the right. you can do different literally from the default so different on a to walk on in french and that should play you from the road. ready or in the way, or in the way, the daily behavior else all controlled by uh, okay. well known it independent agencies. okay. yes sir. and your thoughts as to

what uh is that just said he said this is not necessarily systemic. do you agree with that? the way that the short should work to quotes are some figures that we have to remember that in the a since 2020, the, a number of people killed by the police was a more than double. yes. the police is also, you know, supervisors, but supervised by former police officers. the gps is composed mostly or from a cups. now supervising cups with no incorporation. but i'm going to go to this, send that back in 2014. and we're going to call the caption, do not raise the question to the minister of interior about the mental and physical fitness, fitness off the police. in 2015, 202020. we went from a recruiting one out of 50 candidates, and we did one in 2020. it became one out of 5 up the score a to be x. so it's a problem of recruitment all felicia?

yes of the from i think the problem with comes with lives with recruitment. there is no, nothing, nothing. you're not going to say um, you know, how can i do this quite a few cation off on 50 individuals. we went from taking one out to $50.00 to $1.00 out of 5 or so. and on top of it, the discount was lower. the 8 out of 20 is good enough to be accepted and to make things even worse, the training has been reduced. it went from 12 months to 8 months, to quote another police instructor himself. complaints are a bunch of individuals who are intellectual, are you quote unquote and physically unfit to join the police? but what was the purpose of the, the admission exam? we cannot get rid of them, you might have to wait to delay your off lack of accountability at the terminating racism of the police aesthetic in about a few years ago. so that's 52 percent of, of the law enforcement to a body voted in favor of you might even my to and i'm going to be even more provocative of the national police has been over today. the centralized police was

born in 1941 on the issue redeem, and we shouldn't forget the price the are the risk assist we of the police with the jews and the error. so it's not about random events repeating themselves. it's about it's not even about a rock and offers is about are often treat the needs to be reformed. ok rainbow, your thoughts about these, these on justifies shootings in friends and the bone use these working class neighborhood? certainly our symptom as yeah, sarah said, and you've alluded to yourself of a deeper and wider problems in front of discrimination, racism as well. what's happened to the idea of lead f t p fi county has it failed into? it's been a bit of a mess. and the i think of that for me to leave it to, to get me to try to and you say of it. it's kind of a, when you're in the, you know, french peak every well that, that some of more equal than others,

as i for once has a known history of virtual discrimination and disadvantage. some of which has tried to sweep part of the carpet by not measuring it. 78 does collect official data on race for example. but it's a bonner, in fact the people from ethnic minority backgrounds find it hard to find employment . so they, they're so capacious dictation, but they are much great to the victims of the police that they often relegated seth neighborhoods. and so whilst from the struggles to acknowledge its difficulties with race, they are very present. and so if that's what repeat just because the saying, i mean this isn't to one of incident. um i, i could read of a series of, of names of people who have been killed either june and police custody or uh, was being arrested by the police. give just one example,

which was very high profile in 2016 adult mosquito. hi dawn to us in police custody . a young man. yeah. and in so cause widespread protests around the country, not just in the neighborhood where it happened, but again we still processing power. so we so persistent to lose, and it just seems like history repeating itself. i'm so sorry to interrupt you. i just wanted because we have a just a few minutes left on the show. i just want to talk about now the solutions. what can be done to address all these issues we've raised and the conversation is jack, let me come to you 1st. when it comes to police brutality. how does the government deal with it? because the un human rights council has criticized funds for increase police finance. the european court of human rights has also condemned france on 5 separate occasions for leisure abuses committed by the police. what needs to be done in your view to address this issue? what needs to change? ok, difficult question because you have different live hours to live house that you should

use. see me seeing you've taken? yes it does. there is an issue of control external control of each post. say audio . it should be waiting for. but you cannot re, from the police against pretty soapy sales, and this is tony issue. you have to wean this 2 weeks on the details of pretty soapy. so, so you have to train pretty socials. and in a short planning and, and vocational training to this kind of rate, which is that the use of the false is something technical, but it's also something relational. is that how you use your gun in we situations? and these question is a question of how you all have had a system at brain as a police officer in the shop recruitment to how you chose the good ones, how the relation,

our company tends keel and valued within the french bodies institution. that was also a question, and i think it's crucial the question of the openness to the a to see this is how you think about and it good. pretty easy pretty. which is we didn't the front of the site. we thought you better to interact with the farm cities incent. wow, it not be tends upfront, not on the citizens, so you don't have nothing to do so that we said we only show how the police is able to listen to society. we always complexities in equality, peace, and they should be a big we trimmed under the of defense police institutions. okay. yes sir. and your thoughts? how should the french government address this issue? and how old does it address the concerns of these disaffected communities in the pony is why we can of the 2 coins are for

a 2 face of the same coin for the product. to answer this 1st we have to, we do find the root of the police, is it they are to protect the regime or the right place or to protect and serve the population sick. and we have to raise the bar and not lower rate in terms of our recruiting individuals who apply to become a police, a service men and women. and of course the i said before me, there's a better code full of the police, the gps. it was supervisors, the parties to be open to sociology is community organizers or lawyers and people who can have a dissenting voice. and 2 weeks i'm going to expose of what the or the police is doing go on the scene. and of course, on top of the data, we need to have a more independent judicial system or the prosecutor is no longer no mean it is by the executive branch of power, but from within the justice system. so when the police is roger before the court of law firm and uses through the chance of a founding, the police accountable. and last but not least,

we need to stop with the idea that the police, if they have to create a brick bones the and then still arise people in the communities. it's not the reason it's going to use stuff and it's not a coincidence that is he had done that or died in 2005 from the, from the police are right, despite having done no wrong. okay. rainbow, let me come to you now. so what needs to happen for friends to restore its image of a torch bear of liberty, equality and human rights issues? we need courage and leadership um, from the very house of government. um, i mean also needs to finish a preventative break charges. upfront spaces is the grand strength over the past 20 years of the phone rights have start racial racial tensions within products. and at the moment, because of its lack of upon mentoring majority, the governments is seeking to form an alliance with the policies of the right to in turn, to try to win back their electric from the far right. so politically,

it's very sensitive, the government needs to have the courage to overcome this desire to win back versus in the far right. and instead take moral stands and say enough is enough. we need to do better. thank you very much to all 3 of you for a great discussion. yes. and the warranty is active. my yeah. rainbow, mary, thank you very much for joining us on inside story and thank you to for watching. you can always watches program again any time by visiting our website at all, which is 0 dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash a j inside story. of course you can join the conversation on twitter handle is that a j inside story from the feedback table and the whole team here in doha. thanks for watching bye for now, the, the the

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is my us, my life, at least in my life, and noticed engines. expectations are that in the coming months, many more across these mountains, not knowing what the future of the time was placed in solitary. i was 26. i was young amateur. this is extreme form of my solution. i think it's designed to break. you feel if there's a tardy tardies part, it's the adjusting to being alone. there's always a upstairs. we lose, you know, fold lines examines the total of isolation through one man's experience and a texas presume. the books 27 years in solitary confinement on a jersey to the us is always of interest to people around the world. this has been going on for a number of the whole story going into an actor perspective to try to explain to global audience and why it's important to impact the lives at the height of the storm. water was still high by hey,

this is an important part of the world. people pay attention to this very good the bringing the news to the world from here. the that i'm carry johnston and tell you how the top story is on. i'll just say air. now the 900 people have been arrested in phones during the 3rd consecutive nights of bonnet protests, of a police officer, something like that since my own, the crown is due to hold. a 2nd crisis from day young rest has spread rapidly beyond paris and its suburbs. public buildings, shops and vehicles were attacked around the city a little in the north tax will also have carried out.