as a supervisor of a genocide, people who are likely to kill the trend or suffering, but it didn't come to hard to do who's dedicated his life to searching the woods for phones that the victims of the sharp, rene scholastic. even here is the drop in the hope for finally laying the pos to rest, giving peace to the victims, families cause i need to. if i could just find a think about, i could bury him, phone hunter on out his era. israel under pressure of and so cold or somebody is of the policies. it's a curious of using facial recognition technology is a control palestinians in the okay, by the west bank. so how far does that breach that previously does this technology really offer israel praise of security? this is inside story, the

hello welcome to the program. i'm adrian instead of going, israel is use of artificial intelligence to mess, avail, palestinians, and the occupied westbank. that's the focus of talks this week between the end of amnesty international and e u. commission officials in brussels. the human rights organization says that is ran, is employing what it calls alternate to the policies to build a digital data base of the products. the indian population form is where the soldiers say they've been ordered to photograph people to update boss data basis. palestinians say it's yet another invasion of the privacy. how does it as laura com reports? military checkpoints, cameras, android, blogs. these are part of the daily reality for posting and sleeping in the occupied westbank. and now is relas rolling out voltage to tools display on them. one is a facial recognition technology called blue roof. this describes as

a facebook of israel's occupation. hebron is considered one of the world's most availed regions, but honestly says it's now being rolled out across the occupied westbank in the report called automated a post holly, pretty slow, se month. it said the blue of technology can in trends, disadvantages disempower much in life groups. so was his pretty wolf, the washington post notes the use of it 2 years ago, smells cameras track and recognize the spaces is ready. so just use the technology to take pictures of palestinians and add them to have balls that were compelled to mobile phones. m a c international says it creates a game, a slight system of competition underlying the system. that means it gets sold as an incentive to compete in creating the highest number of profiles of palestinians is ready for us to say the main challenge they facing. hebron is friction between is ready. settlers and palestinians. and the technology allows and trucks foster and

many posting a residence, a sense has been installed by his radio authorities and directed into the private homes and even bedrooms. and the, this is just another pervasive technology to show the palestinians that being watched. laura comes inside story out just there on as well. we contacted the date is where they always was, why it's using a surveillance technology and for its response to the report, it said it carries out necessary security and intelligence operations. well, making significant efforts to minimize home to the palestinian populations routine activity. the statement also says that the ministry cannot refer to operational unintelligence capabilities in this context. that's bringing, i'll guess for today's discussion from brussels, we're joined by matt, my 40 artificial intelligence and human rights advisor and honestly, international. he's the lead also of this report from okey buddies, jerusalem,

july i'll, i will come to who's a rifle and community leader of the rights to move from palestine and in tennessee of or give us the advocacy director at breaking the silence. a non governmental organization established by a veteran is really soldiers, so will welcome to your map. let's start with you. tell us more about this, amnesty report and its findings. why does amnesty consider the facial recognition of technology that should be banned or at the very least? severely restricted to be clear embassies policy is that there should be a band and facial recognition technologies for mass surveillance and for discriminatory surveillance, because the technology is simply incompatible with international human rights law. the technology depends on the curation of a large database without people's knowledge and consent, often scraping their images off of social media and other places. and therefore, by design is considered a technology of master violence and therefore incompatible with the right to

privacy. we also consider that it's in violation of the right to quality of non discrimination because of the inherent bias issues that exist within health technology is trained on biased data sets. and also because there is a pattern of the technology being deployed, embrace really discriminatory context. and finally, because we find that this technology, this incentivize that participation in protest. and so it's in violation of the rights of freedom, a peaceful assembly and the right to freedom of expression. so you know, by its nature we consider it in violation of international human rights law. and as far as the report is concerned, we've been looking at how facial recognition is reinforcing aspects of a part hide in the occupied palestinian territories. paying particular attention to the ways in which it further exacerbates restriction on the freedom of movement as well as sort of perpetuating the course of environment that is in place to essentially forced palestinians out of areas of strategic interest to his rally

authorities and to illegal is rarely summers. so in this report we expose in particular the red wolf system, which is the system of facial recognition that is deployed at checkpoints in hyper on, in huge to making it very difficult for palestinians to pass into areas to access medical care services such as work as well as a schooling and education and so you find that having to reckon now with an algorithm to access these very basic rights and services are exacerbating the already discriminatory problem, matic and deeply repressive conditions under which policy and just find themselves in, in the west bank and in places like east jerusalem for eastern risk alone, we've looked at the ways in which steam about 2000 and the system which is now equipped with facial recognition is being deployed in areas such as shakes at damascus. gates a line and around a lot. so i'm making it even more difficult for palestinians to resist the illegal

annexation of east jerusalem, finding themselves increasingly surveilled in everyday task, such as attending the family members were meeting up for coffee. but how, how does israel's blue wolf differ from facial recognition programs that have been introduced by governments all over the world, the us and india for example, most of us are monitored constantly these days by cctv other forms of surveillance . wherever we live in the world, it's just the fact of booking society today is that so to be cleared, but there's 2 systems in place currently going to have wrong there is there's a blow up system which is the app based tool that is really soldiers are using to both register palestinian bases and to also. ready look them up and gather all the information, display all the information quickly and instantaneously as a a for example, stopping for risk. a policy and individual direct will system which is deployed at the checkpoint means that now the movement of palestinian is all palestinians are

also heavily restricted. what we found in other uses a base recognition, for example, in new york, where we looked at its usage against black lives matter. protesters or an india is how the technology is used invariably, against protesters to diminish the civic space available to engage in, in civil disobedience in the sense of what's particularly chilling about the way that it's deployed in the context of p o. p t is the ways in which it is governing movements. so literally stifling individuals from being able to access basic rights and services, even in cases in which it's not deployed at the check point. for example, with them about 2000 system or with the blue will. it's very clear the palestinians now have to contend with the additional calculus of fear involved in just engaging an everyday activities. increasingly diminishing the space is available for palestinians to live. we have accounts and testimonies of palestinian families

noticing, noting how in, in hebron the, the incursion of, of, of facial recognition technologies is effectively destroying any form of social life. we'll hear more about what life is, is like living under this kind of surveillance from july to just a moment. the 1st or if i were to ask you about what your former colleagues are telling you about how they feel about israel's use of this technology. what is israel's justification? do you think for using it so the high and thank you for having to be and thank you for also the great for. okay. and let me see with this report. then we were happy to cooperate. i think that's an the 1st of all when we started hearing from is older as we actually use these technologies in the last few years, we noticed the change, you know, we were like it was and breaking the silence in the last day, almost 20 years. we're working to hear about the different ways we can pull at any rate by any of those lines, right?

so a home invasion as a basis to build the dispersion of brought this and, and many other, you know, maybe 30 bucks, roll them all the very, it's a routine eh, part of the way we control the boasting and it, because they didn't even talk about very doors and when we started hearing about these, the use of this is this, we are hearing about it basically a new layer of control. yeah. so if i'm feel now we're, we have been controlling them only by the in the physical space. yeah. in their halls, in their streams, in the process where the night but and not the way in which he's basically controlling but his dns, digital space. yes. what about us being out today? the by their story is not only a feeling like it's a whole lot of being vague at any moment. and so yeah, but also the most private say, you know, a person of a biometric information is also be controlled by them. maybe they're not when you're talking about specific ation, you know, and you think it's different,

the whole bed shouldn't included, including. and he just thought surveillance technology is the justification going security. yeah. when we publish together we the watching from both player and a half ago. and then we did the reset, something similar to what you read in the beginning of your introduction here. and that it's a, in order to improve the lifestyle by these makes our eh, control better and more efficient side effects. the deal, the, the use of the rules, the soldiers that they wanted to check, you know, the background of an individual disrupting the suite. they had to call their a base and give the base their or a id number, and then the, the in the base, the soldiers unit to check the system. now, the big important, they may have to be how the details aren't there. if it's making everything more efficient and, but it's kind of just if you guys have given, you know, the security of the vacation or making everything more efficient, it's gonna be for everything almost. we've seen the buy very door is ending,

then we have to remember what we're talking about here. yeah, we're talking about millions of people living and other people have more than 56 years of military occupation in the call in the context of us. and we know the police didn't have the car stopped in the street to the in the, in the photos or they can. they can, they don't commonsense. they have basically. yeah. do the work. i feel that that's the one who came in other research and marriage. they have no idea what these photos are for. yeah, they can vote for police to go to part of that is against that the how to can go to for any party that is related to the way their control. yeah, they don't vote for her, but it is rarely got her man and, and there are no checks in boxes on these days. somebody says who's maintaining them, who's making sure they don't legally making sure to secure enough. yeah, so okay, thinking the new way through this duplication and look at what actually going on on

the ground, it's very simple to understand. we're talking about the mechanism all fair. they're in drenching elements, a whole corporation in apartheid and not as it is around is relevant to say, improving the both the lifestyle. okay, so out you've written that you live in a surveillance society, which is no different to those depicted and disturb you in science fiction novels. tell us something about everyday life living under such surveillance. what impact does it have directly upon you, your family or your friends? it starts at home doesn't even before you've left the house. yeah, absolutely, absolutely. i think this is the purpose of such a system of intrusive surveillance. it's something it's always interested me like how it affects societies and even to readings, to pin novels or watching like movies. as a kid, i could imagine the psychological and thoughts such as the river side to the hop on people understood why the button to boston uses my life me perhaps a 67 years. i've seen this system of super interest of surveillance being applied

and it is part of our every single aspect for data life, whether it's on the streets, whether it's traveling, seeing family or even communicating online or telephones. and the surveillance is, is existing in every part. of course, it is a layer of many layers of his reading choice to cements and entrenched a system of oppression of apartheid. of said to colonialism. this is how with the, the, the central coordinate with dominique and control of the population. that is, the colonizing, basically. and, you know, as a part of simian as any policy mean will tell you, we already, you face a harsh, harsh reality on every front. some people are facing a imminent force, but evictions from their home, especially in jerusalem or the 3rd off. but as the interest of the mice over a 100000 about us citizens who lives in construction that's deemed to be leaking by

the israel. forty's, of course, it says because of systematically this termination people live in fear and the westbank for you for their life. the supplements expansion and the violence is daily of occurring in every corner. the fact that there's a, another layer with an even further impacts ecological impact on us, the surveillance system. it, it, it, it's supposed to its purpose is to defeat, to us. do not resist this violent. you've got to to that with, if through. you want us to, to put us off from resisting this or of an occupation this ordinary oddity. and you know, when you live in such as the sites the, the thing that gives you hope as it, as an individual, is if you're engaging politically and optimism. and if you're expressing your view as your opposition office, occupational apartheid if you're able to go on a march, if you have some basic liberties to protest and voice, your opposition to the system. the fact that we don't have even the right to protest and the most important basic um on our end popular existence for them,

the most basic forms even posting on social media could get people arrested cards and such as insights. me. so it's, it's a multi layer system of, you know, really by an entry on it up to just to chill out. and you, you also wrote at the savannah, so your personally subjected to is nothing compared to what residents of hebron a cartridge facing, what's, what's going on and helping them whilst the valence on the top of the um, you know, there are many tiers through this uh, system of apartheid. um i my self injurious of the lights. we are constantly controlled and monitored, especially in jerusalem. we are isolated from the rest of the sidney and communities, especially in the west bank, through checkpoints, through the wall. there is a search and indiana to the us as just the lights, stimulus, palestinians, the remote citizens of either state. but we are subjected to a different system because jerusalem has been illegally onyx and 1918 and were subjected to a different legal system. and the westbound policy means or under direct is there

any control and they are subjected to a whole different system and it's every system a judge is with a 99.7 conviction rates of i seem to have close to no rights in the west bank under is just me, it's reputation, but of things i've looked at the rice elsewhere between the industry. but you know in the heart of hebron, you know, there is a such a project that is basically in the heart of the city or federal. and so for example, in novelist, you would, you would consider more of the right to movement and the suffocation, not people feeling when novices besieged, but sacraments are surrounding novelist. everyone's different. the settlers, they don't remember over a 1000, but they are in the heart of the most popular city in the west bank and people as soon as they are subjected to the most cruel regime of apartheid surveillance is the, the, the top and most of these layer you know, you can get stopped when you need to shop for groceries, you can get harass them. you're just cool. the most basic acts of life are always

consechi affected by the system of surveillance. or wouldn't it be cheaper to relocate the small number of his early settlers in the central of hebron rather than investing so much in these surveillance technologies? and so the 1st oh continue from language all ended and i totally agree to him. what one of the things we see in hebron is it's kind of in a cooperation law. yeah. we'll see the different tools, the population, not all the survey lines there. but recently a very prominent thing about surveillance back starting hebron. yeah. belittle. and we know that already existing all over in the west bank. yeah. we haven't soldiers testimonies, but over to west about am using blue, red moves dealer only in the head room and as far as we know, but the very policy goals will be expanded to drug doing that in the future. and we also have other types of technology, you know, recently we saw a remote,

the upgrade to a weapon installed in one of the most important checked pointed pebbles directed towards the policy in your neighborhood. and we already know that after it was installed in the headphones, it was installed in at least 2 other every few decals around the west about so many different ways. we all buy ways we control the didn't even have bought and then expend router was by now about the everyone you know, and if it is and we lose the weight of israel's game a controlling hebron we can see, you know, everybody's kind of a microcosm of the homepage and the idea of a settler in the middle of the city dep 23 check points, the segregated role do of the daily home invasions in, during the boys getting in the neighborhood. and so hard, which is exactly the way we can well, the entire was back. yeah, of course. but if you think about it reasonably, yeah. you would say it doesn't make sense to put

a settlement in the mean of this evening. but unfortunately, right now, and my country not only right now in the last few decades, decided that we want to pursue the masonic the project. yeah. and in order to be suicides. yeah. we, we list always system and not only around the waist, but basically creating a close zone with that know surrounding by see me and see the image of it. but then headphones publishing effect them into the center of the savings. and you know, the broad, his brothers, you know, of course, that is your think about it reasonably economically and so for, you know, we have something weekends over the 1000 soldiers guarding the settlements. yeah. of course it doesn't make sense. but when you look at the politics, yeah, when you look at the broader project on the 2nd, they're more than happy. i mean, if you're all good, okay. and just before we get back to math, july out, you suspect as the something else going on here as well, in that it's not just about the site surveillance technology that people have had

thrown out to a certain extent. the subjects of experiment. this is technologies that, that if the israel wants to profit from it wants to sell the absolutely, i think everyone is an excellent, as already said the, uh, the blob for a i, a technology for so beautifully quantities. and as we all know, that as long as you that starts in this video, oppressive nature and everyone also spreads out the westbank and it's promoted and sold elsewhere across the globe as well. but they have to also point out the fact that also the gaza strip under siege for over 6017 years as also the knob for is drugs needs of technology mostly the way to read the destructive bones that's of of cause atrocities in gaza. so i see that in this extra colonial product in its entirety, is benefiting from to a specific pockets, those logs and learning exactly how to maintain the system of the apartheid and

colonialism. sit on that on entering the industry. and what do we see? and hyperlink is filled everywhere across by this thing we will see in jerusalem as well as missing goes. it's all part of the same idea of domains you can controlling the passing population. no rights, no civil liberties, quality of life. that's old was dwindling, no dignity. i just don't know the most on dignified existence. that's the going to show the designs project myself and find this thing matters. reset the beginning of the program, amnesty is amazing. with your permission representatives, what can the you do about israel is use of facial recognition technologies or any your pin companies involved in supplying the technology is a legal for them to do so at if you manufacturers or in cars not to supply such technologies to israel s and p replaced by homegrown or chinese ones where they and so the 2 companies that we identified were today, security and high provision to gauge security is

a dutch surveillance manufacturer. they are one of many companies that are operating, slash have products available that are off i likelihood of being used together with them about 2000 system in east jerusalem for surveillance. the u. a i act, which is the landmark legislation currently under negotiation at the you is a one avenue through which we can challenge the ways in which these technologies are currently supporting and enabling the scaling of the part type policies against palestinians. india by palestinian territories. we've been particularly concerned with what it would mean to potentially increase the pro had visions and what we class as being prohibited under the way i acts such that a proposal that is suggesting the banning of export of any technology that would be deemed as prohibited in the u. context from being exported to add these reality authorities or any other uh, state outside of the you context for you,

search for human rights abuses elsewhere. so if we can get the at the i asked to a point under which, for example, retrospectives, remote biometric technologies would be prohibited. we would also be in a situation in which hopefully a, with some courage, the technologies that would be used for, for these purposes in bias. rarely, authorities in the policy and territories could also be prohibited. as for whether these rarely authorities might find another avenue for supplying themselves with technologies that can be used for facial recognition. of course, there may be other avenues and they may even be home grown. however, by a weakening the, the, the, the supply of hardware that is used together with facial recognition systems that are being supplied from you. and from from else swear. especially given obligations that these companies have under the un guiding principles, for example,

to ensure that they have human rights due diligence in place. that they are not that their products are not, for example, are supporting and enabling international grave crimes that we can create a non permissive environment for companies to engage with for helping the scaling of a part of our policies. but not the sacraments are illegal. the waters are legal. this, the valence we're discussing is part of a legal occupation, as well as jessica to ignore any outcry and honesty, campaigning on this issue. like it always has your shows again, the doc hunt you it may well be that we're shouting into the dogs. though, of course, the amnesty, the motto, it tends to be that it's, it's better to, to, to light a candle than to curse out the darkness. and in this case, i think that's very true. because as we begin to make it more non permissible to engage in the supply of surveillance technology, as we begin to create almost a repugnant market, as it were around the supply of surveillance in a i,

technologies making it distasteful and, and, and public knowledge that indeed human rights violations are, are being effectuated by the usage of the technologies in places like palestine. then we begin to make it more possible to weaken the system and to indeed bring even trials outside of the context of israel and palestine to the floor. i think it's very important that we begin to shine a light on how technology so sometimes can seem a little assemble or hard to grasp are leading to real human rights consequences everywhere. and indeed, i think in the european context, there should be some cause to rethink and stop and take a pause and consider what it would look like to have technology. is that a restrict then the freedom of movement deployed here, because that is what we're seeing. the natural conclusion of already i've got about 30 seconds left. so quick concept please. this is any of this pressure going to make any difference with the disease rocha. you know, unfortunately,

right now with the most and friends only the government that ever seen, eh, and i'm saying these other, these riley and that you and our friends, you know, even also the us are not doing and you know, and the product by his deals and also not the real bar society, but we definitely believe that we and the organizations like i'm gonna be, must keep doing these war to bring these realities into brussels, into the state. because eventually we will believe that they will take action. we just need it to be as soon as possible and not the way. i like it that way you can right now gentlemen, that we must end our discussion many thanks indeed to you for being with us, said mack, my body july i'll i will have to and a or a give basi. and as always, thank you for watching to have you guys, you can see the program again at any time by going to the website, which is 0 dot com. and for further discussion, join us at our facebook page, facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. and you can join the conversation on twitter handle at

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