for seen and the things quite on this scale, which detailed coverage, how was this allowed to happen? who's responsible and should safety standards be changed from around the world? ukrainian soldiers in this area said that they were going to try and exploit and push hard to hold off, loaded with wagner, played such a fundamental role. israel under pressure of and so cold or somebody just the policies. it's accused of using facial recognition. technology is a control palestinians in the okay, by the west bank. so how far does that breach that previously does this technology really offer israel praise of security? this is inside story, the other welcome to the program. i'm adrian instead of going israel is use of us

official intelligence to mess, avail, palestinians in the occupied west bank. that's the focus of talks this week between the end of amnesty international and you commission officials in brussels. the human rights organization says that is, ryan is employing what it calls, automated a policies to build a digital data base of the palestinian population form is where the soldiers say they've been ordered to photograph people to update boss data basis. palestinians say it's yet another invasion of the privacy. how does it as laura com reports? military checkpoints, cameras, android lots. these are part of the day the reality for posting and sleeping in the occupied westbank and now is relas rolling out more did she tools display on them? one is a facial recognition technology called blue roof. this describes as a facebook of israel for occupation. hebron is considered one of the world's most availed regions,

but honestly says it's now being rolled out across the occupied westbank in the report called automated, apostolic pretty slow, se month. it said the blue of technology can in trends, disadvantages disempower much in life groups. so was his pretty wolf, the washington post notes the use of it 2 years ago. smells cameras track and recognize people's faces is ready. so just use the technology to take pictures of palestinians and add them to a false that were compelled to mobile phones. and the scenes national says it creates a game, a slight system of competition underlying the system. that means it gets sold as an incentive to compete in creating the highest number of profiles of posting and is ready for us to say the main challenge they face in hebron is friction between is ready set most and posting ins. and the technology allows and trucks foster as many posting a residence, a sense has been installed by his radio authorities and directed into the private homes and even bedrooms. and the,

this is just another pervasive technology to show the palestinians that being watched. laura comes inside story out, is there a as well, we contacted the date is where they always was, why it's using a surveillance technology and for its response to the report, it said it carries out necessary security and intelligence operations. well, making significant efforts to minimize home to the palestinian populations routine activity. the statement also says that the ministry cannot refer to operational unintelligence capabilities in this context. that's bringing, i'll guess for today's discussion from brussels, we're joined by matt, my 40 artificial intelligence and human rights advisor and honestly, international. he's the lead also of this report from okey buddies, jerusalem, july i'll, i will come to who's a ride community leader of the rights to move from palestine and in tennessee. or

you give us the advocacy director at breaking the silence. a non governmental organization established by a veteran is really soldiers, so will welcome to your map. let's start with you. tell us more about this, amnesty report and it's findings. why does amnesty consider the facial recognition of technology that should be banned or at the very least? severely restricted to be clear embassies policy is that there should be a band and facial recognition technologies for mass surveillance and for discriminatory surveillance, because the technology is simply incompatible with international human rights law. the technology depends on the curation of a large database without people's knowledge and consent, often scraping their images off of social media and other places. and therefore, by design is considered a technology of master violence and therefore incompatible with the right to privacy. we also considered that it's in violation of the right to quality of non discrimination because of the inherent bias issues that exist within health

technology is trained on biased data sets. and also because there is a pattern of the technology being deployed and racially discriminatory context. and finally, because we find that this technology, this incentivize that participation in protest. and so it's in violation of the rights of freedom of peaceful assembly and the right to freedom of expression. so you know, by its nature we consider it in violation of international human rights law. and as far as the report is concerned, we've been looking at how facial recognition is reinforcing aspects of a part hide in the occupied palestinian territories. paying particular attention to the ways in which it further exacerbates restriction on the freedom of movement as well as sort of perpetuating the course of the environment that is in place to essentially forced palestinians out of areas of strategic interest to his rally authorities and to illegal is rarely settlers, so in this report we expose in particular the red bulls the system which is the system of facial recognition that is deployed at checkpoints in hyper on,

in huge to making it very difficult for palestinians to pass into areas to access medical care services. such as work as well as a schooling and education. and so you find that having to reckon now with an algorithm to access these very basic rights and services are exacerbating the already discriminatory problem. matic and deeply regressive conditions under which policy and just find themselves in, in the west bank and in places like east jerusalem for easter risk alarm, we've looked at the ways in which the ma bought 2000 and the system which is now equipped with facial recognition is being deployed in areas such as shakes it uh, damascus, gates a line and around deluxe. so making it even more difficult for palestinians to resist the illegal annexation of east jerusalem. finding themselves increasingly surveilled in everyday task, such as attending family members were meeting up for coffee. but how,

how does israel's blue wolf differ from facial recognition programs that have been introduced by governments all over the world, the us and india for example, most of us are monitored constantly these days by cctv other forms of surveillance . wherever we live in the world, it's just the fact of booking society today is that so to be cleared, but there's 2 systems in place currently and have wrong there is. there's a blow up system which is the app based tool that is really soldiers are using to both register palestinian bases and to also. ready look them up and gather all the information, display all the information quickly and instantaneously as a a for example, stopping for risk. a policy and individual direct will system which is deployed at the checkpoint means that now the movement of palestinian is all palestinians are also heavily restricted. what we found in other uses a base recognition, for example, in new york, where we looked at its usage against black lives matter. protesters or an india is

how the technology is used invariably, against the protesters to diminish the civic space available to engage in, in civil disobedience in the sense of what's particularly chilling about the way that it's deployed in the context of p o. p t is the ways in which it is governing movements. so literally stifling individuals from being able to access basic rights and services, even in cases in which it's not deployed at the check point. for example, with them about 2000 system or with the blue will. it's very clear the palestinians now have to contend with the additional calculus of fear involved in just engaging an everyday activities. increasingly diminishing the space is available for palestinians to live. we have accounts and testimonies of palestinian families noticing, noting how in, in hebron the, the incursion of, of, of facial recognition technologies is effectively destroying any form of social

life. we'll hear more about what life is, is like living under this kind of surveillance from july to just a moment. the 1st or if i were to ask you about what your former colleagues are telling you about how they feel about israel's use of this technology. what is israel's justification? do you think for using it so the high and thank you for having to be and thank you for also the grateful. okay. and let me see with this report, then we were happy to cooperate. i think that's an the 1st of all when we started hearing from is older as we actually use these technologies in the last few years, we noticed the change, you know, we were like it was and breaking the silence in the last day, almost 20 years. we're working to hear about the different ways we can pull and innovate, but to see me on those lines. right. so a invasion home invasions the invasions, to build the dispersion of brought this and, and many other know maybe 35 drove and all the very, it's a routine eh,

part of the way we control the boasting at it because they didn't even talk about their doors and when we started hearing about these, the use of these systems, we are hearing about it basically a new layer of control. yeah. so if i'm feel now we're, we have been controlling them only by the in the physical space. yeah. in their halls, in those 3, it's in the process where the name of another man which is basically controlling but as being on the digital space the to day, the by very story is not only a feeling like as a whole by being vague at any moment. yeah, but also the most private say, you know, parents of most a biometric information is also be controlled by them. maybe they're not when you're talking about just if occasion, you know, and you think it's different, the whole bed shouldn't included including. and he just felt surveillance. technology is, this is difficult. i said it's always security. yeah. when we publish together with

ordering from both theory and a half ago and the military said something similar to what you read in the beginning of your introduction here. and that it's a, in order to improve the idea of live style by if it makes our eh, control better and more efficient side effects. the deal, the, the use of the rules, the soldiers that they wanted to check, you know, the background of an individual disrupting the speech. they had to call their a base and give their base their for a id number, and then the base, the soldiers unit to check the system. now, the big important they may have to be half of the bales, the arthur, if it's making everything more efficient. and, but it's kind of just, if you guys have given, you know, uh the security will give you guys that are making everything more efficient and it's gonna be for everything almost. we've seen they'll go by their doors lending, then we have to remember what we're talking about here. yeah, we're talking about millions of people leaving the other. oh yeah. more than 56

years of military, a corporation in the call in the context us. and i mean, other brothers didn't have the car stopped in the street to the in the photos are they can they can, they don't come sense. they have basically. yeah. do the work. i feel that that's the one who came in other research and marriage. they have no idea what these photos are for. yeah, they can vote for police to go to part of this again. is that the how the kids go to for any party that is related to the way they're controlled? yeah, they don't vote for her. but, and he's really got her man and, and there are no checks and balances on these days. somebody says who's maintaining them, who's making sure they don't legally making sure to secure enough. yeah, so okay, thinking that may lead through this duplication and look at what actually going on on the ground. it's very simple to understand. we're talking about the mechanism of fair there in drenching elements of organization in apartheid and not as it is around is relevant to say, improving the both the lifestyle. okay,

so out you've written that you live in a surveillance society, which is no different to those depicted into stroke in science fiction novels. tell us something about everyday life living under such surveillance. what impact does it have directly upon you, your family, of your friends? it starts at home. does that even before you've left the house? yeah, absolutely, absolutely. i think this is the purpose of such a system of intrusive surveillance. it's something it's always interested me in a call with the effect societies and even to readings therapy, novels or watching like movies. as a kid, i could imagine the psychological and thoughts such as the river side to it. hop on people understood a lot of the button to boston uses my life, me perhaps a 67 years. i've seen this system of super interest of surveillance being applied and it is part of our every single aspect for data life,

whether it's on the streets, whether it's traveling, seeking family or even communicating online or telephones at the surveillance is, is existing in every part of course, it is a layer of many layers of his reading choice to cement and in transfer system of oppression of apartheid. of said to colonialism. this is how with the, the, the central coordinate with dominates and control of the population. that is there colonizing, basically. and you know, as a protestant in any policy and will tell you, we are ready, you face a harsh, harsh reality on every front. some people are facing a imminent force, but evictions from their home, especially in jerusalem or the 3rd off. but as the interest of the mice over a 100000 about us citizens who live in construction that's deemed to be leaking by the israel. forty's, of course it since because of systematic discrimination, people live in fear in the west bank for you, for their life. the sacraments,

expansion, and dividing since daily and occurring in every corner. the fact that there's a, another layer with an even further inbox, ecological impact on us, the surveillance system. it, it, it, it's supposed to, its purpose is to defeat, to us, do not resist this violent, you've got to, to that we looked through. you want us to, to put us off from resisting this or of an occupation this horrible reality. and you know, when you live in such as the sites the, the thing that gives you hope as it, as an individual is if you're engaging politically and activism. and if you're expressing your view as your opposition office, occupational apartheid if you're able to go on a march, if you have some basic liberties to protest and boyce your opposition to the assistance, the fact that we don't have even the right to protest and the most important basic um on our end, popular existence for them, the most basic forms even posting and social media, it could get people arrested cards and such as insights. me. so it's, it's a multi layer system of reading by the entry on it up to look through july. you

also wrote at the savannah, is that your personally subjected to is nothing compared to what residents have hebron currently facing? what's, what's going on and helping them? why is the valence on the top of the um, you know, there are many tiers through this uh, system of apartheid. um i my self injurious of the night. we are constantly controlled and monitored, especially in jerusalem. we are isolated from the rest of the sidney and communities, especially in the west bank, through check points through the wall. there is a search and the attitude got us as just the lights, stimulus, palestinians, the remote citizens of either state. but we are subjected to a different system because jerusalem has been illegally onyx and 1918 and were subjected to a different legal system. in the west, i'm part of citizens or under direct is there any control and they are subjected to a whole different system. i'm, it's very system. a judge is where the 99.7 conviction rates of i seem to have

close to no rights in the west bank under as your estimates are, occupation, lot of things. i've looked at the rice elsewhere between the embassy. but you know in the heart of hebron, you know, there is a such a project that is basically in the heart of the city of hadron. for example, in novelist, you would, you would consider more of the right to movement and the suffocation, not people feel when novices besieged, but sacraments are surrounding, and novelist everyone's different. the settlers, you don't remember over a 1000, but they are in the heart of the most popular city in the west bank and people. but as soon as they are subjected to the most cruel regime of apartheid surveillance is the, the, the top and most of these layer, you know, you can get stopped when you need to shop for groceries, you can get harass them. you're just cool. the most basic acts of life are always consechi affected by the system of surveillance. or wouldn't it be cheaper to relocate the small number of his early settlers in the center of hebron rather than

investing so much in the surveillance technologies? so 1st i'll continue from language all ended and i totally agree to him. what one of the things we see in hebron is it's kind of in a corporation law. yeah. we see different to the patient, not only surveillance there, but recently a very prominent thing about surveillance back starting hebron. yeah. belittle. and we know that the already existing all over in the west bank. yeah. we haven't soldiers testimonies, but over to west about am using the blue, red moves dealer only had one of us. finally, we know, but the very a possible will be expanded to drug doing that in the future. and we also have other advice of technology, you know, recently we saw a remote, the upgrade to a weapon installed in one of the most important check, pointed tables directed towards the policy in your neighborhood. and we already know that after it was spoken to headphones,

it was installed in at least 2 other every few decals around the west about so many different ways. we all buy ways, we control the didn't even have bought and then expense router was by now about the everyone you know, and if it is and we look at the way that is really the game a controlling hebron we can see, you know, everybody's kind of a microcosm of the homepage and the idea of a settler in the middle of the city dep 23 check points. you have a good role. do you have a daily home invasions in during the boys getting in the neighborhood and so hard, which is exactly the way we quoted the welding powers book. yeah, of course, but if you think about it reasonably, yeah. you would say it doesn't make sense to put a settlement in the mean of this evening, but unfortunately right now and my country not only right now in the last few decades, decided that we want to pursue the masonic the project. yeah. and in order to be

suicides. yeah, we, we, let's start with the man not only around the waist, but basically creating a close zone with that know, surrounding by cmc, the jobs that back in headphones publishing effect them into the center of the savings. and you know, the broad, his brothers, you know, of course, that is your think about it reasonably economically and so for, you know, help us up in the weekends or in a 1000 soldiers guarding the settlements. yeah, of course it doesn't make sense. but when you look at the politics, yeah, when you're looking at the broader project on the 2nd, they're more than happy to buy your own stuff. good. okay. and just before we get back to math, july out, you suspect there's that, there's something else going on here. as well in that it's not just about the site surveillance technology that people have had thrown out to a certain extent. the subjects of experiment. this is technologies, but that if the israel wants to profit from it wants to sell as absolutely,

i think everyone is an excellent, as already said the uh, the blob for a i a technology for so realistic quantities. and as we all know, that as long as you that starts in this video, oppressive nature and everyone also spreads out the westbank and it's promoted and sold elsewhere across the globe as well. but they have to also point out the fact that also the gaza strip under siege for over 6017 years is also the knob for is drugs to meet that technology mostly the way to read the destructive bones that's of of cause atrocities in gaza. so i see that in this extra colonial product in its entirety, is benefiting from to a specific pockets, those logs and learning exactly how to maintain the system of the apartheid and colonialism throughout that on entering the industry. and what do we see and heverland is filled everywhere across by this thing we will see in jerusalem as

well as missing goes. it's all part of the same idea of domains you can controlling the passing population of no rights, no civil liberties, quality of life. that's old was dwindling, no dignity, i just don't know the most on dignified existence. that's the going to show the designs project myself and box spring mattress. we said the beginning of the program amnesty is facing whether you commission representatives, what could the you do about israel is use of facial recognition technologies or any your pin companies involved in supplying the technology is a legal for them to do so at if you manufacturers or in cars not to supply such technologies, to israel though simply replaced by homegrown or chinese ones where they so the 2 companies that we identified were t. j. security and high provision to gauge security is a dutch surveillance manufacturer. they're one of many companies that are operating, slash have products available that are off i likelihood of being used together with

them about 2000 and the system needs to rest along for surveillance. the u. a i act, which is the landmark legislation currently under negotiation at the you is a one avenue through which we can challenge the ways in which these technologies are currently supporting and enabling the scaling of the part type policies against palestinians in the palestinian territories. we've been particularly concerned with what it would mean to potentially increase the product visions and what we class as being prohibited under the way i acts such that a proposal that is suggesting the banning of export of any technology that would be deemed as prohibited in the u context from being exported to add these reality authorities or any other uh state outside of the you context for you search for human rights abuses elsewhere. so if we can get the at the i asked to

a point under which for example, retrospective remote biometric technologies would be prohibited. we would also be in a situation in which hopefully a, with some courage, the technologies that would be used for, for these purposes. and biased rarely, authorities in the policy and territories could also be prohibited. as for whether these rarely authorities might find another avenue for supplying themselves with technologies that can be used for facial recognition. of course, there may be other avenues and they may even be home grown. however, by a weakening the, the, the, the supply of hardware that is used together with facial recognition systems that are being supplied from you. and from from else swear, especially given obligations that these companies have under the un guiding principles, for example, to ensure that they have human rights due diligence in place. that they are not that their products are not, for example, thoughts supporting and enabling international grave crimes that we can create

a non permissive environment for companies to engage with helping the scaling of apartheid policies. but not the sacraments are illegal. the waters are legal. the surveillance we're discussing is part of a legal occupation, as well as just going to ignore any outcry and honesty, campaigning on this issue like it always has your shots again, the doc hunt you. it may well be that we're shouting into the dogs, though, of course the amnesty, the motto, it tends to be that it's, it's better to, to, to light a candle then to curse out the darkness. and in this case, i think that's very true because as we begin to make it more non permissible to engage in the supply of surveillance technology as we begin to create almost a repugnant market, as it were around the supply of surveillance in a i, technologies making a distasteful and, and, and public knowledge that indeed human rights violations are, are being effectuated by the usage of the technologies in places like palestine.

then we begin to make it more possible to beacon the system and to indeed bring even trials outside of the context of israel and palestine to the floor. i think it's very important that we begin to shine a light on how technology so sometimes can seem a little assemble or hard to grasp are leading to real human rights consequences everywhere. and indeed, i think in the european context, there should be some cause to rethink and stop and take a pause and consider what it would look like to have technology. is that a restrict the freedom of movement deployed here? because that is what we're seeing, the natural conclusion of already i've got about 30 seconds left. so quick concept please. this is any of this pressure going to make any difference with the disease rocha a little unfortunately, right now with the most of the runners, only the government that ever seen, eh, and i'm saying these other, these riley. and that you and our friends, you know,

even also the us are not doing enough, you know, and also brought back by his deals and also not through the bar society. but we definitely believe that we in the organizations like i'm gonna be, must keep doing before to bring these realities into brussel into the state. because eventually we will believe that they will take action. we just need it to be as soon as possible and not the way like they are waiting right now. gentlemen, that we must hand out discussion many thanks. indeed to to you for being with us. mack, my body july i'll, i will have to and a, or a give basi. and as always, thank you for watching to have you guys, you can see the program again at any time by going to the website. how does 0 don't com for further discussion, join us at all facebook page. facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story, and you can join the conversation on twitter handle at a inside story from me every, instead of going to the whole team here. let's see again plus the,

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