for the latest news, as it breaks the lives here over the years have had to grow used to repeated set through attacks to they say they've never before seen anything quite on this scale with detailed coverage. how was this allowed to happen? who's responsible and should safety standards be changed from around the world? ukrainian soldiers in this area said that they were going to try and exploit and push hard to hold off, loaded with wagner, played such a fundamental role. israel under pressure of and so cold or somebody just the policies, it's accused of using facial recognition technology to control palestinians any occupied westbank. so how far does that breach that per the seats and does this technology really offer israel greatest security? this is inside story. the

hello welcome to the program. i'm adrian said again, israel is use of artificial intelligence to mess, avail, palestinians in the occupied westbank. that's the focus of talks this week between members of amnesty international and e commission officials in brussels. the human rights organization says the is ran, is employing what it calls alternate to the policies to build a digital data base of the protestant in population for my is where the soldiers say they've been ordered to photograph people to update the vast data bases. palestinians say it's yet another invasion of that per the see. how does it as laura com reports, military check points, cameras and roadblocks. these are part of the day, the reality for posting and sleeping in the occupied westbank. and now israel is rolling out more digital tools despite them. one is a facial recognition technology, cold blue roof. this describes as

a facebook of israel's occupation. hebron is considered one of the world's most availed regions, but um, as he says, it's now being rolled out across the occupied westbank. the report quote also made his apostolic pretty slough month. it's a blue of technology. can in trends, disadvantages disempower much in life groups. so what was his pretty wolf, the washington post notes of the use of it 2 years ago, smells cameras track and recognize people's faces is ready. so just use the technology to take pictures of palestinians and add them to a false that were compelled to mobile phones. and the scenes national says it creates a game of fight system of competition underlying the system. that means it gets sold as an incentive to compete in creating the highest number of profiles of posting and is ready for us to say the main challenge they face in hebron is friction between is ready set missing palestinians. and the technology allows and

trucks false to and many posting in residence, a sense has been installed by its way to authorities and directed into the private homes and even bedrooms. and the, this is just another pervasive technology to show the palestinians that being watched. laura comes inside story out, is there a as well, we contacted the date is where they always was, why it's using a surveillance technology and for its response to the report, it said it carries out necessary security and intelligence operations while making significant efforts to minimize home to the palestinian population is routine activity. the statement also says that the ministry cannot refer to operational and intelligence capabilities in this context. that's bringing, i guess, for today's discussion from brussels, we're joined by matt, my 40 artificial intelligence and the human rights advisor. around the states and national he's the lead off of this report from ok, buddies jerusalem july i'll,

i'll go carter who's a rice, a community leader of the rights to move from palestine and in tennessee or give us the advocacy director at breaking the silence. a non governmental organization established by a veteran is really soldiers, so will welcome to your map. let's start with you. tell us more about this. i'm the state of report and it's findings. why does amnesty consider the facial recognition of technology that should be banned or at the very least severely restricted to be clear? embassies policy is that there should be a band and facial recognition technologies for mass surveillance and for discriminatory surveillance. because the technology is simply incompatible with international human rights law. the technology depends on the curation of a large database without people's knowledge and consent, often scraping their images off of social media and other places. and therefore, by design is considered a technology of mass surveillance and therefore incompatible with the right to

privacy. we also considered that it's in violation of the right to quality of non discrimination because of the inherent bias issues that exist within health technology is trained on biased data sets. and also because there is a pattern of the technology being deployed, embrace really discriminatory context. and finally, because we find that this technology, this incentivize that participation in protest. and so it's in violation of the rights of freedom of peaceful assembly and the right to freedom of expression. so you know, by its nature we consider it in violation of international human rights law. and as far as the report is concerned, we've been looking at how facial recognition is reinforcing aspects of a part hide in the occupied palestinian territories. paying particular attention to the ways in which it further exacerbates restriction on the freedom of movement as well as sort of perpetuating the course of environment that is in place to essentially forced palestinians out of areas of strategic interest to his rally

authorities and to illegal is rarely summers. so in this report we expose in particular the red wolf system, which is the system of facial recognition that is deployed at checkpoints in hyper on, in huge to making it very difficult for palestinians to pass into areas to access medical care services such as work as well as a schooling and education and so you find that having to reckon now with an algorithm to access these very basic rights and services are exacerbating the already discriminatory problem, matic and deeply repressive conditions under which policy and just find themselves in, in the west bank and in places like east jerusalem for eastern risk alone, we've looked at the ways in which steam about 2000 and the system which is now equipped with facial recognition is being deployed in areas such as shakes it uh, damascus. gates a line and around deluxe. so i'm making it even more difficult for palestinians to resist the illegal annexation of east jerusalem,

finding themselves increasingly surveilled in everyday task, such as attending family members were meeting up for coffee. but how, how does israel's blue wolf differ from facial recognition programs that have been introduced by governments all over the world, the us and india for example, most of us are monitored constantly these days by cctv other forms of surveillance . wherever we live in the world, it's just a fact apartments society today is that so to be cleared, but there's 2 systems in place currently and have wrong there is. there's a blow up system which is the app based tool that is really soldiers are using to both register palestinian bases and to also. ready look them up and gather all the information, display all the information quickly and instantaneously as a a for example, stopping for risk. a policy and individual direct will system which is deployed at the checkpoint means that now the movement of palestinian is all palestinians are

also heavily restricted. what we found in other uses a base your recognition, for example, in new york, where we looked at this usage against black lives matter. protesters or in india is how the technology is used. invariably, against protesters to diminish the civic space available to engage in, in civil disobedience in the sense of what's particularly chilling about the way that it's deployed in the context of the o. p t is the ways in which it is governing movements. so literally stifling individuals from being able to access basic rights and services even in cases in which it's not deployed at the check point. for example, with them about 2000 and system or with the blue will. it's very clear, the palestinians now have to contend with the additional calculus of fear involved in just engaging an everyday activities. increasingly diminishing the space is available for palestinians to live. we have accounts and testimonies of palestinian families noticing, noting how in, in hebron the, the incursion of, of,

of facial recognition technologies is effectively destroying any form of social life will have more about what life is, is like living under this kind of surveillance from july to just a moment, the 1st or if i were to ask you about what your former colleagues are telling you about how they feel about as well as use of this technology. what is israel's justification? do you think for using it so the high and thank you for having to be and thank you for all. so that'd be great for k. if i missed you with this report, then we were happy to cooperate. i think that's an the 1st of all when we started hearing from is older as we actually use these technologies in the last few years, we noticed the change, you know, we were like it was and breaking the silence in the last day, almost 20 years. we're working to hear about the different ways we can pull at any rate, but if any of those lines, right? so a home invasion is

a basis to be able to just dispersion of brought this and, and many other, you know, maybe 30 patrol all the very, it's a routine eh, part of the way we control the both the and it because they didn't even talk about very doors and when we started hearing about these, the use of these, these steps we are hearing about it basically a new layer of control. yeah. so if i'm feel now we're, we have been controlling them only by the in the physical space. yeah. in their halls, in their streams, in the process where the night but in other land, which is basically controlling but as being young, digital space. yes. what about us being out today? the by very story is not only a feeling like it's a whole lot of being vague at any moment. yeah. but also the most private, say, you know, the most a biometric information is also be controlled by the media to know when you're talking about just verification, you know, and you think it's different,

the whole bed shouldn't included including. and he just thought surveillance technology is the justification going security. yeah. when we publish together, we know watching from both theory and a half ago and i mean is there, is that something similar to what you read in the beginning of your introduction here? yeah. that it's a, in order to improve the lifestyle by if it makes our eh, control better and more efficient side effects. the deal, the, the use of the rules, the soldiers that they wanted to check, you know, the background of an individual disrupting the speed. they had to call their a base and give the base their or a id number. and then the, the in the base, the soldiers unit to check the system. now the big important, they mean if the holiday they'll see either if it's making everything more efficient and, but it's kind of just if you guys have given, you know, uh, the security of the guys that are making everything more efficient. and it's gonna be for everything almost. we've seen the buy very door is ending,

then we have to remember what we're talking about here. yeah, we're talking about millions of people leaving the other. oh yeah. more than 56 years of military occupation in the call in the context of the start stopped in the street to the in the, in the photos are they can they can, they don't come since they have basically yeah. do the work. i feel that that's the one who came in other research and marriage. they have no idea what these photos are for. yeah, they can vote for i believe you got part of that is again, is that the how to can go to for anybody that is related to the way their control? yeah, they don't vote for her, but it is rarely got her man and, and there are no checks in boxes on these days. somebody says who is maintaining them? who's making sure they don't clique, we making sure they're secure enough. yeah, so okay, thinking the new way through this duplication and look at what actually going on on the ground,

it's very simple to understand. we're talking about the mechanism all fair. they're in drenching elements, a whole corporation in apartheid and not as it is around is relevant to say, improving the both the lifestyle. okay, so out you've written that you live in a surveillance society, which is new, different to those depicted into stroke in science fiction novels. tell us something about everyday life living under such surveillance. what impact does it have directly upon you, your family or your friends? it starts at home, doesn't even before you've left the house. yeah, absolutely, absolutely. i think this is the purpose of such a system of intrusive surveillance. it's something it's always interested me in a call with the effect societies and even to readings therapy, novel or watching like movies. as a kid, i could imagine the psychological and thoughts such as the river side to the hop on people, understood a lot of the button to boston uses my life, me perhaps a 67 years. i've seen this system of super interest of surveillance being applied

and it is part of our every single aspect for data life, whether it's on the streets, whether it's traveling, seeking family or even communicating online or telephones. and the surveillance is, is existing in every part. of course, it is a layer of many layers of his reading choice to cements and entrenched a system of oppression of apartheid, of said to colonialism. this is how with the, the, the central coordinate with, dominates and controls, the population. that is there colonizing, basically. and you know, as a protest, i mean, as any policy and will tell you, we are ready, you face a harsh, harsh reality on every front. some people are facing a imminent force, but evictions from their home, especially in jerusalem or the 3rd off. but as the interest of the mice over a 100000 other students who live in construction that's deemed to be leaking by the

israel. forty's, of course it since because of systematically discrimination. people live in fear in the west bank for you, for their life, the supplements expansion and dividing since daily and occurring in every corner. the fact that there's a, another layer with an even further impacts ecological impact on us must have been in the system. it, it, it, it's supposed to its purpose is to defeat, to us. do not resist this violent. you've got to, to that with, if through, you want us to, to put us off from resisting this or of an occupation, this horrible reality. and you know, when you live in such as the sites the, the thing that gives you hope as it, as an individual, is if you're engaging politically and optimism. and if you're expressing your view as your opposition office, occupational apartheid if you're able to go on a march, if you have some basic liberties to protest and boyce your opposition to the system . the fact that we don't have even the right to protest and the most important basic um on our end popular existence for them,

the most basic forms even posting and social media could get people arrested towards and such as insight to me. so it's, it's a multi layered system of reading by the entry on it up to the, to july. you also wrote that the surveillance that your personally subjected to is nothing compared to what residents have hebron currently facing. what's, what's going on in here for them? why is the valence on the top of the um, you know, there are many tiers through this uh, system of apartheid. um i my self injurious to the lights. we are constantly controlled and monitored especially injurious to them. we are isolated from the rest of the body, sidney and communities, especially in the west bank, through checkpoints, through the wall. there is a search and indiana to the us as just the lights, stimulus, palestinians, the remote citizens of either state. but we are subjected to a different system because jerusalem has been illegally onyx and 1918 and were subjected to a different legal system. and the west i'm part of sydney and so are under direct.

is there any control they are subjected to a whole different system and it's every system a judge is with a 99.7 conviction rates of i seem to have close to no rights and the westbank 100 is just me. it's reputation. but of things i've looked at the rice elsewhere between the industry, but you know in the heart of hebron, you know, there is a such a project that is basically in the heart of the city or federal. and so for example, in novelists you would, you would consider more of the right to movement and the suffocation, not people feeling when novices besieged, but sacraments are surrounding novelist. everyone's different. the settlers, they don't remember over a 1000, but they are in the heart of the most popular city in the west bank and people as soon as they are subjected to the most cruel regime of apartheid surveillance is the, the, the top and most of these layer you know, you can get stopped when you need to shop for groceries, you can get harass them. you're just cool. the most basic acts of life are always

consechi affected by the system of surveillance. or wouldn't it be cheaper to relocate the small number of his early settlers in the central of hebron rather than investing so much in the surveillance technologies or so 1st, oh, continue from language all ended and i totally agree to him what one of the things we see in hebron is it's kind of in a compassion law. yeah. we'll see the different tools, the patient not all the survey lines there. but recently a very prominent thing about surveillance back starting hebron. yeah. belittle. and we know that already existing all over in the west bank. yeah, we haven't soldiers, testimonies, but all over to west about am using blue, red moves dealer only in head room and as far as we know, but the very possible will be expanded to drug doing that in the future. and we also have other types of technology, you know, recently we saw a remote,

the upgrade to a weapon installed in one of the most important checked, pointed federal directed towards the policy in your neighborhood. and we already know that after it was spoken to headphones, it was installed in at least 2 other every few decals around the west about so many different ways. we all buy ways we control the didn't even have bought and then expend router was the know about the everyone you know, and if it is and we look at the way that is really the game a controlling hebron we can see, you know, everybody's kind of a microcosm of the homepage and the idea of a settler in the middle of the city dep 23 check points, the segregate the role due of the daily home invasions in, during the supposed in the neighborhood. and so hard, which is exactly the way we quoted the welding pile with book. yeah, of course, but if you think about it reasonably, yeah. you would say it doesn't make sense to put a settlement in the mean of this evening. but unfortunately, right now,

and my country not only right now in the last few decades, decided that we want to pursue these masonic their projects. yeah. and in order to be suicides. yeah. we, we list, i wish the man not only around the waist, but basically creating a close zone with that know surrounding by see me and see the image of that. but then headphones publishing effect them into the center of the savings. and you know that there's a broad as broad there. you know, of course that is your think about it reasonably economically and so for, you know, we have some in weekends over the 1000 soldiers guarding the settlements. yeah. of course it doesn't make sense. but when you look at the politics, yeah, when you look at the broader project on the 2nd, they're more than happy to buy your own stuff. good. okay. and just before we get back to math, july out, you suspect as the something else going on here as well, in that it's not just about the so surveillance technology that people have had

thrown out to a certain extent. the subjects of experiment. this is technologies, but that if the israel wants to profit from it wants to sell the absolutely, i think everyone is an excellent, as already said the uh, the blob for a i a technology for service technologies. and as we all know, that as long as you that starts in this video, oppressive nature and everyone also spreads throughout the westbank and it's promoted and sold elsewhere across the globe as well. but they have to also point out the fact that also the gaza strip under siege for over 6017 years is also the knob for is drugs to meet that technology mostly the way to read the destructive bones that's of of cause atrocities and gaza. so i see that in this extra corner product in its entirety, is benefiting from to a specific pockets those lots and learning exactly how to maintain the system of

the apartheid and colonialism. sit on entering the industry and what do we see? and heverland is filled everywhere across by this thing we will see in jerusalem as well as missing goes. it's all part of the same idea of domains you can controlling the passing population. no rights, no civil liberties, quality of life. that's old was dwindling, no dignity. i just don't know the most on dignified existence. that's the going to show the designs project myself and find this thing matters. reset the beginning of the program, amnesty is amazing. with your permission representatives, what can the you do about israel is use of facial recognition technologies or any your pin companies involved in supplying the technology is a legal for them to do so at if you, manufacturers are encouraged not to supply such technologies to israel though, simply replaced by homegrown or chinese ones where they and so the 2 companies that we identified were today, security and high provision to gauge security is

a dutch surveillance manufacturer. they are one of many companies that are operating, slash have products available that are off i likelihood of being used together with them about 2000 and the system in east jerusalem for surveillance. the u. a i act, which is the landmark legislation currently under negotiation at the you is a one avenue through which we can challenge the ways in which these technologies are currently supporting and enabling the scaling of the part type policies against palestinians. india by palestinian territories. we've been particularly concerned with what it would mean to potentially increase the product visions and what we class as being prohibited under the way i acts such that a proposal that is suggesting the banning of export of any technology that would be deemed as prohibited in the u context from being exported to add these reality authorities or any other uh state outside of the you context for you search for

human rights abuses elsewhere. so if we can get the at the i asked to a point under which for example, retrospective remote biometric technologies would be prohibited. we would also be in a situation in which hopefully a, with some courage, the technologies that would be used for, for these purposes in bias. rarely, authorities in the policy and territories could also be prohibited. as for whether these rarely authorities might find another avenue for supplying themselves with technologies that can be used for facial recognition. of course, there may be other avenues and they may even be homegrown. however, by a weakening the, the, the, the supply of hardware that is used together with facial recognition systems that are being supplied from you. and from from else swear. especially given obligations that these companies have under the un guiding principles, for example,

to ensure that they have human rights due diligence in place. that they are not that their products are not, for example, of supporting and enabling international grave crimes that we can create a non permissive environment for companies to engage with for helping the scaling of a part of our policies. but not the sacraments are illegal. the waters are legal. this, the valence we're discussing is part of a legal occupation, as well as just going to ignore any outcry and honesty, campaigning on this issue like it always has your shows again, the doc hunt you it may well be that we're shouting in the dogs though of course the amnesty, the motto attempts to be that, that it's, it's better to, to, to light a candle than to curse out the darkness. and in this case, i think that's very true. because as we begin to make it more non permissible to engage in the supply of surveillance technology, as we begin to create almost a repugnant market, as it were around the supply of surveillance in a i,

technologies making it distasteful and, and, and public knowledge that indeed human rights violations are, are being effectuated by the usage of the technologies in places like palestine. then we begin to make it more possible to weaken the system and to indeed bring even trials outside of the context of israel and palestine to the floor. i think it's very important that we begin to shine a light on how to acknowledge you so sometimes can seem a little assemble or hard to grasp are leading to real human rights consequences everywhere. and indeed, i think in the european context, there should be some cause to rethink and, and stop and take a pause and consider what it would look like to have technology. is that a restrict then the freedom of movement deployed here? cuz that is what we're seeing, the natural conclusion of already i've got about 30 seconds left. so quick concept please, is, is any of this pressure going to make any difference with the disease rocha? you know, unfortunately, right now with the most,

i'm friends only the government that ever seen, eh, and i'm saying it is often is riley. and that you and our friends, you know, even also the us are not doing enough, you know, and all the products but his deals and also not the real bar society. but we definitely believe that we in the organizations like i'm gonna be, must keep doing before to bring these realities into brussel into the state. because eventually we will believe that they will take action. we just need it to be as soon as possible and not the way. i like it that way you can right now gentlemen, that we must end our discussion. many thanks indeed to to you for being with us at mac, my body of july i'll, i will have to and a or a give bossy and as always, thank you for watching to have you guys, you can see the program again at any time by going to the website, which is 0 dot com. and for further discussion, join us at our facebook page, facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. and you can join the conversation on twitter handle at a inside story from me every,

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