that drove this devastating war to in somalia and intensifying a hunger crisis that has cleaned the lives of around 40000 people off of the children under 5 years old. but at the heart of this tragedy, eliza tales of the immense resilience and determination of a people fleeing finance. while at the mercy of escalating and unforgiving climate change. people in power somalia, a fight for survival and a jersey to set a goal as president says he will not sees a controversial 3rd term in office. this ended with some speculation. so what's behind massive cells? decisions might replacing and would it have an impact on other nations in the region? this is inside store the

hello and welcome to the program. i'm serial veney a set of goals president mackie cell has put an end to months of uncertainty by confirming that he will not see a controversial 3rd term next year. and a speech on monday night cell said his decision was made after careful deliberation . is announcement comes out to a significant rejection of a potential 3rd term opposition leader. it was months sancho who has been sentenced to 2 years in prison for quote, corrupting youth. had threatened to organize more protests, sounds. government has faced widespread and at times, violent demonstrations in recent weeks. at least 16 people were killed last month. now after sales promise not to run again, democracy advocates or hopeful that way. we'll set a positive example in the region. this is the 2nd said this is i don't know if i can do that. i know that my decision not to start as a candidate to have come as a surprise to the many people who succeed a demonstration trust and loyalty. i know it will also surprise those who wish to

see me continue to guide the construction of synagogue, which is increasingly 5 digits feet. so the goal is because an i a and it's full of leaders equally capable of pushing the country towards emotions. here's some reaction from set a goal after the president's address to the nation. some was that you have to respect your words and it's this respect that has led to the situation from now on . he will be highly respected internationally, but his admin a settlement, but as i, we need a president who takes pity on the senegalese. we need a president who doesn't kill his people. we need a president who listens to his people. there was when you pop, oh, it's his choice and he's only done that, we accept his decision and we support whenever, you know, mean, i mean you've got to have some key dates to bear in mind before we jump into this conversation, recent timeline is this mca cell was 1st selected in 2012 when he defeated abdul. i want the incumbent who was at the time running for 3rd term. in 2016 voters

approved a constitutional reform proposed by so to shorten a single presidential term from 7 to 5 years. that also reaffirmed the to term limit. well, after serving out his 1st term sell was in re elected in 2019 and the president and his allies have since argued that the to term limits didn't apply to sell. since there was that constitutional change during his 1st term, they claim he was therefore eligible for another term. the right now let's bring in our guests from the car, joining us, today's value. so set of goals, minister of culture and historical heritage. it's great to have you on the program, sir. and in london, paul nelly is with us. you're a consulting fellow for the africa program, a chat them house. welcome to both of you to the program. mr. so let's start with you. you are a cabinet minister. when did you find out that the president would not be running for a 3rd term?

thank you. serial i discovered the decision the yesterday. you're up to the message during this message. even though for, for that we had do a very important political materials around the prime minister. and we, as many couples introduced as and the public of populate is off is the what is that some coalition we were discussing. and then working on the tool that's equal decisions at the end in a to see what to do exactly after his message. even though many of us went instruct wisdom politically in a daily basis, we could have our own opinion. i wasn't a surprise myself because for more than 25 years, i am instructing permanent onto with prison. psalm 20 years in a row to him straight. why do you as a go, we will all be covered and members. and then as you know, i mean to me personally too many targets in the capacity of taking very poll sort

of decision or present. but present microsoft is not something when situations i started typical. it says what do we have now? in general, he's a person who independent but take a responsible way. big decision we'd have to. i mean, we are ready to 40 in the truck so that go to them or the private can press the interest you put above. oh, did you want to express? and the goal is only is the social ties and national units is okay, i'm not the buttons member for just a 2nd because i would like you to pull back the curtain and bring us inside the decision making in just a 2nd. but i'd like to bring in paul mary, just before we do that, um, pull your journalist and political analyst you, you obviously study these things. you listened keenly to the speech by mister sal. what stood out to you in that speech as well. i think what really stood out 1st of

all, was the very, very big focus on that. he may on criticizing violence and criticizing politicians who use inflammatory language. i'm not really dominated the 1st the 1st on the speech more or less. and it was on the legs wrong that he came to me as it was a i asked myself, a thank you for it was built on time, but i will not be running for election next year. and so the big focus on funds was clearly without naming him. it was clinic critique was by the song of the opposition leader who was recently convicted on the offences relating to his personal conduct and who is effectively on the the it's not official house arrest, but he's effectively under house arrest because the security forces the surrounding the area where he lives active is potentially go to sort of

a 2 year trial to so in that situation it seemed as if the president wanted to really challenge the possibility and believe the political threat that so kind of would represent what he to be allowed to run for election and that, that really was a bit of the speech that 1st of all stood out. and it was, i mean, off to that, that he then made. isn't that which many studies has not been expecting? does he, does he have decided not to rock, had effectively admitting that this was something that he had reflected on despite his promises he may have a number of years saying he would only run for 2 tubs. he basically a 1st, a few months ago that insisted that he would have the right to run if you just to do so. and then yesterday confirmed that he had been exhibiting about this,

this was his decision that way off it isn't something. despite his promises, he quite clearly conceded, if you like, that he had considered stopping to get in this fine understand today why he chose not to do so mister. so can you pull back the curtain as i was saying earlier on that decision making, what was the driving factor in the president's decision not to run for a 3rd term despite the fact that he said, and he repeated during his speech that according to him, he had the right to do so is equal to me. so that's all our with the political analysis. so most of them the know back to our cost fission permits to present a solid to run for 2nd 5 years. so basically, for any other things, you know, that's a controversial statements and you know, everybody doesn't agree with that. no, but the majority of them didn't know what the position the members endeared. as

many of them they did this. they started love that in the past saying that okay, they know that the costs are some allows appraised themselves to rent, but it's not the but it is over important now. so what is correct is that the fact and so they know that the record of achievement of prisoners, tyler is something very positive, a procedure, and they start from totally in a positive way. i mean, so in the goal is image and typically is the people the life. but what is important is prisoners, tyler? he's a man of honda sprint. it was probably proved that keeping his word is this early the mca life. and that's that of what do the applicants that quality of the would have given you the content of a really to use a wonderful the presented by pretty well. so let me tell you, hey, look, father, he's a member of a very who is the feminist. what are yours? i mean, a community i'll send a go known as a gender pretty. i think they are very attached to the respect of the woods when

they project publicly. and then he wrote a book program is to prove his program book in 2019 saying that he was the um is he would never run after this to his mother using those 3 words. but saying that it was his last tone, even though the 1st thing was the 2nd year in the ivr tongue. and after this says the oldest member jump in the wrong. and i mean, this case candidacy on that as opposed to that you sent members knows it from the present to solve the do man, if you rumsey can easily make it in moments, but the why didn't, we can kill this conversation. then the other site is many, very many times a national dialect process instead of goals, and then we'll get to that. we'll get to that. we'll get to that in a 2nd. but let's, let's do this and chapters if you don't mind. so the benefit of our viewers,

you said he's a man of honor and that's why he didn't run again because he had already announced that long that he had given his word that he wouldn't run for a 3rd term. so my question to you is, if that is so why didn't he killed a conversation about a potential 3rd term, which has been paralyzing, senegalese politics for about a year now? if not longer, why do we know that conversation a year ago? the only let me tell you is certainly if we did it over you, this nation would have gone very closely. political competition is coveted ministers activities in distortion in all dimension and prism solitude, new to a talk is towards to actions. it is for the other option would be totally, i mean, displayed by those. i mean you got the competition. so you're saying personal impression is what have come to life and that is the best normal in

a democracy to so that it's age. i know that you tend to easily release of information which you left them and you have goes to the right to rent and then so like which is like telling people now could be everybody kinds of problems. i guess august, do not always, always tell me just a will be, will be the food will be destroyed, end of the corporation. can be the victim of those 50 political competition. do you want the amount of action and put everybody on this, on the way of work and action for the people? and they said, when the time where it is time i went back to, i will say what i what, what, what is my final, what is the my, my, my final course and my district did 6 them on 7 months before the due date. i think that these are probably some weeks less the program and purple is those would i mean the people around that much of

a pretty them so i'll be candid or not know that typically a lawsuit because they know they don't know what to do exactly. oh, hold on, mr. so hold on the service, let the know when they would have to, they would not have been sorted because and since that's it and then the test was the so brutal, but now i think i want to report at least 7 months before the due date. pretty good . ok. so we, well the, we see nation a strong both with decision and the saying that i, i want to be a solution for my initial i want to button or the keeper i want to be. but this make it, i want to do something else. ok, let. well, that's what i'm saying. i don't need to bring a problem mailing back into this conversation. we will absolutely get to the question of who might succeed mister south and what the political landscape now holds for, for set a goal and, and the political rivalries that will come to light. but let's just close the

chapter of the post mortem on mr. selves, decision not to run, pulled mentally. why do you think the president chose not to run? well, i think there are 2 reasons. one is, there was a serious chance that he could lose because set a goal has a been kind of to round voting system, which is common in many french speaking countries. that means that in the 1st route you have a range of candidates and then less one person gets more than 50 percent of the total votes in the 1st bod. uh then it goes to a 2nd round between the top 2 placed contenders and history. the showed inside of all that when that happens, it is quite possible for an incumbent president to be defeated because the opposition may unite to round a single charger for the final runoff route. and the fact that is, in fact how mike, he saw himself came to the presidency this. and this is where history is really

important because it shapes, you know, shapes the way studies look at these issues. in the 2000, i did, i was elected president to become president. he also sold to do a search to of, to, to task. and again, as in the case of my to, so he signed to the fact that they made a change in the length of the presidential tub as grounds the saying that the rules and change. and so he was entitled to run again. and it was lucky. so as the lead email position candidate, the man who broke through to the final run off in the 2012 election, who wrote successfully mounting that challenge and attracted all the support of the rest of the opposition behind him to a stroke. and i went out to the 2012 election and so the memory is there in the

minds of many said he believes that even the youngest ethically, to contact you remember those events. this history is sort of well known to them. so but he knew that there was a nice example and people have been talking quite a lot about the possibility that somehow the organization would unite to challenging. so defeat was a real possibility of the other practical reality is simply that they're being so much interest. so much protest and particularly is supportive of the opposition. think that was my soccer among young people i purchased as often turned into the confrontations with the police. and we've seen a, i think it's at least 16 people killed in the latest on rest of the just last month of the 2nd president. so knew that if you, even if he was reelected, that he would be the president of the country where there was

a boy living resentment as a substantial, substantial section of the population, particularly among young people. and that's in itself would push a risk, his ability to carry forward on the agenda, which has the administrative pricing pointed out. he has very solid economic track record. but of course, if you have the cost of done race, the prospect of taking that economic success forward a going to be undermine. so the, the in saw, he could, he knew we could lose, and it just happened to his previous asset. and he knew that even if you wow, the country risk be even more unstable. mister, so how does mackie sell see his political future? does he want to be a king make? or does he want to pull strings? does he want to influence? how does he intend to live out the rest of his, his,

his life after the presidency? you live after presidency, kind of but be really wonderful in great life. his greatness appraisal is written this as, but if we're going to run this ours, uh, very similar to the very important historical decision. formally, the paul, i the point, sorry i was making to missed the so is yes there were celebrating and it's there were celebrating the president of the streets that is accurate, but there were celebrating the fact that he was stepping down. so there's 2 sides of that story to yeah, i think there are, and it's, it's true. he has taken a brave decision. there was a lot of pressure on him, particularly for people surrounding him who were hoping that he would stay on, that he would run again. and so the future if his political color issue and that he's on the policy and the prospects of the presidency, not quite done so because the ground hasn't been very well prepared to lower their

potential successes such as the prime minister. i'm a do. but of course, until last night, those people when focused on preparing for presidential election tool. but it's also true that there's a big sense of relief. many, many of the comments from cycles this morning and last night to be practicing. why didn't you tell us as of yet cool, says with any political succession situation as a bit, as to pointed out you, yes, you'll get competition. yes, you will get rivalries. but there are other countries in the region gone out, for example, has a long tradition of presidents setting down to to tubs and nigeria and uh, need. yeah, for example, which is a country which on many so i think at least you know, low to use what's happened happens in egypt because mikes and the goal. it's a frank of our country, the previous presenter to these. yeah,

well how about do so for him he was pressed by many people. he said, what are your try? codes quite good. why don't we think of changing the constitution? so the garage for that? and he basically said, well look, i would be a very arrogant, 95, so you know, they're more than 20000000 people. indeed. yeah. i wouldn't be very arrogant refundable, obviously only one of homeless people who could go to this country. and he made it clear right for the outset, but he was in reference to and the ground was the pat i'm election happens. it pa stop relatively smoothly. and in fact, because he had prepared the ground very well before it gave good shots for his preferred success a moment. but as of 22 rabbits, a successor and get elected where is now for back. he saw that succession thing looks a lot less. so because the ground hasn't been prepared and especially with the deaths

in the recent protests, the most recent process it in the last few weeks. even those, even though they were okay. not really related to this case as mr. sancho, that will be many people instead of going to say, what is my peace of mind, his views clear so the wrong perhaps the rest of those lives might not be lost. a couple names. i want to throw you holly for south korean wide to people who were potentially and in fact popular arrivals to the president. both of them in recent years were sidelined, both of them jailed on corruption charges. both of them then pardoned by the president. and after the national consultation, the national dialogue that was organized by mackie. so just recently incentive goal, one of the strongest recommendations is to change the rules to allow them. now

despite their previous um, deal sentences uh to be able to run for president. do you think they could make an impact on the next presidential race? of course appraisal saw it also. yesterday it was a message that i have to be in this week. he did, the government will send me all the necessary documents to the problem. and so as to start cussing, oh oh, taking mention really to buy them into the major digital. all those recommendations which were really gonna be that's in process just by the participants into proving that he has nothing to do with. i mean, the exclusion that are not offered candidate or potential funded it, but people have done for the way company with the law. it would condemn me. so finally brought on by the present. good. do we have to no legal consequences on electro, the, on an authority in competition back that,

that little bit commended to give them the opportunity to run and to follow them in which it means we need to solve. rent will be a new contract to buy the government and other things that we need to sort through is there was some days ago the overly majority of the majors and local government lawyers went to see the prize also ended up going to be the candidate. yes, the told you the believe the supporters, the member go to some members political bought the leaders all do what they did with it was very sought by the say you something out of coalition is about a party is a matter of a nation. joining us on the line now from the cars, aminada of taura, she is the former prime minister of send a goal. thank you very much for joining us on the program will be a little late. we have been struggling with connections from the car during this program. but we thank you for your patience and your participation in the show.

cool, i, i do want to ask you your reaction to the president deciding not to seek a 3rd term in office and just for context you were previously an ally of mackie cell and then had a folding out with him. what are the effect? i let me just a different action less than a year ago and less than a year ago. um. and we had it because of the 1010 precisely. um, so i would say it's never too late, but unfortunately it makes about, you know, i mean, he ended up uh, i respecting the constitution and that's what the methods at the now i have to really congratulate all the democrats, the young people to defend the democracy depending on the democracy, i would, that's what i have been very dynamic and apply with the microsoft as the and the to that it was set the for the come see, but the behind. so to a step down the,

when he's 2nd come 2nd and locked up and in february of 2024. unfortunately, as you may have followed during the riot, uh 16 people lost their lives. and of course you have to be investigated. uh so we know um you know who uh, uh the temperature is because that's also part of democracy. accountability when these types of, uh, uh, events occur. um, so technically democracy is to go on track. so that's the 1st step. the 1st victory i would say, but at the same time now we have to make sure that everybody is interested in running kendra. so i'm talking about including the election. we don't have a lot of our we have people i can i jump in the story, am i correct that you're running for office? i do, i do i amount somebody to tell me that the uh since both of january i very much do

um, but as you know we have to go through sponsorship. but because the sponsorship and we hold that, it's going to be a fair process. we call upon. a for anybody to participate because pay them back inside of our building. somebody's collectors will had issues with the deputies and who could not grant. so you have to expend that fathers to everybody. so we go through peaceful and turn spite of extra minutes. mr. so as minister of culture and historical heritage of set a goal. and i say this bearing in mind that we really don't have much time left on this show. how would you like to see run for office? who would you like to see become the next president? i sent a goal after mackie. so just briefly put a nissan degrees. what do i mean? the criteria are being attended. they have come from india and i look forward to showing always by the or any parties, spotty, which is member of the coalition. so he can have, come, he has his own choice is because he knows us all better. because uh,

this is the regular instruction with many of us and that i do believe that as its leader of a coalition, you can will a consultation because these people and then release his proposal of the candidate for the majority is supporting his literacy. i, as you know, of democrats who are, all of them will not just the supported maybe that some of them were right. or they didn't personal decisions. but what is important is now, so by the we've got people are, i mean a be a good that says a prison like yourself. and then we can implement is eliza action. and we're really going to knew that it was looking to ship use it. that was up to, you know, vibrant and wonderful and i thought, but you're most other in the line and at the very beginning, but i do believe that you will let me see the money will usually take to the good

decisions that are better question board. com, but it quite will never i'm in fact you give to the letter in mail or question about these a they've written me that i think only that i'm quite sure that it will make the choice and the good proposal and then the major to update his goals and with back of his choice and then do the best of that we used to do in the past that okay, may thank you. thank you so much dispatch. i want to thank all our guest value. so parmelee, i'm announcing to or you want to thank also our viewers for being patient with us as we fight through some connection issues. but we want to bring you those voices from the car. you can see the program again, any time by visiting our website. that's actual 0 dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. as you know, you can also join the conversation on twitter or handle at a jane side story from the serial. then yay. and the entire team here, and uh huh. bye. the.

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