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confirming that he will not see a controversial 3rd term next year. and his speech on monday night cell said his decision was made after careful deliberation. as announcement comes out of significant rejection of a potential 3rd term opposition leader, it was months sancho who has been sentenced to 2 years in prison for quote, corrupting youth. had threatened to organize more, protests sales government has faced wide spread and at times, violent demonstrations in recent weeks. at least 16 people were killed last month. now after sales promise not to run again, democracy advocates or hopeful that way. we'll set a positive example in the region. this is the 2nd said, this is don't know if i can do that. i know that my decision not to start as a candidate to have come as a surprise to the many people who succeed a demonstration, trust and loyalty. i know it will also surprise those who wish to see me continue to guide the construction of synagogue, which is increasingly 5 digits feet. so the goal is because an i a and it's full of

leaders equally capable of pushing the country towards emotions. here's some reaction from set a goal after the president's address to the nation. some was that you have to respect your words and it's this respect that has led to the situation from now on . he will be highly respected internationally, but it had been a settlement, but his own. we need a president who takes pity on the senegalese. we need a president who doesn't kill his people. we need a president who listens to his people and they want to, it's his choice. and these are what he does that we accept is decision and we support whenever, you know, mean, i mean you're going to have some key dates to bear in mind. before we jump into this conversation, recent timeline is this. matthew sel was 1st elected in 2012 when he defeated abdul . i why the incumbent who was at the time running for 3rd term in 2016 voters approved a constitutional reform proposed by so to shorten a single presidential term from 7 to 5 years. that also reaffirmed the to term

limit. well, after serving out his 1st term sell was in re elected in 2019, and the president and his allies have since argued that the 2 terms limit didn't apply to sell. since there was that constitutional change during his 1st term, they claim he was therefore eligible for another term. the right now let's bring in our guests from the car, joining us, today's value. so set of goals, minister of culture and historical heritage. it's great to have you on the program, sir. and in london, paul nelly is with us. you're a consulting fellow for the africa program, a chat them house. welcome to both of you to the program. mr. so let's start with you. you are a cabinet minister. when did you find out that the president would not be running for a 3rd term? thank you. serial i discovered the decision yesterday. you're up to the message during this message. even though for, for that we had do

a very important political materials around the prime minister. and we, as many couples introduced as and is it gonna populate as off is the what is that some coalition we were discussing. and then working on the tool that's equal decisions are and then a to see what to do exactly after his message. even though many of us went instruct, wasting perfectly in the daily basis. we could have our own opinion. i wasn't a surprise myself because for more than 25 years i am instructing permanently was present, so 20 years in a row to him straight. why do you as a go we what? all and because he didn't members. and then as you know, i mean to me personally, 2 mentors in the capacity of taking very pulse decision of prison by prison. microsoft is not something new when situations i started particular. so

what do we have now with joe? he's a person who independent much of a responsible way, big decision without what to. i mean, the only in the truck, so they go to them or a private and press the interest you put above. oh, did you want to express the interest? and the goal is only is to the social ties and that's what i'm units is. okay, i'm not sure. so sam buttons memory for just a 2nd because i would like you to pull back the curtain and bring us inside the decision making in just a 2nd. but i'd like to bring and pull melody just before we do that. um, pull your journalist and political analyst you, you obviously study these things. you listen to keenly to the speech by mister cell . what stood out to you in that speech as well. i think what really stood out 1st of all, was the very, very big focus on that. he may on criticizing violence and criticizing politicians who use inflammatory language. i'm not really

dominated the 1st the 1st on the speech more or less. and it was on the legs wrong that he came to me as it was a i asked myself, a thank you for it. was voted on time, but i will not be running for election next year. and so the big focus on the bottoms was clearly without naming him. it was clearly critique. it was not assault of the opposition leader who was recently convicted on the offences relating to his personal conduct and who is effectively on the no, it's not official house arrest, but he's effectively under house arrest because the security forces the surrounding the area where he lives active is potentially go to sort of a 2 year trial to so in that situation it seemed as if the president wanted to really challenge the possibility and believe the

political threat that so kind of would represent what he to be allowed to run for election. and that, that really was a bit of the speech that 1st of all stood out and it was on me off to that, that he then made. isn't that which many studies has not been expecting? does he, does he have decided not to rock, had effectively admitting that this was something that he had reflected on despite his promises he had made over a number of years saying he would only run for 2 tubs. he basically, a 1st, a few months ago they didn't says that he would have the right to run if you chose to do so. and then yesterday confirmed that he had been thinking about this, this was his decision that way off. it isn't something despite his promises, he quite clearly conceded,

if you like that he had considered stopping to get in this fine understand today why he chose not to do so mister. so can you pull back the curtain as i was saying earlier on that decision making, what was the driving factor in the president's decision not to run for a 3rd term despite the fact that he said, and he repeated during his speech that according to him, he had the right to do so. that is to let me so that's all our with the political analysis. so most of them the know back to our constitution permits the prisoners, tyler, to run for 2nd 5 yet. so basically, for any other things, you know, that's a controversial statements and you know, everybody doesn't agree with that. no, but the majority of them didn't know if the position, the members indeed as many of them they did this, they set to love them in the past. saying that okay, they know that your costs are something a lot of the praise themselves to run, but it's not the but it is over important now. so what is correct is that the fact

and so didn't know that the record of men's of prisoners, tyler be something but it goes to a procedure and they start from totally in a positive way. i mean senegalese image and typically is the people the life. but what is important is, prisoners, tyler, ease amount of time to spells. probably prove that keeping his what is this early, the mca life and that's the, of what do the africans that quality of the what have given you the content of a really to is a wonderful the presented by pretty well. so let me tell you, they don't follow it, he's a member of a very who is the feminist? what are yours? i mean a community us on a go known as it's in the they are very attaches to the respect of the woods when they process it publicly. and then he wrote a book. the problem is he probably is, for example, in 2019 saying that he was, uh, uh,

is he would not run after this to his mother using those 3 words. but saying that it was his last tone, even though the 1st thing was the 2nd year in the private tongue. and after this says the oldest member jump in the wrong one. i mean, this case candidacy on that either that you sent members knows it from the present to solve the do man, if you rumsey can easily make it in moments, but the why didn't, when he killed this conversation, the other site is many, very many times a national dialect, person instead of goals, and then we'll get to that. we'll get to that. we'll get to that in a 2nd. but let's, let's do this and chapters if you don't mind. so the benefit of our viewers. you said he's a man of honor and that's why he didn't run again because he had already announced that long that he had given his word that he wouldn't run for

a 3rd term. so my question to you is, if that is so why didn't he killed a conversation about a potential 3rd term, which has been paralyzing, senegalese politics for about a year now? if not longer, why do you feel that conversation a year ago? the lady, let me tell you, certainly if we did it earlier, this nation would have gone very closely. political competition is coveted ministers, activities in distortion in all dimension and prism solitude, new to a talk is towards to actually just for the option would be totally, i mean, destroyed by those. i mean you got the competition. so you're saying personal impression is what have come to life, but that is the normal in a democracy takes. so did you say, i know that you tend to easily release of information which you're going to do a lot to him and you have to go soon to the right to rent and then tell like which

is like telling people now could be everybody kinds of problems, i guess august, do not always, always tell me just a will be will be the food will be destroyed, end of the corporation. can be the victim of those 50 political competition. do you want the other options and put everybody on this on the way? oh oh, we're a, we're an action for the people. and they said, when the time where it is time i went back to, i will say what i what, what, what is my final? what's the, my, my, my final course and my district did 6 them on 7 months before the due date. i think that of this i'll probably some weeks less the program and purple of those. it would mean the people around that much of a pretty them. so i'll be candid or not know the, typically the lawsuit because they know they don't know what to do. exactly. oh,

hold on, mr. so hold on the service listed as you know, when they would have to, they would not have been sorted because and since that's it. and then the test was the so brutal, but now i figured why don't we put in these 7 months before the due date? pretty okay. um, so we, well the reason nation, oh, strong both with decision and the thing that i, i want to be a solution for my initial, a 13 button or the keeper. i want to get back to this make it. i want to do something else. ok. let, well, that's what i'm saying. i don't need to bring a problem mailing back into this conversation. we will absolutely get to the question of who might succeed mister south and what the political landscape now holds for, for set a goal and, and the political rivalries that will come to light. but let's just close the chapter of the post mortem on mr. selves decision not to run pulled, mary, why do you think the president shows not the run? well, i think there are 2 reasons. one is, there was

a serious chance that he could lose because southern go has a been kind of to round voting system, which is common in many french speaking countries. that means that in the 1st route, you have a range of candidates and then less one person gets more than 50 percent of the total votes in the 1st od uh then it goes to a 2nd round between the top 2 placed contenders and history. the showed inside of color. when that happens, it is quite possible for the incumbent president to be defeated because the opposition may unite to round a single charger for the final runoff route. and the fact that is in fact how back he saw himself k to the presidency. this. and this is where history is really important because it shapes, you know, shapes the way cycle is. look at these issues. in the 2000, i did,

i was elected president to become president. he also sold to do a photo of, to, to task. and again, as of the case of my to, so he signed to the fact that they made a change in the length of the presidential as grounds the saying that the rules and change. and so he was entitled to run again. and it was lucky. so as the lead email position candidate, the man who brought through to the farm to run off in the 2012 election, who wrote successfully mounted that challenge and attracted all the support of the rest of the old position behind him to a stroke. and i went out to the 2012 village. and so the memory is there in the minds of many said he believes that even though my youngest son, he goes to contact you remember those events,

this history is sort of well known to them. so but you sort of knew that there was a nice example and people have been talking quite a lot about the possibility that somehow the opposition would unite to challenging . so defeat was a real possibility of the other practical reality is simply that they're being so much of the rest. so much protest and particularly is supportive of the opposition . think that was one sancho among young people purchase that is often turned into violent confrontations with the police. and we've seen a, i think it's at least 16 people killed in the latest on rest of the just last month of the 2nd president. so knew that if you, even if he was re elected, that he would be the president of the country where there was a boy living resentment among a substantial, substantial section of the population,

particularly among young people. and that's in itself would push it risk his ability to carry forward on the agenda which as administrative writing pointed out, he has very solid economic track record. but of course, if you have the cost of done race, the prospect of taking that economic success forward. i'm going to be undermine. so the, the in saw, he could, he knew we could lose and it just happened to his previous assessor. and he knew that even if you, wow, the country risk be even more unstable. mister, so how does mackie self see his political future? does he want to be a king maker? does he want to pull strings? does he want to influence? how does he intend to live out the rest of his his, his life after the presidency? the life of the presidency kind of but be really wonderful in great life. his

greatness present is greatness. and if we're going to see britain, this are very similar to the important historical decisions. formally, the paul, i the point, sorry i was making to missed the so is yes there were celebrating and it's there were celebrating the president, the streets that is accurate, but there were celebrating the fact that he was stepping down. so there's 2 sides of that story to yeah, i think there are, and it's, it's true. he has taken a brave decision. there was a lot of pressure on him, particularly for people surrounding him who were hoping that he would stay on that he would run again. and so the future if his political coalition that he's on the policy and the prospects of the presidency, not quite done so because the ground hasn't been very well prepared to lower their potential successes such as the prime minister. i'm gonna do. but of course, until last night,

those people went focused on preparing for presidential election tool. but it's also true that there's a big sense of relief. many, many of the comments from cycles this morning and last night to be practicing. why didn't you tell us as of yet cool, says with any political succession situation, as of it is to pointed out you, yes, you'll get competition. yes, you'll get rivalries. but there are other countries in the region gone, for example, has a long tradition of presidents sending data to to tubs and nigeria and uh, need yeah, for example, which is a country which on many so i think of these, you know, low to use what's happening happens india because like sending college and frank of our country the previous presenter to these yeah, well how about do? so for him he was pressed by many people. he said, what are your try records quite good and why don't we think of changing the

constitution? so the garage for that and he basically said, well look, i would be a very good 95. so you know, there are more than 20000000 people in these. yeah, i wouldn't be very arrogant refundable, obviously only one of homeless people who could go to this country. and he made it clear right for the outset, but he wouldn't reference that. and the ground was the pat i'm election happens. it post op, relatively smoothly. and in fact, because he had prepared the ground very well before it gave good shots for his preferred success a moment. but as of 22 rabbits, a successor and get elected where is now for back. he saw that succession thing looks a lot less. so because the ground hasn't been prepared, especially with the deaths in the recent protests, the most recent process it in the last few weeks. even those,

even though they were okay, not really related to this case and missed a song that will be many people instead of going to say, well, my peace of mind is views clear sadly, wrong. perhaps the rest of those lives might not be lost. a couple names i want to throw you holy for south korean wide to people who were potentially and in fact popular arrivals to the president. both of them in recent years were sideline. both of them jailed on corruption charges. both of them then pardoned by the president and after the national consultation, the national dialogue that was organized by mackie. so just recently, incentive goal, one of the strongest recommendations is to change the rules to allow them now despite their previous jail sentences, uh, to be able to run for president. do you think they could make an impact on the next

presidential race? of course, there's also it honestly, if there is a message that needs to be in this week, he did, the government will send, i mean all the necessary documents to the problem. and so as to that, because c o o taken measures relate to the bottom into the measures budget to all those recommendations, which were really gonna be the in consensus by the participants into proving that has nothing to do with. i mean, the exclusion are not of a candidate or potential funded it, but people have been fully really comfortable with the law. they would condemn me. so finally, i don't buy the present. good. do we have to low legal consequences on electro so on and it's sort of your competition back there that a little bit commended to give them the opportunity to run and to follow them in

which it means we need to solve. rent will be, i mean, conducted by the government. and the other thing that we need to sort through is there was some days of go over when the majority of the mayor's and local government years went to see. pres, also ended up going to be the candidate yesterday i was told you will be a good thing to believe the supporters, the never go to some members political part deleted all, do what they did with it was very sad, but he said it's not a lot of coalition, it's about a party is a matter of a nation. joining us on the line now from the car is aminada torres. she is the former prime minister of send a goal. thank you very much for joining us on the program will be a little late. we have been struggling with connections from the car during this program, but we thank you for your patience and your participation in the show. cool, i, i do want to ask you your reaction to the president deciding not to seek a 3rd term in office and just for contacts you were previously an ally of mackie

cell and then had a folding out with him of the effect i let me just go a different section less than a year ago. less than a year ago. um. and we had it because of the 1010 besides the. um. so i would say that was too late, but unfortunately it makes um, but, you know, i mean uh, he ended up uh at least fixing the constitution. and that's what my to is that. yeah. now i have to really congratulate all the democrats, the young people to defend the democracy, to take a live democracy. i would, that's what i have been very dynamic in applied for the microsoft as the and the see that it was set up for the come see, but the by himself to a step down to when he 2nd time, 2nd and locked up. and in february of 2024. unfortunately, as you may have followed during the riot,

uh 16 people lost their lives. and of course this has to be investigated. uh so we know um, you know, who are the perpetrators because that's also part of democracy. accountability. when these types of, uh, uh, events occur, um, so technically democracy is to go on track. and uh, that's the 1st step. the 1st victory i would say, but at the same time now we have to make sure that everybody who is interested in branding, ken brand new. so i'm talking about including election. we do have a lot of our we have people i can i jump in as to where i am i correct that you're running for office? i do i do. i have known somebody tell me that the uh since 1st of january i very much do um, but as you know, we have to go through sponsorship. but because it's fun and we hope that it's going to be a fair process. we call upon everybody to participate because then my

concern is, is probably somebody's collectors who had issued deputies and who could not grant. so you have to expend that fathers to everybody. so we go through peaceful and from spite of extra minutes. mr. so as minister of culture and historical heritage of set a goal. and i say this bearing in mind that we really don't have much time left on this show. how would you like to see run for office? who would you like to see become the next president? i sent a goal after mackie. so just briefly put a nissan degrees will use. i mean, the criteria are being attended to come from and even, and i will forward, it shouldn't always by the end of audits by t u, which is member of this coalition. so he can have to say kevin has his own choice is because he knows us all better because of his regular instruction with many of us. and then i do believe that other leader of a coalition become, will

a consultation with discoveries, people and then release his proposal. of the candidate for their majority is supporting his literacy. i know of democracy or all of them will not just as important maybe that some of them were right or they didn't personal decisions. but what is important is now the sort of by the we've got people are, i mean a, be a good, successful, pretty good luck to sell it. and then we can implemented the lives of action. and we're really kind of, she knew that it was looking to ship use it, that was up to, you know, vibrant and wonderful. and i thought, but you're most of it in the life the at the very beginning. but let's see what we see. the mom will usually takes a good decision. was it a better question? better calm, but it quite, well never, i'm in. thank you. you've been gone for 11 male or oppression, but these a written made it difficult me that i'm quite sure that it will make the choice and

the good proposal. and then the measurements of the, of his condition with the back of his choice, and then do the best other we used to do in the past. okay, may. thank you. thank you so much dispatch. i want to thank all our guest value. so paul, mary, i'm announcing tory, i wanna thank also our viewers for being patient with us as we fight through some connection issues. but we want to bring you those voices from the car. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website that's down to 0 dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. as you know, you can also join the conversation on twitter or handle at a jane side story from me, several venue and the entire team here. and uh huh. bye. the

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