the, the challenges era the structure arrivals of twitter is launched by a mix of it. hoops slips, threads for profit from unpopular changes made to the platform under the long musk ownership. so is it just the clone or a revolution in social media? and what does it mean for uses around the world? this is inside story. the are welcome to the program, i'm adrian fitting. and they say that invitation is the best form of flattery,

but not it would seem to to own a long musk he's twisting to suit mess up on it's own. a monk, a bug off of the launch of the arrival platform, friends this week. in a world where moving 11 percent of people don't have enough to eat a route between 2 of the world's richest men, may not be of concern to old bob. there's no doubting the impact of social media since its arrival less than 20 years ago. it's revolutionize communications, but it's also enabled possible days that will be used for commercial and political gain and helping to spread false information and fake news. so how significant is this new platform will be discussing the implications without guests and just a few moments, but 1st, a report from my consumption. i've as twitter squares up to threats as a proposed cage 5 between tech building. as you don't, must, can mock suck a bug has begun, and it's being sold online on a new social media application. and round one has a winner threats achieving record breaking download since its launch on wednesday.

instagram's new up for real time. public conversations is aimed at rivaling months to attempt. i'm the say. it's a showed most buzz sucking bug and his stuff at present company metal. they have very intelligently recognized that they can courts over essentially shift over existing instagram users to this new service to early success has put a fuming and it's reckoning, legal action against meta accusing zacko bucks, team of using trade secrets and having foremost off to build the bundle of tactful musk treated to say competition is fine. cheating, it's not a must took over to, you know, 40 full $1000000000.00 d last year and as implemented separately, changes that have, i'm good money, long time use this now is just a sort of a town square where anyone can go in and scream, allow things and it becomes much more difficult to control misinformation,

the bullying, and the threats. and the um also is the content that i think people were hoping not to say on twitter are, are making a come back. meta owns facebook, instagram, and what's up and has been scrutinized sports content. it's been accused of spreading hate speech, misinformation, and other talks. content across the internet. threads is the newest micro blogging side. it's sofa about a 3rd of the $250000000.00 uses to it to had registered up on to last year. experts say the real bottom is not only uses, but about how data is utilized to create artificial intelligence models. what you don't want to do is train your a i models on a i generated content you otherwise you just sort of get this cycle of, of a i learning from other a i and it's, it's no longer a human. so then human generated content is incredibly important. you have to

wonder now if the real battle between mark sucker berg and the lawn mosque is over, that human generated content. and that's why facebook or metrics has not chosen to get into this day in silicon valley. some said threats has the potential to be a twit to killer odyssey is just to clone. but so far it's proof to be the was most rapidly downloaded the app, raising the stakes for others, especially it's main driver. on the consumption eve, i'll just see the inside story. so let's bring it off panel from dublin with joined by elaine book, science and technology journalist and a host of for tech sake the pub cost. from the on charlotte. neither if she's a lawyer and policy advisor in the big tech accountability team at amnesty international add in new york. sarah cripps, founder and director of the technology policy institute at cornell university of all for all of social media at the international relations welcome to will. so

13000000 sign ups as of thursday morning, i know that sherman and sarah on it, i'm on threads to elaine isn't yet no, all the millions of people who live in the europe in uni. and we'll talk more about the reasons for that in just a moment, but elaina is at least a been able to have a look at it before we get into the nitty gritty here, the rivalry between twitter and a mess. so i just want to know what, what you will think of, of threats, what, what's it like to use in a while? i think i think you can see from it on the reaction that it is definitely being perceived as a huge threat to twitter. and i see that too, i mean, it is such a neat copy of the expectations. people have a twitter from a platform that is proven capable of handling massive numbers of users. i mean, instagram itself has numbers in the to be in mark and a team that has, you know, managed many social media platforms and they know what they're doing here. so this

isn't like a book starts and like, well there is competitors. i've come out against twitter and in recent months this is a very, very powerful competitor, and it has a very neat transition as well in that it's paid with instagram and you carry over your handle for me in scrum and carry over the audience as well, which is that a huge draw for people because one of the things that humpers new social media platforms is that starting from scratch idea and having to build an audience on a new platform. charlotte, i, i know that you and your colleagues at amnesty and i'm not terribly impressed with, with, with threads or its parent company meta at the moment. i think the but what do you think of a french having how to look at it? and i think it's just simply one, it's a simply another, adequately regulated big for platform company that's been replaced um separate places in napa with the same pervasive surveillance business model. okay. um,

sarah, does it feel like a work in progress as though it was rushed to get it launch will additional features be be launched later? i'm just gonna bring up my, my page on, on threats for another, for the benefit of anyone who's watching in europe at the moment it worked and been able to look, this is what, what my page looks like. if you wanna follow me that you'll be more than welcome to do so. but as i say the in that thread, the only one that i've published so far is that i don't really know what to do with it. what now? um, it's not a feeling that you got to sarah. absolutely. i i found myself trying to navigate this and continuing to go back to twitter because i didn't really know what to, to with threads either. and i wasn't sure whether this is just a sort of the features that are currently are not present on threads yet, or the people i know sort of what makes it an app successful, especially social media is the network effect. and if of,

if the critical mass of people or the news you get is not there, then it's not going to bring or keep you there compared to twitter where i just kind of have facility with that the, the news i want is there the people i know where they're and they're still tweeting there, so i did find myself kind of getting pulled back in to twitter and not fully impressed with what i was seeing on the brand. okay. okay, so it's not just me, i'm a doctor, i've got 7000 gold follows on, on twitter, although i rarely post, but i use twitter every day in my line of work i. it is the fastest way quite often as of getting access to, to information that i need about stories that we're covering on the tv. um, even though uh, threads is, is connected to instagram, where i'm at, i still have a decent number of follows. it's, it's in the thousands but, but i've, i've only got $74.00 that was on, on threads. so what's going on? right, and i think every social media platforms struggled with that and start building

that base. and again, as one of the other panelists was saying, instagram and met uh, we'll have that infrastructure of the 500000000 users. the question i think will be whether they can pull those users over or whether these are very different type. whether these are people who are looking for very different types of activities. i'm not someone who uses instagram because i'm more into the news, which is where i find what i find on twitter. so i think if people find that what they're looking for is not on threads and the best beta version. i mean, this is true in the start of community is you're trying to go for this minimum viable product. and now that has been very clear that they are getting something out there. the question is, if people go there and are finding a product that isn't delivering what they want it to deliver it like you can edit post or that you mean their number of features that aren't quite present yet. if they go there and find that, that's not a satisfactory experience, it might go the way of mastodon, which i think also have some high,

initially the social media platform. but i think it's fair to say that has not been a, a twitter pillar. so elaine, why can't you and millions of other people across the, you access the threats and why you're being shut out of the policy? yeah, we're, we're not about just yet. now, there is a pres web, i have to sign on, is curious. i can go to products dot net forward slash if they know a user name from in scrum of so who's on there, you can check it out through the web app. and that's why i haven't gotten a look at what, what it's like. and but the reason why the app is not yet available into you is because it's not yet ready for releasing to you that you have very specific data protection rules for g d p r. and that is so working towards stuff the data protection commissioner here in oregon has the very specific 20 day that it hasn't been blocked for release here itself that they attached to the and then it was stopped, is that they have not chosen not to reduce the here on the assumption there is that they're still pairing the jeep york times, and it's just the case that, that those different jurisdictions, but also what we see with the app,

this kind of data version of it, this minimum 5 of product elements to it. it may be also that they accelerate the release date to capitalize on what was happening with twitter on a previous weekend. we break limits being introduced. a lot of disgruntled users seem very discontented with their use of the app. and it seems that it's a logical argument that maybe they push their lease at, in a folder punches, i think a 100 countries is where it's available now with this kind of version that it's really just spreads posts, replies, and there's no direct messages, no pass size no training topics and maybe that's why people are logging on it and be like, what am i supposed to do with this? uh, charlotte, um, it honestly says one organization of people having to trade human rights to have access to information needs to stop. it's talking, not just about threats, but about social media in general is talking about twitter. it's talking about about mess. so what does it mean when it says that it means that people simply do not have to create the human rights to participate on the global online con square

. i'm big tech companies such as me to use the business available to model for which they generate the profit of which sensitive data i collated, which includes the location, email addresses and admitted data. the tenant for very intimate and sensitive and personal details about the presses. and um, this hasn't been transparency on the cost on many big tech companies. and this remains to be their business model which infringes upon uses rights as they participate on these take platforms to the email as well. you're. you're arguing that the business models of, of the social media giants threatens human rights. somebody can, can you give us some examples and, and, and, and how it does that. so people often have to trade their privacy to participate online. and so the day to that, you put, when you sign up, the data that you said is collated on the platforms is well collected. 5,

these types of companies, energy use to generate a profit. it's used and targeted advertising and many other forms. it's also used for the l. good. look after vacation. ok, speech and many other and many of the human rights abuses such as, um, pay for good such as hateful content. and if i want to buy those online, right at a meta, i'm sorry i, i don't know whether i cool you address probably that, but the meta on face metro's. facebook has been accused with some of pushing hate speech, but the same is true of, of choices that we've made. but you could argue more. so, i mean, if you, you spend any time on, on, on twitter, as i do, sometimes it's quite a, it's quite a hateful place. i think it all comes down to the business model of these big take companies such as mater and twitter,

which is the connection um which is this business to valence model and how it is actually used to amplify. he's a hateful speech and content and insight into violence. okay, so what, what do you make of, of, of what you just heard that about the business models of these social media giants and the, and the impacts the negative impacts. quite often that they have around the world. i mean it's, it's hard to ignore the, the, the, the impact on a number of different levels. i mean, in the us, we've had confirmed a few of these cases of electoral interference of the russian internet research agency masquerading as americans on social media and then harvey, the in certain demographics with manipulative images or, or social media posts. we know that social media platforms like take talk are contributing to a huge mental health issue for a teenage girl. so that clearly the case of the question is kind of how do we

address that? um, and i think with these platforms they are locked in as and i think met a especially earlier facebook was i think miss use in the data of. and i think in recent years, they've been held a bit more to account in terms of how they're using the data, but i mean the back to as much as i've already said on capital hill, more than one of these platform have to make money. yeah. and if they're not doing, the type is like thread is not have an advertisement is how do we think they're going to have a revenue, a business model? and it's by taking the data at the receiving end, trying to understand how people think and then, and then finding ways to use their test data or binding. use ways to use their location data to as a copy of the enhanced or user experience. but there are these compromises that people are certainly having to me. i have say, i often wonder how these, these companies make money. you say that they, they need to be in a to reach us. they use us through advertising, but

a lot of the advertising i see on both both twitter and on methods products. this is totally useless. but as far as i'm concerned that the talking to the wrong person, the algorithm simply on working as far as i'm concerned. and anecdotally, i've heard that from a lot of friends and colleagues to was this, do you think a small move on logbooks pots to take on a little mask? so directly to we've, we heard about the, the, maybe the, the timing of the launch from elaine, who was telling us about it. but, but the timing was quite significant. was it a small move to think from talking about yeah, i mean, absolutely. i think there was clearly demand for an alternative to twitter really and i kind of posed, you are a mosque. you're on twitter because of some of the choices he was making. and i think he's so well position because of his mother. i'm hired to really tap into that huge user base. i think the question for him, i mean,

will be an interesting one, which is how do you generate revenue? does he do that through the extra analyses to his other platforms, like facebook and instagram, or does he do that or what are the ways that this platform can actually generate revenue? because so far what he's saying is he wants to make the kind or friendly or user experience. and what we know from the studies of social media is brand new, kinder and gentler. do not bring people on social media and keep them there. that's exactly how to take talk is really profit. it is that they are manipulative and you know, just like say news is probably about a travel faster than real news. i think things that are sensational and sometimes cut in are more likely to generate engagement on twitter. i mean, for all the criticism of twitter, since you are my engagement end users are up so that i think is that funded mental tension. like, do you agree with that?

will threads be a more pleasant place to hang out? so will it ultimately go the way of, of twitter and take talk i'm trying to see on a online space with tens of millions of users currently possibly going to go to hundreds of millions with as really intense moderation, being happy, safe place unmet. it isn't actually known as a company that invest significantly in moderation at twitter is having its own problems. they're having slash teams that were responsible for those kind of areas . and, but matter has now added another platform to the mix of something that i already wasn't doing to scratch it by. some crick critics that would say, i do think that's going to be a huge challenge if there is both on the question of who they'll make money out of this thing. i, they are providing a very neat space for people to transition to for twitter, including advertisers, advertises are feeling that twitter with it's that diminish trust and safety seems

isn't the best place to be, can it positioning their advertising and they have push it forward. this online market and they can no place it somewhere that might be a bit better on to add the into that takes over. i'm sending them a moderated use is really show as are the they're into that faces. but what matter can do here is how a bind of user generated content to train. a lot of this brought up in your as a prior reports and meta, well people focus on his pivot to be another 1st focus company is also really pivoting to be an ai focus company. and they are doing a lot of intense work there on the more data that they can access to power. those models, the more that they may be, be able to build models dot com, so, and be profitable. surely new you heard what elaine said that about a i also had what sir said about these companies. these things to make money. what should be done? should these companies be more heavily regulated, or should we leave moderation of the kind of hate speech? we're talking about $22.00 out of visual intelligence of these big companies,

big to companies such as twitter on me to should be subject to strict, strict or oversight. and transparency uh they should be subject to all of a sudden transparency requirements. and this is included and it seems like mandatory due diligence, human rights reports that are compliant with international human rights standards. there is an obligation of them to me business and human rights standards and their business, the business model that they use should be compliant with that. so we talked about the it making perfect business sense for months. talk about the launch threads, but, but how much do you think the launch of the platform is connected to the past or rivalry between him and the last i cannot per poor to get into the minds of those 2 individuals

and you know, yeah, it does seem like i did actually watch a reason podcast with mark bunker berg and he says himself, he's a very competitive person, and i think that is why he's gone into things like g g. so not just as a casual hobby is but ethics, competitive level. and so i think that it's just kind of reading about him listening to him, his whole you those as if i'm going to do this, i do at a 110 percent. that'd be better than the next guy. and i think actually similarly, that'd be awesome. as well, so i think this is really important to have this platform ethic story covered the platform level that is almost kind of personified. these ends of individual animals is between these 2 very competitive people. and i must because threatening to sue mess of the launch of threats. how do you think he's willing to push that legal

action does? does he have a family plan? is threads a copy of twist? yeah, so the claim is that they have used intellectual property from twitter and access that the former twitter employees who have been employed by matter matter has counted this to say that while there are former to an employees network and not matter, none of them were part of the engineering team on trades i. so unless they can really prove that some of that intellectual property, some programming code, some u i design elements were brought over from twitter. they may not have a case because the actual idea of twitter and heavy user interface looks it's matter has program thought themselves and design that themselves. it does not be anything that they can do, but that we see this across social media platforms all the time. they copy ideas from one another. instagram's own stories is a copy of sacha. it's rios is a copy of tick tock, and we haven't seen court cases competitive thought because this is something that happens in the social media industry. but it also could be

a case of yet another thing that even most follows through with because he's spoken about appropriate b on, feels pressure eyes to then follow it through like the purchase of twitter. it's on the chart and getting back to this, the point you made about the normalization of people having to trace the human rights that the dates that to have access to, to information leading to stopping people to think misguided in thinking that there is no harm in giving social media companies access to so much of that personal information. i think people participate on social media, which is a global con squares to participate. it's a global, consummate in which everyone participates to communicate with one another to get messages across. it's just that they shouldn't have to trade their privacy rights and the human rights generally. and i think i with the introduction of goods. it's unclear how given that makes of using the excess made to the business model is that

is one of the valence. it is, i'm see how this has any say for from that off twitter and a and we cannot allow big tech to regulate, then solve and dictate the rules for the online global town square. okay. of sarah, um, what is the launch of threats mean for, for twitter arrivals like mustard on and, and do you think that we don't have the control to see what's going on right now with, with the, we're witnessing it's, it's slowed in mind, but i hope the other, and i find it very useful, you obviously do to or yeah, i mean it's a good question because i think at least tell us we're in a world where everything is political. and i think one of the things i saw with twitter is that you on must taking over and kind of in you, in some of his politics, into or ideology into the platform. really term some people off. and so i think there's a,

that's the sort of proportion of people that are looking for an alternative. i think there are probably some other people who will say, you know, i don't, you know, kind of hold their nose. i don't like his ideology, but actually this platform has the most features i like and so we'll stick with it . i mean, sort of like some of the questions that people had about trustworthy. well, i'm going to stop by and test was because, you know, i don't like, you know, a mask and it's, you know, several actually good car. so i think there, there is some segment of the population in, at least in the us again. but if it is that paul thinks it's so much of their everyday life that they will do things even just to spice themselves. and then there's some people, i wouldn't be the reason why people in the middle they probably are going to make choices based on kind of the merits and you know, and not. and then so again, i don't think there's a, the mileage will met very here. i think quite a bit, but i do think that of threads again come in and kind of coming full circle here. but if threads have kind of improve upon some of the features that people do,

like about twitter, like the private messages, like the hash tags that make it easy to search for things. but then i think some of that early sort of, sir, it is gonna end up, does be more, more higher than anything else. okay. but elaine method as lowest and then close the social media app. so the past is threads here the stay? do you think or is it doomed to join the ranks of the the also rans and what does its launch? i have to so it didn't quite get that, but what does its launch means that what other twitter rivals like most of the yeah, so as when the price was 1st the names were it was still kind of a secret project with a code name. it was a nice that was going to be a decentralized social platform, which is similar to masses on and also blue sky, which is from the former twitter ceo jeff dorsey. he's helping that project. this is about creating a social platforms that are a bit more interconnected and also a more community led to as well. so communities can settle their own kind of and

servers on us it on and moderate them themselves. so instead of leaving moderation, go to a big tech company whose ideologies you may not be aligned with. you can actually set at the community that you my, you have set moderators on control, kind of what you will, and won't allow in your community. and that way, frank courtney doesn't actually do that, but that is a feature that's promised to call we thought at, at the centralized ation. it would also be part of what's called the study verse which lasted on his part of. so try that away. my actually support for the development on mass it on what i find is my think at your, or the contributors have touched on this as well. so let's touch these platforms. got their own personalities. and you could say that twitter has effectively been renamed, and the guy is a beat on most. but you know, most himself reflects a huge corner of the internet and the attitude of these people. and so it is just that, maybe he's just catering to that section of the internet that more for it is also, as you've also mentioned, hopefully used by news hands on journalists. and it does seem to be their platform

of choice. i certainly would notice that i totally, instagram is more of the per view of celebrities and influencers and they find that more assault as they're in boxes um being that is a bit more old into the appeals that okay to tech, technology savvy people. it's, it's kind of weird, isn't it that, that this conversation 20 years ago, but it made no sense to anyone. and i really enjoy this, this last 25, but it's thank you so much for being with us. elaine buck, charlotte and i do. and sarah crims, thanks to you for watching those guys. you can see the program again at any time by going to the website. i'll just 0, don't com for further discussion. you can join us on our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. i'm on friends, a definitive this way. you'll find me. the conversation continues on twitter as well. i'll handle it a inside story from me. adrian said again, and the team here, thanks for watching. we'll see the

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