as long as journalists do not endanger these moment for public offend a supreme leader and do not spread false information. it leaves plenty of room for interpretation and subjective censorship. the, the the color that i'm install, the tell you this is and use our line for not headquarters here in the coming up in the next 60 minutes. nature lead is begin may just on this in vilnius ukrainian presidents. lensky says it's absurd if no time table has given for ukraine's nature been. department of stuff. sweden meanwhile has a historic day as tequila as president gives the green lights. so the country to join the alliance protest is arrested in israel as the connect since gives initial

approval to a controversial judicial reading the refugees and seek safety and shelter beyond the spangler this as human rights groups that use regional leaders as ignoring them like the while we begin this news out in the through n, m, and the nato summit, the shaping the future of the military alliance. the nature chief young, stolen, beg, announced that ticket has agreed to back sweden's bid to join off the blocking the application for. yeah. and with sweden, as a member of the military lines confirmed the both states forces in the baltic sea, the kremlin, doesn't like that prospect. russia says nato expansion on his board is, is a mistake. and her need is also expected to discuss membership for ukraine. president all the means lensky says you can, will be ready to join when the war ends. well,

that's springing out there from now to get it to a james base or joins us now live from vilnius. james, you insulting bag must be pretty pleased about and course change of out. he's worked very hard. is it a while they've been working? no non stop on this. remember that would be things that took place the end of last week on thursday and brussels with the foreign ministers. it had to go to the leaders and present. oh, the one was that i am to try and convince. and of course, he came off in the front of the house with a new linkage linking the membership of sweden with nato to tuck. he is long sold application to join the european union, but it seems that they've come up with a deal and that sweden can become nato's 32nd member. i have to say you just have to put a little bit of caution that because it did seem pretty close a year ago, madrid the sweden and then we'd be able to join the launch together. and of course, it's gone on for another year since then. and it's not

a done deal until the turkish parliament and the hungarian parliament hungry said it, we rectifies it took he did up till they've actually brought to fight it. so not a done deal yet, but i think the swedes and other nato countries seem pretty happy that a president of the one is probably taking this as far as he can and saying further, expansion is also on the counts. we're hearing strong lads from presidents to landscape to push for that the presidency. lensky is been talking tough for days and he's talking tough again now about the situation. he wants some very clear language on an invitation to ukraine. they be arguing for days and days and days, the ambassadors who are based in brussels of the, of the $31.00 data countries over the exact wording. different countries have different views. on this, they were talking about the rightful place of ukraine in nato. and then the language of change ukraine's future is with ne type is it's very surprising is that

i've had for very stepping out, so i've spoken to of ukraine. they what, what, what in the invitation invite or invitation. and it's not clear i was told by one figure that that was now in i've been told by others, it's definitely out. we will have to see that communicate normally would be, conduct, would be pre negotiated by all the on boxes. they pre cooked these things. so when the lead is calm, it's just all for show and to show the unity on this occasion has gone down to the why. and although i'm told that may well be some language that looks agreeable in the end, it'll be those leaders who make the final decision. and it said i'd like it. they themselves that you want to lead us. we'll have to get that pens out and start rewriting and james's. so we'll kind of set a time where there are concerns as while about munition and weapons for ukraine from the west. where we asked on that in terms of nature as far as solid hours. see here so yeah, well that today they are going to say that they going to be security kit guarantees

. the crating is going to be a multi year of funding for ukraine's war effort. but you kinda need things now and it needs, i'm a nation particularly um, but it's one of the reasons that this being is controversial. cost of munitions that some of the us had ready to go ready to ship. but of course, that deeply controversial when 2 thirds of nato have signed the international convention, the treaty that binds close to games. and that's very interesting, james, because obviously there is a huge amount of controversy within nato itself. how much unity is that among the nation members at the moment as well? i mean, i think if you look back to this then the scale of this will. ready that the timeline of the whole went out 15 months in i think, in, in february last year you would have been surprised to have seen of this much support for ukraine, from nato. and this much unity when you've been going on this long. of course, there are cracks, elizabeth developed on some issues, as i said,

the cost of munitions $1.00 is a good one and it's a difficult one to the night. so it's that kind of general, you installed some bug off them about it last week. and he said, nato has no positions on tests to munitions is up to the individual members. but he knows very well that the public and data countries. they have a position on cost of munitions. it's deeply unpopular. and of course, they've tried to have a very clear narrative over the last 15 months, which is russia carrying out war crimes, russia of crimes of aggression, crimes against humanity. and that slightly, i think, using talk to munitions mondays. that's messaging that they've been trying to sell to the publics in all of the nice our nations out of america. the james bay is that covering that summit for us and don't ask. thank you very much, james. well, what is the person administration's response to all of this? that's a question from the re, as a whole row of them, the spokes person for the russian ministry of foreign affairs who joins us now live from moscow and music car. but thank you very much for your time,

your foreign minister. so good luck, rob has said that russia is taking appropriate and timely measures in response to nato expansion, but it will protect its own the, just a minute security interest. what does that mean in practice to the gene? yeah, i told them much as flu. i would like to just little up charge, so i'm not gonna leave with your question. i would like to come in to what to you, published to your journalists and your commenters have just said that nature has demonstrated to unity in cohesion with regard to ukraine. you know, which sounds like, can a joke. what is confusion is. so nature is united about to you create no joining that you and your stay in your article that nato demonstrates support for your crane. what support for your crane? you can see sure, because nature decides not to to include ukraine. what support are we talking about?

so it seems the ukraine nature members to have been pulling a ukraine to into the western world. at the time when ukraine calls for how they abandon the ukraine, the letter ukraine down. you should see the reality instead of making up for stories. and rather than repeating the statement so far, so good, your general stuff under cool. this is the major outcome. the major outcome is that to me, i think when to use state shift onto constitutional coded saw in the ukraine here, tricking ukraine into a non confrontation with the russia. this is a cohesion and your task of unit 2. nonsense. and. and if we think about the question of why ukraine is not included in nature ranks, it is quite interesting. z in invites finland and sweden,

but not to ukraine live. this is a question that should be posted on tv channels. why not? because if you see multi 1000000000, you know, great financial aids is set, provide it to, to ukraine through nature. it doesn't matter if for a country so doing that together, we're individually they're providing arms of to ukraine. so why not to ukraine is not a member of not true, maria. so i believe that the non sues, quite interesting. there is a version that i want to ask you a question of the back of your question. you ask why? nature hasn't made you create an offer of membership. there is the argument that perhaps including ukraine wallets as well with russia, would then be pushing nature as well with russia. how would russia view, and any kind of offer of membership or a foss track for you trans, enjoying nature,

and the decision us missional with it, and it should fish those really funny. you truly believe that tonight, who is nothing the state of war against russia? because all the fighters mercenaries, the military instructors, advisors to money and investing intelligence the top provided to by net to, to the key of the reach e and nature is involved in the military activities. certainly, and nature has been pushing ukraine towards the as i can provide you on leave, on a proof of in the off, in the 6 months to the month to month, so before the special moultrie alterations in the summer 2021 nature has carried out with military exercises and the see in the vicinity of the russian borders and the, and the depth time they have decided to penetrate to the russian. buddha, it was the 6 months before the special milch reparation was launched. this was just one of the 1000000 examples when the nature is involved in the ukrainian

developments before the heart phase of the conflict. i have just another proposal for you. let's uh, address it another onset to the question. why? nature is not including what your crane probably you would like this on similar maybe because the west impala trivia crane in terms of full and should belong to prudence. and and this topic is only starting for programs not much. your cream is not needed in nature and that's a composition. and there is a now elvis, a desire for them to invade the western parts of the ukraine. this via ukraine is not invited to nature because if you create it becomes part of nature, nature. the members themselves should recognize voters of ukraine and nature

members and no to interested in that because prove and so read through and is interested in the west and paul to ukraine and is a car of i, i want to, to clarify a point, does russia right now, as you alluded to that currently believe that it is at war with nature, why not so couldn't? you should have a election. i need to is involved, certainly in the confrontation with the russian. i'm quite surprised that you're asking this question. we've been talking about this every day that there are got to russia, they have launch to high read rule hybrid woman. so military confrontation, same shows, pressure, political pressure against russia. we're talking about this every day that was mentioned by all with president's bio administer. we've been talking about $2.00 to $4.00 days that need to a range of gold and military actions against russia,

and that's for ukraine. there is no rush to ukraine conflicts. it does not exist because ukraine is used by nature. first and foremost by the not of states and great britain as an instrument of leverage to influence russia. well, one of the purposes of russia, a special military operation in ukraine was a sense would be to stop nature from guessing more of a foothold that. but it really seems to have done quite the opposite. how does that happen? nancy? it's not cable. no, no, no, no, no black not. we had the we had them to the objective to we connect to because nature united states with brickman, the entire nature had an objective to we can rusher. just look at their statements full. yes, they were talking about the rushes, the server, and so they wanted to, we can our country would you haven't made any statements. we haven't persecuted policy. we can need to. we had enough jack to if that was what set for the

entire country which is to did not define the key originally. and because key origin is nonsense disagreement. no. and does it service true shame, and we have set an objective to the not suffice. the re key received. and the 2nd objective was to demo tries the key reasoning. and we have a global objective, which is to ensure guarantees the security guarantees are for russia. i will recall that 6 months before the launch of the special military alteration our country offered the so called collective west to we were talking about these, which includes the, the united states need to and the members of the always see to develop and use security guarantees. so that will truly not comes in so full was so that we have, we were peaceful intentions. we have all these from intentions and we were denied

they've made, we have provided this security guarantees the in the written. but they refused to discuss the system. will refuse to, to discuss the security guarantees, but then we're going to create our security guarantees that our loan will. speaking of security guarantee is mis. i've missed a car guy. you said that you would tell us a little bit more about what your foreign minister gala broke meant when he said that in response to nato expansion, it would protect its own legitimate security interest. what does that look like? of the use of that they've done and so does that process, did you position the creation of security guarantees on the ground in this for the political the mention of a that's a question. i will explain what uh, the conceptual differences and the political position. so the west and our country, west western countries believe that they have a moral rights to ensure the political domain on some of the worlds. and 1st and

foremost, we're talking about the washington, the through their exclusiveness. they have a historical ride to dictate, they will, and they have a sub coin, the rules based world, older. but there are new rules. nobody has devised this rules. nobody has developed the rules. no one is where what these rules are about, send out where and defending all of the security methods. and security guarantees is based on the understanding of international law, which includes the you in charge to the entire package of the, of the documents that developed by the union secure to cancel. this is our understanding of how a piece or should we deal with the tribute is how the world uh should be built. it shouldn't be based on the rules that so no one is aware of. it should be based on

international law at the hall to which the global going of the so a concept of sovereignty, independence, and silver and the quality of states. there are no states that are better or worse, stronger, or maybe because of the come on because power can have some additional a right. so what could have influence and lower to with other states, there is a nicole, which you'll see so that as in freinds and the you're in charge of this is one of the fundamental elements of understanding secure. it's a guarantee she's the far from establishing right now, the relevant security guarantees on the ground. well then let me ask you, what is most codes, vision of a future security architecture for your what would that look like? what would you propose you have to start, but i'm glad you might have just to takes about 2 tonight can repeats. we proceed

from the assumption that to now the entire world that is should make a choice. do we want to list them in the quote in the conditions so where all countries are equal then we should opt for international law that has been established by international institutions to through consensus and such and uh, international students like united nation, send it security council, all wish would opt for neil colonial chimes and turn it to colonial times and turn it over into the new colonial world that is pushed forward by the united states. great britain, them the need to set to live countries. we choose the 1st option, which is the international legal, not fundamentals of our world. a while we're international affairs with the equal

rights of each and every state with the equal loads with an opportunity for each and every say to this you their own independence foreign policy and their independent domestic policy without internal, without some not interference from the outside based on the you and child to and the international united nations could become part of the system that you're talking about. and is a car about you spoke about international law. many country is regard your special minute feel peroration in ukraine as having broken international. what would it take for russia to bring its special military operation that to an end? yes, i'm just like, last night is like, well, i agree with you to go and i agree with the surface to the to international is violated in ukraine. i truly support the statements. it is absolutely true, but the question is, when the international law was violated,

it was violated in 2014, when in the sent to ukraine, in the ukrainian capital, and the mines on mt. if the house carried out to them. and then constitutional kuta, it's not because the cleaning of people raised against the thirty's, but the merry tends to. but the united states to great britain, france, germany, poland, and baltic states united to 20 to ukrainian authorities. and to bring to part with those who they support. so when they have offices, when they have over through and you have to call, which is the actual president's health ukraine and the way they have provided authority to the citizens. so the united states, canada gemini, and many other states, it's at that point when the international law was violated at that time,

we should have talked about it and we have been talking about it for all this almost 10 years. and unfortunately, the west, the didn't want to talk about to them. they didn't want to come out to it because everyone would learn the truth of what adult just doing in washington. and there is a car over that the spokes pass on for the russian ministry for and it says thank you very much for your time. and for joining us here on out of here. well, that's bringing out of amount of get a james bay's in vilnius. he's been listening and to james, what did you make of what some is a car. if i had to say that it's quite a bit of a split screen moment because while she was speaking, thanks those things, the actual nato leaders on out in the whole the north of north atlantic council. that is the leaders meeting. they have that meeting just started while she was speaking to us, the very interesting to hear what she had to say, because it is completely the opposite way around. forever. thing that you hear from

nato and the night to leaders, she described to a, in so it describes the invasion of russia and what is happening in ukraine as an empty constitutional kuda cut off by nato. and she kept referring to the united nations and international load, while you look at the un charter and the most basic thing that charter, which is a founding document of international law. since the 2nd level, the most basic thing, it says, if you're a country you're not allowed to invade another country, and that clearly is what russia does. did in, in, in march last year. let's discuss, oldest for the i'm joined by become about almost he's the managing director of the german marshall funds. you were listening to maria. dr. rosa, what did you make of her comments? well, frankly, it's a little bit hard to follow someone who has a very loose connection with the truth and with reality that starts and it's point number one. second, the i'm, i'm, i'm really glad to hear that she's such a fan of the united nations and the un charter. as you said,

it's very clear and it was confirmed by over a 140 countries in the u. n. an assembly that russia has committed an act of aggression and has attacked ukraine against breaking this, this charter. so i very much was hoping that the rush, i would follow the international law. uh, a and as a founder of united nations should follow the un charter and stop the illegal war. a given that there was a very interesting argument in the attic, that's a nato. it was weak. and this unified and that was because they were not making you create a member. i thought that's the one thing brush it didn't want. i. she folder for the one. 0, she sounded like one of the biggest supporter of nato, a membership for uh for, for ukraine. uh, of course, this is, this is a getting twisting, twisting to the arguments. the arguments around russia i think, is trying to mask the fact that it's the doing very badly against

a country that is much smaller and much less populous. you know, we used to think that the russian army was the 2nd best in the world. we now know is the 2nd best in ukraine, because ukraine is, is able to withhold its attack. let me put to 2 points to maybe have some flexibility. nato is very, very involved in this. well, not just the arms and not ministering, but she talked about the, the trainers, the instructors then not probably boots on the ground in terms of, of, of nato forces, but nato's really it meshed. and this isn't that. there are no boots on the ground, as you said. one of the principles of the un charter is that the country that is attacked has that way and because it rides to self defense and other countries that can support uh, this country in self defense. the. so this is what made the member states because not community to as an organization is doing both the military aid in terms of training. that's very much clear because again, this is such

a blatant violation of the basic principles of international law and do you and charter, i mean of the area where she sheet she spoke, which, which we mentioned a moment ago, is disunity. but there is a little bit of disunity on the show at this summit. it took some time to persuade, present no, to my other one about sweden 15 months. and we not entirely sure yet whether the turkish parliament and then the ongoing parliament will finally rectify sweden's membership to become the 32nd member. so those that issue and then present spencer's got big off caea. and there's real disagreement isn't that, i mean, they've been trying to solve these disagreements with ambassadorial most the days. they haven't managed. in fact, the leaders now gone to the close part of that meeting. they are actually going to pour over the text and maybe rewrite it themselves. well, you know, look, we are democracies. democracies have to find a consensus and we are just having a healthy debate, especially on the issue of how do we phrase the next step. uh,

the next steps of ukraine's a relationship with mater. let's remember that in bucharest, nato cries degree. did that eventually ukraine will be no matter what. will be part of the lions. we are now have agreed as a lions that there will be nato ukraine console, that there will be a military aid going to ukraine ended. the procedure of joining for ukraine will be easier, but what's not clear? ease how and when there will be a new invitation. i'm yes, we are having a healthy debate about this. i see a lot of unity because on the issues that to ukraine will be in nato, also that nato will be strengthened. and that's the, that's the regional plans that will be decided. and in fact, i'm not, i'm relaxed about sweden joining the alliance. we have a total unity of the of deadlines. and i do agree here with fulton burke who said this is some of these old id. she's starting before it started because sweden is

joining. so if you're a ne, totally to right now. yes. what should you be? most worried about about the warranty? the ukraine right now. i wouldn't be most worried about the ability of ukraine to continue this bloody war about. it's eh, population about the fact that this is in the end, very unfair fight. and that's why that's why the leaders will continue to on the one hand corner all about the language it's. but on the other hand, like francis prism macro will uh, will offer additional military 8. i'm concerned about shifting the calculus of the cabinet and they'll put things, but specifically that the time is working, not for russia, but for ukraine. and i think we are see seeing this with progressing smooth mutiny,

that if he continues to do uh, to attack ukraine, that will be consequences far. right? shot internally. and i hope that will in the west continue the military age as long as it takes for i shot to become what about the us? we have elections in november next year? yes, i mean that cruise if trump was re elected, for example, or someone like trump, who has views on ukraine, but perhaps does not want to be involved in the long haul. your, it's not going to fight to help you crate and fight this war and it's, i don't use it. you know, it's true that we have elections in, uh, well, we actually accept the election secret. i shop as well because i wanted to say, you know, all democracies, the future of the western support will certainly depend a lot on what happens in the united states. when i talk with my republican friends, they assure me that the republican party is very supportive of ukraine. you know,

it's one thing to be saying, uh, very strong boards in the campaign. let's see if 1st of all, let's see who wins. and let's see how the next president governs because this is clearly in the interest of the united states and of nato, to have stability and peace in europe. and that includes um, having russia back behind its borders and withdrawing from ukraine. i called bowsky all feet of german marshal fun. thank you very much for joining us here. all now, which is 0. so the nato summit, formerly on the way now those natives eat as being round the tables of the north atlantic council. that's what it's called when on study one countries meet together . some times. it's on both of those around the table. sometimes 5 minutes is sometimes defense ministers once a year. it is the latest the day on now trying to will account exactly what they're going to say say, and what that position will be with regard to ukraine's aspirations to be a member of the alliance. doesn't matter. get into the james bay is the app that summit for us in vilnius. thank you so much, james. well,

there's still plenty more ahead with lots more coverage here on this news out of the summit in vilnius as well as possible nato expansion. to stay with the color, we still got a few more sabbaths coming in to southern parts of japan, less flood fit parts of japan, but the what the weather is making its way further north with this the my, your front still some pretty weatherbug coming into a good positive, best south career easing across the yellow sea levels. a slide a little further north was across the safety pad, northern positive country, seeing the west to wherever you can see west and there was a falling. she wanted to show us down towards the south as well, saying some live you still with big students to into a northern china just to go around the gina and pushing up into web aging on my.