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hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much in june and lithuania, some of the world's top leaders are discussing the future of nato. after repeatedly blocking sweden's membership, turkey a says it's now ready to support it. rushes invasion of ukraine has served to strengthen the alliance. that's frustrating moscow's territorial expansion and attempts to broaden its inputs. so how is nato changing the power dynamic across europe and our president vladimir put in respond. we'll explore these issues with our guests in a moment. but 1st this report by katya lopez for the young. the warning ukraine has change needles, relevance, particularly as european governments, the greater security, your excellency sweden's efforts to join the military alliance, helping blocked by through to you for more than a year. but now president regent type, or the one has agreed to back it and j, gillian, we will open the weiss's weight and just as we did for finland,

i expressed mister president, job boston, and i have to underline it's a guy in here. we expect to visit from president flooded me personally next month. if this visit to took it takes place. we will also discuss the black sea greenville . us has announced that attempts to send dozens of new f 16 fighter jet to, to key a move. it's previously health off on washington says, all this the strengthening the military alliance. soon we will be able to say that since this war began, since russia invaded ukraine, we have, well, we'll have welcome to new members of nato with strong militaries, expanding both the size and the strength of the alliance. ukraine says it has earned the right to join nato by fighting a fight. you're a pass sought to avoid. but the alliance considers an attack on one member as an attack on all. and us president joe biden says ukraine, joining nato now could have disastrous consequences. going to come under. moscow

has warned, it's monitoring the summit and carefully normal when you block or you nature welcomes finland and sweden, but not ukraine. why? this is a question that should be addressed. we see multiplan and all the 8 packages given to you, crane by nature states. so why the hesitation to joining the alliance, which is up until a few years ago, nato was seen by many as a defunct alliance. lacking purpose, but now it appears to be re shaping tool politics in europe and beyond. katia look this up again for insights story. all right, for more on all of this, i'm joined by our guests in washington, dc is robert hunter, former us ambassador to nato and senior fellow at the center for transatlantic relations at johns hopkins university in brussels, is month to extreme senior policy fellow at the european council on foreign relations. and an as stumble is seen on olga and former turkish diplomat and senior

fellow at carnegie. you're welcome to you want and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story. robert, let me start with you today. how important is it that may tow display units see at the summit and how much unity is there right now, amongst may tell members it was that's the nature of the summit to show you entered a particularly to mister potent in moscow. and in fact, it's a try to make sure that all the allies are indeed on the same page when it comes to confronting what mr. potent is doing with his war and ukraine. that includes getting each of the allies to made the so called target goal of 2 percent of gross domestic product spent on defense, which is k 2 a 3 year to well actually for next year of that, that's the point out there is going to be unity on that,

that are going to be disagreements. and the basic disagreement is the point at which ukraine will be asked to join a no, it's not going to happen now. and frankly, i don't think it's ever going to happen, but this is the landscape of your, of ukraine, is pushing very hard. you get the strongest commitment he possibly can. maps, how much has the war in ukraine change nato's relevance and has russia's invasion of ukraine, only served to strengthen the lights without thinking many ways the rest and unity over the ukraine and the supporting ukraine. against that suggestion is impressive. it has been not discussion before on the depletion, supposedly, than they do have within the european union. but so far there has been unimpressive unity and in that sounds, i think it has also started from 8 to a cnn. after repeatedly blocking sweeties, memberships are key,

and now it says that it's ready to support it. why? why the change in the decision? what did turkey get in return from demand to the 2 things? one, a, an explicit commitment by sweden to be more disciplined regarding the monitoring and prevention off of the recruitment, fundraising activities offer a terrorist. these entities in sweden. and yesterday, d a. m o u and there was signed, also sets up a by lecture mechanism between trick in sweden. so wanted to this. so this is juan, clear area where things have changed from the tractors perspective. and the 2nd model, which will become perhaps more concrete, incoming days, is the us commitment to deliver uh, the package of f sixteens,

which turkey had off onto the new summit. there was no firm commitment on the, on the side of the us administration. it claiming that fundamentally it's up to congress to approve this. but now it seems that things have also changed on, and that the us administration has cold turkey sides that this transaction will go through. and this is what has essentially led to the agreement. you convince, robert you heard seen on there talk about the issue of the f sixteens of the us has announced that it will move ahead with the transfer of x f. 16 fighter just to tear key a in consultation with congress. this happened just a day after tricky. i gave the green light for sweden joining nato. is this what it was bound to come down to? i don't believe there was ever a chance to administer heritage on would deny suite and a membership in nato. how we've just been talking about surprise. i one point last

week, mr. on talked about. uh, getting back to negotiations for turkey, joining a, to your opinion. and that's not going to happen. his as real prize has been, as you're said, to fold for this ways to do more to block kurdish activities with in sweden has regularly to make sure they would get these arms from the united states. if it came down to the end, that's the way it targeted negotiates is not the only country that has a smart negotiator. much let me ask you when it comes to sweden joining nato. what kind of a timeline are we looking at when it comes to that happening? and i think that the pounds a lot to on the talk is no stratification procedure and also on the hungry that

steve has not stratified as well. some people in sweden are hoping for a very, very rapid gratification before the talk is parliament, summer excess. but as far as i understand is more likely to happen during the war to amend the same with the hungry. but after those positions, as a matter of base, as i understand it, i'm also not an expert on the us congress. but i might also think that i'm still there is clear public statements from the leadership in the us congress about these f. 16 airplanes. but to talk it might not go for the, for the application before that, but that's just my speculation seen on a president air. the one has been able to achieve this delicate balance in managing his relationship with nato, as well as his relationship with russian president vladimir putin. now, what circuit agreement to back sweden as a needle member, as well as presidents. they are the one statement that ukraine deserves membership

in nato. how much does that complicate the turkey a russia relationship? as it does um, you are right in uh, stating that uh, turkey has crafted a delicate balance in this forum policy towards uh, russia, ukraine, 10, uh, the nato allies. uh, since the beginning of the war. uh, but that balance is shifted and we'll see that very clearly. uh, since the end of the electoral cycle in turkey with a number of different develop once a one of them indeed are drawn strongly back in the accession of ukraine to nato. but also incidentally when, as your lens t was in char key, he went back home or with the commanders of the oswald freight shipment, of who she told you they were to remain in turkey. and that also electro reaction

must call. and now this also, uh, the, the green light tingle, sweetens accession nato. when you take all of that, it looks as if churches pull this young brush is also shifting as cherokees turning more towards the west. but also as a result of an assessment that russia is weakening both from the grounding ukraine, but also more particularly for puts in, in rushing. so this thing on, let me follow up with you on that point is part of this calculation that might be happening now. when it comes to present air dwanda assessment of president putin is part of that. the president air, the one feels perhaps he has more leverage on president put in after this mutiny. that was stage by the wagner group. i mean, does president air the one for see president put in to be more of a weekend figure right now? yes, i would, i would say so. not just because all the uprising in russia, but generally today, turkey is the only nature country that has

a high level of political engagement with russia. it's the only natural country that does not in some instructions against russia. the air corey though, remains open. so this has become even more valuable for russia. it's russia is the increasing the isolate. and that provides leverage for for turkey and are the one to re shift the balance of this relationship with russia. robert, when it comes to president biden's presence at the summit, obviously he's working. he's walking bit of a diplomatic type rope here. he's a lot that he has to balance. how much concern is there among nato members right now about upcoming elections in the us and 20? $24.00. how much worry is there that perhaps a figure like donald trump could be re elected, or that a g o p white house when next year could shatter nato going forward? you have to remember, it's a long time between now and the your selections, 81. 0,

we already have everybody talking about them and it's not even clear the minutes the trunk will be the republican nominates. there has been some weakness on the if that's the right word. on the republican side for continuing to spend as much money on the ukraine war. and the allies may wonder about that. but what mr. button is doing is making sure everybody knows that's the united states is locked in to supporting ukraine as much as is required short of a direct, military confrontation with russia to help your kind do as much as possible and as war as not really about ukraine joining nato is about solidarity by the alliance to push back against russia. and whether or not it stays, being firmly committed on that. there is really no further doubt that that's going

to happen. and just the water is up in muddied by the question about whether you're crying when you're creating with joy nato. but the solidity of us support for ukraine has been made clear by the president of the united states. and that is the thing that matters had made a match, it keep accepts that it will not be able to join nato while at war with russia. but how much consensus is there right now, mike natal members that ukraine would be able to join when the war ends and what are the hurdles to that happening as well as think uh uh there are various divisions within they do on that. this has been public a reported with the us and you, i'm going to taking a more cautious line and i think we have a lot to read that will be statements and the, the joint uh victor ations. uh, so let's give it a reset the night to something,

but tonight i understand that, but i think we will not really know that until february. so where, um we know how that i'll come looks uh the language now. would it be more general about the long term process, so that membership, but not with any country promises, but if they, for example, it would be a negotiated outcome which ship people don't want to talk about where i shall somehow retain the try me a it might be rather difficult for a to, to allow your trade into the alliance with that situation still there. i don't know . we will see robert. i saw you nodding along to some of the knots was sitting there and it looked like you wanted to jump in. so please go ahead. well, i'm kind of a lot around this. i don't think your crane is ever going to drawing nato because it takes an absolute consensus of all 31 countries. and right now, i say, and how did states in germany or out in the front put

a lot of countries are hiding behind them. notably, france and, and the united kingdom. and when it comes down to it, a decision by individual countries to be willing to go to war for ukraine to declare war on russia if it were true, after the war to renew fighting against ukraine is just something that many of the others are just not kind of to shows us as a distraction. the basic thing at this moment is to show unity of purpose and unity of action in terms of what's actually done, not just words, to oppose the russian aggression. how far are what have to be pushed back before the interface as serious negotiations. as a matter of a of a debate, i suspect in the final analysis a rusher will have, if not permanent gains in crimea. shirley, a special relationship there, there will go on

a for the indefinite future. that matters. how are you reacting now to what robert was saying? did you want to jump in as well? well, i can agree to a lot of that, and that's what i'm saying to make these declarations. i don't know the way they how dr. can 5 security got these. but i also want the us to emphasize that the massive support that need to has given through your train so far. i'm the new company at times now. well, i'm saw there, right? but as their neighbor, it is from cross, for example, and also jo. many now, today i think so, so i mean lots are not under estimate of the kinds of support that they do is giving you training to win this more so so that the sort of some expression i think common sort of data differing as seen on let me get your perspective and all this nato membership is something that can take decades to achieve ukraine once a commitment to, for a much quicker timeline. is that something that can actually happen to some extent

the to can because there is a discussion as we speak and natal about whether listing of the requirements of 1st offering a membership action plan, which was the fast way full cost. enlargement can also be, can be done for you, great, because the step condition is lifted. the then we will these be talking about a more accelerated timeline for ukraine. membership, pro wise is that there is a consensus with the nature of for, and enlargement to you. and so now let me also ask you um, from your vantage point, how is nato changing the power dynamic across europe right now, off to the war in ukraine. of course, nato has come to the forefront as the main guarantor of european security. it's become clear that despite many efforts since the

burgeoning over your ip security can defense identity, your opponent song is not going to be able to provide for these type of hardcore security guarantees for euro or for the neighborhood of you. and therefore, we've seen very clearly countries committing themselves even more from the to nature, accepting to fulfill the 2 percent spending a threshold. countries like sweet and then seen then uh, after many, many decades of neutrality wants to join nato. a country like germany who for historical reasons, had not had no significant defense budgets, accepting to upgrade their defense commitments. so, and ultimately the, all of these, all of these countries and all of these, the golf clubs are strengthened in nature. those role in europe for, for the security of the content. robert,

what are nato leaders most concerned about right now and, and what would cause the most disagreement among member nations now is one of the biggest concern right now is solidarity against russian aggression, which is to continue prosecuting the war as far as is necessary. one thing that is not being discussed, maybe not even in private. here's what does that mean in practical terms when people talk about or ukrainian victory. so far mr. barton has been extremely careful about providing just for the for up and ready and getting other countries to provide rapid rate to help ukraine prevail on the immediate battlefield, but not to give them so much as they could actually drive a russia into a corner by b let's say pushed entirely out of a chest, the disputed region. they mainly have to say,

mainland ukraine but also and cry man, so there has to be a balance truck there. so that is the real issue here at the summit. wells therapy, solidarity in doing that. a swedish issue is always this side issue a when and if your credit and actually joins. nato is also another side issue. it's important, critical has the present and i just, i just made clear the other day to have mr. pruitt and get the message that he will not be able to crack the will of nato. and that the battle will continue until he gets that message and is willing to negotiate something less. and he has been demanding mats here and robert, there, talk about the message that nato would like to convey to president putin. moscow a has warrant that it's monitoring the summit carefully. what kind of a response do you think we might see from president put in going forward?

but i'll think in the current situation, uh, his options are all very limited. if you go back now to the ballistics sea area. and so he done that seamless accession, a rush of us threatening different kinds of actions down the road. so to, let's change that, made it through post jury in that area. but for now the draft from the army in particular is so decimated by the board. and do crating that to their options are not that big. uh, but uh, i am sure that they are considering all their options and we do have both in the us. they do also some job or mountains, that dog all that close to, to russia. and we're having a common yeah, an extra news to lock. yes. well, this is not the kind of, i mean, this is more in france at that as he'd done. but i think that cost aging,

very many options, but that their ability not always stop the payment to see not i'd like to talk for a few more minutes about how much concern there is among some nato nations when it comes to promises a potential membership to ukraine is, is the fear essentially, that this would give russia and incentive to both escalate and to drag out the war . well, there's that, but also there's a more long term issue of, uh, basically whether ukraine's territorial integrity can be guarantee. and because indeed, we don't know what sort of political sets of months will emerge after the war. hopefully, it will emerge in a way that guarantees ukraine territory really integrity. but if it does not, for instance, of crime, if the, if russia decides to not even negotiate the states of crimea, for instance,

that's going to be a huge issue for nato because the countries will need to enter nature with their full territorial integrity. that's also somewhat the case for georgia, so that's the way also a big concern. but i just want to come back to the questions that you would ask them best. they're hunter. i think the biggest concern today in europe about nato is about the future of us politics. and this is something that you already alluded to a moment ago because the european leaders have experienced the trump era. they, sol, how time for hall trump had actually gone this far as descriptive credibility or article 5. and now there's another prospect which is about china and taiwan. so a different us government, the that would have other proclivities might very soon turn and to, but to east asia. and therefore, it would also be um,

an impediment to her all natural deterrence to, to time when war in the center of europe is still continuing. so that's one of the major concerns that you hear in europe about the future of nato to match up until a few years ago. nato was seen by a lot of people as well. some would say growing lee in effective uh, maybe not as important as it had been in the past, but now it seems to be a moment where it stature is changing a lot. that's re shaping geo politics in europe and beyond. how much has the perception of nato changed in the moment that we're in right now? yes, i think you're right there in that the test changed and it has shown us we have discussed the unity in supporting ukraine as. but that is for now, if you see this as a long term process, i agree it to

a lot of the found on the, the next to us president will do. and there is all of the additional discussion within the european they do allies, the air of the need to be able to more on their own capabilities spot them, they do. but also because of the more general do with shift towards a shy, i'm the pacific region, the so how the picture we look on they do, we don't know the outcome of the rough sort of ukraine. of course. hopefully that will be a week 3 of a kind for, for your trade. i found that to be that need to ask these kind of beta to now, but i still think these challenges remain. but to discuss the locked a few years ago, i was on the trump administration of the long term address to me, i'm still the alliance. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guest, robert hunter, mazda angstrom and cnn, oregon. and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by

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