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isn't she lovely? all right, so the spectacle, the b u t. the business, the impact of beauty pageants on women. i know some men in india, that is what we're talking about. how you to comment section is life looking forward to hearing what you have to say on this topic? with us to talk about betsy patches in india in them by we have paramita laura, a filmmaker and right to in us state of indiana radhika. however, we saw one, a professor of india culture,

i'm jane to studies at the university of indiana. and emb i put in my a, a full, my super motto from india. ladies, it's so good to have you. well, i didn't mention at the very beginning of the show. it was it. this is the 2nd time in jet will house miss welled back in 1996. didn't go to well, right. if you could sum up the 1996. how state of misquote in india, what would you say happened as i would say it was a period of intense controversy. i'm sure my plan and let's remember this. it was held in bangalore the, the donna so that was the place where the pageant was held. it had state supports, but the rash, huge protests, and the streets were filled with protesters and strikes. and if i remember correctly, the swimsuit section had to be postponed up. sorry,

had to be in reno somewhere. el reno carry that router, can relocate at the sides of india. exactly, say shields island. and they were protest on the left from the right. and so i, i remember it being a huge period of turmoil while at the same time they would also people who supported the pageant, but their voices were much more muted. and so, um i remember just being, you know, um i was in the us at the time just a few years after i arrived too. and lots of questions from people here. you know, asking me why, why this, why so much protest? you know, why are people so angry about this pageant coming? so yes um for it to come back, you know, um, so many years later it will be interesting to see what will happen this time, which is so fascinating either because just before me swelled was hosted in india for the 1st time. miss. well, miss universe, with both from india, india was killing it and the beauty stakes. so where's the disconnect between

hosting it and winning it? you know, i think that positives and negatives do everything and all the suicides to a point, and it's just unfortunate that it was being seen in the different light then. but i show the content of the volume, like the fashion shows, also have a board visit to come a lot more into seems today. so i'm shopping to get a much better response. now, the armies i'm just looking at how the miss world organization. i'm just going to read this, so my laptop, nobody looks at my writings messy. all right. have a miss. well, organizations, a talking about going to india this time. they chose india as a house. countries recognize, quote here, the nation's rich cultural heritage. it's commitment to promoting diversity and it's passion for empowering women for me to do so. thanks. a golf. in 1996 was india completely changed. so i mean, i think of india has changed and i agree that i don't,

i agree with that another. i don't think that this time around that would be protests like the last time i think. what is interesting, you said the last time you had people from a different kinds of political persuasions on the bottom, the same protest. i mean, you have the right when you had left just organizations that he had some of the store the my vision is also testing. i think the feminist or may of feminists and women have definitely evolved to think they differently about these things. i'm not so sure about the right thing, but you know, i do see that the way that the miss world of my vision is talking about it is very much in keeping with the logic agenda also of the government to want to promote india as displays of inclusion and progress and empowerment. uh which is a little bit in contrast with some of the things that are happening locally. so yes, i don't think that we see that kind of a protest because we saw it last time because it is detailing, i think with such a larger agenda as well. other than the fact that people accept beauty pageant

since i'm actually part of life. and i think that women fashion so sees social media or this is completely onto the way we think about these things. yeah, i, i, it's all to do. but i mean, i, i do think you know, that the larger landscape of beauty, culture of fashion, you know, there's been a huge and additional shift with young women now. because there's also to some extent, some of the critiques of the pageant that came from the right. right? we're a very much about body shaming. you know, a type of modesty that perhaps many feminists don't necessarily endorse, right? nor do, nor do feminist endorse objectification. but i do think, you know, that this agency said, i don't think the female body that has changed for the, you know, for the court in india. i don't know where you are exactly what that means because for instance, in 1996, as i said this when says competition, which we're looking at right now had to move outside of india. and also it looks

like the young ladies are covering themselves partially with wraps and colors and even jackets. so they're not fully showing off the body of that form. so what does that mean now in, in, in contemporary india? so how within 10 b and be seen in public? yeah, i think to a large degree, right. the attitude towards women has being that women represent the family, the men represent the community, you know, women's on or is a symbol right of the community in the family. and so a more just women challenge, you know, family on the community on now. and so there's been a lot of shame and control right, or are exhorted over women. and so i even, you know, do an item mental, even as a young woman, right. the kinds of policing expedients, very intense, even if your family is a bit liberal,

the community right pressures are very strong. so to some degree that is something good about them and feeling like if they want to, they can decide what part of their body they want to show. oh, they can decide what is more to start in modest yeah. right. and if they're not doing it only to please man, that is something empowering about that, that we cannot ignore. right? and so i do it right. okay, i'm going to show you in case you've missed some of those pictures from a pageant days. i know, goodness me. this is extraordinary. you'll stunning. how did you do this? well, here we talking here is fits. you tell me. sorry, we're dropping 1976 up in money. let me say show quest. and it was, it was at the time when of being in the movies being in modeling. and the beauty contests was not so accepted or around. but you. 2 we,

we kind of went out there and did the best we go, came back list and like kind of went on. but one didn't do any fees, objectified, or anything of the sort. you know, in fact, you said bob, because you are representing your country. you were taking your college shut out there was a sisterhood among all of the contestants, maybe learn from them as much as they know from us. and i mean, it was a platform where we built up what's analogies? and we felt that kind of confidence and came back and been for the my head. i want to put enough, i think. yes, on a go ahead. sorry. the morning part for the, for the young ladies up to date, because today most of the contests, i'm more of a personality context and do you invest a lot of clear? it's beauty with above. all right, i am so glad. yes, i'm so glad you said that cuz i'm going to bring us up to date with miss in the out . well, seen a shad

t to talks about miss india wild and why she's competing and what other people should compete in it and seen a shuttle. you will be competing in miss, well, later on this year, but have a look about how strongly frames the current pageant seminal missing. the all has given us. a boss was really more just every year for the past, 58 years, women, what aspirations in space, and most important piece of beauty for the if you do want to ran inspiration to an entire generation of women who got lost to you. guns joining via musicians called miss india. us. alright, that was, that's a really interesting probably by that, i'm out a go ahead. what we're going to say very quickly. yes. so viewed, you've at the top is ending the platform. now that's become such a strong back platform for the contestants to reach out to people from all walks of life. people who have been much the lies do don't get that chance to be of that and

to make a difference in their lives. so beauty contests, a deputy with a province. all right, so it's the same. so not just the brand, i did that, that really is purpose. that maybe is i'm going to ask you to tell us with a show of hands. if you consider yourself to be a feminist hand up, if you consider yes to have this, then i the, you know, i, i just feel how do i done so you have, i do not see you have. all right, and i see 200 monica. so humans, but here's the conversation. i know i always will be thinking about how can beauty pageants be feminist? are they not a relic of the past paramita thoughts? well, i think so if you know the idea of labeling something, some of this or not feminist is kind of fruitless because every cultural event has multiple meanings, right. and it's, it's a different experience for the individual. and i, i think, become denied but is that the young woman who gets to travel the world to on

a lot of money, to be appreciated. something that she has, one of these that she has of there is going to be confidence. and there's a kind of cultural capital that has been stopped by like, it was no, it creates a new kind of work life for women. and it allows them to be rich and famous, which is quite an important fact of expressing yourself in the world in b, 7 us. but on the other hand, i mean 90 weekly, connected to say something, but that, and in the past, you know, it was all the men from several cases from rather a leak families. right. so now the beauty pageant you do have, i sense that it's exactly what you're saying, but it's opened up to a larger group of women. yes, the same time at the same time, i don't think that we can forget that beauty pageants are not only about beauty. um, i'm not sure. i mean, doubt about the kind of our way she's not. it is, it's more than just it's about people. i see i'm surrounded by beauty, pageant,

queens, and with, with showing them on our behalf. and they all stomach that d r day. you don't want you, how can, i mean, this is pretty the, but it is about a very specific kind of beauty. so i don't think we should forget that drive like there is, there is an autonomy that happens when it was in the world and you work and you become appreciated. but it's, it's a southern type of do or image or i'm going to go to sign up. but i'm going to go to add a via miss india. laura dot to, again in the year 2000. it was, it was really productive here for india did amazing that. yeah, so this is a comedian, you know, in that normal q and a section where you're off the tough question as a contained. and let's lean into the onset because it's very relevant. have a look to there's a final question. right now there's a protest going on right outside here, calling the miss universe pageant disrespectful of women. convinced them that they're wrong. i think i think foggins like the miss

universe patch and gives us young women a platform. just for into the fields that we want to enforce or head speed entrepreneurship the at the armed forces, the politics. it gives us a platform to voice our choices opinions and makes us strong independent. that'd be all today. i know. what would you add to lorice thoughts that actually used auto and, and besides giving your sales to platform, giving you the platform, it gives you a platform to talk to lives of people who have a disadvantage of women will have a disadvantage and, and don't have a voice, you're able to give them a voice as well. so, so it's not only about sales, but it's about helping and making that difference in society do today. i think i don't think we can apparently the radical. yeah, yeah. i don't forget that. you know, it is

a very let me just kind of idea of beauty and it is about a certain kind of feminine that you too can you just, oh i like, how would you describe a certain kind of filter we're talking about in india, in the indian context fast skin with the single. 03 nice the i think see been for sure. right. i'm very, very straight like this very kind of a heterosexual world also that it's represents. so i think it doesn't, in that sense, mirrored with diversity of beauty, nor does it necessarily mirror the diversity of purpose, right? so it is also very limited, very specific kind of humanitarian work. but you can be politically radical and be in a beauty pageant very easily. so i think that's why we recognize that it creates, i mean, there's something radical for an individual to be able to be part of the space. and there is something that has happened for women in india, not only so beauty pageants, but a kind of complete shift in the representation of women's bodies sexuality,

claiming your own body. and also this divide that used to exist, you know, between pretty goes and smart growth. it's like, smart goes always dowdy and pretty close are not smart. so that divide has kind of been a raise to a great extent. and today people came bold, bad beauty. i'm very intelligent, some the brightness in different ways. so i think what all of that has happened. we can not forget that indian context with kind of person who is mostly in a beauty contest, isn't africa. listen, and it is. it's not just any kind of beauty is one kind of beauty and that one kind of beauty is linked to one kind of womanhood and one kind of femininity. it's not like everything and everybody, so i don't think we can. okay, right. okay, i'm going, i'm going to come to you, but via shift on the scene. huh. who actually attempted to take part in a beauty pageant, and she has a story to tell about that. and then immediately off the back of her, please add your thoughts here. we go, if you do much and stop at the lice,

some woman said securities, in fact, the standard of beauty propagated by passions. this thoughts just aspiration payment. the last, looking back a year ago when i bought this dated in the box and it was because i wanted to be labored. beautiful, and my little smart, think on with it. i think it's time we big a step back and re evaluate how we define b b from getting the emails to head extension and expensive skin treatment or mental constantly striving to look a certain way to fit in. i gotta go ahead. yeah. so i think, you know, building also what part of meet the said, right, i would say that the beauty pageant, you know, the stage, right, as we look at it has certainly changed. it's become inclusive and so many different ways. um, you know, and, and i also think it's, you know, you have to look at beauty pageants, norton, i solution. but you know, the, so much a dispute into the india in terms of the fashion industry in terms of the other

parts of the beauty industry. the women's magazine industry and changes happening in bollywood as well. right? so beauty pageants are very much part of this tapestry. right. and so i think, you know, what you've, auntie is pointing out is yes that you know. yeah, not every one you know can, can be missing. yeah. uh certainly the, you know, there are restrictions on, as we already spoke about, right. size, you know, the kinds of hair, the kind of skin color, all of those right are still very much there. we have to recognize those constraints certainly, but i also think they have to recognize a visa constraint that spread across various popular culture and media industries. right? so that, you know, you can. * and see, oh, you can't claim the beauty pageant that is, you know, that's the only space that's restrictive. so how can we talk about right,

opening up, right? the opening up sort of the space of beauty to be far more inclusive, has to be done. i think beyond just beauty pageants, right. so i, yeah, i the we went up if i had lost that in unity patches, but there is until the beauty of other spaces right here. you know, i think said to do the disconnect between by default and i mean just leave it when we need some space for. and i want you to just respond very quickly to some of us who are watching on youtube. one of them says indian values of being lost, immediate reaction to that. not to charlie, it's up to the individual. i mean it's, it's like viewed using the eyes of the beholder, decile values we all, i need to keep your values in that each one's perspective on that. i certainly don't think so. i didn't compromise in any of my values when i represented didn't get international contests. so i don't see where that comes from. i mean the value,

the value each of the beauty is, is that they've gone given assets. and if you decide that you want to show it up, you should be allowed to. marie says, i have no, this is on youtube. thanks marie for watching. i have no pageant women who have done patches bank high a life which is point bring so much mold and beauty, intelligence, world involvement, and outreach along with continuing to give back on what i find fascinating. it is about miss. well 2023. it is based on philanthropy, child sees that the young women will be bringing one's promotes, giving them an opportunity to do so. is that because beauty pageants, they have to change, they have to ingle contemporary, it cannot be just going them investments. it's yes, absolutely. and the template from the origin, the template it has moved and it has shifted. it has shifted to include m b, no, not tomorrow, we need more substance in the what i mean, it's just not, it's you, you cannot stick to that narrow lean. and everybody realizes it, like i said,

even fast and chose to date have become all inclusive and beauty contests are on the way and they're doing show, well we've, i mean, we don't think what we haven't talked about is, is really the business of beauty in india. it's 6 plus there's ways to make you look like to imply to say and lovely. you'll have to look gorgeous. isn't this all playing, isn't a miss welled competition in india, playing into that oscar and willing to spend more money on themselves? just the thought roddic. yeah, i, i have to say yes, and this is why the 1996 missed work back in for the interesting to because it occurred right after indian the indian economy changed quite rapidly. right. we began to have economic liberalization, india opening up to 4 and companies. so, beauty pageants, you know, and are the thoughts of, you know, beauty,

call to go hand in hand, that the beauty as a business. so you cannot divorce, right? one from the other. the one quick thing, i'll also add to this is that the beauty pageant you know, to some degree, also build on the vestiges of i just stuck and see, right. do have a beauty queen to some degree, you know, noblesse oblige going out and saving the messages. so if you have to think about that model as well, right? so backed up by the beauty business, you have somebody who has been cut out queen. it's not and like what prints up and says diana did, it's not on like what queen elizabeth does. right. so that is a model of no, let's light. yeah. right. built in that can be quite tight article. so that is something to think about as well. and i think another thing that did happen, the thing about the tapestry of popular culture and, you know, went through the passions beauty pageant i missed in miss was from india really

opened up the indian market to coast metrics, companies on fashion business. oh, yes, it is. a question of the market. oh, why a front desk like this? what happens of duty by this happens to those those groups actually you have women when you buy just entering cinema, entering television and also change part about the union there. i tell you, oh yeah, i'm always talk, wouldn't be mobile up to us. it's not that everybody look the way they look. they didn't look like there was a distinction between a kind of beauty you find the kind of you find focus in a ma spring have kind of diversity on union street that most thing. but then then most of my vision that is of course. and so to the point about, is it not impacting eating disorders? is it not meaning that people are spending a lot of money on cosmetic procedures, a matter of the cost of it, the cost of the nice things like that's the thing that's on the bottom. it's impossible to say you can't do this a good or a bad thing,

but it has money back in a society which i'm very free, i mean branding and some of which are actually ready. cuz i know the in this conversation, pardon me, to erotica and i la, you have demonstrated that it's not either or it's not, let's get rid of the b g project. it's not empowering women. and, and also it's too much of a business ongoing. they fit in using women as products. it's very complicated and very layered. i am going to be watching with interest to see what happens with miss . well, 2023 being held in india towards the end of this year. one is the original opponents of the 1996 this well competition was a b j, p who are now in power in india. so how fast they thing is that what will happen in november or december? thanks for watching. i'll see you next time. take everybody, the

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