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hello and welcome to the program. i'm emily angle, and we don't want to as in to become a proxy for other countries. the words of indonesia is president joe co window as foreign ministers from 10 south east asian countries made in the capital chicago running through the region. a major fault lines of disputes between the east and west. the arrival of top diplomats from china, russia, and the u. s underlying the importance of the region and its potential flash points tie, one north korea, roches more in ukraine, territorial disputes in the south china sea to name just a few, so as, as in risk of being used by more powerful countries. we'll be discussing all of actin audience what a role in world affairs without guests. but 1st, jessica washington reports from the regional for him in the indonesian capital. it's been a week of intense diplomacy. see here in chicago, top,

diplomats from around the world, coming to your contracts, force talks with the ozzy on counter tops and us secretary of state antony, blinking russians foreign minister. so a lot of rules and china is top diplomatic one e o in town for these discussions, as well as the foreign ministers from a string of other countries, australia, india, the u. k. south korea, and even representation from north korea. north korea's ambassador to indonesia sitting in on, on some of those meetings. now with such a diverse range of countries, it's no surprise that there are a diverse range of topics to complex, mostly focusing on security issues in the asia pacific. among the issues raised during this week of talks, a significant regional security issues. these include north korea's ballistic missile launches at the south china sea. the will in ukraine, which secretary blinking. rearrange is to resolve the on colleagues is causing direct home to people across the region, exacerbating food and energy crises. and of course the crisis in me and mel with

the escalation of violence unfolding the host nation. indonesia has emphasized the importance of keeping the region peaceful and stable. speaking with her on the on counterparts, phone, administer retinal. my suit, the stress, the need to keep the region peaceful, and that it cannot become a natural ground or proxy in grange power rivalry. the most pressing issue for the blog at this moment is the violence in the, in my and the deteriorating situation. the in the communicative as the on foreign ministers. they strongly condemned the continued acts of violence in me and ma, including strikes, artillery, shelling and the destruction of public facilities. and they urge all parties to take action to stop the violence. the meetings, comments don't silver, the effectiveness and credibility of the on blog continue to a much particularly as there are questions over the unity of the launch in facing

some of the regions. biggest challenges including chief among them, the crisis and unfolding violence in me and jessica washington in chicago through inside story. so what is in the association of southeast asia, nations was created in 1967 to stand against communism, but has evolved over the years by fostering trade, security, and other bilateral relations. it has a 10 members per night, cambodia, indonesia, louse, malaysia, the philippines, singapore, thailand, vietnam, and me and mom. they have a population of $662000000.00 and a combined gdp of $3.00 trillion dollars as in is potty to the largest free trade agreement in the world. the regional comprehensive economic partnership along with china, new zealand, australia, japan, and south korea. the alright,

let's bring in the outcasts in single pole jai and chung and associate professor of political science at the national university of single pool in washington dc. shelly, you are a senior visiting fellow at the london school of economics and in badging. i'm a tang and a senior fellow at the ty her institute a very well welcome to you all and thanks for joining us on the program. i'm. i'm going to start with you just how relevant is as in, on a global stage today. well, it's increasingly relevant because of its growth. if you look at all those, all industries in the band way way ahead of their part of this kind of larger china, asian of economic blog not only through our c p, but through the melting road initiative, which has been helping with the infrastructure and things like that so it's become kind of a area of interest of the united states. the u. s. has been involved of 10 years after us, you know, and was created, but it was always seen as

a strategic issue. now it's increasingly becoming economic. it has a very large trade, a surplus to the us, and a lot of the goods that were previously coming directly from china are actually now coming from ozzy on, states other intermediate goods that are made in china that and ship to ship there . but finish products are going out, so i cannot medically, politically, obviously, very relevant. surely do you agree is, as in, relevant today on a global stage? absolutely. ideally is the world of possibly most trying to show me economic superpower. it is today about 3.4 percent of the global g d p on domino terms so that it's about 3 quarters of the japanese economy by the economics they always expected to call to hold by 2040. and that will make it much larger than japan, you, nation in germany, your economy was actually also come inside the administration of china. she was born in albany out. and so the idea to solve is that make sure be both and exciting

. and i think it's fair to say that those low low road opportunities really lives in stop and southeast asia in the coming days and your reaction. so i think there's a common confusion between se, asia and i see on. so these are the countries who are members states of us the on certainly they have the economic attributes that will describe how they've been talking to us, you on as a corporate act as an organization. it's something you likes, unity, it has a lot of trouble trying to put initiatives across. i mean, in the description right at the front we, you know, we heard how present drug or we to this is us young chat. and then he just saying that, well, they don't want to be put in the position of major competition. well, the positions the sample quote uh, in the past that right, they don't want to do things. they have a lot of trouble to get put forward what they want. and this includes trying to deal with the unfolding crisis and me a month. yes, i want to break down all of those issues one by one throughout the program. but 1st of all, i guess my question to you in these then based on what you've just said,

what is the biggest challenge for the block? i think the biggest challenge right now is really a sound unity, the different member states. while they all brought the want, the economic gains they brought the wants, the ability, that is a lot of a lot more difference of how to achieve those ends. and you know, what might need to be sacrificed uh, what, what kinds of initiative needs to be taken. so the default sort of holding position is the sort of very positive sort of i, we don't want to choose sides. we don't want this, we don't want that that we're seeing right now. so that inability to put forward initiative to try to address whether it's the me and my issue, whether it's about trying to get the major powers on the same page. that i think is really what is a stumbling block for us down at this point in time. i know i noticed that you were shaking your head the so are you doing a great the biggest challenge for the block is managing these, escalating tensions,

potentially, between the us and china. while i, i don't think it's all sounds job to figure out how to get frustrated united states and china together. uh that is going to be a very separate conversation. i do agree that it is 10 members, and they don't really agree, but i think it's wrong to put this good kind of western gloss on this particular organization is a consensus organization not corporate. it's not like the un where you give them up votes and you can pass things. this is a, a group that has to sovereign states have to agree with each other. so they have been putting pressure on, on my mar, but they're not kicking them out. they're not putting, you know, big sanctions on them and things like this where they're trying to do is bring them back in the fold. i think with them in most asian countries. there's this feeling that you'll have to be patient that instead of tomorrow is another day and another day will follow that and things change invariably. so i don't think it's very useful to set deadlines and say, oh, you have to do this that. and the other thing,

these are solving countries and they have to be respected. and the summit has, can do you agree with that? and i really don't agree with that. i think the that may be the view from beijing, but you know, being does not have a monopoly on what is asian. right? so the aging, you know, the fact that what do i do uh, a cultural may not be a reflect reading of it. no, that's very i know i'm just going to interrupt me gentlemen, i'm just going to interrupt you that i'm going to let an finish what he has to say and then shirley can respond. and then i know you can respond to that, sir. and please go ahead, so like, i don't think it's, um, us, you on, you know, should, has any role in managing u. s. p. i c relations. that's something up to the major pauses, but it does have a role in putting forward his own saying this doesn't have to be putting forward a deadline. but it does need some sort of plan to have a, the 5 point consensus that really, you know, doesn't incentivized or distance that sense of eyes for that matter. but certain kinds of behavior is one of the reasons why we're seeing this bragging out of them

. you know, my situation, i mean that is the outcome. surely. did you want to respond? i agree that that you all faces boeing, the internal and external issues. so get it out of the on the east coast. we connect, it's crazy block inter trade and i t, i am slow, it's significantly higher than usual, joining it on their activities. so the most definitely nice to expand the internal trade investment enabled. these are free travel some further into way to regional supply chains. all of which will be crucial for success, but actually only, it's also not to be under as many made in the luxury called the are step agreements because of the argument. i'm assuming power, china, japan and korea, we're able to reach a free trade agreements, which otherwise would have been completely inconceivable. he meant about historical hostilities. and so i see on my list of private world again, not just because the get out of the way, you know, the lack of political cohesion or ideological would be just to use one another.

really kind of cool here in the aspiration for a call back soon as you're right. i know if i can just return to the me in my it should issue. do you think that the summit has moved the needle at all when it comes to this continuing crisis and me, i'm a no, i don't think they have, i mean, they, the situation in my mars is fairly intractable already. there's a lot of scrutiny of legal oil kind of trades that are going on there. there are people are taking advantage of the chaos once again to make money. but this idea that you know nothing has been accomplished by aussie on. i shouldn't say that that's overstating it, but look at what they have accomplished r c e p is the growth in obviously on is now the envy of the world. so this idea that you know, it doesn't function and there's something wrong with it and it has to adopt the kind of western value approach, which, you know, and in set deadlines,

i think is wrong. and, you know, obviously there's plenty of room to disagree. but you do have to look at the results and at this juncture, the results are pretty good. you can't just isolate my mar and say, look, you know, because they're not dealing with my mar the way you want them to. therefore it's a failure. you have to look at the entire picture right now. it looks pretty good. one of the other processing issues that was on the agenda was that easy on as the on rather in china, on thursday we offend their commitment to speed up negotiations on that long delayed code of conduct in the south china sea. and if i can ask you, why has this been dragged out and what impact is amy, will these code of conduct have on what happens in the south china say? so the code of conduct was initially put forward as a way perhaps to govern behavior on the south china sea to avoid a escalation, to avoid a tension is getting out of control. now what the situation has sort of developed

into i'm, this is one of the reasons why the negotiations has a have taken over a taken over what 20 years. now, the basic point is that there is doubt among us young members. and the degree of doubt will vary about whether china will keep to whatever commitments it makes. and conversely, if they are held to commitments. awesome members, that is that they may, they may be sort of over the hand in now on the, on the policy side as opposed to is concerned that you know, if you have sort of rules that try to limit what vision can do it may not. um, you know, it may not have, this are free, but freedom of action it wants especially as it seeks to pursue its claims in the south, tennessee. and also, i mean this is not like a just thought of what western thing you know, this view is, is coming from se, i'm the only person here on this panel from south. he said who, who engages us out on issues on a daily basis. so i think sometimes the perspective from outside of us the on can

be quite different from the perspective inside us young and perhaps our respect for how us your members actually look at the issues could be useful. and shirley, i'll take it over to you now. how important is ozzy in 4 nations like vietnam and the philippines, who have long been having these territory of the states with badging? how important is a, as the answer them a uh, very interesting uh if you notice, uh, recently with the escalating terms for you chasing between china and uh, these 2 i tell neighbors you just mentioned, i went to india and i'm recently and uh, if you look at the transportation minister from the not actually recently visited aging to our discounts are, are bringing chinese eyes be rated networks to vietnam. so the historical attention in a way between china and the neighboring countries has always been there. historically i, there is point gigi, stream of water shifting between china and be

a, now are, there were territorial disputes. and at some point in time, the, even the culture or how much of those. and so i think today the dominant, the discussion between china and these are the member countries in the store. well we, we cannot make it within the realm. and so if you were to look at the ongoing narrative, i don't think for, for the broader issue pacific region, it is going to be territory touring with these pieces that dominant. the ongoing knowledge. i mean the 21st century, i think it'll be because our prosperity to what was seen in in recent weeks. ray, some months, more military bases being built in the philippines and very public maritime displays on up. what are the implications of the us bursting? it's millet tree, my shorts, military lights is with us in memphis. obviously it's not welcome in beijing, but these are solver nations. they have the right to do that. the question is,

are they going to open themselves to up to some sort of, uh, you know, being involved as, uh, basically uh, jumping off points for uh, another war. i mean, uh, surely everyone in, uh, honestly, on, remembers what happened to vietnam and louse, cambodia. uh, even in south korea, on the earlier parts where those areas where it just basically used as a portable bases to support us troops. it didn't accomplish anything. south korea still an engine transmission. vietnam was lost and has found its own way. now i and, and not trying to step on it and you can see only i didn't realize he's spoken for, you know, the, i see on nations. i've had the privilege of knowing many of the ambassadors over the years from us, the on and also minister. so i, i, my perspective is perhaps skewed by the fact that what they've told me as opposed to what i've heard from him. and did you want to respond?

so, i mean, these are debates that we have it, i see on uh quite a bit. and the view on what you know, what, what you, how you look at us the on, in the past. you know that there's some debate over it. so for instance, cambodia lost in vietnam. take issue with the uh, the old asking on state steps. citing with beijing and washington, uh, uh, in against of you know, one of a to invited cambodia. but you know, that is also seen by the us and states that was sort of pocky to uh, to the supporting of the um, the cambodian coalition government that, you know, it help stabilize the region that it's helped create a situation where economic growth could happen. so uh on, on the issue of, uh, improving uh, military and other ties with various states. not this is not just the us a long standing view that a number of us have investments like old number boss. our members pay is that the more major power is getting involved in the region, having a stake in the region would encourage um, you know, more,

what encourage the space to, you know, take a stand to present. there we go, stability tenants on that stability that allows for prosperity to be built. so it's not that they cannot make this separate from the stability and the security. they are intellect in indonesia, as president said, as it should not become a platform for conflict or tool used by any nation. i want to move away slightly from the china us tensions. so why is russia that so this is precisely what i was talking about. those, this view that having more major power as having a stake in the region would be a good thing. so the view is that if you get russia in, uh, perhaps you know, it would have a stake as well. and on the other, on the flip side of it, um, one of the other things that i see on likes to us how we like to see itself is as a competing color, right? it has a way of bringing different access to go. this is a way that the organization uh, bring up the list itself and its importance, right?

so it provides a platform for the states with a dialogue partners with different interest, with different points of view to come and come together. not that they would agree, not that they would necessarily find a solution, but that they keep talking. and from that conversation, perhaps you know, ways what, what can be found, perhaps, pitfalls, such as the escalation can be avoided. so that's the point of inviting russia, even though i think i see on states, there is some variation on the degree which they own, which they support. rush as an invasion of your plan. surely oppose it for them. yes. surely could as empire roll. do you think in brokering pace in ukraine? training specifically by the broader ation that i'm making to gratian. i wouldn't be made to opt you out some potential power there. but again, not to respond to your question. normally we have to look at the fundamental you'd be sure about the 80, so collect to a talk and sees that democracies kingdom and the military governments. so the

common denominator for odd young and nations, a political mind, the alignment, and today i think uh, i don't want these guys are donations, will be signing with pitching was positive autocracy versus the mark c global narrative. and i doubted that i don't even be towards the risky china economically . and so again, because it's hard, my team is buried nature on political alignments. and what is most code trying to achieve bites attendance, do you think? no, well, they're not the barrier. it's called desperation. they've been cut off from the west effectively, so they can even use the banks. so they are looking to uh, open up uh, additional trade, single pores opposing them. um, and has made it very clear that uh, they're concerned about the us concerns and ukraine. that's their, their right. but they would like to have a local settlements in and settlements and local currencies. and the, you know,

it's just when you have nowhere else to go, you go to where things are. and right now obviously on is a hotspot, obviously there are opportunities for russia. they're thinking that because of the increased number of people that are expected there, that they will have to be more machinery, rushing machinery is a fairly inexpensive also they'll be energy needs. so they're looking at the opportunities long term, although their total trade right now is, is fairly mediocre. and how do you think as in showed, evolve going forward? what, what would we be discussing this time next year? and so, i mean, a lot of what happens at ease of firmness has meetings, is you know, it depends on what happens and the rest of, well, but i think i'll scan itself. if you look at the joint statement that was put off, it does uh, want to emphasize on strengthening the economy and economic cooperation, both within us young and outside of us young. it is also talking about ways to

improve and trust and coordination. and it is consensus based, but the, the, i think, i think still areas to be gained in terms of making coordination smooth. uh, getting us out to see things um, you know, uh on a so i'll be on the same page more quickly. so those are things i think that i see on you guys are currently grappling with this has come up time and time again and i think they will continue past indian indonesia chairmanship this you shall have the same questions here. i think so. well, position to, to capitalize on the best of both worlds of between now and perhaps the coming couple of days today, we're seeing our tools, the roads are largest economies increasingly moving their supply chains, manufacturing technology, and was a toddler pool to the region. the initiated the i p, i passed the pacific economic partnership, which terminal created the supply chain agreement. and the, with the ongoing are separate agreements which is due to bring to us closer to

continental your ration. and so we're seeing essentially, well in the world, do we have a region that are especially the garden of 2 largest of global economies at the same time? and so i think up to maximize the decision comic opportunity and to really develop a producer of supply chain that will continue to bring on across parity stabilizer, globally installation of the world that that'd be sexual and ana. well, i think i would go put the, put the nail on the head, which is going to, quite frankly, it's about security issues. and what i mean by that is outside entities trying to inject their agendas into the obviously, on area. now, i do agree that china has to be more creative than doing tit for tat with the great powers, like the united states or europe. they're going to have to figure out some way of getting around it. and you know, the south china sea issue is

a major one. if that works to be settled. alright, there would be, uh, i got a queen cooling down of the temperatures there because it would no longer be in place. any time by the us to try to insert itself militarily or for security reasons, would be rebuffed because it's a why we're not, we don't have any threats. why are you here? and i think would be a relief, a tremendous amount of touch and not only for china, but for also you on in the entire world. and just some final thoughts from you. we already have 10 minutes left of the program and then quickly to shirley. so i think uh, moving ahead on those are try so you should be good. i think in that case, if i try to i would agree to abide by on costs or something it's assigned and rectified. i think that would be a great move forward. i mean, one of the ways that we can look at that is to the other tool type. you know, a process that, you know, philippines have bought, that it had been ruled in favor of the philippines as one place to start um, to avoid using the sort of

a musket muscle that has on small active. so i think that would be very much appreciated. in this part of the world as well. shelly, to try to just the way the way that the all the non aggression tags all season on to be completed within 3 years or next. but in the past also proposes that the anal restricted talk for an activities and the presence in the, you know, getting the regional water. so i think it's going to be hard to huge and a heads up. but if we were to look at the job included made on some of the communication, it was stated that the p r c. challenge in for the security advisors. and it's interesting that we know that are interested as possible for security and before values. and we talk about we're talking about need to hear. so i think that really reflects a current understanding. ringback belief that you're coming, prosperity is a part of the broader national security narrative. and so it's really not just the military style, per se, the china and other regions. it is really the, you know,

the, the restrictions, the suppression short them into containment. as a chinese presents, she talked about that the china, shirley, thank you very much. i know you've got 30 seconds left for your final thoughts as well. you know, let, let's hope this works out. i mean, the issue here in obviously on is a lot of it is about the security issues, but i do think you have to respect what else you want has done. and how is it accomplished as we have talked about here. and i don't think that it's your, you're going to take this legalistic point of view where you can force other nations to do something. if that were true, the united states would not be there by definition, a rogue state because it breaks treaties and starts mores. and that's in violation of the you what kind of stuff you guys sabotaging the w t o. right now we need to build trust and that that is what is happening in southeast asia, is that there's the trust being built because they are cooperating. and i hopefully

that, that trustworthy the basis of finding peace in the region that allow, has surely has a prosperity for everybody. well, it's certainly a complex region with many moving parts and we appreciate all your thoughts on this and your analysis. it's been a fascinating conversation. thank you to jot in chung, associate professor of political science. surely you a senior visiting fellow and on a tank and a senior fellow at the ty her institutes institute. thank you. and thank you to for watching at home. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, which is 0. com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash i j inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is a inside story for me, emily anglin, and the whole team life in the

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