sees the french for forced to confront realities and demands for independence. and the 1st part of the documentary series out is there a looks at how the colonial unrest proved from set to note syria and full scale war and indo china plugged into his french t colonized nation on al jazeera. why has russia accepted the great deal broken by touch you president? other one says that he's hopeful if can be revived, the cracks of the getting to show in these countries relationships. so how much politics is a play here? and what does it mean for global food? supplies, this is inside story, the hello welcome to the program. i'm adrian said again when the grand export deal was

reached last year was hailed as a diplomatic breakthrough, a rare instance of cooperation between russia and ukraine. but now moscow says it's going to extend the agreement to you and secretary general has expressed disappointment over the decision and raised concerns. developing world could again, face rising food prices took a broker the original deal, and president, richard, the type of one says that he's hopeful it can be salvaged fast. trust in his role as a neutral mediator may not be as high as it once was. we'll bring it off panel in just a few moments, but 1st fits them on reports. this is the last chip to carry grain from ukraine under the black sea green initiative. russia has pulled out because it says its demands haven't been met. and kia hasn't acted in good faith to be able to see you with the credit. she's me more than what i see on there has been no progress here. and the key regime continues to use the cover of the open maritime card,

or to wage provocations and attacks against russian civilians and military objectives . issue against this backdrop, a decision was taken for us to exit the deal to suicide for a walk. the you inhaled the deal for benefiting developing countries by keeping global food prices down in enabled more than 30000000 tons of grain and other foods to safely leave ukraine through a car door across the black sea. without the agreement being restored, those exports will and russia is blake mailing the world. these blackmail affects the lives of millions of ukrainians and tens of millions more around the world. primarily in africa and asia, who face the threat of rising flood prices and hunger. turkey was instrumental in brokering the deal last year and present recipe type air to one was held as an international statesman for bridging a seemingly impossible gulf between russia and ukraine. you still believe the agreement can be salvaged? let's just say that i still know there. i believe my friend,

president boots and once this humanitarian bridge to continue in the meantime uh for administer will hold as meetings with discounts of thoughts. and i will meet with mr. booth. and as soon as i return from the trip, when we meet with him in our country in august, we will have the opportunity to discuss all these issues. we will also explore how we can act on paving the way for the shipment of russian grain and fertilizer. but everyone's claims to neutrality had been undermined. in recent weeks. these ukraine commanders were supposed to see out the warrant or key under a prisoner exchange deal with russia. instead aired water turned them to ukraine. russia called that a blatant violation of the deal and acute air. the want of caving into pressure from nato. turkey also dropped its objections to sweden joining nato. another move criticized by russia. the world powers are now searching for a way to revive the green deal and see what role if any turkey a my play bins monahan for inside story.

right, let's bring it out. guess for today's discussion from most go with joined by on the way back to one of the deputy chairman of the association of russian diplomats from istanbul with joined by leon. sorry, our time associate professor of international relations at istanbul. many a to university of washington dc. rich woodson, nonresident city, a fellow at the atlantic council into okay, and city, a fellow at the jamestown foundation of rome. welcome to audrey. let's start with you. president. other one says he believes the president putin wants the humanitarian bridge to continue. does he or is that wishful thinking on president other ones? pos. what's the view on this great deal in moscow? well, actually a beaver, rid of patients with a patient and the expert of expert. so that doesn't fit that issue. not criticizing

the minister of foreign affairs and the 11th of the ministers and the government for being patient too much. why? because the instead all for the is grand, do a good grand, do you have the double from the top of brought from all or the worst during the know or the show. and unfortunately, the united nations also what it is, why we are speaking about these double trouble. first of all, and uh, the pretext for the deal was the very necessity of helping the poor con, 3 effort and come through back only. uh, $92.00, uh, normally 3 percent of all of the green ver really came uh cuz it will come mean to the african states. instead of that, the majority of the 97 percent went to european countries and some of

the, the sick wanted to came to china. so this is referral. and the 2nd thought was that the deal had 2 aspects, one aspect. so the opportunity for the ukraine in the green to go for the market. and the 2nd part of the deal was the opportunity for the russian green comp, a comp approved. so we gave up opportunity for the sort to, to meet with you on of ukraine in brand to be exported to other countries, but 00 to on. overall sion made, you know, the crew up went anywhere the same was in the case of george eliza was, it was the consent of it all off utilized. that was the, we'll have the opportunity to be unblocked in the ports of the rest and try and finish and go to africa, end of the united states. okay. and uh,

but apparently one of these, uh, the amount of really had the opportunity to go with all this is the fraud. andre, who even fairly 3 percent of the grain actually got to african nations such as you, as you claim it, what it has done is keep the prices down so that the people who can't afford grain when the prices rise, people who need it most could still afford to 8 yes, but we've had conflicts with the african companies and perhaps we will have direct opportunities to export or green to these 2. these accomplish really the plan apply and some additional opportunities we've out of the frame burks of these do you of this the i told you that lee is the deal is the depth but then we are stopping and we are asking uh for the deeds not rush as because we have been

a bill of waiting for too long. so if the dates will be in the drums, if all aspects of will go if our fertilizer is billed all river literature on to the, to these 2, these deal. if not a little bit to him, i mean, it was always a political daily, it wasn't legally binding deal. if the political will to make it work is no longer that it falls a pos given that was it, was it always doomed to failure? regardless of what president owed, one said, or did or, or said here, how much of this failure is down to him. and well, actually yeah, i wouldn't call this as a failure or because it was, it hasn't been working for almost a month more than a year. and that's uh so, and it's still available. it's still on the table. although the russians a seems to be exist making an exit at the moment, they are just saying we are suspending it so it's not for sure,

100 percent and of the game. for this reason, i do believe that's turkey, as it may be to seal has a chance to make say agreements continue. but at the same time, especially off the last fixed tonight, the summit in which 13 seems to seems to be a little bit more on the west of size living it kind of clean night to sweetens a partnership with to the lines with me to aligns as i can say that turkey is not moving towards the west or towards is continuing this balancing policy. and for this reason i, i still think that's her case. position is very significant, both for europe, for, for the united states, as well as russia rush. i need searching, so she needs russia west needs, the russia and russian is the was. so it's a kind of complicated world to understand because we are talking as our exports. we

are talking about the same time the panel going to see context inside dependency in between all these state actors in the international system. and each one of these actors are actually bound to an other one. and this one to another one. for this reason, it's very complicated to tier one of these countries all can see that, well it's okay we, i'm not the listing we to any more. we have to work altogether, and this is about the he might have feasible to monetary and purposes. i mean, my point of view, we are seeing the ellison somehow in the room fighting against each other, but at the same time, most of the time we are forgetting about these unfortunate or who countries who are really in need. and they are being oppressed by the pressure that's being applied to find a good you're calling a bring rich, and it just some of the 1st to say then what i want to pick you up on, on 2 things that you said that about 1st of all, about the suspension and the fact that it could get up and running again. i mean,

experts are saying, but if it last longer, but a few days, it wouldn't be possible to get it up and running again and at the grace the green price is going to rise any way at all. so i wonder where the, i mean, you said you talked about turkey maintaining this, this balancing act. there were those who would say that, that's, that russia's financial re sign. this thing is a direct snob. the president of the one of the he has pivoted since his re election towards the west as well actually. i mean i, as i said i, i still believe that there was a chance for the agreement to continue. so is, yeah, it's, it seems to be a kind of reaction towards the west as well as cherokee, but it's the same time, i think that the friendship, the so called friendship. the close relationship between present are the one and president clinton is not something to be given now to be forgotten in only one

instance. so it has a strong relationship. they have direct contact with each other. and i think this is the valuable part of it. they have problems in the past, so can russia have many problems in a row for why we were in such a be cries that people in russia, we're talking about bone being the both sides of both forest and it's tumble. this is due to this jeff crisis, how they were, both countries shown the determine the state they showed the decision of the strong decision to continue their relationship. they were really keen on moving on a strong relationship for this reason. i don't think that's the relationship between putting on are the ones something that can be, you know, given up that's easily rich. thanks for being patient. us secretary of state and to be blinked and cool rushes move unconscionable saying that scrapping the deal with worse than food security for millions crimes. foreign minister said that russia is

black mailing the world. is he right? yeah, absolutely. adrian. it's good to be with you, and i also appreciate the, the previous speakers comments, look, a little history isn't ordered here. we don't have to look that far back to see that this is actually standard operating procedure for russia. anything that has to do with humanitarian equities or interest, they will absolutely threaten suspend and ring every construction out of that they can. when the original green deal, the black she initiated was negotiated. they did the same. if we look at the orange syria, every time that there is a un motion to approve another 6 months of food relief across international borders in the world, food program restaurant threatens to blackmail and, and just rarely or do rarely. because at the end of the day, for russia, there is no such thing as a truly humanitarian gesture. it all comes down to trying to get an additional construction on economic, military or political matters. so in this case,

they want to get a sanction lifted on their agricultural bank to get access back to the switch system. they would like to see is your imports into russia of agricultural repair goods and they want to see some of some goods on the frozen. so, i mean, look, it's not that big a surprise. it is, in fact the case know that they're willing to raise the price is in fact they may benefit from price is going up somewhat as they have with movements of the oil prices because their commodity export and country. so yeah, i think brush is more than happy to on the backs of a hungry consumers to go ahead and play these games in order to try to get concessions in the end. the deal is a good deal for russia because i disagree with the statistic that no russian grain has moved into the deal. i think we'll have to check that statistics and one last thing i'd like to be, but this idea that only 3 percent goes to africa, look a ton of more than a ton. a lot of this ukranian green goes to countries like turkey, but turn the grain into finished products into macaroni and things like that,

that then gets sent on to hungry countries in africa and elsewhere. so actually there's quite a significant deal in terms of helping developing countries. but i'm not surprised that russia is up to its old gym. rick, rich, russia, i had obstructed the proper operation of this deal for months, according to the case for an administer. and this then forms part of a white a strategy is as, as you see, it will, some of the west sanctions get sanctions against russia then have to be lifted up to in order to allow for the grain shipments. i bet certainly the russian goal, i think yours to get some sanctions relief. i think that cut the calculation and wash washington and brussels and elsewhere has to be this. how much leverage does russia actually have to stop the export of ukraine in grain anymore after the loss of snake islands and the sinking of several major russian vessels? i think that it's in question, it's in doubt where the rusher can actually stop at the export of grange. so it

would take something like a major naval escalation by russian to do that. if they say, look, we're not going to have the green under this deal, maybe it does drive up prices, but i don't think they can actually stop. and so the question for the west will be, can this mischief that russia is up to? can the impact on price is, is that worth the offset of allowing a little bit more important of agricultural equipment to a restaurant? loosening the sanctions and so much what the sanctions more are a moral signal than they are a crushing economic blow rusher has a still economic relations and trade with india, with china even with turkey. so the sections are not crippling. so the idea of giving some incremental relief is something that will be entertained by thinking the west. all right, what do you, what do you make of, what are you just heard that the suspended operating procedure for rush or what the it is mischief? what is it the prussia? once was russia, a position is not a career. we want the only, uh, the balance and the real fulfillment of the provisions. so they

could either do it speaking about the deal of everyone's picking about the other thing in the world. we're speaking about video, video of what was uh, the, uh, the uh, you know, the result to the negotiation process. we should get it to be so kind to over. oh well, you know, uh, do you have, it should 2 sites. as i told you, one side was who viewed this uh, the 2nd side was more appropriate. so we are now proposing for the wisdom go and push to fulfill their part of the story. they are part of the, of the, all the of the do you, unless this is set is find a view little lock to turn back to the deal. the majority of a special because the yesterday is a big gathering in the most or the full of the specialist who on these degree and international affairs. and so the majority of them said that perhaps it was uh uh, we were low re within pension, but it was

a mistake to make any deal with the rest and confidence on the present situation. and our contradictions are so accurate and the, the approaches are so different. uh well, i personally think that it was a good trial but results more absolute to instead of struck 3 and a v shoots have made these step a long time ago, 9 months ago when, after 3 months old, the of the trust of the 1st accomplishment of the deal, it was absolutely clear that we are facing a bit broad from the west and competition and also very and sufficient and very uh, uh, another good did you of the missed a good share, a good that is cool. i can see it or to as a diplomat, as the bus stop is the rust 2nd etheridge, and that only the history of the organization. it's a telling the western russia i've already begun to trade bob's about who is to

blame. is there any reason to cut russia some slight kid? does it have legitimate grievances and picking up from what owner it was saying that about about the un secretary general, how much leverage does the you and have here a what role should it be playing right now? well, in my point, a few uh yes, a rush on my feet somehow criticizing about united stations and it's a general secretary, this position, whether she is the or the organization is a neutral or not. but i think since the very beginning of life, turkey, united nations works and lots to make the st greenville work. and they've been, you know, in a, in a huge efforts to, to continue in every 2 or 3 months. they were in a very great effort to mack, especially as a russia to promote the agreement. and maybe they will do it again. but the my point of view, i think of especially off the last week,

sniffles summit. the end of the consolidation over there. russia is feeling much more pressurized and the western world is talking about saving new types of lessons to ukraine and there was a full ministers support. they are talking about cluster phones. and since the very beginning, so, you know, people were not sure about 2 koreans, me, the 3 positions, but up until now ukraine is still struggling enough to be defeated and it's there, it's strong and use it as a moral support from the west and the it's very or to my point of view, you queen has a moral spur your team this for. but at the same time, russia is feeling much more praise, arise politically and middle 3 from the west, and was for best ways that it has 2 cars. to play on. one is a box energy cost. it's energy crisis that it can create found the other one is full cries of the full cause that extends place. for this reason,

from time to time, it's using the energy card or the postcard to persuade the west to the least of the sanctions that are being applied on russia. pop up or offensive up onto know a d. c safe for them to succeed in that. i also believe that russia is simply not so bad regarding this economic style. those economies position is it despite the west and expectations. russia actually performed the run this evening goals and off is that despite the sanctions as are being applied over against it. but still, we are not talking about about the economy pressure. we are talking about ministry and political pressure versus being increased on russia, especially off the las vegas for this reason. i think the screen deal agreements the comes especially of the las vegas. somebody rich. what, what do you make of, what do you just to, well, you know, i,

i agree with what i learned it was saying and, and in the end of the, the green deal has the sort of symbolic value that out strips the my new show of implementation that our russian colleague has been discussing why? because it shows that ultimately when 2 sides are at war, they can still do things that are in global interest and mutual interest. it's the sort of medicaid and black and white view that we're either all at war or all at peace. some things are either, you know, we're trying to totally over throw the other country or were accepting everything they do, like russia, launched an offensive war against you, crane and is trying to wipe a shopper and country off the map that must be resisted. yet at the same time brush or have some legitimate interest in trade and certainly wants to get a screen to market. i think that was foreseen under the deal. i think that aspect is legitimate, but by trying to hold the deal hostage, rush essentially saying look, this one thing that could be the basis for further when, when talks, which by the way are gonna have to happen to some point everywhere,

inch. and normally they, they end with some sort of a compromise solution. i don't think anybody at this point expects either that peeve will totally collapse and be removed from the map or that the russian government will totally collapse as well. so then at some point they'll be negotiate a piece, or can you build that based on small steps of cooperation like this and the fact that the russians are trying to hold us hostage it's, it's a step backwards. okay? all right, we're almost out of time. so i need reasonably brief on this for you want me to get one more question each to, to all of you. andre presidents lensky says it should be possible to use the black sea, colorado without russia's agreement. if took care allows vessels through. is he right? i'm not quite sure. i think that this is, this will be a very dangerous. so a trial for says the for settling of the problem. i thing that uh the water conditions uh they are so well. um the rear wheel explorer together visa or the police including dorcas colleagues,

uh the opportunities or any other options uh on the side of the present present day. uh uh you know, these to green a deal, but uh, we ask uh oh, accomplish concerned to be cautious because we have had a serious about the necessity over save guarding our internet. so i mean with 3 all political economic input, as many people are, could you just sizing more school? oh god, what about to be too mild during the speed of periods of time? i think that the, the export of the export to the community also out of demanding from the government to be much, much store in the measure was a good case stuff to be up to him. so again, stuff. i mean, what are the prospect you think i know you said you were optimistic with this deal could be revived. i mean, is it going to come down to present or the other one? the, the wily political operator is eager to pull a rabbit from a house. well, from time to time,

he has been saying that sort of thing can guarantee some cold petrol, the vessels from ukraine through the, through the outside world in the black sea. so i think this might come to the table once again, and that's ok guarantee or to accuse, you know, that's really as an option. but i'm not sure about the russian answer actually. uh i, i do still, uh, i want to be optimistic still, and i do think that those are the ones still has a chance to persuade putting, especially because of mentoring and purposes was the 2 leaders possible highly possible meeting in assemble or i'll cut off next month is very significant to follow up. okay. i'm rich, i mean, you do share headings optimism that the, the best deal will eventually have to be done on that. i, again, i didn't get your thoughts way back to the beginning of the program. i'm on whether this, this russian site is a resign. this deal was actually a direct snob to present, or the other one it was, it was to, to,

to fire shelf across his palace for one of another words saying look at it which way a friend. so you don't the west. yeah, i think i think that was the secondary purpose, that the secondary purpose was to express displeasure with something that present or one clearly has had as an accomplishment he likes to talent as, as proof of statesmanship. but i have your primary purpose is to put pressure on sections. really. i know i've just done some quick research checking that russia exported a record amount of cereal grains last year. so clearly russia still able to get gets out. and the idea that somehow this deal has prejudiced the russian ability to export grain is just false. i do think ultimately because they make money from the grain and because it's a really a sort of a win win situation, they'll come back to the deal. it might be under a different name, but they will have some sort of motors within the, with the russians that allows you create in green out as well as russian grain. so i think, yes, the deal gets resumed after russia has had a temper tantrum. and after it's extracted or tried to extract some sort of stuff, sanctions for me. okay. that we must. anybody thanks and day to you. oh,

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