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surface. the 1st page is this um, process an individual receive assigned in the mail, letting them know the date and call for g reserves. the 2nd phase is called warranty or no history so much. this is a conversation to take place between the lawyers and the tests under to figure out who might be good for that. and we'll still use during the criminal trials in the united states, primarily as far checks and balances. we are able to assemble the file or 6 people on a jury, and they will sit and decide whether or not the cases brought by the government. use person is worthy of a condition or lee, i'm going to. so what is typically how jury's walk, but until 2020, in the state of oregon, louisiana, it was possible for just 10. your is not 12. did you select that? somebody was guilty of that person, then? did you present time?

so today on the stream, we are exploring the racist post. i'm present of non unanimous julie verdicts. i cannot do this by myself. that is why i have to mila and jason nick right here with us 2 minute please introduce yourself to the stream audience. get to see a good to see you. my name's jemila johnson. i am the managing attorney at the promise of justice initiative. and my job quite literally is to help the state of louisiana. figure out how to heal the injuries after more than a 120 years of jim crow law impacting azurie system. it's like a daddy hello, jason. please introduce yourself to have us watching around the world. i am jason williams. i'm a native newer manian and i was recently elected this past january as the district attorney of orleans parents to pop in a system that has been racist and sexist by design. i'm not good to have a hair on the screen. please introduce yourself to as us. yeah, i'm a criminal justice recorder in new orleans for the lens. we're nonprofit

investigative news room. and i recently produced a documentary along with those 0 fault lines. i'm not an industry convictions. oh, we're going to get into that in just a moment, but 1st let me tell you if you is, you're watching like that. if you're watching on youtube, use the comment section. that will be many things that you want to ask questions about. and you can do so right here, a big part of today show. let us just stop with the jim crow juries. me to me that can you on that phrase, what does that mean? effects are man. so after the civil war, more than half of the state of louisiana with black but white louisiana and were afraid of the shifting power. and so they put in a lot of mass, a lot of mechanisms to try to ensure supremacy of the white race. and in 1898, the state of louisiana had a constitutional convention. they brought the whole group of white legislators

together. and they found a number of different ways that they could explicitly put in place ways to, to injure black, louisiana, and to give power to white louisiana. and one way they said that was the jim crow jerry, where historically you would need 12 or a unanimous jury to convict someone. they want it to silence the voice of the black jurors and convicts more black people. so they made a rule that's, that is 10 people said you were guilty into said you were innocent, you were still going to go to prison a. jason. so i describe this as racism being built into the jury system in louisiana and in oregon was like over stating that case. no, no, absolutely not. far too long. our city in our state, i have been ground 0 for the unfairness of the criminal legal system for black and brown people. this was not an accident. this was not negligent. this was

a choice in the 1800s to silent certain voices on yours. and i want this office to send a very clear message that it is no longer a jim crow error office. on my laptop, i've got of the current 4 lines x i. that is running on now to see over right now the jim crow convictions. nick i, i want you to tell us the story of brandon jackson because this is not a c reca cool legal situation that we're talking about. realized that being impacted. what do we know about need to know about branding? so different and jackson was convicted of armed robbery in 1997 and his trial um, at his trial he was, he was convicted by a non unanimous jury. so 1010 people voted to convict him. and 2 people voted not to convict. so in any other state except for oregon, this would have resulted in a mist trial. and he would have had the right to

a new trial in louisiana that he was convicted. he was sentenced initially to life in prison, although no one was, was injured during this armed robbery. and that's ends of it was later reduced to 40 years, but he remains the prison now, you know, 25 years later. so that, that's sort of the, the, the short the short version of brandon story. yeah. i wanna bring in brandon jackson here because in the fort lines documentary that you worked without you 0 on a brendan, is interviewed while he is incarcerated. and this is how he tells his own story, have a listen, have a look. i don't, we would, they, there is a word that i can describe will have a feeling in between. if i, you know, and that i barely incarcerated something that i didn't. ready i mean there, we may have a word in the dictionary and i've been waking up like dad since 1996. i think about it all day. every day. of $49.00 now,

i'd be 50 december to 9. so us spend all of your young adult life and to now in, in prison you, you're basically, i grew up in prison based on just looking at my laptop with a headline supreme court rules. julie verdicts must be unanimous. why is this not the end of the story, jason? well, you know, and it doesn't address retro activity. and they're talking about what happens with cases that come from that ruling on. but they don't go back and look at and try to reckon with or begin repairing a 120 plus years of injustice. and that rich where activity is, is truly what must happen. i mean, brett kevin, and i'll describe this, this as a breeding pillar of jim crow. and when you look at just the,

the bodies and lots of the ruin, when there were at least one or 2 jurors who thought the person was innocent of the crime that was committed in one instance when you made a hudson. we exonerated him because of the alleged victim. in his case came portal after he heard about us starting this work and he said the crime never even was committed. he lied to his father, then called the police, and this man with the jail for an armed robbery that never even occurred. i mean, cases like germane, we represent a mr. hudson, we represent mr. jackson and our office brought the case to the us supreme court, that bound non unanimous jury verdicts to be unconstitutional. and i think all of our clients, if you'd ask any one of them or rashad green, who you're off is also brought home. if you ask them when the u. s. supreme court tells you a lot, i'm constitutional and tells you that it's a jim crow law that was based on racism. they expect that they would get some sort

of remedy and went to the district attorney and william, who was talking about here is that in retro activity in the united states, we don't always make sure that that happens. and we're hoping that at some point in time either for the legislature or through our court system, these folks will get it remedied. yeah, so yeah, brand new jackson is one of about 1500 of, of people who are still in prison on these not in industry convictions. and, and in the, because because the united states supreme court did not mandate retro activity for the state of the he is not entitled to a new new trial. now there are other ways to go about ensuring that he gets a new trial in the state legislature. they can pass the law which the jamila is, is actively working towards. but this last legislative session they,

they declined to do it. and then another way is if the district attorney in a specific parish decides that that they are independently going to go back and grant new trials to do for these people. and that's something that da williams has begun to do. and is, is a sort of in the process of reviewing this case and we can get in to the details of that, i'm sure. but in order to prepare for granted, jackson was convicted, the da is not doing that and has said that he it is his a post to a new topic, brendan. yeah, i've actually got a letter which i'll show you in just a moment, which the last it is, i just sent it to 4 or 4 times produce a jeremy young. it is impossible to speculate with any degree a search and see whether mister jackson's budget would have been any different, had the jewelry being charged with you, not, you're not an emergency. my office will not say tight a retry conviction, solely because of a non unanimous verdict. nick in this reporting that happened on the jim crow

convictions in 4 lines. we have from a black, george human to you about to say something, and then i'm going to a, from the black joy because it's the pressure of the she was my voice here and my doubts. but because you don't have to have full 12 come to the same decision jamila go ahead big. oh no. i mean in this exact situation, we do have a chair who says that you did not believe that brandon jackson is guilty. and so to have a response like that from the district attorneys that they, we don't know what could have been in the minds of these are, these are voted not guilty. we know what they voted for. and so the saying that you're not going to look at these convictions because you can't speculate as to why someone voted that guilty. they know they're not guilty because they didn't feel the state met its burden the item and i, let's hear that voice. here we go. this is the, the jura, one of 2 who wasn't convinced that brandon jackson was guilty. i said that they

knew what it was brand and they recognized mannerisms. no one was able to say enough to convince me that they were sure that it was they committed to robbery. you. did you express your point of view to the jurors? i'm sure at least late one. i mean they just missed it. and when they dismissed your concerns, how does that make you feel? i feel like okay, a voice my opinion. and i was hoping that maybe what i said is thinking of someone and made them think about it. if they changed your mind, even if they, they alone in the dining room, but from the verdict that did not happen. so jason, on youtube drift says, this is common as you thing to okay. jim crow never really went away. what to push back your thoughts about that and how are you trying to make sure that the pos is

not being repeated in the presence as well, is absolutely right. racism and sexism for that matter really found very fertile land here in this. so i know that, you know, the rest of the country uh, outside of oregon, realize that and we're talking about you damaged years today, but that is just one example of how racism is baked into the system. there are a number of other situations and circumstances in which people have ever had a promises broken in terms of play deals, folks notice can sixers or or the forgotten then there's the over use of very visual vendor law and predominately black parishes. so he is absolutely right. uh, the racism and sexism is in the system by design. it is designed that there is a protection and, and service to one demographic and controlling over policing,

and olga prosecuting for another demographic. this is, it is very american, but it is up to us to begin to address it rec, and with it and dismantle it and make it fair. i want to bring in the voice of glen davis into this conversation because this is not a hopeless conversation. knows what that is being done right now. so glenn davis is an excellent array and he told us this story just a few hours ago. have a look, have a listen. i won't be arrested in august of 1992 on charles. we were an automatic to close a yearly config, certainly remember 599 and is your zoning consistence. the blacks the only 2 black women on. ready me and now for a can tool right of the life in prison and

a all the possibility of the road races a suspension is that we were exonerated. and this was project new orleans took on our case like using the lower to the feet below that. what else, what tools do you have? yeah, i mean, i think what's been happening in louisiana in the last year is pretty unheard of. so we put together a group of lawyers in our office from joseph initiative, but also $780.00 volunteer lawyers from law firms from seattle to singapore. and we said we were going to find each of these people with a non union and mr. a verdict and we were going to file for them and they may not have had lawyers for years and years and years before. but we weren't gonna find a way to get them a lawyer and, and get some files. and i'm the 1500 men and women who we believe have now i mean and mr. emergencies. jim crow, jerry bird,

x and louisiana. we were able to represent 1049 of them. and that is a huge undertaking in a way to create that voice and to create that change. but ultimately what we're seeing now is there has to be more, there has to be more people involved in this. and that's for legislative change who really makes the difference. and then having a district attorney like district attorney williams, who was willing to not only campaign on this, but then turn around and start actually bringing home our clients and the people who are sitting in prison and had to watch the events unfold over the summer. 2020 and the the protests of our race. and then wonder where their protest was. nik i'm thinking about what's happening here was as an attempt to fix the wrongs of the past. how does your reporting? how does this um the jim crow convictions fort lawrenceville. how, where does that play and what difference will that make as well?

i mean, i think, you know, jimmy was just talking about the, the work that organization is doing. and the, and the, you know, tremendous, you know, a just volume of cases that they're dealing with. but you know, the reality is it's going to be a really uphill battle for, for the most organization. and for this is a men and women and in still in prison on split jury verdicts, you know, to the legislature, i think it is, is reluctant to, to go back and forth. of prosecutors to look at these cases. i the, there's an association of the district attorneys that is, has, has quite a bit of power and as opposed to that, um, the louisiana state. supreme court could also step in and do do something. but it seems as far as i can tell, i think, somewhat unlikely that that's gonna happen. and so, and so far the williams is,

is really the only a prosecutor in this, in the state to, to take this on it. there's, there's another, a prostitute who's, who's um, you know, looking at some cases it seems slightly more selectively. um so, so how exactly these individuals still in prison on this law are going to get the new, you know, get a new trial or, or get some, some remedies. i think i, you know, i think it's going to be hard and, and they, you know, i think even if you're renting a car, how the grow it. it's is it? yes indeed. um, but i just, i just think that the challenges are, are definitely great. and i, well, the point the point being is that brandon jackson's case i think is, is a representative of that. you know, there, there are certainly people coming home but, but, but brandon are mentioned present and, and,

and as it relates to be seen whether or not he'll, he'll get an oh i can remains to be seen that sort of this an awful, awful phrase to he's over somebody, he's been in costa waiting for so long. all right, so a very pointed question, jason, i'm putting the very pointed question to you for one of our peers watching right now has the new orleans da. jason addressed to jim crow convictions. if not, what's the holdup so that we have not we, we, we develop the civil rights division within our office to go through all of them. we, we, and we're still working through that process because it, it would be a, a compound and tragedy. uh, for example, if we had pushed mister germain hudson into a plea deal to just get him out of jail for a crime and he did not commit even worse for a crime that never even occurred. so we are review. ready and all of these cases, but we're reviewing them for wrongful convictions. and not just assuming that

a person was guilty of what to piggyback or what nicholas say, i am absolutely convinced and you have glass half full glass, half empty. yeah, i am very happy to have her glass. it'd be very happy to be able to build off of the work that promised started. i'm convinced that this work will be catalytic. i think that once the human mind is stretched, it doesn't revert back to its original form or its own way of thinking. and i think we not, not just we, in this office, but there the big we, p j i in other strong organizations that helped change the law. and bring this to a vote in journalist like nick, who care about telling, complete historically accurate new stories. this is what's very, quite literally changing the dynamics of the debate about what it means to rec, and with the past and right incomes from the sins of the past. it's a larger effort been just from the legal, the criminal legal system. it's

a larger ever than just me or promise, but we've got to change the culture and the thinking of the public. and i think it's starting to happen. nick mention da stewart incatel paris beginning to review some of these cases, whether he looks at 2 or 3 to start off. i am convention i think jamila, what would agree with this once he looks and sees what is happening, we pills into that. i it's, it's going to want to make him look even more and those are the only 2 days in the state of louisiana who are looking at these cases. we have conversations about once every, for every 2 weeks now with a new da when we walk through the cases in their jurisdiction and try to create a mechanism that either parallels what, what orleans perish is doing by looking at all of the cases or really have the conversation about what is, what specifically can be done in their jurisdiction. so we're seeing that we're seeing growth across the state, but not fast enough. and that not enough of the recognition that these folks were

convicted unconstitutionally and took it really in the remedy for that should be a new try. unlikely like any say it just name somebody if i'm paying i usually have support with which what about $1500.00 cases that could be created in a yeah. a couple of me age jamila said something uh with nicholas dog and she said it's hard. everything's hard in this work. that's true. you need man and woman power. you need resources. yeah. easy. i need more resources, diesel. the smaller da's offices need resources. that's why we need legislators to fund this work. yeah, we need to change the law. i didn't have to do this, it could be the parole board. so some of the problem is logistics is like, do we have enough pass and power? do we have enough money to get this done? do we have enough resources to do re trials? so some of it is logistics, and meanwhile people stop in prison because logistics are writing the wrongs the cost of complicated or hard. this to me that says to me, i need your,

your legal brain from i would here in a sentence ramos versus louisiana. yes, ramos versus louisiana found jim crow jerry's to be unconstitutional the mystery verdicts. all right, so that is a beautiful set up. thank you. to me. that's so professor kaplan, who was talking about revisiting these cases, re a revisited them to see if you can actually just right the wrongs who she is here in oregon, the only other state besides louisiana that had 19 and a mysteries until 2020. when the united states supreme court ruled them unconstitutional, has hundreds of people behind bars based on non unanimous jury convictions. our supreme court will be addressing the issue in 2022, but in the meantime, the best way to get help and release. and just ask for the people behind bars is

to pass a law here in oregon and our state legislature that would provide red show activity under ramos versus louisiana. so guess i just want to chevy. some of the thoughts for my view is who are watching on youtube right now. this is so sad and disgusting, and my case still on justin convictions against black people. and then another one here. this is hot breaking. thank you so much for showing your work. jason nick jamila. you want to find out more about the jim crow convictions. i can highly recommend the common episode. all 49 scope of jim crow conflictions is on line right now. just gonna move this up a little bit so you can see more about this film and what check i've online on algae 0. thank you so much for being part of today. show really appreciate you jamila, jason, nick. i will be following your work very closely on youtube. thank you so much for being part of today's program. the incisive questions and comments. i will see you

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