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the hello welcome to the back of the hill rahman dispute. so the west and so how have raged for decades? where okay, claims it as its own, but all groups banks, biology area want independence. but right, no meant to maybe all morocco side is route has joined us in recognizing its claim and is hoping more countries will follow. we'll pull this to a pallet in just a few moments, but the sister pulled from fence and bought a within this desert of more than a quarter of a 1000000 square kilometers, live valuable mineral resources. but the western sahara is contested. morocco says it's part of its territory. that's disputed by the pos, are you front? an arm group fighting for independence. morocco's claim isn't widely recognized,

but that may be changing. morocco restored relations with israel in 2020, and that's been cemented vitality. recognizing its rule over western sahara, the move was overseen by the trumpet ministration that also granted us recognition of morocco's claim at the same time. it was the 1st country to do so. reversing decades, a policy morocco held it as a major breakthrough session of hostilities levity case. each of his question is confirms historic and important decisions the case of american desert and the us acknowledgement that it is part of moroccan lens. and the developments in the middle east and re establishing relations between morocco and israel. time you know, yet t on the other side, because the pulse are you front, backed by neighboring algeria. they for the worth morocco, for more than a decade that ended the cease fire. in 1991 un troops were deployed to keep the

peace until a referendum of the reach of the future. but it was never held for all who believes laments of is on its side 28 states instead of consulates in western so hard and cities, actions brokers these a support for its position, spain and other european countries, also back to plan for western so hard to eval ptolemy under moroccan rule. another shift assembly is in morocco's favor. the status of western sahara is far from decided, but with israel and the us backing is position morocco was hoping more countries will do the same. a sense and monahan for inside story. so let's bring it all guess. will this edition of inside story in regard to as of the my, like the law we, the president of the american institute of strategic intelligence as a think tank in london is you'll see medical bug associates tell it with the middle east and north africa program at chatham house, and then bustles is jewel malay huh. advocacy head of the collective of said,

all we human rights defenders, adult profit organization gentlemen, welcome to inside story. can i just begin with you, mr. allow me a little k y has this route to using decided on this position to recognize weston hara right now. and also i'd thanks for having me. i think this is a logical continuum of the resuming of diplomatic relationship between morocco and israel in 2020. and we have to say that morocco has a specificity, it's the only our country that has around $600000.00 american jews, live in israel. many of which a lot of them were waiting for the decision because some of them come from this to her very natural image. so this is a logical decision that is dictated by joe police extended, knew that and i me think about the reservation. okay, let me, uh, cause i have to, you'll see a nickel bag in london. i mean, it's rather than city,

tennessee was that that it was 3 years since it signed formally they would it be abraham a codes recognition of each other. i mean, what was as well waiting for as well. i think it is. i wanted to see what the rest of the international community is doing. obviously, back then do not to the states recognize that that was as, as, as fault of the full small call. but in many cases, this is a is trying to delay things. it's my, it's the b plus cost of what they might only $28.00 countries. and so far recognize the, since it's as there's been a to tomorrow. cool. but i think, you know, is what i mean is a state of flux, it's easier to actually to get something out to fault the government, the things that is, is best for its full time achievements. it didn't, can, it didn't come so a completely free full market because it's that what comes of safety is an upgrades of the diplomatic relations obligating, the commodity commission,

building to an embassy. so there is some div and take this and it's in the call you, this is what it means. also some, some diplomatic achievements. indeed, it will be looking at the ministry connection a little bit later in the conversation. that's cool. save it too. but you may how you've heard what the base of the about like uh, you'll see hard to say, i mean, the move itself by israel could be viewed as antagonistic by both depaula, sorry, a front and algeria. i mean, it's the thing to pull to full autonomy of the region. what sort of reaction do you think? can we expect from the public, sorry, a front and in the hours ahead from algeria on the side of the action was already made public. so a statement, i think we need to, to highlight here that the combination of from, from, from, is that which is also

a no good point. and state for the part is a part of starting a commission from, from i know compiled to, to morocco for it's a digital condition. was this a how that is absolutely nothing to city, but it's in here. um, uh, to be so this to, to, to, to do just to make any legal presence that has been proven throughout the process of the conversation, the process within the united nations and all of the solutions that has been confirmed and over and over again the that the right to sign on to says it's in the nation on this the, how the people as an obligation, i don't think actually way or pass to difficult the conversational spot. the question was to us, as well as, as controlled by, by constituents goes to go to the routing. so they'll appear in court of justice that has been actually confirmed. the worker has the know submitted to her wisdom. so her knowledge kind of the team does administered empower the status of the

domains with spain and remains unsustainable under under international law. and they said it was initial came exactly and the same day the that the pm fleet, a list of listed wisdom. so how it works is after the fishes partnership agreements protocol came to an end with no, with the inside. so it's, it's, it's extension. so i think it is a cover up for that and we don't see it really as, as a victoria for more cool. so should, when, when it says it goes to where the west village of the world can people into the main. they may as, of course, just as much as i can, because i want to just jump in because we, we've obviously got your sort of sense. we want to try and, you know, get debates across the, all the 3 of you, the 3 of i guess the old inside story of the amount excited about to you. it's into a box. i mean, obviously, you know, the various points of view about how the situation is unfolding and how the various groups and governments together react to this for decades. so, you know,

we've seen we've, we've seen the question, but it actually is coming for decades. so we've tended to see confrontation in the area, no outright violence or a but fighting us. we've seen it ensued on in recent weeks and months, but described as a low level intensity. i mean, to think that this low level confrontation will be heightened tensions will be heightened we, we are in danger of a conflict in any shape or full. well, the view from or above is that it is very much improbable that we would have an escalation. but if we've been on bath, we have to understand history and we have to understand and as much as i'm interested in conspiracy theories of the drug by a jury and diplomacy, we have to state to state very simple site. there is a big part of the, in the world today, the whole international communities screaming and shouting about separatism in your career. but yes,

part of this international community is that on to the bulk record, nice thing, the legitimate rights of rock over the sobriety of her in the local. we are peace brokers. we are agents of union. and if we are to jewell completely, the power of the, it's very simple. i'm, i think that the parties are your friends a, which is a, during the movement, the accounts for 6 or 7 percent of the thoughts, the hateful population that is with an eye by the i'm here and redeem which is having a rivalry with morocco is very much like the wagner roofing rustic, it's a miniature apart. i mean that the root system that is used by an impact when it's the country to use their internal problems and to the fuel their internal problems . so i don't think the excavation, they charge you are outside the back of the escalation, but so to me all the political funds, if we just go back to august 2022 or about recalled back to the tennessee, the bassett. a football g is when there was an investment conference being hosted

by o g is and they invited the head of the public. sorry, a friend to abraham donnelly. i mean, you say you'll piece bro cuz, but you're again, you are also very sensitive to the regional newsman, solve the problem, sorry upfront and who they need to do, they times of a certainty. but let's take a look at the very iconic image and, and i'm happy that i'm speaking about this on, on the 0, the only our country that was able to have crowds, she or friends national team in palestine. and israel is morocco and we have a specificity is that we recognize our jewish heritage and we recognize our berber heritage by the constitution. which is very different from what julia is doing, which is backing emitted to remove men and not not recognizing the rights of the river population in old syria. so we have this brokers, but we do not accept the countries with our allies that are in the same regional space. our middling with the we've been our internal aspect on the internal affairs

and they really come on ground now and rolling support for the american preposition . of large autonomy, which is a form of self determination. it hasn't been backed by united states as you said, but it is by no by saying it is, but like germany, this is this sense of history. we cannot have a double standard, a standard for ukraine, and must have the same standards from records. okay, that's good. so you'll see medical, they go into it cuz obviously, you know, we're all cavities heddrick, it's pet spa getting place that to israel. so this confirmation by telling me that the west is harmless, actually helps that arguments on the international front. does it help with the traction further afield? i mean, is it a fair assessment that by you might see a lighting you'll, you'll post next to, to kind of easy to it will get more support on the international front. is that how you would perhaps analyze the politic right now of the thing to say something

before that? because it's interesting, we say something which that is on the months, the ability to and conflicts in the international arena. we see this kind of conflicts up and in this in place, you know, whether this ahead you know, the case. so for woodson, so even if in other places that the conflicts of you know, fest for a long time to become adults and the continued to create attention not only for instance, what happened between 40 so even more about this. so we for the, we, for just so the entire region is protecting to this because the moment can, isn't in order to resolve it, which brings me to your question. yes, you, it, when you're in this situation, that's what he's looking for lies. so whether there's that for the seller, we're for julia model, cool. we've state the united states and, and, and, and, and these live. and again, we need to look at the historic talk to the relations between isn't involved, even though we file diplomatic relations multiple voices has too much to initiate

the piece of negotiation with egypt. back in the 19 seventy's visits unofficial wasn't even sick of the book. she ation diplomatic engagement when the whole coordinates of going on for, for very long time. what's happened with the cult with specifically with small cool is basically formalizing relations that exist even then the other thoughts about the head by insights we fed with the minute the thoughts in, in, in the west and so. so in this sense, it's similar to us. so what happened to be the lead, a sense that that was what happened without bombing cold is formalizing making these, you know, legitimizing and normalizing conditions that to a certain extent before. and then based on this relationship. okay, well then let me ask about you be in brussels, i mean they feed a barrel coats is getting close, obviously to israel and vice versa. they're not. the only is what makes misleading

country deference at arabic country as well. we've got egypt. uh, as mentioned, jordan, you a bar ain't even turkey. they will have diplomatic relations with tell of these different levels. do you think you'll, you'll be paula. sorry upfront and it's supporters of the countries that do acknowledge it at the moment. anyhow, jerry, a, a on the side of a losing battle here, trying to get such a, the pull it positive politics salt is as well. well, i don't, i don't see it that way. to be honest, when we look at other countries, we'll have normalized stars with desire that's has been and, and in most cases based on on the 12th or analysis and what's, what's best for the and us and the people when it comes to, to morocco. it was up to, up to you a bargain in operation actually in the black markets region was to hire for palestine. and here a food in georgia, you, the,

on the police side of the city is very comfortable position because they have to be consistent in the position toward all, all the causes from the sense of how it are to palestine from east timor police and so on. but but, but morocco here is this, is this facing serious question that to the cloud cloud expectations to get on people onto the, to washington community, what happens to, to ellipse coming to you that, that more. oh, cool. but besides what, what, what are the prices kitchen, or i guess what, uh, this of a condition came when it comes to a tooth and police to me is on the right would they, would they? uh, they click on eyes uh, just to the model was as it took a little capture sort of is that we have seen the military, i to show you coming to sure. but and, and the oxidative integration between both the genes basically give us the interactions that more coal is handing over that its its own national security

teachers that are looking for both. but with the, with the contribute, i don't think any that this has any impact and the impact plays basically in what the signing of font is a way to understand how the people is origin within this year, from the fee and costs of justice. and this would be a root in historical that will confirm, okay, one second, then they got it. it was how and the in the galaxy or more controls is and, and look at by to this is over since how much is to consult and the voters by involving other 1st parties would not be the right to take, especially when, when we compare. so when we look at the geo politics like no compared to this with ukraine, i think i think the international community, especially the westwood, would face a serious problem. whether it's going to come to facility and cost, incense, the and, and, and, and for the policies, when we, the option is going to turn the knob on the porch. and i'm just gonna jump into,

i guess i'm so ha, i'm just going to jump to that cuz i want to get this to bog down into ukraine. issue, which i also appreciate. uh, there are similarities or could be in the future. we would really want to keep it to, to what scale down of domestic law we, i mean just becoming closer to as well distance rough code from just sort of the logic is logic. well, does a great deal of tension between israel and of the listed in countries that are very supportive of the palestinian calls and the right to state utility. we call to ignore it. it's happening on a daily basis. janine was a classic example of what we've seen over the last few weeks, which is a shocked millions who seen those pictures walters, morocco's strategy in dealing with tell it the when it comes to the palace, the news, your call to know the issue because you'll closely involved in the arab league and also in the organization of islamic states. i don't think that's not always ignoring at all the issue and the position of morocco under the leadership phase

mattress. cedar king has been crystal clear from day one in morocco. we believe in a 2 state solution. and his majesty the king is the chairman of what's committed. so every single american in bucks they are up and is giving bars of his revenue for the eclipse committee in order to rebuild the action porters of jerusalem. so this is something that is at the heart of the conversation in morocco, but we do believe that you cannot make peace and you cannot have a conversation with someone you don't speak to. it needs to tangle. it's a very personal thing for all americans were very much attention to probably city and calls the american govern. brent was very clear in condemning some of the attacks by big is right, and he's on the palestinians. but we are, as i said, also in a tradition of pres, based brokerage by morocco. it was the leadership phase, matters to the king who enabled the reopening of a very important the gate between jordan and uh and israel. so we do believe that

the promise you work and you know, as it is for policing and it's very important for americans to her. it's very important for americans. if i take a personal example, i come from us a highly somebody and i'm as more up in the of me g. so we have to stop opposing the fact that we can have diplomatic relationship with israel and asked them to tough questions and ask them to tough questions about palestine. and at the same time, we can support the policy and people. this is the american position, a position, a balance, and a position of moderation said you've got that cleared up. you'll see, michael, that's i come to you in london because the one thing that is very evident in his right, the politics right now is that's a democracy. can easily head back to the polls if the public cannot stop the and we've seen election after elections that me full over the last few years. g find

interesting, but the real co and its leadership has decided to cultivate a relationship with the military. also, then you might say the politicians, it's been an easy a conversation to have has we've seen these all themselves, which i'll talk about in a little while this military attack shay, who happens to be of the rocking to send a that you from heifer. how do you assess that connection and the strategy that rebecca has with telling me when it comes to you might say on sales, i think some people still don't recognize the depth of the constitution. the guy says he needs that. that gets the deepest that since the stablish ment of the company in 1948 and, and there is those in, if so the, which i think is deficient in, in differentiating conceptualizing between just a diplomatic solution, defined a steaming issue and military relations with,

with phase i see that it is a major supply or fourpence in which, you know, many companies would like to to purchase, especially when the state are full of conflicts. but at the same time, not recognizing go down and you're blind died, but they fight that by purchasing the sweat friends they, they supporting the country. this is all to find millions of people in the pricing their most basic human life. and i think it goes back to the previous speaker said yes, local says something, think about the policy and an issue, but the counselors that sign the agreement and we face that on the one hand, yes, we would like to see multiple federation and diploma relation, organization but we felt ignoring at the front as being an issue, a because it's more legal and b because it's going actually to home they'll, they'll all mean to those. and then i said the, the issue of that when it comes to so the supply or full fall and the items that i have to fill out. so i'm ready to tell them the blind dye. what does that mean?

what they'll be implication for this as long as a one makes a lot of money out of faith and that was guessing that kind of weapons that we would like to purchase. yeah, let's just give us a little bit of context about this because i made sure i live in the optimal mean times between morocco and israel has to be the sales that deals with hundreds of millions of dollars and give them a walk on access to high tech weapon rate. this includes but because of a tank and advanced piece of hardware that israel has never sold to another country before. also as well as sold a range of military drains that can be used for surveillance and precision. the types of these could prove useful in fighting on groups in western. so however, like the policy area front uh you'll see, let me just come back to you very quickly because obviously, you know, we talked about this military defense natasha and the grading of relations between tel aviv and rebecca to kind of show it to she's a from the home front command piece of literal can origin and is attached to the home for collab did hike the district?

it's a must a stroke, isn't it touch we have it is really of moroccan descent attached to the rocco, it brings those ties together. doesn't do it very, very easily. yeah. is not the only one to sales in the attic, certainly sending the whole cool way forward. seen in the oakland. this is obviously suspicious. is a beautiful things to see the re establishment of relations between hundreds of thousands of feet so that, that will bone in local or defend. and they'll say, perform for my uncle and, and, and, and, and local. there's something that so i think many people would like to see and that . so yeah, it's, it's sense always that i say seeing those to both countries. but again, as long as the looking at all sorts of issues, we felt think knowing that there is, there is the issue of occupation. there is the issue of, of, or, or the policy and an issue about treatment i have, it's a, bring you back in from brussels. i mean, how, what, right, do you think all the much wider level looking at the story, you know, regionally,

you saw jerry a going to be in your opinion with his right and you munitions on the border. so i think the opposite is being very clear on the point uh, considering it says as a direct and clear publication. so i'm from the more cosign uh, the wood. uh wood. uh wood. uh, basically contribute to the peace and stability in the region. i don't think so from the sides in talking about about the current, the current is lazy routine, basically it's a far right, extremely assessed machine and, and, and power and design and who is closer to them. eyes and the so called surveillance of, of listings to how and try and g extends or to extend its time with, with the more can achieve this is, this is absolutely not, not something to be proud of. let's, let's be clear that on the other hand, for, for this a, how is also the so how do we people, it is, it is to be,

to be mentioned that their faith is and then the galaxy on mobile and it's mobile inmates noble cause and of course believing and, and things and must be, you know, and the sentiment of rights that have been certified by the united nation chaucer. this cannot be, this cannot be defeated because no matter, no matter, no matter who to cook an ice, a new condition of try to a to give it to salt terminated tennessee. problem is not a good not to in fact it's on, on morocco itself, on the american people. and it's distributed to inside morocco. it. so what would be a good 2 to the, to distributed team workers. so other than 1010 being a for the to the neighboring countries. well, let me get back to over about between to the end of the program. a lot of come out very quickly. all we actually heading towards a sort of adult african caldwell, what we sort of got morocco, us israel on one side on the other side people,

algeria cozying up obviously to, to russia and rob these all concerns at the bow, but the strategist. so looking at as to what i'm seeing, whether this region could be in the hot spot as well. i think we're witnessing a global reconfiguration of alliances. and morocco is up with a new doctrine of multi polarity. we're, we're building alliances with a lot of new allies and when it comes to defense, we're not simply buying our arms. we're building a national industry of defense. we do a lot of the partners not on the his realm, but other countries as well. and the 2nd thing is that i don't know why nobody raises the question of both on june. i'm just buying weapons from a russian and has been for decades. and nobody's talking about that. it's the most armed country in the zone. and when it comes to morocco, i mean, we just stick to the fact, it's this, the blue country when it comes to institutions and we've come so much for economy

and the most vivid, unimportant industrial hub in the region. so i would say maybe there is a cold war, but there is one country on the rise, which is morocco. and there is a country that is dependent on instructive industry than or which is julia will see which country is making the winning best for its people. and for the stability of its country best suddenly we will have to leave it. i'm sure we'll continue to follow the story if i place the all the inside story for the moment. thank you to all of all gas of the like along we, that's the medical book on the back and you may have and thank you, of course for watching to you can see the program again any time by visiting our website that i'll just have adults called the further discussion go see on facebook page, that's facebook dot com forward slash h 8 inside story. you can also join the conversational twitter handle the areas at a inside story for makes it around the middle of the inside, so it saves thanks for your time. jacob, the

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