suitcase of sunshine and showers, plenty of sunshine. meanwhile, across the western gas of india with some wet weather. also now pushing into northern august the the killing of otc return to this shooting a block that was not an isolated event. it highlighted the whole question of press freedom and of turn to the skills while doing their job. they were certainly aiming in the direction that the terms of the 0 world looks at the number of journalists killed into occupied palestinian territories. and of the problems of holding anyone accountable for the patient doesn't want to prosecute a soldier shooting the messenger on which is 0. israel says it recognizes little k self warranty or the west and it's hard for us. it's an area also claimed by the promissory of front. what does this mean for the long running conflict in this region? and what with israel gets in with ton, this is inside story,

the hello welcome to the back of the heel. robin dispute. so, but west and so how have raged for decades, where, okay, claims that as its own a lot of groups, banks, biology, area want independence. but right now, the mentioned may be on the rocco side. israel has joined us in recognizing its claim and is hoping more countries will follow. we'll pull this to a panel in just a few moments, but 1st this report from fenton bought a. within this desert is more than a quarter of a 1000000 square kilometers, live valuable mineral resources. but the western sahara is contested. morocco says it's part of its territory. that's disputed by the pos, are you front? an arm group fighting for independence. morocco's claim isn't widely recognized,

but that may be changing. morocco restored relations with israel in 2020, and that's been cemented by toby, recognizing its rule over western sahara. the move was overseen by the trumpet ministration that also granted us recognition of morocco's claim. at the same time, it was the 1st country to do so. reversing decades, a policy morocco held it as a major breakthrough. some of the shots has to be a lot east every case. each of his question is confirms historic, unimportant decisions, the case of american desert, and the us acknowledgement that it is part of moroccan lens. some of the developments in the middle east and re establishing relations between morocco and israel. time you know yet t on the other side, because the pulse are you front, backed by neighboring algeria, before the war, morocco for more than a decade, that ended the cease fire. in 1991 un troops were deployed to keep the peace until

a referendum of the reach of the future. but it was never held. ralph, who believes the men so it is on its side 28 states, a set of conflicts in western sahara in cities, actions morocco's these, a support for its position. spain and other european countries have also back to plan for western so hard table. ptolemy, under moroccan rule, another shift assembly is in morocco's favor. the status of western sahara is far from decided, but with israel and the us backing is position morocco's, he'll be more countries, we'll do the same a sense and monahan for inside story the . so let's bring it all guess. will this additional the inside story in regard to a bill? my like that all we, the president of the american institute of strategic intelligence as a think tank in london, is you'll see medical bug associates sell it with the middle east and north africa program at chatham house. and then brussels is jewel malay huh. advocacy head of

the collective of said, all we human rights defenders, adult profit organization, gentlemen, welcome to inside story. can i just begin with you? mr. allow me a little k y has this route to using decided on this position to recognize weston's hara right now. hello. so i, thanks for having me. i think this is a logical continuum of the resuming of diplomatic relationship between morocco and israel in 2020. and we have to say that morocco has a specificity, the only our country that has around 600000 american jews, live in israel. many of which a lot of them were waiting for the decision because some of them come from this to her very naturally. so this is a logical decision that is dictated by joe politic. send a new that and i me think about the reservation. okay, let me call have to, you'll see nichol back in london. i mean, it's rather than city,

tennessee was that, that he was 3 years since it signed formally they would it be abraham a codes recognition of each other. i mean, what was his rel waiting for as well? i think it is. i wanted to see what the rest of the international community is doing. obviously back then, do not have the states recognize that that was as, as, as fault of full, full, small call. but in many cases this is a is trying to delay things. it's my, it's the be plus cost of what that in mind only $28.00 countries and so far recognize the saw as, as there's been a to tomorrow. cool. but i think, you know, is what i mean is a state of flux. it's easier to actually to get something out to fault the government, it seems that is, is best for its full so i'm achievements. it didn't come. it didn't come. so it completely free for market because it's that what comes of safety is an upgrade to all the diplomatic relations obligating, the commodity commission,

building to an embassy. so there is some div and take this and it's in the call you . this is what it means. also some, some diplomatic achievements. indeed, it will be looking at the ministry connection a little bit later in the conversation. let's call save it too much. you may how you've had walked to the base of the, about like, and you'll see how to say, i mean the move itself by israel could be viewed as antagonistic by both depaula. sorry, a front and dial jerry. i mean, it's the thing to pull to full autonomy of the region. what sort of reaction do you think? can we expect from the public, sorry, a front and in the hours ahead from algeria a well, i think the side of the reaction was on the made public. so a statement, i think when you to, to highlight here that the combination of from, from, from, is i had, which is also, i know good point and state for the client is

a part of starting a recognition from, from i look at files to, to more oh, cool for that. so do you google condition? was this a how that is absolutely nothing to city, but it's in here about uh uh, to be so this to, to, to, to do just to make any legal presence that has been proven throughout the process of the conversation, the process within the united nations and all the solutions that has been consuming over and over again, that the light is on 2 servants in the nation on the side of the people as an obligation, i don't think actually way or pass to difficult the conversational spot. the question was, since the us as well as, as control white by a consequence goes to go to the routing. so they'll appear in court of justice. that has been actually confirmed. the local husband know submitted to her wisdom. so huh. no, it's kind of the chain, the administering power,

the status of the domains with spain and remains unsustainable under the under international law. and they said it was initial came exactly in the same day the that the pm sleep, a list of listed wisdom. so how it works is often the fishes fucking to ship agreements. protocols came to an end with no, with the inside. so it's, it's, it's extension. so i think it is a cohort. i'll put that on and we don't see it really as, as a victoria for more cool, especially when, when it says it goes to where the children or can people into the main. they may as, of course, just as much as i can, because i want to just jump into it cuz we, we've obviously got your sort of sense we want to try and, you know, get debates across. so all the 3 of you, the 3 of all guess the inside story of the mother and i come back to you. it's in robots. i mean, obviously, you know, the various points of view about how the situation is unfolding and how the various groups and governments begin to react to this for decades. so, you know,

we've seen we've, we've seen this on the question, but it actually is coming for decades. so we've tended to see confrontation in the area, no outright violence or a but fighting us. we've seen it ensued on in recent weeks and months, but described as a low level intensity. i mean, to think that this low level confrontation will be heightened tensions will be heightened we, we are in danger of a conflict in any shape or full. well, the view from or above is that it is very much improbable that we would have an escalation. but if we've been on that, we have to understand history and we have to understand and as much as i'm interested in conspiracy theories of the drug by a jury and diplomacy, we have to state to state very simple site. there is a big part of the, in the world today, the whole international communities screaming and shouting about separatism in your career. but yes,

part of this international community is not that until the bulk recognizing the legitimate, the rights of rock over the sobriety of the her. in morocco, we are the brokers. we are agents of union. and if we are to jewell completely, the power of the, it's very simple. i'm, i think that the parties are your friends a, which is a, during the movement, the accounts for 6 or 7 percent of the thoughts that rate from uh, population. that is with an eye by the i'm here and redeem which is having a rivalry with morocco, is very much like the wagner roofing rustic. it's a miniature apart. i mean that the root system that is used by, in the country to use their internal problems and to the few of their internal problems. so i don't think the excavation, they charge your outside the bi escalation, but so to be able to political fund, if we just go back to august 2022 or about recalled back to the tennessee, the bassett. a football g is when there was an investment conference being hosted

by o g is and they invited the head of the pablo, sorry, a friend to abraham donnelly. i mean, you say you'll piece bro cuz, but you, you, you, again, you are also very sensitive to the regional newsman, solve the problem, sorry upfront and who they need to do, they times of a certainty. but let's take a look at the very iconic image and then i'm happy that i'm speaking about this on the 0. the only our country that was able to help crowds see are for a national team in palestine. and israel is morocco and we have a specificity is that we recognize our jewish heritage and we recognize our berber heritage by the constitution, which is very different from what i'm julia is doing, which is backing a minute to remove men and not not recognizing the rights of the river population in old syria. so we have this brokers, but we do not accept the countries with our allies that are in the same regional space. our middling would,

we've been our internal aspect on the internal affairs and they really come on ground now. and rolling support for the american preposition of large autonomy, which is a form of self determination. it has been backed by united states as you said, but it is back now by saying that is but by germany. this is this sense of history . we cannot have a double standard, a standard for ukraine and must have the same standards from records. okay, that's good. so you'll see medical bigger than that because obviously, you know, we're all cavities heddrick, it's pet spa getting place that to israel. so this confirmation by telling the vote western sahara certainly helps that arguments on the international front. does it help with attraction further afield? i mean, is it a fair assessment that by you might see a lighting you'll, you'll post next to, to tell of easy that it will get more support on the international front. is that how you would perhaps analyze the policy right now of the thing to say something

before that because it's interesting, we say something which that is on the months, the ability to and conflicts in the international arena received this kind of conflicts. and in this in place, you know, whether this ahead you know, the case. so for woodson, so even if in other places that the conflicts of you know, fest for low type of things become handled and the continued to create attention not only for instance, what happened between 40 so you are more about this. so we, for, we, for just say the entire agent is protecting to this because the moment can, isn't in order to resolve it, which brings me to your question. yes, you, it, when you're in this situation, that's what he's looking for lies. so whether is that for the seller, we're for julia model, cool. we've state the united states and, and, and, and, and he's a and, and again we need to look at the, he's totally tough. the relations between isn't involved, even though we file diplomatic relations multiple voices have to move to initiate

the piece negotiation with egypt. back in the 19 seventy's visits unofficial wasn't even sits in the book. she ation diplomatic engagement. when the whole coordinates of going on for, for very long time, what's happened with the code specifically, which moment cool is basically formalizing relations that exist even then the other thoughts about it has by insights. we fed with the minute the thoughts in, in, in the west and so, so in this sense, it's similar to us. so what happened to be the lead, a sense that there was what happened was that bottom cold is formalizing making these, you know, legitimizing and normalizing conditions that to a certain extent before. and then based on this relationship. okay, well then let me ask about you be in brussels, i mean they feed a barrel code is getting close, obviously to israel and vice versa. then not the only is what makes misleading

country diverse at arabic country as well. we've got egypt. as mentioned, jordan, you a ball, right, and even turkey they will have diplomatic relations with 10 of these different levels. do you think you'll, you'll be paula sorry upfront and it supporters of the countries that do acknowledge it at the moment. and the algae area a on the side of a losing battle here, trying to get such a the pull it positive politics, salt is as well. well, i don't, i don't see it that way. to be honest, when we look at other countries, will have normalized stars will desire that test speed. and in most cases, based on on the pro, for on the license and what's, what's best for the and us and the people when it comes to, to morocco. it was up to, up to you a bargain in operation that trade in the black markets region was the heart of palestine. and here a food in georgia, you the on the police side of you,

the city is very comfortable position because they have to be consistent in the position toward all, all the causes from the sense of how it are to palestine for at least 2 more police and so on, but, but, but morocco here is, this is, is facing serious question that require clarification as to what they don't depot onto the international community. what happens to, to ellipse coming to you that, that more cool, but besides what, what, what are the prices kids in august? what? uh, with this or condition came when it comes to a tooth and police to me is on the right. what day? what day? uh they took an ice uh just to the model was as it took a little, uh, country sort of is uh, we have seen the minutes of the odd shape coming to sure. but, and the oxidative integration between both machines basically give us the intestines that moral coal is handed over,

that its its own national security trays that are looking for both. but with the, with the contribute, i don't think any that this has any impact. and the impact plays basically in what the signing of font is a way to understand how people is a wage. and within this year, from the fee and costs of justice. and this would be a root in historical that will always confirm again, once again, then we got it. it was how and in the galaxy or more controls is and look at by to this is over since how much is to preserve the neighbors by involving other 1st parties would not be the right to take, specially when when we compare. so when we look at the, the geo politics like no compared to this with ukraine. i think i think the international community, especially the westwood would face a serious problem with it's going to come to the facility and, and constance and see and, and, and, and for the policy is when we, the option is going to join the publish it. i'm just gonna jump into, i just,

i'm so ha, i'm just gonna jump to that cuz i don't wanna get this to bog down into ukraine. issue, which i also appreciate. uh, there are similarities or could be in the future. we would really wanna keep it to, to what scale down a domestic allow we, i mean, just becoming closer to as well distance rough code from just sort of the logic is logic. well, there's a great deal of tension between israel and of the muslim countries that are very supportive of the palestinian calls and the right to states what we call to ignore it. it's happening on a daily basis. janine was a classic example of what we've seen over the last few weeks, which is a shocked millions who seen those pictures walters, morocco's strategy in dealing with telling me when it comes to the pilot studies, you call to know the issue because you'll closely involved in the arab league and also in the organization of islamic states. i don't think that's always ignoring go to all the issue and the position of morocco under the leadership phase mattress.

cedar king has been crystal clear from day one general call. we believe in a 2 state solution. and his majesty the king is the chairman of what's committed. so every single american and bucks they are, americans is giving bars of his revenue to the eclipse committee in order to rebuild the engine porters of jerusalem. so this is something that is at the heart of the conversation in morocco, but we do believe that you cannot make peace and you cannot have a conversation with someone who don't speak to it needs to, to tangle. it's a very personal thing for all americans were very much attention to body city and pause and the american gover. brent was very clear in condemning some of the attacks by the israelis on the palestinians. but we are, as i said, also in a tradition of priest based brokerage by morocco. it was the leadership as matters to the king who enabled the reopening of a very important the gate between jordan and uh,

as israel. so we do believe that the promise you work and you know, as it is for policing and is very important for americans to her, it's very important for americans. if i take a personal example, i come from us a highly somebody and i'm as more up in the of me g. so we have to stop opposing the fact that we kind of have diplomatic relationship with israel and ask them to tough questions and ask them to tough questions about palestine. and at the same time, we can support the policy and people. this is the american position, a position, a balance, and a position of the mother ration said you've got that cleared up. you'll see, michael, that's i come to you in london because the one thing that is very evident in his right, the politics right now is that's a democracy. can easily head back to the polls. if the public cannot stop the. and we've seen election after elections that me full over the last few years,

g find interesting, that morocco and its leadership has decided to cultivate a relationship with the military mall. so then you might say the politicians, it's been an easy a conversation to have has we've seen these on sales, which i'll talk about in a little while this military attack shay, who happens to be of the rocking to send a that you from hi. so how do you assess that connection and the strategy that rebecca has with telling me when it comes to you might say on sales? i think some people still don't recognize the depths of the constitution. the guy assessing is or that it's the deepest sense that there's published with the company in 1948 and, and they said those in if so, the, which i think is deficient in, in differentiating conceptualizing between just a diplomatic relationship, understanding issue and military relations with with phase i see that it is

a major supply or fourpence in which, you know, many companies would like to to purchase, especially when data in the state or false of conflicts. but at the same time, not recognizing role telling a blind eye, but they bite that by purchasing this weapons they, they supporting the country. this is all to find millions of people in the pricing that most basic human rights. and i think it goes back to the previous space and said, yes, an old cassette seth and thing about the policy and an issue. but the counselors that sign the agreement and we face that on the one hand, yes, we would like to see more cultivation and diploma relation organization. but we felt ignoring of the policy being an issue, a because it's more legal and b because it's going actually to home they'll, they'll all mean to those. and then it said that the issue of that when it comes to, to, to supply or full fall and the items that i have to fill out really. so i did so found

the blind dye. what does that mean? what the implication for this, as long as a, what makes a lot of money out of faith and that was getting their kind of weapons that they would like to purchase. yeah, let's just give us a little bit of context about this because the major element of the warming ties between the rocker and israel has to be the sales that deals with hundreds of millions of dollars and give them a walk on access to high tech weapon rate, this includes the call of a tank and advanced piece of hardware that israel has never sold to another country before. also as well as old a range of millet tree drones that can be used for surveillance and precision to types of these could prove useful in fighting on groups in west and so however, like the apollo, sorry you front. uh, you'll see let me just come back to you very quickly because obviously, you know, we talked about this military defense natasha and the grading of relations between tel aviv and rebecca to kind of showing it as she's a from the home front command. he's a literal can origin and is attached to the home for command in height. the

district is it must destroy it, isn't it touch we have it is really of moroccan descent attached to the rock. it brings those ties together. doesn't do very, very easily. the yeah, is not the only one to self in in, in the me i think certainly sending the whole cool way forward. seen in the oakland this is obviously suspicious. it's a beautiful things to see that. but the establishment of relations between hundreds of thousands of feet so that they were born in the gulf all defending the favorite from for my uncle and, and, and, and, and local. there's something that, so i think many people would like to see and that. so yeah, it's, it's sense always that i say seeking those to boss con, please. but again, as long as the looking goals, so to other issues, we felt think knowing that there is, there is the issue of occupation. there is the issue of, of over or define this thing. an issue about juma, le, let's a bring you back in from brussels. mean how, what, right. do you think all the much why to level of looking at the story, you know,

regionally or you saw jerry, you're going to be in your opinion with his right. and you munitions on the boat to go. i think the park being very clear on the point uh, considering it says as a direct and clear publication. so i'm from the more cosign. uh, uh, so it would uh, with uh, with uh, basically contribute to the piece and stability in the region. i don't think so from the other side in talking about about the current, the current is lazy routine, basically it's a far right, extremely assessed machine and, and, and power invisalign and who is closer to the bodies and the so called. so from an interval listings to how and trying to extend or to extend its time with, with the more can achieve this is, this is absolutely not, not something to be proud of. let's, let's be clear that on the other hand, for, for the so how is also the so how do we people, it is, it is to be,

to be mentioned that their faith is and then the galaxy on mobile and it's mobile inmates noble cause and of course believing and, and then to nice, you know, and the sentiment of rights that have been certified by the united nation chaucer. this cannot be, this cannot be defeated because no matter, no matter, no matter who to cook an ice, a new condition of tragedy as to give it to salt terminated tennessee. bo, this is not a good not to, in fact it's on, on morocco itself, on the moral can people. and it's distributed to inside morocco. it's what would be a good to, to the, to distributed team workers. so, other than, than, than being a, for the, to the neighboring countries. well, let me get back to over about between today and the program of the calabi very quickly. all we actually heading towards is sort of a north african caldwell. we've still got morocco, us israel, on one side,

on the other side. we've got all gerry cozying up, obviously, to, to russia and rob these all concerns at the bow, but the strategist, so looking at as to see whether this regions could be in the hot spot as well. i think we're witnessing a global reconfiguration of alliances and morocco is up with a new doctrine of multi polarity. we are rebuilding alliances with a lot of new allies. and when it comes to defense, we're not simply buying our arms. we're building a national industry of defense. we do a lot of the partners slot on the his realm with other countries as well. and the 2nd thing is that, i don't know why nobody raises the question of both on june. i'm just buying weapons from a russian and has been for decades and nobody's talking about it that it's the most armed country in the zone. and when it comes to morocco, i mean, we just stick to fuck, it's this, the blue country when it comes to institutions. and we've come so much for economy

and the most vivid, unimportant industrial hub in the region. so i would say maybe there is a cold war, but there is one country on the rise, which is morocco. and there is a country that is dependent on instructive industry then, or which is of julia will see which country is making the winning bed. or it's people and for the stability of its culture, suddenly we will have to leave it. i'm sure we'll continue to follow the story if i place the all the inside story for the moment. thank you to all of all gas of the like along we. that's the medical book on the back and you la and thank you, of course for watching to you can see the problem again. any time by visiting our website at all, just a dot com for the discussion. go see on facebook page. that's facebook dot com. forward slash h 8 inside story. you can also join the conversational twitter handle the areas at a inside story from excel, robin and all of the inside. so it saves thanks for your time. i checked on the

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