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the welcome to the back of the hill roman dispute. so, but west and so how have raged for decades were okay claims that as its own, a lot of groups, banks, biology area want independence. but right now the mentioned may be on morocco side . israel has joined us in recognizing its claim and is hoping more countries will follow. we'll pull this to a panel in just a few moments, but 1st this report from fenton bonham. within this desert is more than a quarter of a 1000000 square kilometers, live valuable mineral resources. but the western sahara is contested. morocco says it's part of its territory. that's disputed by the pos, are you front? an arm group fighting for independence. morocco's claim isn't widely recognized,

but that may be changing. morocco restored relations with israel in 2020, and that's been submitted by toby recognizing its rule over western sahara. the move was overseen by the trumpet ministration that also granted us recognition of morocco's claim. at the same time, it was the 1st country to do so. reversing decades of policy, morocco held it as a major breakthrough. some of the shots. hospitalized levity, q, c cha. his question is, confirms historic, unimportant decisions, the cases american desert, and the us acknowledgement that it is part of moroccan lens except the developments in the middle east and re establishing relations between morocco and israel tab and no yet t on the other side is the poll sorry, a front backed by neighboring algeria. they bought a worth morocco for more than a decade. that ended the cease fire in 1991. you and troops were deployed to keep

the peace until a referendum of the reach of the future. but it was never how far off it leaves, the mentor is on its side 28 states instead of conflicts in western so hard and cities actions brokers these a support for its position, spain and other european countries, also back to plan for western so hard tabel ptolemy, under moroccan rule, another shift assembly is in morocco's favor. the status of western sahara is far from decided, but with israel and the us backing is position morocco is hoping more countries will do the same, a sense and monahan for inside story the . so let's bring it all guess. will this additional, the inside story in regard to a bill my like that all we, the president of the american institute of strategic intelligence as a think tank in london, is you'll see medical bag associates sell it with the middle east and north africa program at chatham house and in brussels is matt and jewel malay huh. advocacy head

of the collective of said, all we human rights defenders, adult profit organization gentlemen, welcome to inside story. can i just begin with you, mr. allow me a little k y has this route to use thing decided on this position to recognize weston's hara right now. hello. so thanks for having me. i think this is a logical continuum of the resuming of diplomatic relationship between morocco and israel in 2020. and we have to say that morocco has a specificity, the only our country that has around 600000 american jews, live in israel. many of which a lot of them were waiting for the decision because some of them come from this to her very naturally. so this is a logical decision that is dictated by joe police. extend to new that and i me think about the reservation. okay, let me cause i've to, you'll see nickel bag in london. i mean it's rather than city, tennessee was that,

that he wants 3 years since it signed formally they would it be abraham a codes recognition of each other. i mean, what was his way of waiting for? as i said, caesar wanted to see what the rest of the international community is doing. obviously, back then do not. it states recognize that there was as, as, as file of. busy for small call, but in many cases is a, is trying to delay things that might be a bit less cost of what they might during the 28th countries. and so far recognize the since it's as there's been a lot of to tomorrow. cool. but i think, you know, is there is a state of flux, it's easier to actually to get something out to fault the government that things is, is best. but there's still some achievements if you can kind of so it completely free for market because it's that, that what comes of safety is an upgrade to all the diplomatic relations obligating,

the commodity commission, building to an embassy. so there is some div and take this and it's in the call you, this is what it means. also some, some diplomatic achievements. indeed, it will be looking at the ministry connection a little bit later in the conversation that's call save it too. but you may how you've heard what the base of the about like uh and you'll see how to say, i mean the move itself by israel could be viewed as antagonistic by both the apollo, sorry, a front and dial january. i mean, it's the thing to pull to a full autonomy of the region. what sort of reaction do you think? can we expect from the public, sorry, a front and in the hours ahead from algeria to the side of the auction was on the made public. so a statement, i think when you to, to highlight here that the combination of from, from, from, is i had, which is also, i know good point and state for the client is

a part of starting a recognition from, from i look at files to, to more oh, cool for that. so do you google condition? was this a how that is absolutely nothing to city, but it's in here about uh uh, to be so this to, to, to, to do just to make any legal presence that has been proven throughout the process of the conversation, the process within the united nations and all of the solutions that has been consuming over and over again that the right to say i want to says it's in the nation and how the people as an obligation, i don't think actually way or pass to difficult the conversational spot. the question was, since the us as well as, as control white by a consequence goes to go to the routing. so they'll appear in court of justice that has been actually confirmed. that also has no so going to her was since i know it's kind of the chain, the administering power,

the status of the domains with spain and remains unsustainable under the under international law. uh they said it was initially came exactly on the same day the that the fee and sleep a list of listed wisdom. so how it works is after the fish's partnership agreements protocol came to an end with no, with the inside. so it's, it's, it's extension. so i think it is a cohort i'll put that on and we don't see it really as, as a victoria for more cool. especially when, when it says it goes to where the west village of the world can people into the main. they may as, of course, just as much as i can, because i want to just jump into it cuz we, we've obviously got your sort of sense. we want to try and, you know, get debates across all of the 3 of you. the 3 of i guess the on inside storage of the month i come back to you. it's in robotics. i mean, obviously, you know, the various points of view about how the situation is unfolding and how the various groups and governments begin to react to this for decades. so, you know,

we've seen, we've, we've seen the question, but it actually is coming for decades. so we've tended to see confrontation in the area, no outright violence or a but fighting us. we've seen it ensued on in recent weeks and months, but described as a low level intensity. i mean, to think that this low level confrontation will be heightened tensions will be heightened we, we are in danger of a conflict in any shape or form. well, the view from or above is that it is very much improbable that we would have an escalation. but if we've been on that, we have to understand history and we have to understand and as much as i'm interested in conspiracy theories, the drug via agirri and diplomacy, we have to state to state very simple suck. there is a big part of books in the world today, the whole international communities screaming and shouting about separatism in your career. but yes,

part of this international community is not that until the bulk recognizing the legitimate, the rights of rock over the sobriety of the her. in morocco we are peace brokers. we are agents of union. and if we are to jewell completely the power of the, it's very simple magic that the parties are your friends a, which is a, during the movement. the accounts for 6 or 7 percent of the total is that right population. that is with an eye by the i'm here and redeem which is having a rivalry with morocco, is very much like the wagner roofing rustic. it's a miniature apart. i mean that the root system that is used by, in the country to use their internal problems and to the few of their internal problems. so i don't think the excavation, they do charge your outside the bi escalation, but so to be able to political fund, if we just go back to august 2022 or about recalled back to the tennessee, the bassett. a football g is when there was an investment conference being hosted

by o g is and they invited the head of the policy front to abraham donnelly. i mean, you say you'll piece bro cuz, but you're again, you are also very sensitive to the regional newsman. solve the public, sorry upfront, and who they need to do. they don't of a certainty, but let's take a look at the very iconic image. and then i'm happy that i'm speaking about this. on the other 0, the only our country that was able to have crowds see are for its national team in palestine. and israel is morocco and we have a specificity is that we recognize our jewish heritage and we recognize our berber heritage by the constitution, which is very different from what jerry a is doing, which is backing a minute to remove men and not not recognizing the rights of the river population in old syria. so we have this brokers, but we do not accept the countries with our allies that are in the same regional space. our middling with the we did our internal aspect on it internal affairs and

they really come on ground now. and rolling supports for the american preposition of large autonomy, which is a form of self determination. it has been backed by united states as you said, but it is back now by saying that is backed by germany. this is this sense of history. we cannot have a double standard, a standard for ukraine and must have the same standards from records. okay, that's good. so you'll see medical bigger than that because obviously, you know, we're all cavities heddrick, it's pet spa getting place that to israel. so this confirmation by telling the volt west is horace actually helps that arguments on the international front. does it help with the traction further afield? i mean, is it a fair assessment that by you might see a lighting you'll, you'll post next to to kind of easy to it will get more support on the international front. is that how you would perhaps analyze the politic right now to

say something before that? because it's interesting, we say something which studies undermines the ability to and conflicts in the international arena. we see this kind of conflicts and in this, in place, you know, whether this a heads you know, the case. so for woodson, so even if in other places that the conflicts of you know, festival for a long time to become an adult and the continued to create attention. not only for instance, what happened between 40 so you're more about this. so we, for, we, for just, so the entire region is protecting to this because the moment can, isn't, you know, the result of it, which brings me to your question. yes, you, it, when you go into a situation that's what he was looking for lies. so whether it's that 40, so we're for julia model, cool. we've state the united states and, and, and, and, and he's a and it's, and we need to look at the historic talk to the relations between isn't involved. even if we fall diplomatic relations multiple voices has too much to initiate the

piece of negotiation with egypt. back in the 19 seventy's visits unofficial wasn't even sits in the book. she ation diplomatic engagement. when the whole coordinates of going on for, for very long time. what's happened with the cold, with specifically with small cool is basically phone lies in good relations that exist even then the other thoughts about it had by insights, we fed with the mean if the thoughts in, in, in the west and so. so in the sense it's similar to us of what happened to be the lead, a sense that there was what happened was that bob called is formalizing making these, you know, legitimizing and normalizing collections that to a certain extent before. and then based on this relationship. okay, well then let me ask about you be in brussels, i mean they feed a barrel coats is getting close, obviously to israel and vice versa. then what do you need is what makes misleading

country diverse at arabic country as well? we've got egypt, as mentioned, jordan, you a ball, right? and even turkey they will have to magic relations with 10 of these different levels . do you think you'll you'll be paula. sorry, a front and it's supporters of the countries that do acknowledge it at the moment. and the algae area a on the side of a losing battle here, trying to get some of the pull it positive politics. salt is as well. well, i don't, i don't see it that way. to be honest, when we look at other countries, what have normalized stars will desire that test speed. and in most cases, based on on the pro, for on the license and what's, what's best for the, and us and the people when it comes to, to morocco. it was up to, up to you a bargain in operation that trade in the black markets region was the heart of palestine. and here a food in georgia, you the on the police side of you,

the city is very comfortable position because they have to be consistent in the position toward all, all the causes from the sense of how it are to palestine for at least 2 more police and so on, but, but, but morocco here is, this is, is facing serious question that require classifications to their own people onto the international community. what happens to, to ellipse coming to you that, that more. oh, cool. but besides what, what, what are the prices kitchen, or i guess what, uh, this of a condition came when it comes to a tooth and police seeing the is on the right would they, would they, uh, they took an eyes uh, adjusted the model cuz as it took a little, uh, carpet sort of is uh, we have seen the minutes of the odd shape coming to sure. but, and the oxidative integration between both machines basically give us the intestines that moral coal is handing over that its its own national security trays

that are looking for both. but with the, with the contribute, i don't think any that this has any impact. and the impact plays basically in what the signing of font is a way to understand how people is a wage. and within this year, from the fee and costs of justice. and this would be a root in historical that will always confirm again, once again, then we got it. it was how and in the galaxy or more controls is and, and look at by to this is over since how much is to provoke the neighbors by involving other 1st parties would not be the right to take, specially when, when we compare. so when we look at the, the geo politics like no compared to this with ukraine. i think i think the international community, especially the westwood would face a serious problem with it's going to come to the facility and, and constance and see and, and, and, and for the policy is when we, the option is going to join the publish it. i'm just gonna jump into i just,

i'm so ha, i'm just gonna jump to that cuz i don't wanna get this too bogged down in the ukraine issue, which i also appreciate. uh, there are similarities or could be in the future. we would really wanna keep it to, to what scale down of the amount of allow we, i mean, just becoming closer to as well distance rough code from some of the larger is lot make, well, does a great deal of tension between israel and of the listed in countries that are very supportive of the palestinian calls and the right to states what we call to ignore it. it's happening on a daily basis. janine was a classic example of what we've seen over the last few weeks, which is a shocked millions who seen those pictures walters, morocco's strategy in dealing with telling me when it comes to the pilot studies, you call to know the issue because you all closely involved in the arab league, and also in the organization of islamic states. i don't think the boys ignoring of all the issue and the position of morocco under the leadership phase mattress.

cedar king has been crystal clear from day one in denver. all cool. we've been even a 2 state solution. and his majesty the king is the chairman of what's committed so every single american and bucks they are moroccan is giving bars of his revenue for the eclipse committee in order to rebuild the engine porters of jerusalem. so this is something that is at the heart of the conversation in morocco, but we do believe that you cannot make peace and you cannot have a conversation with someone who don't speak to him. it needs to tangle. it's a very personal thing for all americans were very much attention to by the city and calls and the american govern rent was very clear in condemning some of the attacks by the israelis on the palestinians. but we are, as i said, also in a tradition of priest based brokerage by morocco. it was the leadership, his majesty the king, who enabled the reopening of a very important the gate between jordan and uh,

as israel. so we do believe that the promise you work and you know, as it is for policing and it's very important for americans to her. it's very important for americans. if i take a personal example, i come from us a highly somebody and i'm as more up in the of me g. so we have to stop opposing the fact that we kind of have diplomatic relationship with israel and ask them to tough questions and ask them to tough questions about palestine. and at the same time, we can support the policing and people. this is the american position, a position, a balance, and a position of the mother ration said you've got that cleared up. you'll see, michael, that's i come to you in london because the one thing that is very evident in his right, the politics right now is that's a democracy. can easily head back to the polls if the public are not happy. and we've seen election after elections that the full over the last few years g find

interesting that the roof co and its leadership as decided to cultivate a relationship with the military mall. so then you might say the politicians, it's been an easy a conversation to have has we've seen these all themselves, which i'll talk about in a little while this military attack shay, who happens to be of the rock and descent a jew from hi. so how do you assess that connection and the strategy that rebecca has with telling me when it comes to you might say on sales? i think some people still don't recognize the depth of the constitution. the guy assessing is or that it's the deepest sense that this type of shipment of the company in 1948. and, and they said those in, if so, the, which i think is out deficient in, in differentiating conceptualizing between just a diplomatic relationship, understanding issue and military relations with,

with phase i see that it is a major supply or fourpence in which, you know, many companies would like to to purchase, especially when the state are full of conflicts, but at the same time, not recognizing role telling a blind eye, but they bite that by purchasing this weapons they, they supporting the country. this is all to find a meeting, so faithful in the pricing that most basic human rights. and i think it goes back to the previous space and said, yes, an old cassette seth and thing about the policy and an issue. but the counselors that sign the agreement and we face that on the one hand, yes, we would like to see more cultivation and diplomatic relations organization. but we felt ignoring of the policy being an issue, a because it's more legal and b because it's going actually to home they'll, they'll all mean to those. and then i said the, the issue of that when it comes to so the supply or the phones and the items that they, the people are ready to ready to found the blind di. what does that to mean?

well, the implication for. busy this as long as a or what makes a lot of money out of faith and that that was getting their kind of weapons that they would like to purchase. yeah, let's just give us a little bit of context about this because the major elements of the warming tides between the rocker and israel has to be the um, sales that deals with hundreds of millions of dollars and give them a walk on access to high tech weapon rate, this includes the call of a tank and advanced piece of hardware that israel has never sold to another country . the full, full size is really sold a range of millet tree, drones that can be used for surveillance and precision to types of these could prove useful in finding all groups in west and so however, like the policy area front uh you'll see, let me just come back to you very quickly because obviously, you know, we talked about this military defense natasha, the grading of relations between tel aviv and rebecca to kind of showing it to she's a from the home front command. he's a literal can origin and is attached to the home for command in height. the

district is it must destroy it, isn't it touch we have it is really of moroccan descent attached to the rock. it brings those ties together. doesn't that very, very easily. it is not the only one to sales in the attic, certainly sending the whole cool way forward. seen in the oakland, this is obviously suspicious is a beautiful things to see that the establishment of relations between hundreds of thousands of feet so that they were born in the gulf of defend and the faithful from for my uncle and, and, and, and local. there's something that so i think many people who would like to see and that. so yeah, it's, it's sense always that i say seeing those to both countries. but again, as long as the looking at all sorts of issues, we felt think knowing that there is there is the issue of occupation. there is the issue of, of over or the find a student issue about joomla. hey, that's a bring you back in from brussels. i mean, how, what, right, do you think all the much? why did level a looking at the story, you know, regionally, you saw jerry,

you're going to be in your opinion with his right. and you munitions on the border? so i think the opposite is being very clear on the point uh, considering it says as a direct and clear for vocation. so i'm from the more cosign uh, the wood. uh wood. uh wood. uh, basically a contribute to the peace and stability in the region. i don't think so from the sides is talking about about the current. the current is lazy routine, basically it's a far right, extremely assessed machine and, and, and power and visit i and who's closer to the bodies and the so called surveillance of listing. so how and try and g extends or to extend its time with, with the more can achieve. this is, this is absolutely not, not something to be proud of. let's, let's be clear. on the other hand, for, for the highways also the so how do we people, it is, it is to be,

to be mentioned that their faith is and then the galaxy on mobile and it's mobile inmates noble cause and of course, believing and, and then to nice you know, and the sentiment of rights that have been certified by the united nation chaucer. this cannot be, this cannot be defeated because no matter, no matter, no matter who to cause an ice, a new condition of try to is a to give it to sort terminated tennessee problem. this is not a good, not the in fact it's on, on morocco itself. on the moral can people and it is to be the teen side, morocco it's what would be a good to, to the, to distributed team workers. so other than, than, than being a for the to the neighboring countries. well, let me get back to over about between today and the program, a lot of columbia, very quickly. all we actually heading towards is sort of a north african caldwell. we still don't morocco,

us israel on one side. on the other side. we go out, jerry, closing up obviously to, to russia and rob these all concerns at the bow, but the strategist, so looking at as to see whether this region could be in the hot spot as well. i think we're witnessing a global reconfiguration of alliances and morocco is up with a new doctrine of multi polarity. we are rebuilding alliances with a lot of new allies. and when it comes to defense, we're not simply buying our arms. we're building a national industry of defense. we do a lot of the partners slot on the his realm, but other countries as well. and the 2nd thing is that, i don't know why nobody raises the question of both on june. i'm just buying weapons from a russian and has being for decades and nobody's talking about it that it's the most armed country in the zone. and when it comes to morocco, i mean, we just stick to fuck, it's this, the blue country when it comes to institutions. and we've come so much for economy

and the most vivid, unimportant industrial hub in the region. so i would say maybe there is a cold war, but there is one country on the rise, which is morocco. and there is a country that is dependent on instructive industry then, or which is of julia will see which country is making the winning bed. or it's people and part of the stability of its culture. suddenly we will have to leave it . i'm sure we'll continue to follow the story if i place the all the inside story for the moment. thank you to all of all gas of the like along. we, that's the medical book on the back and you la and thank you. of course for watching to you can see the program again any time by visiting our website that always is there a dot com for the discussion. go see on facebook page, that's facebook dot com forward slash h right inside story. you can also join the conversational twitter handle the areas at a inside story for makes it around the middle of the inside, so it saves thanks for your time. i just got the

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