of the july average rightful in that time, right? quantities and falls from go to go to right some maybe a showers of the east and what weather focused on the history is for gum. that's all peril yet in spain. states imposed amnesia was enshrined in law. diminishing the plight of countless victims of frank codes. 36 you take, take the shape with a group of survivor. it says launched an international law suit hoping to bring those accountable to justice and force the country to acknowledge its fascist bost . the silence of others witness on al jazeera. israel says it recognizes little k self warranty or the western. it's hard for us. it's an area also claimed by this promissory upfront. what does this mean for the long running conflict in this region? and what with israel gets in with tubs. this is inside story,

the hello welcome to the back of the hill rahman dispute say the west. and so how have raged for decades were okay claims that as its own, a lot of groups, banks, biology area want independence, but right? no meant to maybe on morocco side is route has joined us in recognizing its claim and is hoping more countries will follow. we'll pull this to a panel in just a few moments. but 1st, this report from fenton bought a, is within this desert of more than a quarter of a 1000000 square kilometers, live valuable mineral resources. but the western sahara is contested. morocco says it's part of its territory. that's disputed by the pos, are you front? an arm group facing for independence. morocco's claim isn't widely recognized,

but that may be changing. morocco restored relations with israel in 2020, and that's been submitted by toby, recognizing its rule over western sahara. the move was overseen by the trumpet ministration that also granted us recognition of morocco's claim. at the same time . it was the 1st country to do so. reversing decades of policy bronco held it as a major breakthrough. such of hostilities levity keeps each of his question. his confirms historic and important decisions, the case of the american desert and the us acknowledgement that it is part of moroccan lens. some of the developments in the middle east and re establishing relations between morocco and israel to have, you know, yet t on the other side as the pulse are you front, backed by neighboring algeria. they bought a worth morocco for more than a decade. that ended the cease fire in 1991. you and troops were deployed to keep

the peace until a referendum of the reach of the future. but it was never held. ralph who believes laments and is on his side 28 states, a set of conflicts in western so hard in cities, actions morocco's these, a support for its position, spain and other european countries have also back to plan for western so hard table . ptolemy, under moroccan rule, another shift assembly is in morocco's favor. the status of western sahara is far from decided, but with israel and the us backing is position morocco was hoping more countries will do the same. a sense and monahan for inside story the. so let's bring it all guess. will this edition of inside story in robust is of the my, like the law we, the president of the american institute of strategic intelligence as a think tank in london, is you'll see medical bug associates sell it with the middle east and north africa program at chatham house and then brussels is jewel malay huh. advocacy head of the

collective of said all we human rights defenders, adult profit organization judgment. welcome to inside story. can i just begin with you, mr. allow me a little k y has this route to using decided on this position to recognize weston's hara right now. hello. so thanks for having me. i think this is a logical continuum of the resuming of diplomatic relationship between morocco and israel in 2020. and we have to say that morocco has a specific city, the only our country that has around 600000 american jews live in israel, middle of which a lot of them were waiting for the decision. because some of them come from this to her, a very natural image. so this is a logical decision that is dictated by jo. police extend to new that and i me think about that. there are other relation. okay, let me, uh, cause i have to, you'll see, and i called back in london. i mean, it's rather than setting you tell the people that,

that he wants 3 years since it signed formally, they wouldn't be able to have a codes recognition of each other. i mean, what was his rel waiting for as well? i think it is. i wanted to see what the rest of the international community is doing. obviously, back then do not to the states recognize that there was as, as, as filed, a full, full, small call. but in many cases, this is a is trying to delay things. it's my, it's a bit less cost of what they might only $28.00 countries. and so far recognize the, since it's as there's been a lot of to tomorrow. cool. but i think, you know, is what i mean is a state of flux, it's easier to actually to get something out to fault the government, the things that is, is best, but it's for some achievements, it didn't, and it didn't count. so it completely free for market because it's that what comes of safety is an upgrades of the diplomatic relations obligating,

the commodity commission, building to an embassy. so there is some div and take this and it's in the call you, this is what it means. also some, some diplomatic achievements. indeed it will be looking at the ministry connection a little bit later in the conversation. that's cool. save it too. but you may how you've had well to the base abdul malik, and you'll see how to say, i mean the move itself by israel could be viewed as antagonistic by both the apollo, sorry, a front and dial january. i mean, it's the thing to pull to full autonomy of the region. what sort of reaction do you think? can we expect from the public, sorry, a front and in the hours ahead from algeria on the side of the action was on the made public. so a statement, i think we need to, to highlight here that a combination of from, from, from, is i had, which is also,

i know good point and state for the client is a part of starting a commission from, from, i know, could file to, to more of california to google condition, was this a how that is absolutely nothing to city, but it's in here about uh uh, to be so this to, to, to, to do just to make any legal presence that has been proven throughout the process of the conversation. the process within the united nations and all of the solutions that has been confirmed and over and over again the that the right decide on to says it's in the nation and as to how the people as an obligation, i don't think actually way pass to difficult the conversational spot, the question was to us as well as, as controlled by, by constituents goes to go to the routing. so they'll appear in court of justice that has been actually confirmed. that also has the most of the to her wisdom. so her knowledge kind of the team does administered empower the status of the domains

with spain and remains unsustainable under, under international mo. uh, they said, it was initial, came exactly in the same day that the pm fleet, a list of listed wisdom. so how it works since after the fishes partnership agreements protocol came to an end with no, with the inside. so it's it's, it's extension. so i think it is a cover up for that and we don't see it really as, as a victoria for more cool. so should, when, when it says it goes to where the children or can people into the main. they may as, of course just as much as i can, because i want to just jump in because we, we've obviously got your sort of sense. we want to try and, you know, get, get debates across the, all the 3 of you, the 3 of i guess the old inside story of the mother excited about to you. it's into a box. i mean, obviously, you know, the various points of view about how the situation is unfolding and how the various groups and governments together react to this for decades. so, you know,

we've seen we've, we've seen the question, but it actually is coming for decades. so we've tended to see confrontation in the area, no outright violence or a but fighting us. we've seen it ensued on in recent weeks and months, but described as a low level intensity. i mean, to think that this low level confrontation will be heightened tensions will be heightened we, we are in danger of a conflict in any shape or full. well, the view from or above is that it is very much improbable that we would have an escalation. but if we've been on that, we have to understand history and we have to understand and as much as i'm interested in conspiracy theories, the drug via agirri and diplomacy, we have to state to state very simple site. there is a big for adults in the world today, the whole international communities screaming and shouting about separatism in your career. but yes,

part of this international community is not that until the about recognizing the legitimate, the rights of rock over the sobriety of the her. in the local, we are peace brokers, we are agents of union and if we are to jewell completely the power of a, it's very simple magic that the parties are your friends a which is a during the move on the accounts for 6 or 7 percent of the total is that right? uh, population that is with an eye by the i'm here and redeem which is uh, having a rivalry with morocco is very much like the wagner roofing rustic. it's a miniature apart. i mean that the root system that is used by, in the country to use their internal problems until the few of their internal problems. so i don't think the excavation, they charge your outside the bi escalation. but so to be able to political funds, if we just go back to august 2022 or about recalled back to the tennessee. the basset a for biology is when there was an investment conference being hosted by

o g is and they invited the head of the policy area from to abraham donnelly. i mean, you say you'll piece bro cuz, but you, you, again, you are also very sensitive to the regional newsman, solve the problem, sorry upfront and who they need to do. they don't of a certainty, but let's take a look at the very iconic image. and then i'm happy that i'm speaking about this on the other 0, the only arab country that was able to have crowds, she or for its national team in palestine. and israel is morocco and we have a specificity is that we recognize our jewish heritage and we recognize our berber heritage by the constitution. which is very different from what julia is doing, which is backing a minute to remove men and not not recognizing the rights of the river population in old syria. so we have this brokers, but we do not accept the countries with our allies that are in the same regional space. our middling would we then our internal aspect from it internal affairs. and

they really come on ground now and rolling supports for the american preposition of large autonomy, which is a form of self determination. it has been backed by united states as you said, but it is by no, by saying it is, but like germany, this is this sense of history. we cannot have a double standard, a standard for ukraine and must have the same standards from records. okay, that's good. so you'll see medical bigger than that because obviously, you know, we're all cavities heddrick, it's pet spa getting place that to israel. so this confirmation by telling the vote, western sahara certainly helps that. arguments on the international front. does it help with attraction further afield? i mean, is it a fair assessment that by you might see a lighting you'll, you'll post next to to kind of easy to it will get more support on the international front. is that how you would perhaps analyze the politics right now?

is the thing to say something before that because it's interesting, we say something which that is undermines the ability to and conflicts in the international arena. we see this kind of conflicts and in this, in place, you know, whether this ahead you know, the case. so for woodson, so even if in other places that the conflicts of you know, festival for a long time to become adults and the continuing to create attention. not only for instance, what happened between 40 so you're more about this. so we, for, we, for just say the entire region is backed into this because the moment can, isn't in order to resolve it. which brings me to your question. yes, you, it, when you go in this situation, that's what he's looking for lies. so whether there's that for the seller, we're for julia model, cool. we've state the united states and, and, and, and, and these live. and again, we need to look at the historical tours. the relations between is an invalid, even though we file diplomatic relations multiple voices has too much to initiate

the piece of negotiation with egypt. back in the 19 seventy's visits unofficial wasn't even sick of the book. she ation diplomatic engagement when the whole coordinates of going going full for a very long time. what happened was that mama called him specifically with small cool. he's basically formalizing relations that exist even then the other thoughts about that had, by insight. we fed with the minute the thoughts in, in, in the west and so, so in this sense, it's similar to us. so what happens to be the lead, a sense that there was what happened was that bottom called is formalizing making these, you know, legitimizing and normalizing collections that to a certain extent before. and then based on this relationship. okay, well then let me ask about you be in brussels, i mean they feed a barrel coats is getting close, obviously to israel and vice versa. they don't. d o need is what makes misleading

country deference at arabic country as well. we've got egypt. uh, as mentioned, jordan you a bar ain't even techie. they will have diplomatic relations with 10 of these different levels. do you think you'll, you'll be paula sorry upfront and it's supporters of the countries that do acknowledge it at the moment. and the algae area a on the side of a losing battle here, trying to get such a the, pull it positive politics, salt as, as well. well, i don't, i don't see it that way. to be honest, when we look at other countries, will have normalized stars will desire that test speed. and in most cases, based on on the po for on the license and what's, what's best for the and us and the people when it comes to, to morocco. it was up to, up to you a bargain in operation actually in the black markets region was the heart of palestine. and here a food and georgie,

the on the police side of the city is very comfortable position because they have to be consistent in the position toward all, all the causes from the sense of how it are to palestine for at least 2 more police . and so on, but, but, but morocco here is, is, is, is facing serious question that require claudius occasions to bear on people onto the international community. what happens to, to ellipse coming to you that, that more cool side what, what, what are the prices kitchen, or i guess what? uh, this of a condition came when it comes to a tooth and police to me is on the right. what day? what day? uh, they took an eis uh, just to the model was as it took a little, uh, country sort of is uh, we have seen the minutes of the odd shape coming to sure. but and, and the oxidative integration between both the genes basically give us the intestines that moral coal is handed over, that its,

its own national security trays that are looking for both. but with the, with the contribute, i don't think any that this has any impact. and the impact plays basically in what the signing of font is a way to understand how people is origin within the sea or from the fee and costs of justice. and this would be a root in historical that will confirm again, once again, then we got it. it was how and in the galaxy or more controls is and look at by to this is over since how much is to consult and the voters by involving other 1st parties would not be the right to take, specially when when we compare. so when we look at the geo politics like no compared to this with ukraine, i think, i think the international community, especially the westwood, would face a serious problem. whether it's going to come to facility and cost in since the and, and, and, and for the policies when we, the auction is going to change in the purch. and i'm just gonna jump into,

i guess i'm so ha, i'm just going to jump to that because i want to get this to bog down into ukraine . issue, which i also appreciate. uh, there are similarities or could be in the future. what will really want to keep it to, to what scale down of domestic law we, i mean just becoming closer to his route distance. rough code from just sort of the logic is logic. well, there's a great deal of tension between israel and of the listed in countries that are very supportive of the palestinian calls and the right to state utility. we call to ignore it. it's happening on a daily basis. janine was a classic example of what we've seen over the last few weeks, which is a shocked millions who seen those pictures walters, morocco's strategy in dealing with tele things. when it comes to the palace, the news, your call to know the issue, because you'll closely involved in the arab league and also in the organization of islamic states. i don't think that's not always ignoring at all the issue and the

position of morocco under the leadership phase mattress. cedar king has been crystal clear from day one in morocco we believe in a 2 state solution. and his majesty the king is the chairman of what's committed so every single american and bucks they are american is giving bars of his revenue for the eclipse committee in order to rebuild the action porters of jerusalem. so this is something that is at the heart of the conversation in morocco, but we do believe that you cannot make peace and you cannot have a conversation with someone you don't speak to. it needs to tangle. it's a very personal thing for all americans were very much attached in the policy and you called the american gover. print was very clear in condemning some of the attacks by begins right and is on the sims. but we are, as i said, also in a tradition of priest based brokerage by morocco. it was the leadership sized mattress to the king who enabled the reopening of a very important the gate between jordan and uh,

as israel. so we do believe that the promise you work and you know, as it is for policing and it's very important for americans to her is very important for americans. if i take a personal example, i come from us a highly somebody and i'm as more up in the of me g. so we have to stop opposing the fact that we can have diplomatic relationship with israel and asked them to tough questions and ask them to tough questions about palestine. and at the same time, we can support the policy and people. this is the american position, a position, a balance, and a position of moderation said you've got that cleared up. you'll see michael, that's like them to you in london because the one thing that is very evident and his right, the politics right now is that's a democracy. can easily head back to the polls if the public cannot stop the and we've seen election after elections that me full over the last few years. g find

interesting, but the real co and its leadership has decided to cultivate a relationship with the military. also, then you might say the politicians, it's been an easy a conversation to have has we've seen these all themselves, which i'll talk about in a little while this military attack shay, who happens to be of the rocking to send a that you from heifer. how do you assess that connection and the strategy that rebecca has with telling me what it comes to, you might say on sales. i think some people still don't recognize the depth of the constitution, the guy. so saying is that that gets the deepest that since the stablish ment of the company in 1948 and, and there is those in, if so the, which i think is deficient in, in differentiating professor lives in between just a diplomatic solution defined a steaming issue and military relations with,

with phase i see that it is a major supply or fourpence in which, you know, many companies would like to to purchase, especially when the states are full of conflicts. but at the same time, not recognizing go down and you're blind died, but they fight that by purchasing this weapons they, they supporting the country. this is all to find a 1000000. so faithful in the pricing that most basic human rights. and i think it goes back to the previous speaker said yes, small says something, think about the policy and an issue, but the counselors that sign the agreement and we face that on the one hand, yes, we would like to see more cooperation and diploma relation organization but we felt ignoring at the front as being an issue, a because it's more legal and b because it's going actually to help them they'll, they'll all mean to those. and then i said the, the issue of that when it comes to, to the supply or full fall and the items that i have to fill out. so i'm ready to

tell them the blind dye. what does that mean? what they'll be implication for this as long as a one makes a lot of money out of faith and that was getting their kind of weapons that they would like to purchase. yeah, let's just give us a little bit of context about this because i made sure i live in the optimal mean times between morocco and israel has to be the sales that deals with hundreds of millions of dollars and give them a walk on access to high tech weapon rate. this includes but because of a tank and advanced piece of hardware that israel has never sold to another country before. also as well as sold a range of millet tree drones that can be used for surveillance and precision. the types of these could prove useful in fighting on groups in western. so however, like the policy area front uh you'll see, let me just come back to you very quickly because obviously, you know, we talked about this military defense natasha and the grading of relations between tel aviv and rebecca to kind of show it to she's a from the home front command piece of literal can origin and is attached to the

hope for come i didn't high for a district. it's a must a stroke, isn't it time sure you have it is really of moroccan descent attached to the rocco it brings those ties together. doesn't do it very, very easily. the. yeah. is not the only one to self in in, in the me i think certainly sending the whole cool way forward. seen in the oakland, this is the obviously this, this is this a beautiful things to see that there is such mental relations between hundreds of thousands of feet so that they will bone in local or defend and they'll pay for it from for my uncle and, and and, and, and local, there's something that, so i think many people who would like to see and that, so yeah, it's, it's sense always that i say seeking those to boss con, please. but again, as long as the looking goals, so it's either the issues we felt think knowing that there is, there is the issue of occupation. there is the issue of, of, or, or define this thing an issue about juma, le, let's a bring you back in from brussels. i mean, how, what, right, do you think all the much, why did level looking at the story, you know,

regionally or you saw jerry, you're going to be in your opinion with his right. and you munitions on the border . so i think the ones you have been very clear on the point uh, considering it says as a direct and clear publication. so i'm from the more cosign uh, the wood. uh wood. uh with uh, basically contribute to the peace and stability in the region. i don't think so from the other side in talking about about the current, the current is lazy routine, basically it's a far right. extremely assessed machine and, and, and power and visit i and who is closer to commodities and the so called. so going to of, of listings to how and try and g extends or to extend its time with, with the more can achieve. this is, this is absolutely not, not something to be proud of. let's, let's be clear. on the other hand, for, for the highways off of the. so how do we people, it is, it is to me,

to be mentioned that their faith is and then the galaxy on mobile and it's mobile inmates noble cause and of course believing and, and the international low and the sentiment of rights that have been certified by the united nation charter, this cannot be, this cannot be defeated because no matter, no matter, no matter who it was an ice, a notification of try to do is to give it to sort terminated tennessee pro. this is not a, not the, in fact it's on, on morocco itself, on the moral can people. and it's distributed to inside morocco. it's what would be a good to, to the, to distributed team workers. so, other than, than, than being a for the, to the neighboring countries. well, let me get back to over about between today and the program, a lot of columbia, very quickly. all we actually heading towards is sort of a north african caldwell what we sort of got morocco, us israel, a one side,

i'll be honest. i'll be out jerry, a closing up obviously to, to russia and rob these all concerns at the mo, but the strategist. so looking at us to seeing whether this region could be in the hot spot as well. i think we're witnessing a global reconfiguration of alliances. and morocco is up with a new doctrine of multi polarity. we are rebuilding alliances with a lot of new allies. and when it comes to defense, we're not simply buying our arms, we're building a national industry of defense. we do a lot of the partners not on the his realm, but other countries as well. and the 2nd thing is that i don't know why nobody raises the question of both of you. i'm just buying weapons from a russian and has been for decades and nobody's talking about that. it's the most on country in the zone. when it comes to morocco, i mean, we just stick to the fact, it's this, the blood country when it comes to institutions and we've come so much for economy

and the most vivid, i mean for the industrial hub in the region. so i would say maybe there is a cold war, but there is one country on the rise, which is morocco. and there is a country that is defending the on instructive industries and on which is of julia . we'll see which country is making the winning bed for its people and for the stability of its culture. suddenly we will have to leave it. i'm sure we'll continue to follow the story if i place the all the inside story for the moment. thank you to all of all gas of the like along we, that's the medical book on by and you may have and thank you. of course for watching to you can see the program again any time by visiting our website to thousands of adults. com for further discussion. go see on facebook page, that's facebook dot com forward slash h 8 inside story. you can also join the conversational twitter handle the areas at a inside story. for me. so robin, i know all of the inside, so it saves thanks for your time. isaac, of the, the,

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