over the next day, also east impulse of south africa, mozambique could say some right at times on the cold side and shy was drifting further. no. the latest news as it breaks on the one side, the authority is our payment for tom. on the other side, bounce from lake to monday, just this with detailed coverage. the work has resulted in the closure of many hospitals, and that puts a lot of pressure on the medical staff here from around the world. the operation in jeanine would last no more than 48 hours, the consequences, the impacts of what has happened here. the last for years of the northern hemisphere is witnessing unprecedented states floods and fires. defects of climate change and now happening quicker than scientists had predicted. so what all the dangers of these erotic weather patterns and how do we keep safe?

5th is inside the how are there and welcome to the program on this dante, now from record breaking hate waste of alarming floods. extreme weather conditions are causing death and destruction around the world. and then moving hemisphere summit has been marked by scorching hays and health warnings from southern europe to asia. while these conditions are not necessarily new, they all becoming new, frequent 110th. and in many cases, what disastrous united nations as a global warming is fueling this affecting everything from ecosystems to mass migration. so what should governments do, and how might we reverse some of the damage? we'll put those questions to i guess shortly you put fast. this report from katya

lopez. hold on. water is a luxury in the senegalese village for years, a dangerous combination of high temperatures and little rain has been dry lands and desperate communities. and part of the we can't use our one well for gardening, because then we won't have enough water to drink, then need a 2nd well for crops to feed ourselves and perhaps even sell vegetables for us about. similar situations are becoming more common across confidence. as global warming intensifies, the un says the droughts have become nearly 30 percent more frequent since the year 2000. the report shows they will likely get worse in the future and less longer. the extreme weather is having disastrous consequences hotter and dry. your somers in greece has made it more difficult to obtain. wildfires like this one north of athens in italy's capital and across southern europe. record breaking heat waves

are reaching dangerous levels for people like mammals. he's 90 years old. this alone. what i mean? no, i'm not too worried about myself. i'm more worried about homeless people out on the street. the heat is also unbearable in parts of northern mexico. asylum seekers in the border city of riverside, a little faced tough conditions with little protection from the scorching 43 degree heat. pump it up, you know, spoke up with the content. the main thing cause we mean the, we need to drink cold beverages constantly to adjust to a body temperature. but most of the day we feel low in energy and dehydration. my daughter has lips as severely chopped, even though i give her bottom and water and cranes in countries like india. the challenge is different. a period of heavy rain has caused the banks of the river to burst. now, flooding around the taj mahal and the city and nearby neighborhoods is boring,

locals and visitors alike. but also the level, the bottom of the guy we're afraid a house is, might get damaged when we come to sleep at night because we're worried the water level will keep rising and all of the environmental activists agree. the need to address extreme weather conditions is urgent, but more pressing they say is for governments to implement measures that can prevent them from happening. katia lopez, so the young for insights story the well that's now bringing, i'll guess in paris. we have catherine gamba, she leads the walk on climate change, a patient at the organization for economic cooperation and development. and geneva, we have joined in. he's a senior extreme, he's advisor at the wells mutual jekyll organization. as in kent and the united kingdom, dorothy guerrero, head of policy and advocacy at global justice, now a non governmental organization which campaigns on issues of developments in the

global south. a very, very well welcome to. well, thanks for joining us today on inside story. john, let me start with you. we knew this was coming, but did it perhaps happen a little bit quicker than we expected? what do we want to see the think that we're seeing and the sort of supporting it a quite consistent with the advice that we've saved from the on site. um the problem that we have facing, particularly in the northern hemisphere, is the damage to the north pole. the lack of ice is resulting in an almost woman and that we're getting the jet stream and resulting in patterns, but log in where the it's during the summer particular. and the system patterns will clear up in scars and it's all like lines that are delivering, delivering the st wise. i'm one of the problem that was a the, how the system cross which of the makes sitting next to they say, why?

where are we saying the assistant stalls and very heavy rifle, and so are these types of sit side by side with thing in the, in this very energetic tom. yeah. the, the assistant extreme hayes and the systems and the rifle of is i'm john, you're just saying that this is not far off from ip cc predictions. the ip c c being the expert panel on climate change that's been looking into this for many years. and catherine, if we knew this was coming when we prepared that is a very good question indeed. and a s as strongly just saying that what we're seeing today is very consistent with what the obviously sees telling us any text the i can see things turning as if we are looking at a 4.5 degree in going forward. 80 percent of the appropriation might be subjects to extreme heat. so what we're seeing now may not be what we need to expect in the future. the future might actually become quite torres and even to be expected to

for me to have cities around the world and having just for are you prepared for it? so only now after consecutive use of extreme ext off exposure to extreme heat race . cities like paris, london, new york, those entities are getting into the gear, actually preparing for reducing going, but it will take time, some of the dimensions that the that'd be can take, for example, i mentioned sizing cities are changing, the design of cds are not precious that can help us increase temperatures from today to tomorrow. in the meantime, we need to protect more people. but they are, there are measures, for example in melbourne, varies deep. they yeah, they're extreme king class for these to be glad to seek these national forests by 2052 degrees steps to decrease the urban heat on the 2nd by 4 degrees by 2050. but again, as you can see, it may take time to actually take action in the us,

the warehouse extreme need that has a clean cooling begins into re matching houses. perhaps even the operator to exceed in store most that can help us bring temperatures down in cities and we're upgrading energy and transport infrastructure so that we're confronted with less failure to increase their resilience going forward under extreme heat conditions. but one of these takes time and we're getting late interaction, takes time and takes money. i want to get into some of the outpatient strategies in, in just a moment. but let me just bring darcy and to there's a discussion here because you dorothy have been part of a movement that's been campaigning around these issues for decades. really. how are you feeling now as you watch, climate predictions unfold in reality, knowing the, the choices that governments and corporations and individuals have made to get us to this point. you know, thank you. and especially for having made this focus. yes, indeed, governments of corporations and osmond government, the not for profit organizations are all aware that time of change is happening and

that it's all happening faster than the predicted. then through government pine, the loan climate change hub is now under the 6 report last year old. and we'll do that through of meetings of governments will do dr. development bands and try blocks. big saw me, it's like the world. he cannot make full have put climate change in the top to concerns and all the meetings. but despite that, governments fail to do climate actions that are common show a to the challenge. and they are still following to say, develop is more, they'll go through with that model that are, have after the create that this crisis. and then on the other hand, corporations, especially those of our ex, trusting fossil fuels. so gas on coal have spent beckett's denying that climate change is happening. and in fact, they even have the in house climate experts. but despite knowing that and despite was accurate for um, forecast and studies, since i'm a change,

they have denied it in now that they have lost the debate, the actions, the programs that they're putting on the table are not appropriate for the, for the child to a pacing it's, it's more business than usual so that they can continue profiting. we have seen the profits of big fossil fuel corporations reaching historic levels last the rich historic level of the 1st quarter of the year. so shell even said that they are going back there could be mets being made to their shareholders to use it. busy so that means they're not ready to put appropriate actions. they wanted to continue profiting for many, well, i'm sorry, you were just mentioning something that around climate denial of service, i just want to clarify something, things that surround us as well. and i want to direct steps to john, because i believe we've already hit temperature rise above baseline levels from the 1900s of around 1.16 degrees celsius. and we also know that this is the beginning

of a number of years of el nino 2, which is confusing. and we know that that could push us over that 1.5 degree very critical threshold. how much of what we're seeing right now. john is used to climate change and how much do use it on media? that's a very good question. um we know we look at it so the average level temperature did help us gone policy markets. and we have seen the global temperature also i j. so i mean, yeah, and only in your influences. but what, what we've also saying is that bias launch shifted. so now, um, normally knowing your results in a woman's line law mean yeah. a cooler period. but what we've seen in the last 3 years of law, i mean, yeah, i'd love to leverage temperatures that high uh, then they own in your global average temperatures of the ninety's. so the,

the home, you know, the cycle and then you're buying your cycle is still the bottom. the background level increase in temperatures is dominating and it is continuing to shift climates to, to, to continually on. so i can only stress that of the northern hemisphere period of the summer period is this being dominated by the loss of sea ice across the north pole. so and so i was a patient with a mass which will amplified a signal, but there are more than one signal that we should pay attention to. more than one part of the guidelines that is exhibiting stress. at the, at the moment of the ocean temperature anomalies are see already in time. so it's

very hard to say any part of the bible life is 70 percent of the service of the blog where we are saying anything above the normal is as everyone keeps saying, we're standing on the top 10 parent tree here. now dorothy, you mentioned that a lot of the propaganda that's been shed around the idea of, of global warming. a lot of people obviously have their own invested interest to catherine. i want to ask you, do you think that this extreme weather now is convincing people that climate change with people who perhaps didn't think that kind of change was a real threat is changing their minds and do people genuinely think that the extreme weather that we're seeing is due to climate change and therefore actually adapting their behavior to adjust to that when 10 steps at least what we hope, at least i think i can do it in time to see what the extreme events you seeing today or on the not being causing any notice about damage. i know it was the found

amount of testing effects that threw up our economy, leasing in going in societies and in the adapt teacher. this is a political mandate. this is a political question. that is, is undeniable whether or not still is in charge of relief is to, pertaining to climate change or not, i guess is, is yes, are already made by what we see at least in previous use that was masturbate. the climate change out of patient is me a task that is that to run the global south to small states that are being even dated by senior vice and so forth. but the extremely minutes we're seeing in the northern hemisphere as fast now back to the question in the speed of the government action. also in european countries, in northern american countries and, and really across the receiving spectrum, leading to gear up up and accelerate their adaptation measures. taking a couple of examples in germany to floods that were close to the already that the cost of the, the, to the federal government in the federal government layer for food to be yours. we

need us the cost of change a change of mind or who is responsible for actually trying to prevent these damages . the one fives that we've seen recently, such as the compliance in 2018 as well as for both 5, both of them cost $20000000000.00 in, in, in damage. we got really unprecedented events. and if you were to put that money into preventing these events in the future, that would obviously saves you a lot of money and we don't see that the things are etc, etc. kind of change adaptation plans. comprehension was in place across for the city today. they are trying to accelerate and main street their, their actual implementation by setting concrete target. so now we're not just saying we need to increase hours and you were say, this is the number of people we need to say 5000. so was like 2050 some so you never buy a house when you're talking that about at taishan plans, right. in terms of dealing with the impacts of climate change. dorothy, given that now that we're seeing so much impact on the global noise,

all you sensing a gracious sense of urgency in terms of dealing with climate challenges. and i'm not just talking about a patient here, but mitigations are trying to reduce emissions or all the sectors of climate action . yes, um 1st i, you say the 3 now are we have lost a decade or 2 in action and up the patient. and now that people to see and experiencing directly, the investment climate change, which has been experienced by people in the global sell or the global majority be fine longer than what you're experiencing here. and here in the north, there is a change of attitude, but then the same thing we need to increase the understanding of when we see floods on t v. we also have to think of our, our planet footprints, and then also for policy makers and governments. they need to prepare for the advance beyond government records, particularly the trends cost by under projected climate change enhancing the

probability of big streams. so now planning should be made on the extremes. and then you also mention about how the global north and south can corporate on these numbers be. so that would be, there must be, there must be also, that's why we are doing the, the competing here in the u. k. for our government to put more of climate finance on the table to to do more than the new schwab and not the back track. what's gonna be to minutes? i think that is very, very important. because even if one of the household level, we understand that we need to segregate our waste, or we need to couple of electricity use or degrees and the present to use that will not be is because what is in port that is for the huge and historic give me those to cost emissions for corporations to stop profit thing um on the, on the shoulders of people from the south and also on the bus apply met. so i think those are the important understanding that we need to come in to start here. we

just like i told him that about us and planning for extremes. right. and catherine, you mentioned that at that time could be running out john, i want to ask you a question around global climate dynamics that we're seeing. obviously, you know, that's usually into the and, and we're talking about the sea ice, an ocean warming, for instance. we know that one climate impact will have an impact on another, creating a sort of vicious cycle, so to speak. when we've talked about tipping points in the past, so a point to which we get into a space that is a reversible people have often dismissed that as, as being either dramatic how close only to a tipping point. now john look good. what i'm having talked about cascading and compounding events. i'm not as confident about understanding and being able to tell a story about attending points. um, did you want to go to the maintenance planet? that's quite a different story because those i'll be able to give up. i think what we need to

concentrate on the probable futures that we can envisage within a decade on time. and what i can tell you at this point in time is that we have seen the barrio for us. so the northern hemisphere, but at a rise, that is of course and then and that will cascade into more hates and more damaging smoke events that will lead to bad health outcomes. we cannot, we should tell lease. busy or is that or more immediate should get a response because i have immediate consequences that we've had installed. and if we address those that will work on reversing those, the final repair, you know, putting in place on a repair that will hold back on so yard. so pull back on a sign, we have to start the barrio far as for betting. um because um that is

a spike. the putting it must also yard. so um, and much more ball top. com pounds. the one site makes when the normal episode of prices, we end up with troubles for account design, which is toxic to table. a strong way to know the days of media that we need to address. and if we address size, we're addressing the full things that can push us towards that tipping points and so on. your spoke that about this notion of climate repair, which is really this idea that there are steps that we can take to try to revise some of of what we've done so far. now obviously that would require huge amount of resources, but not only that a huge amount of political well, and i want to talk a little bit about political. well here, we're heading towards cop 28th. the 28th conference of the parties to be one frame of conventional climate change as really 3 decades of talking. and we're now living

through the outcome of the 3 decades will nearly 3 decades of tools. that huge landmark paris agreement in 2015, a lot of people said that was only really possible because we sort of by that sort agreement between the 2 largest dimensions in the wild china and the us the before . we know in the last few days that the special climate in boy from the us, john kerry, has been in china having discussions that catherine, let me throw this one too. what did you make of the turn of those discussions, especially as we had now to with another conference of the parties are nearby when at least we can see that there was a sense that rather rich secondary critics traits a calibration bridge, a 5 and focus on climate and get to get sort of their minds together and negotiate what they can, what they can both put to the table at the call and hopefully that you see an outcome. but what we all know, it's not about another negotiation. we all know that it's about the action. we

don't see the powers agreement, easy tools, and all the countries that we talk about the use of these bases are looking behind the target. so i think it's about him can i think there click mention incrementing or reaching get targets to to net 0 sort of closer to the 2 of them. but it sort of commitment that countries are following schultz, of as, as we speak today. dorothea, i want to ask you a little bit more about the china dynamics there because there is some hopes that that things might shift as we go forward. and obviously china is also living through a huge heat wave in the north and, and experiencing extreme with the flooding and a huge amount of storms in the south. at the same time, the china has doubled down on coal. and even these heat waves that actually will basically ended up using little cold because of air conditioning. and i know that the energy infrastructure in china is really designed to be dependent on call. now, at the same time, almost paradoxically,

china has also been huge. we scaling on renewables and we know the renewables and become a lot cheaper, a lot more widespread around the world. but that's not necessarily been because of the reasons you've been pushing for dorothy, but because it's, it makes more financial sense. so let me ask you, then, does this give you hope that things might be changing? perhaps not for the reasons that that you've been pushing for, but that they aren't changing to what it is good. the country is like the us in china discussing because they do need to cooperate and they need to show climates either she but we have to understand this. well, that's the countries like the u. s. u k. companies in europe, a historic event, this all the time a so a huge and you 3 to start the historic meter. and it's good that you have also mentioned that the compared to all the rest of the western or northern countries on china's use of renewable. now, so far, all it's to everyone, everyone else is using renew, but more than all the other countries. and it's,

and also because of its, rolled in producing solar panels the, those, the practice in the developing countries also reduce because of the rules. so i think a child that play an important role and one thing about china, you should also understand that is that when it puts a plan, it plans long term because i've been following china since 2005 after leap i have read in the region them develop into this a 5 year program when they plan, they put 25 years or 10 years. and when they do that they normally deliver because there is a consensus, think consistency in the government. unlike in the u. s. o the by then they'll put the us back on climate leadership. but then he has a problem convincing the congress to, to also follow his commitment. so there is that big defense and also many of the west and countries rely on business to do whatever they want to do. so in, in this case is just one session needs also a bit,

the planning from the government and also ownership of those crucial. and the district was because you comp regularly anything that you don't owe. and so there needs to be a bigger role for governments in these kinds of, of, of steps and maestro's and, and that's a, as in john kerry, also mentioned that they will not pay compensation or reparations, the global. so that's always been the u. s. line. and us position, we just actually met convention at the historic role and, and unfortunately that's, that's a has always been designed. so when we did the loss of damage that happened in, in egypt because of the unity of the south and governments for so the, the history of the call is a history of back tracking of delay over denying to responsibility obligations. so the northern countries, so i think at this time now the they deliver it this time now that for, for big fossil fuel companies also the search questionnaire that quickly. yeah.

when they know by nonce, i do want to begin to feel, i'm sorry dorothy, i do want to throw a last question, had to john because within the political landscape that we currently live in and seeing what we're seeing now in terms of extreme weather around the world that has been increasing talk of g o engineering, this idea of trying to reduce some of the impacts of, of what we've done to our planet. so for instance, flying planes up and choosing vapor into the skies and block out some of the some ideas like that. now, for a long time, a lot of that was discussed almost as a science fiction. but i see that both the white house and the you actually now taken very seriously, they made formal statements not at just over the last few weeks or so don't what is will take on that. do you think that it's, it's a legitimate, interesting idea. all the other questions of equity, whether or not is this the last resort? have we come to that of this extraordinary dangerous idea?

it may be called, well, probably because we're experimenting with the time and of course, bye. oh, really experimenting with a home buying anything. so much so yard, so when we know it is, it is bad for us and there's actually quite a simple lives that we saw amazing. see on. so it's yet another experimented regatta has been doing that as very defensive in the, sorry, well known in the have as far as sauces by regatta, to be a pull mass choice. so it's, it's an engineer's choice and we've had engine is how big is the outside of the items, be prepared like the tom, i think the, the it, isn't it another experiment? and then yes, you couldn't publicize it, it might be a solution, but i don't know how i'm gonna do that with my time. and the, the other, the other aspects of that is the paper. talk about this. and it starts to get to

look like green washing. and i haven't done like the, all the sections that we can put in place right now. as if you decide to do, we're going to buy ourselves more time. and to be on a, that's a fallacy. even if we could put tens of thousands of a craft into the listing that much or dustin, to the make a difference, that's a huge on enterprise. we don't have the sort of business structure to leave that much into the layer of the state of mind. different and so on, i would say one of the gloves to do it. and then as you say, we're already living through the impacts of our previous experiments on this planet . i'm afraid we'll have to leave it that for today, but thank you to all of our guest. katherine down puts on then and dorothy guerrero and thank you to for watching. remember, you can watch this program again any time by visiting our website that's out there a dot com for further discussion to goes well facebook page,

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