on parts of the philippines as we go through into the other parts of next week south is that as usual, shala's or the drive by the end of these? yeah. the the northern hemisphere is witnessing unprecedented sheets floods and fires, defects of climate change and now happening quicker than scientists had predicted. so what all the dangers of these erotic weather patterns and how do we keep safe? 5th inside story, the how are there and welcome to the program on this dante, now from record breaking heat waste of alarming floods. extreme weather conditions are causing death and destruction around the wild animals and hemisphere. summit

has been marked by scorching hays and health warnings from southern europe to asia . while these conditions are not necessarily new, they all the coming the frequent 110th. and in many cases, what disastrous united nations as a global warming, is fueling this affecting everything from eco systems to mass of migration. so what should governments do, and how might we reverse some of the damage? we'll put those questions to i guess shortly you put fast. this report from katya lopez. hold on. water is a luxury in the senegalese village for years, a dangerous combination of high temperatures and little rain has been dry lands and desperate community. the part of the a we can't use our one well for gardening, because then we won't have enough water to drink, then need a 2nd well for crops to feed ourselves and perhaps even sell vegetables for us about. similar situations are becoming more common across confidence. as global

warming intensifies, the un says the droughts have become nearly 30 percent more frequent since the year 2000. since the report shows they will likely get worse in the future and less longer. extreme weather is having disastrous consequences hotter and dry. your summers in greece has made it more difficult to obtain. wildfires like this one north of athens and italy's capital and across southern europe. record breaking heat waves are reaching dangerous levels for people like mammals. he's 90 years old. this alone is what i mean. no, i'm not too worried about myself. i'm all worried about homeless people out on the street. the heat is also unbearable in parts of northern mexico. asylum seekers in the border city of riverside, a little faced tough conditions with little protection from the scorching 43 degree heat. pump it up, you know, the point of contact, the main thing, cause we mean,

do we need to drink cold beverages constantly to adjust to a body temperature, but most of the day we feel low in energy and dehydration. my daughter is lips is severely chopped, even though i give her the bottom of the water and cranes in countries like india, the challenge is different. the period of heavy rain has caused the banks of william went up river to burst. now, flooding around the taj mahal, inaccurate city, and nearby neighborhoods is boring, locals and visitors a like a 1000 level. the model, mechanical guy, we're afraid at houses, might get damaged to come. we can't sleep at night because we're worried the water level will keep releasing and load up one of the environmental active disagree. the need to address extreme weather conditions is urgent, but more pressing. they say is for governments to implement measures that can prevent them from happening. katia, little pennsylvanian for insights story. the

well that's not bringing a guess in paris. we have catherine gamba. she needs the walk on climate change at a patient at the organization for economic cooperation and development in geneva, we have joined in, he's a senior extreme, he's advisor at the wells mutual, jekyll organization. as in kent and the united kingdom, dorothy guerrero, had a policy and advocacy at global justice. now a non governmental organization which campaigns on issues of developments in the global south. a very, very well and welcome to you. well, thanks for joining us today on inside story. john, let me start with you. we knew this was coming, but did it perhaps happen a little bit quicker than we expected? what do we want to say? the things that were saying and the purpose of the supporting it a quite consistent with the advice that we've seen on the on piece a site. um, the problem that we have facing, particularly in the northern hemisphere,

is the damage to the north pole. the lack of ice is resulting in an almost woman and that we're getting the jet stream and resulting in patterns that locked in where the pads during the summer particular. and the system patterns we play rock and scars. and it's all like lines that are delivering, delivering new st wise. i'm one of the problem that was say the how the system trusts which of the makes sitting next to they say why, where are we saying the assistant stalls and very heavy ryan bowl and saw these type of ship side by side way sitting in the in this very energetic tom and the, the, the assistant extreme hayes and the systems. any rifle is john, you were just saying that this is not far off from pcc productions b i p c c being the expert panel on climate change. that's been looking into this for many years. and catherine, if we knew this was coming well,

we prepared that is a very good question indeed. and a s as strongly just saying that what we're seeing today is very consistent with what the obviously sees telling us any text. yeah, this is these turning as if we are looking at a $4.00 degree bullying going forwards. 80 percent of the work reputation might be subjects to extreme heat. so what we're seeing now may not be what we need to expect in the future. the future might actually become quite torres and even to be expected to for me to happen cities around the world and having just for are you prepared for it? so only now after consecutive use of extreme ext off exposure to extreme heat waste . cities like paris, london, new york, those entities are getting into the gear, actually preparing for reducing going, but it will take time, some of the dimensions that the, that me can take. for example, i mentioned sizing cities and changing the design of states. these are not precious

that can help us increase temperatures from today to tomorrow. in the meantime, we need to protect multiple people, but they are, there are measures, for example in melbourne, varies deep the, their extreme p class for these to be glad to seek these national forests by 2052 degrees step to decrease the urban he's i'm to say by 4 degrees by 2050, but again, as you can see, it may take time to actually take action in the us. the warehouse extremely manufacturing cooling begins into re matching houses, poor house, even be upgraded to actually in store. most that can help us bring temperatures down in the sixties and we're upgrading energy and transport infrastructure. so they were confronted with less failure to increase their resilience going forward under extreme heat conditions. but one of these takes time and we're getting late interaction takes time and takes money. i want to get into some of the other patients strategies and in just

a moment. but let me just bring darth and to there's a discussion here because you dorothy have been part of a movement that's been campaigning around these issues for decades. really. how are you feeling now as you watch? climate predictions unfold in reality. knowing the, the choices that governments and corporations and individuals have made to get us to this point. you know, thank you. and especially for having made this focus. yes, indeed, governments, corporations and osmond government, the not for profit organizations are all aware that time of change is happening and that it's all happening faster than the predicted. then through government pine, the loan climate change hub is now under the 6 report last year old. and we'll do that through of meetings of governments will do dr. development bands and try blocks. big saw me, it's like the world. he cannot make full have put climate change in the top to concerns and all the meetings. but despite that, governments fail to do time is actions of our comments show

a to the challenge as we, they are still following the se, developers model both oriented model that are have after the create that describes this. and then on the other hand, corporations, especially those of arctic stuff, think fossil fuels. so gas, oh, and cold have spent beckett's denying that climate change is happening. and in fact, they even have the in house club experts. but despite knowing that, and despite all the accurate uh for um, forecast and studies, since i'm a change they have been, i do. and now that they have lost the debate, the actions, the programs that they're putting on the table are not appropriate for the, for the child to a pacing it's, it's more business than usual so that they can continue profiting. we have seen the profits of big fossil fuel corporations, wasting historic levels last the rich historic level of the 1st quarter of the year . so shell even said that they are going back there could be mets being made to

their shareholders to use it. busy so that means they're not ready to put appropriate actions. they wanted to continue profiting for many people. i'm sorry, you were just mentioning something that around climate denial of service, i just want to clarify something. and so that's for all of us as well. and i want to direct steps to john, because i believe we've already hit temperature rise above baseline levels from the 1900s of around 1.16 degrees celsius. and we also know that this is the beginning of a number of years of el nino 2, which is confusing. and we know that that could push us over that 1.5 degree very critical threshold. how much of what we're seeing right now. john is used to climate change and how much do use it on your that's a very good question. i know we look at the side of the average slide with temperatures and help us gone policy. mike is and we have seen

the global temperature also i j. so i mean, yeah, and only in your influences. but what, what we've also saying is that the baseline shifted. so now um, normally knowing your results in a woman line, well, i mean, yeah, a cooler period. but what we've saying in the last 3 years of law, i mean, yeah, a lot of leverage temperatures that high uh, then they own, needing your global average temperatures of the ninety's. so the, the home, you know, the cycle and you're buying your cycle is still there. but the background level increase of temperatures is dominating and it is continuing to shift at climate as to to, to continue. we have to set them. so i cannot stress that. so the northern hemisphere period is the sum of period is, is being dominated by the loss of say,

us across the normal paul. hm. so, and so i was a patient with the mass at which will amplified a signal. but there are more than one signal that we should pay attention to. more than one part of the guidelines that is exhibit a stress at the moment of the ocean temperature and always r a c, a range in time. so it's very hard to say any part of the bible life is 70 percent of the service of the globe where we are saying anything of the normal is as everyone keeps saying, we're counting on the top 10 parent tree here. now dorothy, you mentioned that a lot of the propaganda that's been shed around the idea of as global warming. a lot of people obviously have their own invested interest to catherine. i want to ask you, do you think sophistic stream whether now is convincing people that climate change

with people who perhaps didn't think that climate change was a real threat is changing their minds and do people genuinely think that the extreme weather that we're seeing is due to climate change and therefore actually adapting their behavior to adults to that when 10 steps at least what we hope, at least i think i do want him to see what the extreme events you see there on the not being causing any notice about damage. i know it was the found amount of testing effects through our economy, leasing in going in societies and in the adapt teacher. this is a political mandate. this is a political question. that is, is undeniable whether or not still is in charge for the lease is up to, pertaining to climate change or not, i guess is, is yes, are going to be made by what we see, at least in previous, is the smashed debate that kind of change out of patient is me a task that is us to run the global south to small island states that are being

even dated by senior vice and so forth. but the extreme events we're seeing in the northern hemisphere as fast now back to the question and the speed of the government action also in european countries in north american countries and, and really across the receiving spectrum, reading to view your assets and accelerate their adaptation measures of taking a couple of examples in germany, the floods that were close to the very that the cost of the, the, to the federal government in the federal government layer suited to be yours. we need the cost of change a change of mind or who is responsible for actually trying to prevent these damages . the wife drives that we've seen that recently, such as the compliance in 2018. just wanted to verify us both of them costs $20000000000.00 in, in, in damage. we got really unprecedented events. and if you were to put that money into preventing these events in the future, that would obviously saves you a lot of money. and we don't see that the things are etc, etc. kind of change adaptation plans. comprehension was in place across for the

city today. they are trying to accelerate and mainstream their, their extra implementation by setting concrete targets. so now we're not just saying we need to increase ours and you've received. this is the number of people we need to say 5000. so was just by 2050 some. so you never buy a house when you're holding that about at taishan plans, right? in terms of dealing with the impacts of climate change. dorothy, given that now that we're seeing so much impact on the global north, all you sensing a greater sense of urgency in terms of dealing with climate challenges. and i'm not just talking about a patient here, but mitigations are trying to reduce emissions or all the sectors of climate action . yes, um 1st i, you say the 3 now are we have lost a decade or 2 in action and the patients. and now that people the see and experiencing directly, the investment climate change, which has been experienced by people in the global cell or the global majority,

be fine longer than what you're experiencing here in hearing the noise, there is a change of attitude, but then the same by we need to increase the understanding that when we see slots on t v, we also have to think of our, our planet footprints, and then also for policy makers and governments. they need to prepare for events beyond current records, but equally between both by and drop agenda. climate change enhancing the probability of big screen so now planning should be made on the extremes. and then you also mentioned about how the global north and south can corporate on these numbers be. so the that would be, there must be, there must be also that's why we are doing the, the competing here with the u. k. for our government to put more of climate finance on the table to to do more than usual and not to backtrack. what's gonna be to me it's, i think that is very, very important. because even if one of the household level,

we understand that we need to set to get our waste, or we need to couple of electricity use or degrees electricity use that will not be is because what is important is for the huge and historic give me those to cut the missions for corporations to stop profit thing. so on the, on the shoulders of people from the south and also on the bus on climate. so i think those are the import, the understanding that we need to come in to start here. we just like i told him that about us and planning for extremes. bryant and catherine, you mentioned that at that time could be running out john, i want to ask you a question around global comment dynamics that we're seeing. we obviously know that usually into the and we're talking about the sea ice, an ocean warming, for instance, we know that one climate impact will have an impact on another, creating a sort of vicious cycle, so to speak. when we've talked about tipping points in the past, so a point to which we get into

a space that is it reversible. people have often dismiss that as, as being dramatic. how close are we to a tipping point now, john? look good. what i'm having to talk about cascading and compounding events on not as confident about understanding and being able to tell that story about tipping points. um, did you want to go to this planet? that's quite a different story because that is helping people give up. i think what we need to concentrate on probable futures that we can envisage within a decade on time. and what i can tell you at this point in time is that we are saying the barrio for us. so the northern hemisphere but not a rise, that is of course and then and that will cascade in some more hates and. busy damaging smoke events that will lead to bad health outcomes. we cannot,

we should tell is still. busy or is that or more immediate should get a response because i have immediate consequences that we've had installed. and if we address those that will work on reversing those, the final repair in putting in place on a repair that will hold back on so yard. so pull back on a sign, we have to start the barrio far as for betting. um, because as i spike the putting it must also. yeah. so um and multiple um ball top. com pounds. the one site makes when the normal episode of prices, we end up with troubles for account design, which is toxic to table. a strong way to know the days of media tomorrow. so we need to address anyway address size. we're addressing the full things that can push

us towards that tipping points and so on. your spoke that about this notion of climate repair, which is really this idea that there are steps that we can take to try to revise some of of what we've done. so far, now, obviously that would require huge amount of resources, but not only that, a huge amount of political well, and i want to talk a little bit about political will. here. we're heading towards cop 28th, the 28th conference of the parties to be one frame, a conventional climate change as nearly 3 decades of talking. and we're now living through the outcome of the 3 decades will nearly 3 decades of tools that huge land long paris agreement in 2015. a lot of people said that was only really possible because we saw by that for the agreement between the 2 largest dimensions in the wild, china and the us the before. we know in the last few days, but the special time it in boy from the us, john kerry has been in china having discussions that catherine, let me throw this one to what did you make of the turn of those discussions, especially as we had now to with another conference of the parties are nearby

when at least we can see that they want us instead of their other risk. secondary critics traits a calibration rich, a 5 and focus on climate and get to get sort of their minds together and negotiate what they can, what they can both put to the table at the call and hopefully that you see an outcome. but we all know it's not about another negotiation. we all know that it's about actually the, the, the, the, the pairs agreement, easy tools and all the countries that we talk about to use these bases are looking behind the target. so i think it's about him can i think there click mention incrementing or reaching get targets to to net 0 sort of closer to the 2 of them. but it sort of commitment that countries are following schultz, of as, as we speak today. dorothea, i want to ask you a little bit more about the china dynamics there because there is some hopes that

that things might shift as we go forward. and obviously china is also living through a huge heat wave in the north and, and experiencing extreme with the flooding and a huge amount of storms in the south. at the same time, the china has doubled down on coal. and even these heat waves, it actually will basically ended up using little cold because of air conditioning. and i know that the energy infrastructure in china is really designed to be dependent on call. now, at the same time, almost paradoxically, china has also been huge. we scaling on renewables and we know the renewables and become a lot cheaper, a lot more widespread around the world. but that's not necessarily been because of the reasons you've been pushing for dorothy, but because it's, it makes more financial sense. so let me ask you, then, does this give you hope that things might be changing? perhaps not for the reasons that that you've been pushing for, but that they aren't changing. it was, it is good. the kid country is like the us in china i discussing because they do need to cooperate and they need to show climate paper sheep. but we have to

understand this. well, that's the countries like the u. s. u. k. companies in europe, a historic event. this all the time a, so a huge and you 3 to start the historic meter. and it's good that you have also mentioned that the compared to all the rest of the western or northern countries on china is use of renewable now. so far, all it's to everyone, everyone else is using renew, but more than all the other countries. and it's, and also because of its, rolled in producing solar panels the, those, the prices in the developing countries also reduce because of that role. so i think in china play an important role is one thing about china. you should also understand the steps when it puts a plan. it plans long term because i've been following china since 2005 after leap i have read in the region them develop into that these are 5 your program. when

they plan, they put 25 years or 10 years, and when they do that they nor monday deliver because there is a consensus, the consistency and the government. unlike in the u. s. o, the by then they'll put the us back on climate leadership. but then he has a problem convincing the congress to, to also follow his commitment. so there is that big difference. and also many of the west and countries rely on business to do whatever they want to do. so in this case is just one session needs also a bit, the planning from the government and also ownership of those crucial. and the district was because you con, regularly, anything that you don't owe. and so there needs to be a bigger role for governments in his kinds of, of, of steps, initials and, and that's a, as in john kerry also mentioned that they will not pay compensation or reparations . the global search that has always been the u. s. line. and us position, we just actually met commensurate their historic role and,

and unfortunately that's, that's what has always been designed. so when we did the lawson damage that happened in, in egypt because of the unity of the south and governments for so though the history of the call is a history of back tracking of delay or move on, denying to responsibility and obligation. so the northern countries, so i think at this time now the they deliver it this time now that for, for big fossil fuel companies also the search question. this is equity. yeah. send that. not by non, i do want to begin to feel, i'm sorry dorothy, i do want to throw a last question, had to john because within the political landscape that we currently live in and seeing what we're seeing now in terms of extreme weather around the world. that has been increasing tool of g o engineering this idea of trying to reduce some of the impacts of, of what we've done to our planet. so for instance,

flying planes up and choosing vapor into the skies and block out some of the, some ideas like that. now, for a long time, a lot of that was discussed almost as a science fiction, but i see that both the white house and the you actually now taken very seriously. they made formal statements, not it just over the last few weeks or so don't what is your take on that? do you think that it's, it's a legitimate, interesting idea. all the other questions of equity, whether or not is this the last resort? have we come to that this extraordinary diverse audience? i mean, because it will probably because we're experimenting with the time and of course i already experimenting with a home buying anything so much so. yeah. so when we know that it's bad for us, and there's actually quite a simple lives that we saw amazing, so you know, so yeah, another experimented regatta has been doing that as very defensive in the amatory well known. and they have as far as sizes by regatta be a pull mass choice. it's,

it's an engineer's choice and we've had engineers. how big is the outside of the state for many like for tom? i think the, the it isn't it another experiment and then yes, you couldn't hypothesize it, it might be a solution, but i don't know how to do that with my time. and the, the other aspects of that is that people talk about this and the stuff to get to look like green washing. and i haven't done like the, all the sections that we can put in place right now as if you decide to go wake up by ourselves more time. and to be on a, that's a fallacy. even if we could quote, tens of thousands of a crowd into the listing that much a dustin to the american difference, that's a huge on enterprise. we don't have the sort of business structure to leave that

much into the liar. they have to say to my different and on i would say one of the gloves to do it. and then as you say, we're already living through the impacts of our previous experiments on this planet . i'm afraid we'll have to leave it that for today, but thank you to all of our guests. catherine down puts on then and dorothy guerrero and thank you to for watching. remember, you can watch this program again any time by visiting our website that's out there a dot com for further discussion to goes well facebook page, that's facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. remember, you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is as a inside story for me, this nonsense, hey, and the whole team here and are home by the the

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