miles, england at scotland still very holds across no other parts of africa, with more big showers for much of west africa pushing quest. after world war 2, fronts has great empire began to run ramos and vietnam to most of the statements. as soon as the st besting with joy kissing each other. and algeria, she lives in the shingle as a spit, even though chinese managed to beat the french army. why not die? the decline continues an episode to us legends, his french t colonization on outages era. the northern hemisphere is witnessing unprecedented shades, floods and fires. defects of climate change and now happening quicker than scientists had predicted. so what all the dangers of these erotic weather patterns

and how do we keep safe? 5th inside story, the how are there and welcome to the program on this dante, now from record breaking hate waste over wanting floods. extreme weather conditions are causing death and destruction around the wild. animals and hemisphere. summit has been marked by scorching hays and health warnings from southern europe to asia, while these conditions are not necessarily new, they all the coming new, frequent 110th, and in many cases, what disastrous united nations as a global warming is fueling this affecting everything from ecosystems to mass of migration. so what should governments do and how might we reverse some of the damage? we'll put those questions to i guess shortly you put fast this report from katya

lopez. hold on. water is a luxury in the senegalese village for years, a dangerous combination of high temperatures and little rain has been dry lands and desperate communities the part of the a. we can't use our one well for gardening because then we won't have enough water to drink. then need a 2nd well for crops to feed ourselves and perhaps even sell vegetables for us about. similar situations are becoming more common across continents. as global warming intensifies the un says the droughts have become nearly 30 percent more frequent since the year 2000. the report shows they will likely get worse in the future and less longer. the extreme weather is having disastrous consequences, hotter and dryer. somers in greece has made it more difficult to obtain. while players like this one north of athens and italy's capital and across

southern europe, the record breaking heat waves are reaching dangerous levels for people like mammals. he's 90 years old. this alone is what i mean. no, i'm not too worried about myself. i'm all worried about homeless people out on the street. the heat is also unbearable in parts of northern mexico. asylum seekers in the border city of level that a little faced tough conditions with little protection from the scorching 43 degree heat. pump it up, you know, spoke up with that to contact the main thing. cause we mean, do we need to drink cold beverages constantly to adjust our body temperature. but most of the day we feel low in energy and dehydration. my daughter has lips is severely chopped, even though i give her a volume of water and cranes in countries like india, the challenge is different. the period of heavy rain has caused the banks of the river to burst. now, flooding around the taj mahal in the city and nearby neighborhoods is boring,

locals and visitors a like what else and a level the guy were afraid that house is might get damaged from we can't sleep at night because we're worried to walter level. we'll keep rising and hold up on the environmental activists agree. the need to address extreme weather conditions is urgent, but more pressing. they say is for governments to implement measures that can prevent them from happening. katia lopez with a young for insight story the well that's not bringing a guess in paris. we have catherine gamba, she needs the walk on climate change at a patient at the organization for economic cooperation and development in geneva, we have joined in, he's a senior extreme, he's advisor at the wells mutual, jekyll organization. as in kent and the united kingdom, dorothy guerrero, head of policy and advocacy at global justice now and non governmental organization,

which campaigns on issues of development in the global south. a very, very well welcome to you. well, thanks for joining us today on inside story. john, let me start with you. we knew this was coming, but did it perhaps happen a little bit quicker than we expected to be? honestly, the think that we're seeing and the supporting it a quite consistent with the advice that we've seen on the, on page. they say the problem that we are facing, particularly in the northern hemisphere, is the damage to the north pole. the lack of ice is resulting in an almost woman and that we're getting the jet stream and resulting in patterns that locked in where the pads during the summer particular. and the system patterns we play rock and scars. and it's all like lines that are delivering, delivering new st wise. one of the problem that was say, the how the system trusts which of the makes sitting next to they say, why,

where are we saying the assistant stalls and very heavy right. o and side of these types of sit side by side, we're sitting in the, in this very energetic tom and the, the, the assistant extreme hayes and the systems. any rifle is john, you were just saying that this is not far off from i p c. c. productions the i p c c being the expert panel on climate change that's been looking into this for many years. and katherine, if we knew this was coming when we prepared that is a very good question indeed. and a s s strongly just saying that what we're seeing today is very consistent with what the obviously sees telling us any text. yeah, cuz she things turning as if we are looking at a $4.00 degree, both in going forwards 80 percent of the work, she might be subjects to extreme sheets. so what we're seeing now may not be what we need to expect in the future. the future might actually become quite torres and

even to be expected to for me to happen cities around the world and having just for are you prepared for it? so only now after consecutive use of extreme ext off exposure to extreme heat waste . cities like paris, london, new york, those entities are getting into the gear, actually preparing for reducing going, but it will take time, some of the dimensions that the b can take. for example, i mentioned sizing cities are changing the design of states. these are not precious that can help us to increase temperatures from today to tomorrow. in the meantime, we need to protect multiple people, but they are there are measures, for example in melbourne, varies deep the, their extreme p class for these to be glad to seek these national forests by 2052 degrees step to decrease the urban heat on the fact by 4 degrees by 2050. but again, as you can see, it may take time to actually take action in the us. the warehouse extreme need

that's actually cooling begins into re matching houses, poor houses with the operator to exceed in store most that can help us bring temperatures down in the sixty's and we're upgrading energy and transport infrastructure so that we're confronted with less failure to increase their resilience going forward under extreme heat conditions. but one of these takes time and we're getting late interaction, takes time and takes money. i want to get into some of the outpatient strategies in, in just a moment. but let me just bring darth and to there's a discussion here because you dorothy have been part of a movement that's been campaigning around these issues for decades. really. how are you feeling now as you watch? climate predictions unfold in reality. knowing the, the choices that governments and corporations and individuals have made to get us to this point. you know, thank you. and especially for having made this focus. yes, indeed, governments of corporations and osmond government. the not for profit organizations

are all aware that time of change is happening and that is happening faster than the predicted then to the government pine, the loan plan to change hub is now under the 6 report last year old. and we'll do that through of meetings of governments. we'll do the development balance and trade blocks. big saw me, it's like the world. he cannot make full hub, put climate change in the top to concerns and all the meetings. but despite that, governments fail to do climate actions that are common show a to the challenge as they are still following to say, develop is more, they'll go through with that model that are, have after the create that this crisis. and then on the other hand, corporations, especially those of arctic stuff, think fossil fuels. so gas on cold have spent beckett's been the climate change is happening. and in fact, they even have the in house club experts. but despite knowing that, and despite all the accurate uh for um, forecast and studies, sometime a change,

they have denied it in now that they have lost the debate, the actions, the programs that they're putting on the table are not appropriate for the, for the child to a pacing it's, it's more business than usual so that they can continue profiting. we have seen the profits of big fossil fuel corporations. wasting historic levels last the rich historic level of the 1st quarter of the year. so shell even said that they are going back there could be mets being made to their shareholders to use it. busy so that means they're not ready to put appropriate actions. they wanted to continue profiting for many. well, i'm sorry, you were just mentioning something that around climate denial of service, i just want to clarify something thing for us for our view is as well. and i want to direct steps to john, because i believe we've already hit temperature rise above baseline levels from the 1900s of around 1.16 degrees celsius. and we also know that this is the beginning

of a number of years of el nino 2, which is confusing. and we know that that could push us over that 1.5 degree very critical threshold. how much of what we're seeing right now. john is used to climate change and how much do use it on your that's a very good question. i know we looked at it so the average level temperature did help us gone policy markets. and we have seen the global temperature also i, j. so i mean, yeah, and only in your influences. but what, what we've also saying is that bias launch shifted. so now um, normally knowing your results in a warm and long low, i mean, yeah, a cooler period. but what we've seen in the last 3 years of law, i mean, yeah, i'd love to leverage temperatures that high uh, then they own in your global average temperatures of the ninety's. so the,

the home, you know, the inside of cycle young in your body, your cycle is still there. but the background level increases the temperatures dillman 19 and it is continuing to shift at climate as to to, to continually upset though. so i cannot stress that of the northern hemisphere period of the summer period is this being dominated by the loss of sea ice across the north pole. so and so i was a patient with a mass which will amplified a signal, but there are more than one signal that we should pay attention to. more than one part of the guidelines, it is exhibiting stress of the ocean temperature and always r a c, a range in time. so it's very hard to say any part of the bible life is 70 percent

of the service of the blog where we are saying anything of the normal is as everyone keeps saying, we're counting on the top 10 parent tree here. now dorothy, you mentioned that a lot of the propaganda that's been shed around the idea of a is global warming. a lot of people obviously have a lot invested interest to catherine. i want to ask you, do you think that this extreme weather now is convincing people that climate change with people who perhaps didn't think that climate change was a real threat is changing their minds and do people genuinely think that the extreme weather that we're seeing is due to climate change and therefore actually adapting their behavior to adults to that when 10 steps at least what we hope, at least i think i do want him to see what the extreme events you see today or i'll deny be causing any notice of my damage i know it was the found amount of testing

effects through our economy, leasing in going in societies and, and they need adapt teacher. this is a political mandate. this is a political question. that is, is undeniable whether or not still is in charge. belief is to pertaining to climate change or not, i guess is, is yes, are already made by what we see at least in previous is that was masturbate. the climate change out of patient is me a task that is us to run the global south to small island states that are being even dated by senior vice and so forth. but the extreme events we're seeing in the northern hemisphere as fast now back to the question in the speed of the government action. also in european countries, in northern american countries and, and really across the receiving spectrum, reading to view your assets and accelerate their adaptation measures of taking a couple of examples in germany. the floods that were close to the very that the cost of the, the, to the federal government in the federal government layer suited to be yours. we

need us the cost of change a change of mind or who is responsible for actually trying to prevent these damages . the wife drives that we've seen that recently, such as the compliance in 2018. just wanted to verify us both of them costs $20000000000.00 in, in, in damage. we got really unprecedented events. and if you were to put that money into preventing these events in the future, that would obviously save you a lot of money. and we don't see that the things are etc, etc. kind of change adaptation plans. comprehension was in place across for the city today. they are trying to accelerate and mainstream their, their extra instrumentation by setting concrete targets. so now we're not just saying we need to increase ours and you've received. this is the number of people we need to say, 5000. so was just by 2016. so you never buy a house when you're talking that about at taishan plans, right? in terms of dealing with the impacts of climate change. dorothy given that now that we're seeing so much impact on the global north. all you sensing

a gracious sense of urgency in terms of dealing with climate challenges. and i'm not just talking about a patient here, but mitigations are trying to reduce emissions or all the sectors of climate action . yes, um 1st i, you say the 3 now are we have lost a decade or 2 in action and up the patient. and now that people to see and experiencing directly, the investment climate change, which has been experienced by people in the global cell or the global majority, be fine longer than what you're experiencing here. and here in the north, there is a change of attitude, but then the same thing we need to increase the understanding of when we see slots on t v. we also have to think of our, our planet footprints, and then also for policy makers and governments. they need to prepare for the advance beyond government records, particularly with trends costs by under projected climate change enhancing the

probability of big streams. so now planning should be made on the extremes. and then you also mention about how the global north and south can corporate with these numbers be. so the that would be, there must be, there must be also, that's why we are doing the, the combining here with the u. k. for our government to put more of climate finance on the table to to do more than the new schwab and not the back track. what's gonna be the next? i think that is very, very important. because even if one of the household level, we understand that we need to segregate our waste, or we need to couple of electricity use or degrees and the present to use that will not be is because what is in port that is for the huge and historic give me those 2 cost emissions for corporations to stop profit thing um on the, on the shoulders of people from the south and also on the back apply meant. so i think those are the important understanding that we need to come in to start here.

we just like i told him that about us and planning for extremes. right. and catherine, you mentioned that at that time could be running out john i, i want to ask you a question around global climate dynamics that we're seeing. the obviously, you know, that's usually into the and, and we're talking about the sea ice, an ocean warming, for instance. we know that one climate impact will have an impact on another, creating a sort of vicious cycle, so to speak. when we've talked about tipping points in the past, so a point to which we get into a space that is a reversible people have often dismiss that as, as being is a dramatic how close only to a tipping point. now john, look good. what i'm having talked about cascading and compounding events. i'm not as confident about understanding and being able to tell a story about tipping points if you want to go to this planet, that's quite a different story because that is helping people give up. i think what we need to

concentrate on probable futures that we can envisage within a decade on time. and what i can tell you at this point in time is that we're saying the barrio for us. so the northern hemisphere, but at a rise, that is of course and then and that will cascade in some more hates and more damaging smoke events that will lead to bad health outcomes. we cannot, we should tell these stories that are more immediate, should get a response because i have immediate consequences that we can install. and if we address those, we'll work on reversing those, the final repair in putting in place on a repair that will hold back on c ard. so pull back on a sign. we have to start the barrio far as for betting. um,

because as i spike the putting it must also. yeah. so um and multiple um ball top. com pounds. the one site makes when the normal episode of prices, we end up with troubles for account design, which is toxic to table. a strong way to know the days of media that we need to address anyway, address size, we're addressing the full things that can push us towards that tipping points and so on. your spoke that about this notion of climate repair, which is really this idea that there are steps that we can take to try to revise some of of what we've done so far. now obviously that would require huge amount of resources, but not only that, a huge amount of political well, and i want to talk a little bit about political. well here we're heading towards cop $28.00. the 28th conference of the parties to be one frame of conventional climate change as nearly 3 decades of talking. and we're now living through the outcome of the 3 decades

will nearly 3 decades of tools. that's huge. land, long paris agreement in 2015. a lot of people said that was only really possible because we saw by that for the agreement between the 2 largest emissions and the wild china and the us the before. we know in the last few days, but the special time it in boy from the us, john kerry has been in china having discussions that catherine, let me throw this one too. what did you make of the turn of those discussions, especially as we had now to with another conference of the parties are nearby or when that is what we can see that they want us since there are other risk secondary critics traits, a calibration rich, a 5 and focus on climate and get to get sort of their minds together and negotiate what they can, what they can both put to the table at the call, and hopefully that yields an outcome. but we all know it's not about another negotiation. we all know that it's about the action b, b does the,

the powers agreement, easy tools, and all the countries that we talk about to use these bases are looking behind the target. so i think it's about implementing their clinic mentioned, incrementing or reaching get targets to, to net 0 sort of closer to the 2 of them. but it sort of commitment that countries are following schultz, of as, as we speak today. dorothea, i want to ask you a little bit more about the china dynamics there because there is some hopes that that things might shift as we go forward. and obviously china is also living through a huge heat wave in the north and, and experiencing it stream with the flooding and a huge amount of storms in the south. at the same time, the china has doubled down on coal. and even these heat waves that actually will basically ended up using little cold because of air conditioning. and i know that the energy infrastructure in china is really designed to be dependent on call. now, at the same time, almost paradoxically,

china has also been huge. we scaling up renewables and we know the renewables and become a lot cheaper, a lot more widespread around the world. but that's not necessarily been because of the reasons you've been pushing for dorothy, but because it's, it makes more financial sense. so let me ask you, then does this give you hope that things might be changing? perhaps not for the reasons that that you've been pushing for, but that they aren't changing to what it is. good. the key countries like the us in china discussing because they do need to cooperate and they need to show calamity to ship. but we have to understand this. well that's, that's come to select the u. s. u k. countries in europe or historic and it does all the try and like so we're huge in the 3 to start the historic meter. and it's good that you have also mentioned that the compared to all the rest of the western or northern countries on china. this use of renewable now, so far out states everyone, everyone else is using renew,

but more than all the other countries. and it's, and also because it's ruled in producing solar panels the, those, the practice in the developing countries also reduce because of the rules. so i think in china play an important role. and one thing about china, you should also understand the steps when it puts a plan, it plans long term because i've been following china since 2005 after leap i have read in the region them develop into that is a 5 year program when they plan they put 25 years or 10 years, and when they do that they normally deliver because there is a consensus, think consistency in the government. unlike in the u. s. o, the by then they'll put the us by employment leadership. but then he has a problem convincing the good the congress to, to also follow his commitment. so there is that big difference. and then also many of the west and countries rely on business to do what they were they want to do. so in, in this case is just one session needs also bid applauding from the government and

also ownership of those crucial. and the district was because you comp regularly anything that you don't owe. and so there needs to be a bigger role for governments in these kinds of, of, of steps, initials and, and that's a, as in john kerry also mentioned that they will not pay compensation or reparation. the global search that has always been the u. s. line. and us position, we just actually met commensurate the, their historic role and, and unfortunately that's, that's what has always been design. so when we did lawson damage that happened in, in egypt because of the unity of the southern governments. for so though the history of the call is a history of backtracking, or did they move on denying for responsibility on the big show? so the northern countries, so i think at this time now the they deliver it this time now that for, for big fossil fuel companies also the search question,

the equity. yeah. send that not by nonce. i do want to begin to, well, i'm sorry dorothy, i do want to throw a last question, had to john because within the political landscape that we currently live in and seeing what we're seeing now in terms of extreme weather around the world that has been increasing talk of g o engineering, this idea of trying to reduce some of the impacts of, of what we've done to our planet. so for instance, flying planes often choosing vapor into the sky and broke out some of the sun ideas like that. now, for a long time, a lot of that was discussed almost as a science fiction, but i see that both the white house and the you actually now taking very seriously, they made formal statements, not it just over the last few weeks or so don't what is will take on that. do you think that it's, it's a legitimate, interesting idea. all the other questions of equity, whether or not it is a last resort, how we come to that this extraordinary diverse audience. it may be called,

well, probably because we're experimenting with the time and i've cost, i've already experimenting with a home buying anything so much so yard. so when we noted that is bad for us and there's actually quite a simple lives that we saw amazing. see on, so it's yet another experimented regatta has been doing that as very defensive in the amatory well known in the have as far as science has never gotten to be a whole man's choice. so it's, it's an engineer's choice and we've had engineers how things they are outside of they have us do for me. i liked the time, i think the, the it isn't it another experiment and yes, you could almost size it, it might be a solution, but i don't know how to do that with my time. and the, the, the other aspects of that is that people talk about this and it starts to get to

look like green washing. and i haven't done like the, all the sections that we can put in place right now, as if you decide to do, we're going to buy ourselves more time. and to be on a, that's a fallacy. even if we could put tens of thousands of a craft into the listing that much dustin to the american difference, that's a huge on enterprise. we don't have the sort of business process to lose that much into the liar of the state of mind. different and on i would say one of the gloves to do it. and then as you say, we're already living through the impacts of our previous experiments on this planet . i'm afraid we'll have to leave it that for today, but thank you to all of our guest. katherine down puts on then and dorothy guerrero and thank you to for watching. remember, you can watch this program again any time by visiting our website that's out of there a dot com for further discussion do goes well facebook page,

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