that's tending to push up towards southern parts of pakistan. central based composite focused on also seeing some what the weather is. we make our way through sunday, the after world war 2 fronts has great empire began to run ramos in vietnam to most of the people who use time and size and the street the best thing with joy kissing each other. and algeria, she lives in the shingle as a split, even though chinese managed to beat the french army. why not die? the decline continues an episode to us legends, his french t colonization on al jazeera of the northern hemisphere, is witnessing unprecedented states floods and fires defective climate change, and now happening quicker than scientists had predicted. so what all the dangers of these erotic weather patterns and how do we keep safe?

5th is inside the how are there and welcome to the program on this dante, now from record breaking hate waste of alarming floods. extreme weather conditions are causing death and destruction around the wild. and then moving hemisphere summit has been marked by scorching hays and health warnings from southern europe to asia. while these conditions are not necessarily new, they all becoming new, frequent contents. and in many cases, what disastrous united nations says that global warming is feeling this affecting everything from ecosystems to mass migration. so what should governments do, and how might we reverse some of the damage? we'll put those questions to i guess shortly you put fast. this report from katya

lopez. hold on. water is a luxury in the senegalese village for years, a dangerous combination of high temperatures and little rain has been dry lands and desperate community. the part of the a we can't use our one well for gardening, because then we won't have enough water to drink, then need a 2nd well for crops to feed ourselves and perhaps even sell vegetables for us about similar situations are becoming more common across confidence. as global warming intensifies, the un says the droughts have become nearly 30 percent more frequent since the year 2000. the report shows they will likely get worse in the future and less longer. the extreme weather is having disastrous consequences hotter and dry. your somers in greece has made it more difficult to obtain. wildfires like this one north of athens in italy's capital and across southern europe. record breaking heat waves

are reaching dangerous levels for people like mammals. he's 90 years old. this alone. what i mean? no, i'm not too worried about myself. i'm more worried about homeless people out on the street. the heat is also unbearable in parts of northern mexico. asylum seekers in the border city of riverside, a little faced tough conditions with little protection from the scorching 43 degree heat. pump it up, you know, the point of contact, the main thing cause we mean that we need to drink cold beverages constantly to adjust to a body temperature, but most of the day we feel low in energy and dehydration. my daughter slips is severely chopped, even though i give her bottom and water and cranes in countries like india, the challenge is different. a period of heavy rain has caused the banks of the river to burst. now, flooding around the touch, my home in the city and nearby neighborhoods is boring,

locals and visitors alike. but also the level, the guy we're afraid to house is, might get damaged to come. we can't sleep at night because we're worried, the water level will keep rising and hold off. one of the environmental active disagree. the need to address extreme weather conditions is urgent, but more pressing. they say is for governments to implement measures that can prevent them from happening, katia lopez, so the young for insights story the well that's not bringing a guess in paris. we have catherine gamba, she needs the walk on the climate change at a patient at the organization for economic cooperation and development in geneva, we have joined in, he's a senior extreme, he's advisor at the wells mutual, jekyll organization. as in kent and the united kingdom, dorothy guerrero, head of policy and advocacy at global justice, now a non governmental organization which campaigns on issues of development in the

global south. a very, very well and welcome to you. well, thanks for joining us today on inside story. john, let me start with you. we knew this was coming, but did it perhaps happen a little bit quicker than we expected? well, to be honest, the, the big that we're seeing and the, instead of supporting it a quite consistent with his boss that we've seen from the on piece a sign. the problem that we have sizing, particularly in the northern hemisphere, is the damage to the north pole. the lack of ice is resulting in a normal woman and that we're getting the jet stream and resulting and it happens that log in where the it's during the summer and just take a look at the system patterns with clear skies. and it's all like lines that are delivering, delivering new st wise. one of the problem that was say, the how the system trusts which of the makes sitting next to they say, why,

where are we saying the assistant stalls and very heavy right. o and side of these types of sit side by side. we're sitting in the, in this very energetic tom. yeah. the, the assistant extreme hayes and the systems. any rifle is john, you were just saying that this is not far off from i p c. c protections, b i p c c being the expert panel on climate change that's been looking into this for many years. and katherine, if we knew this was coming when we prepared that is a very good question indeed. and a s as strongly just saying that what we're seeing today is very consistent with what the obviously, steve's telling us any text. yeah. just using starting at 6, we are looking at a $4.00 degree in going forward. 80 percent of the reflection might be subjects to extreme heat. so what we're seeing now may not be what we need to expect in the future. the future might actually become quite torres and even to be expected to

slowly to have cities around the world and having just for are you prepared for it? so only now after consecutive use of extreme ext off exposure to extreme heat waste . cities like paris, london, new york, those entities are getting into the gear, actually preparing for reducing going, but it will take time. some of the dimensions that we can take. for example, i mentioned sizing cities are changing, the design of cities are not precious that can help us increase temperatures from today to tomorrow. in the meantime, we need to protect multiple people, but they are, there are measures, for example in melbourne, varies d, the their extreme p class for these to be glad to seek these. who knows a horse by 2052 degrees stepped to decrease the urban heat on the 2nd by 4 degrees by 2050. but again, as you can see, it may take time to actually take action in the us. the white house extremely 916

corn, billions into re making houses, poor houses with the operator to exceed in store. most that can help us bring temperatures down in the sixty's and we're upgrading energy and transport infrastructure so that we're confronted with less failure to increase their resilience going forward under extreme heat conditions. but one of these takes time and we're getting late interaction, takes time and takes money. i want to get into some of the outpatient strategies and in just a moment. but let me just bring darcy into there's a discussion here because you dorothy have been part of a movement that's been campaigning around these issues for decades. really. how are you feeling now as you watch climate predictions on fold in reality, knowing the, the choices that governments and corporations and individuals have made to get us to this point. you know, thank you. and especially for having made this focus. yes, indeed, governments of corporations and osmond government, the not for profit organizations are all aware that time of change is happening and

that it's all happening faster than the predicted. then through government pine loan plan to change hub is now under the 6 report last year old. and we'll do that through of meetings of governments will do dr. development banks and try blocks. big saw me, it's like the will because i make full have put climate change in the top to concerns and all the meetings. but despite that, governments fail to do climate actions that are common show a to the challenge. and they are still following to say developers more, they'll go through with that model that are have after the create that describes this. and then on the other hand, corporations, especially those of arctics trusting fossil fuels. so gas on coal have spent beckett's denying that climate change is happening. in fact, they even have the in house climate experts. but despite knowing that and despite was accurate for um, forecast and studies, since i'm a change,

they have denied it in now that they have lost the debate, the actions, the programs that they're putting on the table are not appropriate for the, for the child to a pacing it's, it's more business than usual so that they can continue profiting. we have seen the profits of big fossil fuel corporations reaching historic levels last the rich historic level of the 1st quarter of the year. so shell even said that they are going back there could be mets being made to their shareholders to use it. busy so that means they're not ready to put appropriate actions. they wanted to continue profiting for many. well, i'm sorry, you were just mentioning something that around climate denial of service, i just want to clarify something thing for us for our view is as well. and i want to direct steps to john, because i believe we've already hit temperature rise above baseline levels from the 1900s of around 1.16 degrees celsius. and we also know that this is the beginning

of a number of years of el nino 2, which is confusing. and we know that that could push us over that 1.5 degree very critical threshold. how much of what we're seeing right now. john is used to climate change and how much do use it on media? that's a very good question. um we know we look at the side of the average level temperature to help us god policy. mike is and we have seen the global temperature also i chose a lot, i mean, yeah. and only in your influences. but what, what we've also saying is that the baseline shifted. so now um, normally knowing your results in a woman line law mean yeah. a cooler period, but what we've seen in the last 3 years of law, i mean, yeah. i'd love to leverage temperatures that high. uh, then they own needing your global average temperature. so the ninety's. so the,

the home, you know, the so, sorry, probably, i mean you're buying your cycle is still the bottom, the background level increase of temperatures, dillman 19. and it is continuing to shift at climate as to, to, to continue. we have a set though, so i can only stress that. so the northern hemisphere here it is. um, the summer period is this being dominated by the loss of say, aust, across the north pole. uh, so and sideways, a patient with a mess which will provide a signal. but there are more than one signal that we should pay attention to. more than one part of the line that is exhibiting stress. at the moment of the ocean temperature anomalies are see already in time. so it's very hard to say any

part of the bible life is 70 percent of the service of the globe where we are saying anything of the normal is as everyone keeps saying, we're standing on the top 10 parent tree here. now dorothy, you mentioned that a lot of the propaganda that's been shed around the idea of, of global warming. a lot of people obviously have their own invested interest to catherine. i want to ask you, do you think that this extreme weather now is convincing people that climate change with people who perhaps didn't think that kind of change was a real threat is changing their minds and the people genuinely think that the extreme weather that we're seeing is due to climate change and therefore actually adapting their behavior to adults to that when 10 steps at least what we hope, at least i think i do want him to see what the extreme events you see today or i'll deny be causing any notice about damage i know it was the found amount of testing

effects through our economy, leasing in going in societies and in the adapt teacher. this is a political mandate. this is a political question that is, is undeniable. whether or not still is in charge. belief is a to pertaining to climate change or not, i guess is, is yes, are already made by what we see, at least in previous use that was smashed debates that kind of change out of patient is me a task that is that to run the global south to small states that are being even dated by senior vice and so forth. but the extremely minutes we're seeing in the northern hemisphere as fast now back to the question in the speed of the government action. also in european countries, in northern american countries and, and really across the receiving spectrum leading to pure assets and accelerate their adaptation measures of taking a couple of examples in germany to floods that were close to the already that the cost of the, the, to the federal government in the federal government layer suited to be yours. we

need the cost of change a change of mind or who is responsible for actually trying to prevent these damages . the wife drives that we've seen that recently, such as the compliance in 2018, just wanted to verify as both of them costs $20000000000.00 in, in, in damage. we got really unprecedented events. and if you were to put that money into preventing these events in the future, that would obviously saves you a lot of money and we don't see that the things are etc, etc. kind of change adaptation plans. comprehension was in place across for the city today. they are trying to accelerate and mainstream their, their extra instrumentation by setting concrete targets. so now we're not just saying we need to increase ours and you've received, this is the number of people we need to say 5000. so was like 2050 some so you never buy a house when you're talking that about at taishan plans, right. in terms of dealing with the impacts of climate change. dorothy, given that now that we're seeing so much impact on the global knowles,

all you sensing a gracious sense of urgency in terms of dealing with climate challenges. and i'm not just talking about a patient here, but mitigations are trying to reduce emissions or all the sectors of climate action . yes, um 1st i, you say the 3 now are we have lost a decade or 2 in action and up the patient. and now that people to see and experiencing directly, the investment climate change, which has been experienced by people in the global sell or the global majority be fine longer than what you're experiencing here. and here in the north, there is a change of attitude, but then the same thing we need to increase the understanding of when we see slots on t v. we also have to think of our, our planet footprints, and then also for policy makers and governments. they need to prepare for the advance beyond current records, but typically with trends costs by under projected climate change enhancing the

probability of x 3 and so now planning should be made on the extremes. and then you also mention about how the global north and south can corporate on these numbers be . so the that would be, there must be, there must be also, that's why we are doing the, the combining here with the u. k. for our government to put more of climate finance on the table to to do more than the new schwab and not the back track. what's gonna be to minutes? i think back is very, very important. because even if one of the household level, we understand that we need to segregate our waste, or we need to couple of electricity use or degrees and the present to use that will not be is because what is in port that is for the huge and historic give me those to cost emissions for corporations to stop profit thing um on the, on the shoulders of people from the south and also on the bus apply met. so i think those are the important understanding that we need to come in to start here. we

just like i told him that about us and planning for extremes. bryant and catherine, you mentioned that at that time could be running out john, i want to ask you a question around global climate dynamics that we're seeing. the obviously, you know, that's usually into the and, and we're talking about the sea ice, an ocean warming, for instance. we know that one climate impact will have an impact on another, creating a sort of vicious cycle, so to speak. when we've talked about tipping points in the past, so a point to which we get into a space that is a reversible people have often dismiss that as, as being either dramatic how close only to a tipping point. now john look good. what i'm having to talk about cascading and compounding events. i'm not as confident about understanding and being able to tell a story about attending points. um, did you want to go to this planet? that's quite a different story cuz that is helping people give

a i think what we need to concentrate on the probable futures that we can envisage within a decade on time. and what i can tell you at this point in time is that we have say in the barrio for us. so the northern hemisphere, but at a rise, that is of course and then and that will cascade into more hate and more damaging smoke events that will lead to bad health outcomes. we cannot, we shouldn't tell lease. busy or is that or more immediate should get a response because i have immediate consequences that we've had installed. and if we address those that will work on reversing those, the final repair, you know, putting in place on a repair that will hold back on so yard. so pull back on a sign, we have to start the barrio far as for betting. um because um that is i spike

the putting it must also yard. so um, and much more ball talk on pounds. the website is when the normal episode of prices, we end up with troubles for account design, which is the top take the table a strong way to know the days of media that we need to address. and if we address size, we're addressing the full things that can push us towards best tipping points and so on. your spoke that about this notion of climate repair, which is really this idea that there are steps that we can take to try to revise some of of what we've done so far. now obviously that would require huge amount of resources, but not only that, a huge amount of political well, and i want to talk a little bit about political. well here we're heading towards cop 28th. the 28th conference of the party is to be one frame of conventional kind of change as nearly 3 decades of talking. and we're now living through the outcome of the 3 decades

will nearly 3 decades of tools. that's huge. land long paris agreements in 2015. a lot of people said that was only really possible because we sort of by that sort agreement between the 2 largest dimensions in the wild china and the us the before . we know in the last few days that the special climate and boy from the us, john kerry, has been in china having discussions that catherine, let me throw this one too. what did you make of the turn of those discussions, especially as we had now to was another conference of the parties are nearby. uh when that is what we can see that there was a sense there of the rich secondary critics traits, a calibration bridge, a 5 and focus on climate. and get to get sort of their minds together and negotiate what they can, what they can both put to the table at the call and hopefully that you see an outcome. but what we all know, it's not about another negotiation. we all know that it's about actually be we

don't see the pairs agreement, easy tools, and all the countries that we talk about the use of these bases are likely behind the target. so i think it's about him can i think there click mention incrementing or reaching get targets to to net 0 sort of closer to the 2 of them. but it sort of commitment that countries are following schultz, of as, as we speak today. dorothea, i want to ask you a little bit more about the china dynamics there because there is some hopes that that things might shift as we go forward. and obviously china is also living through a huge heat wave in the north and, and experiencing extreme weather flooding. and a huge amount of storms in the south. at the same time, the china has doubled down on cold and even these heat waves, it actually will basically ended up using little cold because of air conditioning. and i know that the energy infrastructure in china is really designed to be dependent on call. now, at the same time, almost paradoxically,

china has also been huge. we scaling up renewables and we know the renewables and become a lot cheaper, a lot more widespread around the world. but that's not necessarily been because of the reasons you've been pushing for dorothy, but because it's, it makes more financial sense. so let me ask you, then does this give you hope that things might be changing? perhaps not for the reasons that that you've been pushing for, but that they aren't changing to what it does. good. the key countries like the us in china discussing because they do need to cooperate and they need to show calamity to ship. but we have to understand this. well, that's the countries like the u. s. u k. countries in europe, a historic, you need this all the time a so a huge and you 3 to start the historic meter. and it's good that you have also mentioned that the compared to all the rest of the western or northern countries on china. this use of renewable now, so far out steep everyone, everyone else is using renew, but more than all the other countries. and it's,

and also because of its, rolled in producing solar panels the, those, the practice in the developing countries also reduce because of that role. so i think in china play an important role. and one thing about china, you should also understand that said, when is what's the plan? it plans on for because i've been following china these 2005 after leap i have read in the region, the develop into that is a 5 year program when they plan, they put 25 years or 10 years. and when they do that, they normally deliver because there is a consensus, think consistency in the government. unlike in the u. s. o, the by then they'll put the us by employment leadership. but then he has a problem convincing the, the congress to, to also follow his commitment. so there is that big difference. and also many of the west and countries rely on business to do whatever they want to do. so in, in this case is just one session needs also a bit,

the planning from the government and also ownership of those crucial. and the district was because you comp regularly anything that you don't owe. and so there needs to be a bigger role for governments in these kinds of, of, of steps, initials and, and that's a, as in john kerry also mentioned that they will not pay compensation or reparation the global so that's has always been the u. s. line. and us position, we just actually met commensurate their historic role and, and unfortunately that's, that's what has always been design. so when we did most of damage that happened in, in egypt because of the unity of the south and governments for so though the history of the call is the history of backtracking of delay. oh, but denying to responsibility on the big show. so the northern countries, so i think at this time now the they deliver it this time now that for, for big fossil fuel cup,

but he's also the search question. the equity. yeah. send that not by nonce. i do want to begin to, well, i'm sorry dorothy, i do want to throw a last question, had to john because within the political landscape that we currently live in and seeing what we're seeing now in terms of extreme weather around the world that has been increasing tool of g o, engineering, this idea of trying to reduce some of the impacts of, of what we've done to our planet. so for instance, flying planes often choosing vapor into the sky and broke out some of the sun ideas like that. now, for a long time, a lot of that was discussed almost as a science fiction, but i see that both the white house and the you actually now taking very seriously, they made formal statements about it just over the last few weeks or so don't what is will take on that. do you think that it's, it's a legitimate, interesting idea. all the other questions about critique whether or not it is a last resort. how we come to that of this extraordinary dangerous idea.

it may be called, well, probably because we're experimenting with the time and i've cost, i've already experimenting with a home buying anything so much so yard. so when we know it is, it is bad for us. and there's actually quite a simple lives that we saw amazing. so you know, so if you had another experimented regatta has been doing that as very defensive in the amatory well known in the have as far as science has never gotten to be a pull mass choice. so it's, it's an engineer's choice and we've had engineers how things they are outside of the items. be prepared like the tom, i think the, the it isn't it another experiment and then yes, you could almost size it, it might be a solution, but i don't know how to do that with my time. and the, the other aspects of that is, i'm talking about this and it starts to get to look like green washing. and i

haven't done like the, all the sections that we can put in place right now, as if you decide to do, we're going to buy ourselves more time. and to be on a, that's a fallacy. even if we could put tens of thousands of a craft into the listing that much a dustin to the american difference, that's a huge on enterprise. we don't have the sort of business process to leave that much into the liar of the state of mind. different and on i would say one of the gloves to do it. and then as you say, we're already living through the impacts of our previous experiments on this planet . i'm afraid we'll have to leave it that for today, but thank you to all of our guest. katherine down puts on then and dorothy guerrero and thank you to for watching. remember, you can watch this program again any time by visiting our website that's out of there a dot com for further discussion do goes well facebook page,

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