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a welcome to the screen. a new document to from the new york times about the office, brittany space takes a look at how, how nice and not to send music became entertainment. so only look if you're feeling the show on youtube, you know what you can do. just jump into the comments section because what we're asking, what we're wrestling with is warranty. song media outlets. treat women in a specific way. and how does that impact people? who aren't even celebrities? that's the conversation, but you have need to be called media is treatment, or britney spears is complicated. at 1st, the media treated her like a got it was because she embodied a stereotype of sexual desirability. so blonde, so tone, get full up. she was a living therapy that was a powerful and problematic message in and of itself. on the other hand, the media treatment of her mental illness was savage and datsuns, a powerful and damaging message,

especially to girls and women too. that there is something shameful or stigmatized about mental illness, that people who identify it as female can't recover from such illness. and that you should either be perfect as the media to find it or your school. men are treated that way to stand by. so i knew all conversation already had to me. so i guess the so ready for this conversation to have i have no to you came hello sachi. hello wendy. really good to see. you can tell our audience for you. well, i'm what you do. hi, my name is kim carmen, and i am the former senior director of marketing jobs records. i was pretty serious is marketing director for 1st for all phones at the labels. and i've been in the music business for a little over 30 years, having worked with universal music, sony music and warner music with various artists from the rolling stones to led

zeppelin to girl is nice to have you. thank you for being with us today. and i start to introduce yourself to an international audience. sure, my name is actually cool. i'm a culture writer for breast feed news based out of new york and the brittany stan as we all should be. and i'm also the author of the actually titled one day will all be dead and none of this will matter. thank you for being with us brittany stein and wendy. well, kevin, to the stream, introduce yourself to ask us. thank you. my name is wendy williams. i am the president of the society for the psychology of women, which is the division of the american psychological association. and i am also the dean of a school of education here at mills college case. i want to start with a rolling stone magazine commerce in 1999. i really want to get your instant take on this. i know you seen this before. when did you stop? what are you seeing here? 16 o. britney. i see

a sexualized girl who is merging and merging those notions of being sexual, but also just being a just being a girl and how, you know, the private spaces that girls tend to have and can have in their homes be made public in the ways that she knows that you're looking, but it's also engagement activity in which it's truly likely that most people wouldn't be looking on a girl in her room perhaps on the phone at home. so what do you see in that? certainly same as rolling stone cover. yeah, i agree, it's complicated because it's hard for us to know exactly how much control that she had over that kind of imaging. at the time she was very young as an a for myself, i mean will not cover came out. i mean, it was like 10 and so it was also really enticing and confusing and there's something that you wanted to be a part of that you didn't know how and you didn't really understand how,

how your sexuality worked and what it meant and what the power structures were and it's very complicated. can you take us into the room? well, the slice of the conversations with a 16 year old is put on a magazine cover, like a said was magazine call them. and those conversations are happening. and that is a good decision making process help us understand how that happens. well, i was there for this particular color. i was working a job at the time of this was to promote part of the end of for the 1st album. and it was a cover that was shot by david lusher. powell, who everyone knows is the same as photographer. there are bits of control that really she had, but it was really up to rolling stone and to photographers. she actually has very little control nor does a label have any control over the styling of that photo shoot the photo. she took

place actually app reviews home in louisiana, and the set was built against that backdrop. but it really kind of took on a life of its own and many of us as a label liked to many of us students, my personal feelings about it for that. i really disliked it intensely because it really didn't reflect to. i knew christie was. and i thought that it was kind of creating a tangent in her career and her image that really didn't need to happen. and so unfortunately we were left with it that this was the cover. yes, it's iconic. but as far as what i see, and if i see a character that when did you decide why did you just side by side? because i think that what we're experiencing and seeing and seeing that that image

is the tension that our culture has around sex and what our culture, that tension our culture has around sex and the ways in which we use the plant that in place on top of children, particularly girls and girls of all black backgrounds and the ways in which grows of diverse backgrounds are treated similarly and sexualized similarly. but also how that sexualization is handled differently and watching that happen over time. so just hearing the, the background. so. busy me that it actually was in our home and that also the tensions that folks were having around. how to portray that and what types of energy use were sort of centering and what type of motivations were service entering their different decision making about that. i don't know where that control data did not lie. it seems to me that seems to me that the tension around the, the questions are, are our, our society has, and particularly, or us society has around staff in actuality and youth and young people really comes

to bear with that decision making process on youtube. we have student class that i'm going to give students question to use sachi. you call to exploit somebody who want to knowledge save somebody is being exploited that allowing it sachi do not have to agree with this call may be the bills or that's going to absurd. it's absurd. it doesn't, it doesn't take into account like $0.70 a pound, quotation, the words name, we women and girls. i mean, it's just if that is not true. you know, sometimes you don't know you're being exploited until later. and, and, and frankly, i don't know if that's the case here. i don't know. that still sort of suggests that i understand something about britney spears, that she herself wouldn't know she's and told us a lot. so i don't think i can make a lot of sweeping generalizations like she was worth waiting to be a party to her own exploitation. i think that's absurd. no, she wasn't. she didn't see exploitation. and so as you say,

after the cover came out, i think everyone was kind of taken aback. and i think that you are correct when you say not in control. she was a 17 year old girl. this was her 1st cut. her story was rolling stone magazine, being shocked by this very famous, very infamous photographer, david marshall powell, who was known for specializing all of his subjects. and everyone was just foreigners if he was doing this. and she was thrilled just to be on the cover of rolling stone, but after it came out with the teletubbies in her arms, i mean, there was all this innuendo. no one really thought that that was a brilliant piece of arch. it was seen as exploits. i wouldn't put in the voice of a professor at least said peacock products and she outlines the idea of we have the celebrities, they reach a peak,

and then somehow that peak then descends into some awful kind of tragedy. this is how lisa sounds. they don't have in this media both helped to cree brittany spears and destroyer. the depictions allowed roman to sexualize her and prompted young girls to want to be just like her. her downfall was really treated like reality show that we were all watching in real time. and the media depictions of brittany's helped women that their social value was implicitly tied to their body. but more importantly, once their sexual capital was no longer a commodity, the world no longer how to use for them. when do you stop in such a you pick up a wow, you know i, i think that that is just so, so spot on in terms of the messages that women get about their using usefulness and

the messages about we crap and, and, and disseminate to young girl very, very early and it's a very different type of messaging than we crap and, and set up and, and share with young boys about who they are, what their bodies are, how their bodies already use with their for. and so i, i can completely see that. um, i have a lot of thoughts about it. however, because the story about brittany happened 20 over 20 years ago. i'm thinking a lot about the ways in which media is not just power, right. see or media happening or toward someone, but also the media that we make of ourselves and put up there. so, you know, i had a reaction to the question that sought to respond to by the, the, the youtube community member, the blaming of someone. yeah. so believe me another child, and i think that there's, there's the blaming of a child. but i also think that what is being blamed and what is the demon i estimate is that child and vision which i watched a documentary and i was really proud and excited for her to go for her dream. and

the idea that going for your dream means that you are said to be subjected to the very sexualized violence. and i would say that there was a sort of public sexualization of the type of violence terms of the chasing her down the chase and capture the chase and capture of images. but also the capture in spaces of mental owner ability at peak times of the stress for her as a young mother. and as a young person, i just completely profound. and so the ways in which that sort of is on display and that documentary, and in some of the images that we now have an opportunity to look back on this is quite profound. such a go ahead. there's something so strange about the way that we're looking for responsibility in this topic. so it's like we all want to find who we can blame for this and it's never ourselves. so even in that question, you know, can you be sure her involvement? well, we did it to redid it to her. i mean,

we can see that we liked it. we want it more of it. i mean, you know, thinking about traditional media and pop her up the and stuff like that. i mean, that would not be an ecosystem that was successful, had we not consumed what they were producing. so to act as if like, it's just her fault or it's just the, the outlets that are reporting on her this way. it's not, it's something that is meaningful and super complicated and later and we're a small a party to it. we're pretty standard worse. so that's the most frequent email. so here's, give me just a few things i want to show you here. and these are some of the big academic studies that are being done about the impact to when young goals and actually we mean, see celebrities for trading this way. the secularization of goals, this is from the a p, a task force. the stipulations of gals is linked to come on mental health problems

and goals and women eating disorders, no self esteem, depression, and a task force reports. american psychological association. one more here. this is from us. so then, okay, this is a local issue. what's been you? melissa? henson, i like looking, came to come up to the back of this cuz i am wondering if the music in the entertainment industry do they even cat, that some kids and some women are being impacted negatively. that's good. somebody said since last. so to the extent that girls are sing primarily are exclusively highly sexualized eroticized images of young women in the media. it shapes their expectations about what their life is going to be when they mature and what's, what society expects. of them girls who consume highly sexualized media, for example, we know are more likely to suffer from eating disorders and more likely to initiate sex at a younger age are going to have more sexual partners over the course of their lifetime

. they're also more likely to have it done one to pregnancy. they're more likely to experience episodes of depression. can we just show business? is it even a site to, is this really, really important that hasn't really been discussed? at least from what i've seen in the publicity on this documentary. and that is the question of diversity in this, in this whole situation. and the fact that brittany, being a white southern woman and having this culture because she came from this culture of sexualized imaging. you have to understand what she was doing was not just something, not the record company created or took advantage of. but this was also part of her culture to be uniformed, to be attractive, to attract a husband and ultimately get married and have a family. this is, this is very much

a regional cultural mandate. so the other part of this is the sort of the standard of women of color and in the rad community. and then the urban music community, how we have artist like cartoon be and megan the style in nicky denies and they are very, very sexual lives and very proud of it and talk about it and associate themselves with. busy ultimately and yet, is a brittany doesn't get a pass. and i think that what that does is it marginalizes women of color even more because this is supposed to be part of who they are. do the record companies take advantage of it? do they care? i think they care to an extent they have limits obviously. but you know, because nobody's doing anything you know pornographic, but they want to make money. so they're going to use what people advertise are

asking for. and i'm not condoning it at all of them. and as myself, i find it a little bit frustrating, but uh, i see happening all the time and i think it's getting even worse because i think the media, especially in television production with reality tv shows like the batch for it's actually read or just reinforcing these negative the tom in this line. yes. so she came up. let me, let me give this to this. is jennifer jennifer is watching live right now. dennis? a thank you. subject of personal responsibility. why don't we take more of a stand as women to actively shown these types of behavior coming from men, mutual, even of women? so minutes can, why, why are we, we, they know they say the same is over and over again. we saw it in the fifty's, so in the 60 so in the seventy's which is c hits, why don't we say wouldn't be doing that as well. um, you know, some women are saying that they're not going to do that. i think that once you get

into a position of power, when you look at taylor swift or adel, for instance, you're not seeing them creating around in a tv we the tv. they are taking a different route. you have to get to a place of power. and unfortunately for women, at least in show business, they have to kind of walk through the fire and become a stainless and becoming powerful to do that. the other problem is that at least in the music business, i can say there's not enough women executives at the top of the food chain that are really making these decisions to say, no, we are not going to do that. we're not going to have our artist look that way. we're not going to sign orders that want to look that way. and we're not going to promote that. that violence, and that hasn't changed. you know, in the time that i've been working in the business and i've been in it for over 3 years, so that's what has to change. sachi, i have to give this story to this is from jack. jack is watching right now. he

wants know your opinion, the fact guess what, of your opinion on social media, because it isn't, it's a different era now with people and i'm paraphrasing directly with, with people have more control. so nobody's have more control. we will have more control about what do we want to put out say, who is telling the story? do we have our own story to tell such a guy? yeah, i think it's a very different environment now than it was 20 years ago when brittany was sort of coming up. you have different mechanisms to control your narrative. now you have instagram, you can post in a notes apology on twitter. if you feel like you did something, i mean, there's like a 1000000 ways to be able to get out ahead of a story. you don't really need to do a glossy diane sawyer interview. and then in terms of the question of like control and why to us as women allows us to happen, i mean, i feel a great deal of control when it comes to my own sexuality. and i know a lot of women feel way and a lot of girls feel that way. i mean, that's sort of the time when you're playing with that and figuring out what it

means for you and what that our means for you. so i don't think we can see fit with one brush and save like, well we should all just shut that down. it's that's not feasible and it's not possible. but uh, yeah, i mean, social media allows a very different kind of, uh, conversation to happen as you, as the person in the forefront. so they can control it to some degree. you mentioned diane sawyer, which, which takes me back to a need for you. she did repeat newspapers in 2003, when do you watch the sort of, i am wondering, is it possible that an anchor reporter would approach me to be this way? in 2021, have a list and have a look. and i have to ask a couple of things about test. ok, of course you can just go in on television. i'm pretty much said you broke his heart. you did something that caused him so much pain,

so much suffering. what that you do was upset was upset for a while. we both think we're both fairly young and it was kind of waiting to happen one day this week when we get to even oh gosh, well, i don't make those decisions. but i would hope that i, you know, here's an interview about her and her career and it's focused on the boy, she dated and i have to back it that's given so much time and attention and a national interview for her is a striking, you know, i i wonder in, in the air of me to, as well as, i think a more empowered moment for us as a society and as a society of women and also men and all of us just sort of saying, you know, what enough is enough in terms of the sort of gas lighting and blaming. i think

that the, i'm remembering back i grew up in the ninety's and i, remembering back to those tabloid articles and how it really was about the relationships that celebrities were happy with one another. and how they came together with their experiences and time of the relationship look like when they were together and also what their breakups were about. that was really the focus of the news. and. and i wonder if i don't think that we're in a space where we would value that as much. but it truly is, you know, it's, it's troubling to watch and also to watch her break down even further. and in that particular spot as hard to watch with these kind of a, a case story says this conversation i, casey, steve. so these conversation would come to multiple celebrities where people apologizing to decades latest 3 decades later, got really wasn't good behavior with story about this. i'm wondering if it's the document you can really change the way we think and we still and can we do project going forward, lee and simmons says yes, have

a listen to this kim. i think that will look back on this near times. documentary, as a sort of catalyst for change within the media. i do think it has open a lot of eyes. it's got the conversation started as far as the way women and girls are being depicted by the media. and a huge part of that was the fact that this documentary was e mail driven, you know, who better to understand the intricacies of womanhood and seminars and then women the giving you a has to keep you with the difference. i love way so much. she is so brilliant and she's absolutely right, samantha star, who is the director of the documentary, there's such an amazing job and it was true of women talking about women, which i think is so important. she's absolutely right. do i think it's going to

change things maybe a little bit is really going to be driven by social media, because unfortunately, this documentary is only on hulu. and if you don't subscribe to hulu, it's going to be difficult for people to see it. and i hope that it becomes such a force and such a conversation that eventually it actually gets repaired on accident on the fox network, which is so ironic in and of itself. if that happens, then fantastic. i think that really will be a catalyst for change. but i think that before that happens, we really have to get control of what the network see as good as national programming. we've got to get rid of the shows where women are being exploited on a regular i'm talking about again, the bachelor and bachelorette and these reality tv shows that, you know, passed for programming because the networks don't want to spend money on production . oh, yeah. you know, it's,

that's good. sorry. taken off the field so i am hate watching the got to the right now when i cooking every like you can just go to the cave. thank you so much. talk to you. i appreciate you, wendy. appreciate you to have a look at my laptop because maybe i'm not sure if a document change or change the way we think. but this certainly apologies flooring . brittany's direction. drama mag. we are slowly brittany. we're over to planes. what happened to britney spears? a one more here. justin timberlake. i'm sorry. yeah. and our a little too late. buying joe joe. that wasn't me. that was the pasta. thank you so much. we check today has out to 0 ever come to britney spears story. we don't think so. this is probably the only time i'm thinking the cheapest to be part of that conversation. i see you next time take

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