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storage, the other welcome to the program i major. instead of going ciocca has been landlocked since arrow track gained its independence in 1993 for 30 years. it's been dependent upon its neighbors, especially just booty. access to ports of international shipping routes. if you pay as prime, it has to be, um, it says the high cost on the sustainable he's reportedly said that if you will secure, direct access to a port peacefully or if necessary by force. what does he mean? what are the implications for neighboring nations? we'll be discussing hold of this in a few moments without guess. but 1st, a report from victoria gate can be the pulse of diabetes situated on one of the

busiest shipping rates in the world. 95 percent v as inputs and exports passed through here. e c o p a has been led look since eritrea gained independence and 1993. the quote of a sab handle 2 thirds via p is trade for 5 years to will broke out between the neighbors in 1998. since then it's relied on all the ports in the region. if you, if your prime minister be, um it says the state is, quote, was costly and unsustainable. she wants you to have a pool to its own. she reportedly told him a thing of investors, and businessman last week, the d. c o p a will get support by peaceful means, but if that fails, it will use force in a bit to tap into shipping words. the government's recently started negotiations with its neighbors and has reportedly offered eritrea a 30 percent stake in the national carrier and exchange for direct access to its port. it'd be a, has one of the fastest growing economies in the world. it is 2023 world economic

outlook. the international monetary fund predicted g. d p would increase 13 and a half percent this year that the government says development is being held back. it seems determined to address this. something neighboring countries will be following closely. victoria gates and beef inside story the. so let's bring it, i guess for today is discussion from edison about with joined by come on, how she moved. and then the of the ethiopian parliament in london as much in plots, a journalist, specializing in the horn of africa. he's also a fellow at the institute of pulling well studies at the university of london. and from washington dc, with joined by clark, who norma, who was a city electra and sherman, all of the international peace and conflict resolution program at the american university. gentlemen, welcome to or come on as you mama. let's start with you. let's clear up something

right from the stars did. how the um, it actually said that he'd get access to a port by peaceful means negotiation or by force if necessary. but if he did make those remarks how seriously should we take them a lot. thank you. so for we show, uh oh, i know uh like we have been um are reported by a lady that depends on how you said it by force the piece. uh, i know that you know his speech on the and i don't expect that from the finding that the to show you everything. if you jump through the machine that doesn't show us the go to the 1st, we now work in the company on the p a corporation

or we met, she was all the competency she had a bundle as well. so she had mentioned that with me, i love you, i love the chair and the community deliver to the campus. so it is no way it's supposed to be an option. but, but the 50 off the 40, maybe the inclusion that i think the government should find all the pieces that we could really make. she wanted me to become a fax, the quote, to make sure that the mother to mission the baby. i would like more than happy to come because, you know, all right martin, what do you make of this? is this the kind of thing that i'll be i'm it would say, and if he did say this, perhaps he was misinterpreted a call it is possible to see it was misinterpreted. but quite frankly,

if you have uh, the media and e. c o p a reporting this, and it's incorrect. you would expect the ethiopian government to put items. i shall say. statement saying no, this is wrong. this is not what we believe. so i think we have to assume that he did say it. i mean, frankly, it is likely on the hinged uh, you know, the, it's interesting we just come through with. ready between arrow track and if you combine just to gauge the region of tay gray and they weren't able to defeats the 2 grands, but it has to end up with a peace agreement which was on the bus to show we say on the terms of both sides so you know, the idea that the pins a gun to project force and the feet who eritrea to booty, kenya, somalia. so don, i don't know, but it seems pretty online. i think that it's just one of those things that he might have said off the top of his head. yeah. when i, when i met, misinterpreted because he, perhaps of, of been talking about economic for so many,

you know, there he is in charge of an economy which is let's go want 13 and a half percent predicted g t p this year, a growth of yes, but so it's going to be a bit careful of that figure because that figure really is that the rebound from the war. i mean the, the growth rates are probably only about 7 to 8 percent of the. i mean, they still substantial a very they've or they very good read the growth rates. and if you, if you search the needs to have access to the see, i'm not arguing about that. but there's no need to go around the demanding by 8 by force. i mean, there's no reason why anybody would deny him parker. what. what do you, what do you make of it? how, how serious they should be take. i'll be, i'm as, and i just hope that before he's on sit down for the sake of africa that he was just joke. you know, that he was miscoded because there is no way that he could drop somebody's port and get away with it. it's not going to stand it with trigger international and

original assumptions right away. i need to get as in this type of disruption any more of the war they've, they've got a lot of what to do and he doesn't need this kind of destruction. so who would, would these comments have been aimed at in the 1st place? they were tramp apps or domestic audience, but if it was every trail, i thought everything relations were on a much better footing with our a trail since the, the 2018 piece deal. it can only be for domestic consumption because there is no there's nothing to be gain from franklin in all his name as eric. true. yeah. he has good relations are very true. yeah. the relationship is not exactly what it should be. but if he has hopes of using a side, which is probably the part that they want to use to as part of some of the stuff that's coming out of a centralized trip it. yep. yeah. she cannot be threatening them. he's already

trying to re negotiate deals with the body, which is a place where he needs to focus on. and he has gotten all these other deals going with 5 king um by trying to develop at port a lot, move in and it is done by tops, was started with a website that became, dies and asked that is done. those are the kinds of things that he needs to be doing if he is doing this for a domestic consumption is dangerous. and it can also lead to uh, on the internet course of course is inside of advert tree itself. but, but at the gym there is unpredictable and they can seize on such comments to try and build legitimacy by, you know, mostly and out. some of that some, some of the actors that they think i'm in league was that with the government. and i mean, i just somebody about, even though they themselves, since i've worked out the relationship because they have to come on and the me in, in uh, in the tv i lived in that degree and that's my lives. but this can be dangerous on

both sides. come on, i mean picking up on, on what parker was saying that uh, can you afford a military contract right now? i mean, if, if it came to that over port when it roll saying that, but possibly it wouldn't go that far that the prime minister's comments have to be taken with a pinch of salt here. but anything it just simply can't afford it. right. that kind of as well, i don't think it is an issue because that doesn't need to call people don't. nobody's going to get back not have that you did that. i've met with people have inside the door and all the types of products and kind of descending extroverted bit of an issue. so i don't see why the last few minutes. i can't believe martha said, that's the problem that i've said. like, you know, by force, you could never say that i was a, you know, i haven't guessed they have really done this thing and nothing. when i put it on by

the, by the, we look at all the commissions, the upgrade and efficiency memory and confidence, guys, because it was something you don't have any time soon as you can see, a lot of off i've seen it happen a lot of did you know, cause i don't, i don't, i don't think it was coming over to the front of the did. did you get the power to even talk? i'm all part of the term of me, you know, unfortunately we some, but uh, you know, you know, you've talked to them of the vin. uh, that's much appreciated. you know, when on the media talk. and so he sent me out the never meet the with the car back in any kind of note to the bottom of the name of i guess it wasn't, it showed me, but you did the any kind of competence level it was no

no no more to catch you on a mountain the rest has recently lifted sanctions after concluding that if you appear is no longer engaging in a patent of gross violations of human rights to think that i'll be of it would have made comments such as the one is that he has been reported to of late about the use of force if those sanctions have still been in place. the right, it's a very good question. uh, especially as the they, they also many examples of gross human rights abuses by ethiopia, which should be in the united states. certainly knows about, i mean, it is thought to me on because the chinese have just renewed the rail connections with the booty. i'm, they pretty good now. and there's no reason why that shouldn't be developed. and uh, as, as being said, you know, the, the, the, or trend quotes of

a sub and of mississauga all both available and could be used and they were the ones, the lama reports in kenya has been talked about. and they, the, the, if you have been to put some money into that and it's possible that they could get somebody in. so donald and even some malia. so there are lots of options. but i mean, you're, i'm afraid that prime is, that'd be, tends to have these delusions of grand. yeah. we didn't make those these strange statements. i mean, i don't know if you know what, he's just building himself a 10000000000 dollar palace. why the country doesn't need it? he doesn't need it. why is he doing it? i've no idea. i'm the one that will. so he's talked about the pro starting an ethiopian may be good. where is he going to put this? i was going to ask you, does this, this talk of using force for pulled? i mean, obviously the, the easier p a needs a portfolio for economic reasons. but do you think that that, and i mean i'm, it's mind that, that he has a view to, to restarting it at e. c o p, a navy,

or what this upset is that is exactly what he has has said on the french at one time. said that they would help him to do this and would rebuild it. i mean, the pulse was tossing with the health and the british in, in what is now independent eritrea and they had, i think it was 3 or 4 bases the in the islands. it had in a sub and in the saw. and if you had a pretty good little navy, i believe it was the very well around the. and there was, unfortunately when an error trapped became independent, they lost the, the base of that winter winter straight. but let's not forget that a sub has been used by foreign nations to reject paul the, the saudis, and the u. a both used it during the war against the a, the who feet in yemen. so it's all as if eric tr, as opposed to having the naval the foreign bases on the soil. it could be done. these have to negotiate. you didn't say you're going to use force is crazy. a

corporate picking up on, on what money was saying just a few moments ago. what do you think that but ac up you would be looking to build it support in eritrea, and you put your boat to your customer, the objectives, you have a virtual monopoly of a maritime trade in, in the region. all this point in some of the land which geographically is closest to to add, is i would ever make sense from us to teaching perspective. what are the ramifications for that though, for somalia and eric trail, if you will be able to build this port in some of the land to so better all makes sense because of proximity. but building de defacto recognition of the independence of somebody land and that's not good. that's not going to fly. and um, the offers in the african union. i'm in so the way to get around that is to work within

the god. and so you probably have to solve this session problem before better i'd becomes a real option because you don't want it to if you're going behind asking and it recognizes. and some other line was somebody. yeah, it's still contesting that. and so you bought it. i think you bought it is the out of place that because it already has the logistics. it already has the relationship with the body. the kindest on the port fees are very high, but you negotiate. you talk about that and be relations will fit that will power train is getting better aside is also possible. it is close to us and try it. you'll be out with them the industrial past us. and so that's what you do. you don't trust them. anybody, you don't make reckless statements that can read and that conflict in not know, ready, chaplain region. that house nobody so that that's what i think they need to do. i sit down and go when i go should the port fees ingenuity,

so talk to every tree. i try and get access to that ports in my side by side and then maybe look, i did a lot more option by february. you really have to be careful how you do that because that will be the factor recognition of a specific associating country. come out what, what are you as a, as a member of the therapy and part of and make of these reports with eritrea was also to stay can easily open out lives in return for a deal over its portion in a south. i understand that the deal is now off the table but, but what do you make of the fact that it was even discussed the uh, what are they uh oh, she called me about. i know the fact that we care about the she says for going on. um uh, each of them do whatever you need to, to access to his reading the option,

the name of the account. so i made sure that that kind of give them a check on the company anyway, they can access the should addition to that we can give as soon as we are on your campus instead of accuracy, we have to have 4 of the situation. we get it to the school. what is that addition? where does when go to charlotte? and which one is my i'm pretty much you guys give them really in a very because in mind that attracts me. does my again yeah, there's money out, you know, would you be like i said yeah for is very my that even give you this gives you know, we are going and i thought well maybe never would be. yeah. before the by likely my mission. nothing less of the fact you can buy

the loan the last time the like is being very proxy. make sure the relation with mostly is the one that had to match the plot. the very proxy to whatever makes you the old piece of that just to be able to, to, to get a hold on. i didn't really want to classify them. and that is you why the been one of the boxes at the neighborhood. so i think that should look into the commodity and i'm sure you're going to be that the process. what do you make of those reports about the stake and it's easier for you and adeline's being offered to try and do what you do started to, to expand upon. what would you like to expand upon your thoughts about where if you hope you would want to cite this port?

well, i mean uh, i think 5 is narrow, try it and i'd be delighted to have a stake in as successful a project as ethiopian airlines. it's one of the really successful airlines in africa once it was uh, you know, fighting with canyon airlines. so that's gonna airlines, but it's streets ahead of everybody else now. and it is, is fantastically well rounded. what sydney was until very recently. and let's see, i mean, i'll be very happy to have asked if i was never tried and but i, i would be surprised if easy. it was better to give it up. i mean, i still think that the, the pulse of as of which has been lying essentially on the used since the board of war in 1998 to thousands with, with eritrea. and all you have to do is basically rehabilitate put. send back the ethiopians who used to live the news, to act as the stevedores and provide and provide a lot of employment here locally. it would be

a great idea and we'll do the money for the air trends. and there's one other thing which is there's a huge potash deposit on the border between eritrea and e. c o, p, in the, in the fall region. and there's no reason why that should not be develop. now, the chinese of taking the big stake and at that with me building another port, probably because it's such a big project, it's $200.00 a year project. so there are lots of things that they could call for a song, but it does require talking and waving a big stick and saying you're going to use force is not the way for you, but you mentioned china, a mazda, and what about a gulf nations and they're continuing engagement in, in the whole of africa. what does that mean? so e, c o, p has plans the toilet does mean that you know, that our competitors, but i mean, you know, because their competitors, when they re bought it, uh, you know, the, the, the u a has huge investments in a lot of the ports, for example, they had a, a big stake in engine bocce. that was stakes in, uh, the,

the, the, some of the ports. and uh yes, of course you, you'd have to, you, you go to fight, feel commercial rights, should we say within this? but i mean they should be peaceful competitions and there's no reason why the us and the polt shouldn't be developed, answered become. busy very successful, i mean the whole of aggregate has huge potential, but it does need to learn to live with itself in a peaceful way. and if that can happen, there's no reason why why it shouldn't develop and become a real boon to the whole of africa. parker, as, as ultimate, saying that, you know, the, the region has huge potential is, is large scale economic integration. do you think of a possibility in the near future or a pipe dream, or can neighboring nations benefit from, for me to europe is rapid economic growth. a writing on his coattails. the absolutely any itself is the largest country about

a 120000000 people expected to double in population in teddy as the economy is growing. and because it needs is made best because it doesn't have access to that, that see there is independence built into that relationship. and so what a little bit of creative thinking you could have the original economy that works for everybody. and they need to talk and interpret, going to be pregnant. anybody already has problems with 5 egypt over the dom. it doesn't need any more conflict. and so original kaiser shows like, you know, a god needs to get involved. they've been talking a lot about promoting rigs not trade out there, africa, 5, coincidence out free trade area initiates, everybody talks about promoting in traffic and trade business. and there's a stop at golden opportunity to, to solve problems and create jobs. so everybody in the origin and everybody can benefit being 5 if they want to get out bob. so nobody knew we don't need price,

we don't need conflict. alright, quickly, if, if, if we assume for a moment that his comments were directed at a domestic audience, they went for a for international consumption. and you mentioned it attention with the, with egypt. do you think that i'll be out of it is, is the man to it or what, what is his plans are perhaps a necessary as far as economic growth of easier peter is concerned. do you think that i'll be out of it as is the man who can, who can negotiate to a deal, the right deal for ethiopia and the region a well, he did win a nobel peace prize, so i hope that he can make peace again. he's made peace with me best before he made a piece of paper i retreat. he made peace with saddam. he made peace of the body so he can do so again. and i, i hope that's enough people in his, in this party at home, encouraging him to sit cooperation and that,

and also he made his statement in front of the invest as no for an invest. i want to move to a region where does conflicts. and so this is one of the ways to scale off of that for and direct investment. it needs to stop that talk and figure out how to make peace. and i think that because it's me a piece in the past, so you can do so again. last name, would you agree with that? oh, absolutely not. i mean one of the interesting things is actually the relationship with egypt has not improved. they have agreed to find some way of dealing with the the key issue which is the grand renee song stand which was built on the blue nile which the egyptians and the suit me so very worried about. but it's only a hydro electric got down. it's not going to use the water for you see a pin irrigation. so the, the difference now seemed a bit more happy about it and it's going to produce a lot of electricity, some of which will be available in. so don,

maybe further afield and say you begin to see an alternative, ethiopia way ties into the region, develops the region, works with the region and is a dynamo for growth. and that is certainly a possibility. but the, one of the big problems is that the, one of the neighbors in, in aircraft pressed into sauce is very unpredictable. and you can never be sure when he's going to stir up conflict again. so, you know, it's a tough region, hard to work in, but it can be done and easy at the uh, you know, is, could be a best in of, of, of both development and peace if it's let in the right way. but i, i come back mountain to the my very 1st question, the question i asked some 25 minutes ago about whether the, the prime minister should be, should be taken seriously here. obviously not as well. you always have to take a prime minister seriously,

but i would always judge people by the actions then by their woods. let's not forget that when they uh, for men to that war against too great. they processed it for 2 years. it was a 2 year preparation by if the a p, a and aero tragic attack take, right. they never mentioned it. so let's look at the, what the actions rather than the words. okay. the gentleman, i'm afraid we have to end up many things to you. oh, come on, how she moved. emotion plows from clark who to on as always. thank you for watching . you can see the program, i get it any time i go into the website, which is 0 dot com for further discussion. join us on our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash h, a insight story. and you can try the conversational twitter handle at a inside story from the adrian said again, from the st. here. and so how, thanks for watching. let's see. you again, fi so that the

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