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hello welcome to the program i major. instead of going, ciocca has been landlocked since eric drag gained its independence in 1993. for 30 years. it's been depended upon its neighbors, especially just boutique for access to ports of the international shipping routes. if you pay as prime it as the i'll be i'm, it says the high cost on sustainable. he's reportedly said that if you will secure, direct access to a port peacefully or if necessary by force. what does he mean and what are the implications for neighboring nations? we'll be discussing hold of this in a few moments without guess. but 1st, a report from victoria gate can be the pulse of diabetes situated on one of the busiest shipping rates in the world. 95 percent of the p o. p as inputs and experts passed through here. the e. c. o. b, a has been landlocked since eritrea gained independence in 1993. the po to the sab

handle. 2 thirds of ethiopia is trade for 5 years. until will broke out between the neighbors in 1998. since then it's relied on other ports in the region. ethiopian prime minister abbey ahmed says the state as quote, was closely and unsustainable. he wants to have a pool of its own spits. he reportedly told the meeting of investors and businessman last week, the d. c o p a will get support by peaceful means. but if that fails, it will use force in a bit to tap into shipping routes. the government's recently started negotiations with its neighbors and has reportedly offered eritrea a 30 percent stake in the national carrier and exchange for direct access to its port. it'd be a, has one of the fastest growing economies in the world. it is 2023 world economic outlook. the international monetary fund predicted g. d p would increase 13 and a half percent this year that the government says development is being held back. it seems determined to address this. something neighboring countries will be

following closely. victoria gates and beef inside story. so let's bring it, i guess, for today's discussion from addis ababa with joined by come on, how sheet my mood and then the of the easier in parliament in london as much in pots, a journalist, specializing in the horn of africa. he's also a fellow at the institute of pulling well studies with the university of london and from washington dc with joined by clark, who norma, who was a cd electra and chairman of the international peace and conflict resolution program at the american university. gentlemen, welcome to you or come on as you mama. let's start with you. let's clear up something right from the start. did probably um it actually say that he'd get access to a port by peaceful means negotiation or by force if necessary. but if he did make those remarks, how seriously should we take them a lot. thank you

for we show uh oh, i know uh like we have been uh very fortunate by a lady that depends on how we stayed by 1st of the piece. uh i, i know that, you know, can speak on and i don't expect that from the, by the time i got to show you everything, it means you can cancel the machines that doesn't show us the forces we know working with all the neighboring countries on the now and the cooperation, the issue was all the shared folders also she had mentioned that would be a little bit down to the chair and the commission deliver to the

company. so i mean, there's no way it's supposed to be an option, but, but the 50 off the market, maybe we shot that. i think the government should find all the pieces that we could really i'm actually loving to become a fax, the quote, to make sure that the mission and the baby i would like more than happy to make you know, you know. all right martin, what do you make of this? is this the kind of thing that i'll be home? it would say, and if he did say this, perhaps he was misinterpreted a call, it is possible to see it was misinterpreted. but quite frankly, if you have uh the media and the ppo reporting this and it's incorrect, you would expect the ethiopian government to put items. i shall say, statement saying this is wrong, this is not what we believe. so i think we have to assume that he did say it,

i mean, frankly, it is likely on the hinged uh, you know, the, it's interesting, we've just come through with. ready between arrow track and if you combine just against the region of tay gray and they weren't able to defeats the 2 grands, but it has to end up with a peace agreement which was on the bus to show we say on the terms of both sides. so you know, the idea that, that the parents are going to project force and the feet who eritrea to booty, kenya, somalia. so don, i don't know, but it seems pretty online. i think that it's just one of those things that he might have said also some of these head. yeah. when i, when i met, misinterpreted because he, perhaps of, of been talking about economic for so many, you know, there he is in charge of an economy which is let's go want 13 and a half percent predicted g t p this year, a growth of yeah. so it's going to be a bit careful of that figure because that figure really is that the rebound from

the war. i mean the, the growth rates have probably only about 7 to 8 percent of the. i mean that so substantial a very the very good read the growth rates. and if you, if you search the needs to have access to the see, i'm not arguing about that. but there's no need to go around the bombing by 8 by force. i mean, there's no reason why anybody would deny him porker, what, what do you, what do you make of it? how, how serious they should be take, i'll be, i'm as, and i just hope that by for his own sit down for the sake of africa that he was just joking all that he was miscoded because there is no way that he could drop somebody's port and get away with it, it's not going to stand it to a trigger international and original assumptions right away. i need to get as in this type of disruption any more of the war they've, they've got a lot of what to do and he doesn't need this kind of destruction. so who would, would these comments have been aimed at in the 1st place?

they were tramp apps or domestic audience, but if it was every trail, i thought everything relations were on a much better footing with our a trail. since the, the 2018 piece deal. it can only be for domestic consumption because there is no there's nothing to be gain from franklin in all his name as eric. true. yeah. he has good relations are very true. yeah. the relationship is not exactly what it should be. but if he has hopes of using a side, which is probably the part that they want to use to as part of some of the stuff that's coming out of a centralized trip at retail. yeah. she cannot be threatening them. he's already trying to re negotiate deals with the body, which is a place where he needs to focus on and he has getting all these other deals going with 5 king um by trying to develop at port a lot, move in and it is done by tops was started with uh, uh, with fi that became,

dies and asked, it is done. uh, those are the kinds of things that he needs to be doing if he is doing this for domestic consumption is dangerous. and it can also lead to uh, on the internet of course, of course is inside of advert tree itself. but, but at the gym their truck is unpredictable and they can seize on such comments to try and build legitimacy by, you know, muscle in and out. some of that, some, some of the actors that they think in league was that with the government in, in the, somebody about, even though they themselves seems to, i've, what doubt they are relations because they have to come on. and the me in, in uh, in that t p, i let me know that degree and that's my list. but this can be dangerous on both sides. come on, i mean, picking up on, on what parker was saying that, uh, can you afford a military contract, right? now, i mean if, if it came to that over port when it roll saying that,

but possibly it, it wouldn't go that far that the prime minister's comments are to be taken with a pinch of salt here. but anything it just simply can't afford it right now. kind of as well, i don't think it is an issue because that doesn't need the call to the back. not have that you did that i like listed will have to start the data or the types of products and kind of descending extroverted against bit of an issue. so i don't see why the last few minutes. i can't believe martha said, that's the problem that i've said, like, you know, by force, you could never say that. i was a, you know, i haven't guessed they have really done. there's nothing wrong with the ground. and just by the, by the, we look at all the commissions, the upgrade and efficiency memory and confidence, guys, because it was something you don't have any time soon as you can see a lot of box. i've seen it happen a lot of did you know, cause i don't, i don't,

i don't think it was coming over to the front of the big did you get the power to even talk? i'm all part of the term with me. you know? unfortunately, we 7, but uh, you know, you know, you've talked to them of the vin. uh, that's much appreciated. you know, when on the media talk. and so he said, we are never you know, with the car back in any kind of, you know, piece to the bottom of the name of, i guess it wasn't, it showed me. but you did the any kind of compass and nobody can, you know, we can get on the law depending on the issue. there's no move to the mountain. the us as recently lifted sanctions off to concluding that if you, if it is no longer engaging in

a packet of gross violations of human rights, do you think that to be i would, would have made comments such as the one is that he has been reported to of late about the use of force. if those sanctions have still been in place. the right, it's a very good question. uh, especially as the they, they also many examples of gross human rights abuses by ethiopia, which the united states certainly knows about. i mean, it is thought to me on because the chinese have just renewed the rail connections with the booty. i'm, they pretty good now. and there's no reason why that shouldn't be developed. and uh, as, as being said, you know, the, the, the, or trend quotes of a sub and of mississauga all both available and could be used and they were the ones, the lama reports in kenya has been talked about. and they, the, the, if you have been to put some money into that and it's possible that they could get somebody. and so donald and even some malia,

so there are lots of options. but i mean, you're, it, i'm afraid that prime is, that'd be, tends to have these delusions of grand. yeah. we, i didn't make those these strange statements. i mean, i don't know if you know what, he's just building himself a 10000000000 dollar palace. why the country doesn't need it? he doesn't need it. why is he doing it? i've no idea. i'm not the one that will. so he's talked about the staffing and the ethiopian may be good. where is he going to put this? i was going to ask you, does this, this talk of using force for pulled? i mean, obviously the, the easier p a needs a portfolio for economic reasons. but do you think that that, and i mean i'm, it's mind that, that he has a view to, to restarting it at e. c o p, a navy. what this up sir is that is exactly what he has has said on the french at one time. said that they would help him to do this and would rebuild it. i mean, the pulse was tossing with the health and the british in,

in and what is now independent eritrea and they had, i think it was 3 or 4 bases the in the islands. it had in a sub and in the saw. and if you had a pretty good little navy, i believe it was the very well around the. and there was unfortunately when an error trapped became independent, they lost the, the base of that winter winter straight. but let's not forget that a sub has been used by foreign nations to reject paul the, the saudis, and the you, a buzz used it during the war against the a, the who feet in yemen. so it's all as if eric tr, as opposed to having the naval the foreign base is on its soils, it could be done. these have to negotiate. you didn't say you're going to use force is crazy. a corporate picking up on, on what money was saying just a few moments ago. where do you think that but if you, if you would be looking to build it, support in eritrea into your boat to your customer. boob tube usually have a virtual monopoly of a maritime trade in, in the region,

all this port and some of the land which geographically is closest to, to add is, uh, would february, i makes sense from us to teaching perspective. what are the ramifications for that though? for somalia and eric trail, if you will be able to build this port in some of the land to so better all makes sense because of proximity but building day. and it said the fact to recognition of the independence of some of the land and that's not good. that's not going to fly. and um, the offers in the african union. and it's so the way to get around that is to work within a god. and so you probably have to solve that style session problem before better i'd becomes a real option because you don't want it to if you're going behind asking and it recognizes. and some other line was somebody. yeah,

it's still contesting that. and so you bought it. i think the board is the place that because it already has the logistics, it already has the relationship with the ability. the kindest on the port fees are very high, but you negotiate, you talk about that and be relations will fit that will power train is getting better aside is also possible. it is close to us and try it. you'll be out with them the industrial past. and so that's what you do. you don't trust them. anybody. you don't make reckless statements that can read and that conflict in not know, ready, chaplain region. that house nobody so that that's what i think they need to do. i sit down and go when i go should the port fees ingenuity to talk to every tree, i try and get access to that ports in my side by side and then maybe look, i did a lot more option by february. you really have to be careful how you do that because

that will be the factor recognition of a specific associating country. come out what, what are you as a, as a member of the therapy and part of and make of these reports with eritrea was also to stay can easily open out lives in return for a deal over its portion in a south. i understand that the deal is now off the table but, but what do you make of the fact that it was even discussed? uh uh, well, i think, uh oh she called me about, i know the fact that which about my she said was going on. um uh, each of them do whatever you need to access to, but he gets it within the auction. the nibbling company. so that kinda give them a check on the company any way that they can access the leslie mentioned you guys, would you give me all of your time of accuracy between 2 and 4 of the

situation we get it to the school. what does that addition when, when are you available to show him which one is my pick them? i choose. yeah. uh give them in a very because with mine as black that they gave me doesn't my again. yeah. they should money out. you know, would you, like i said, yeah for is very mind that or even you know where we are going and i thought, well, maybe never would be. yeah. before the by likely my mission. nothing less of the fact you can buy the loan the last time the like is being very proxy. make sure the relation with mosley's, the one that had to match the plot. he very philosophy to whatever

makes you the own piece of that just to be able to, to, to get a hold on, i went to the plaza and i did, you want to been one of the boxes at the neighborhood. so i think that should look into the monitor and i'm sure you're going to be that the process. what do you make of those reports about the stake and it's easier for you and adeline's being offered to eritrea. and, and, and do you want to do you started drake to expand upon? what would you like to expand upon your thoughts about where if you hope you would want to cite this port? well, i mean uh, i think so i was never try it and i'd be delighted to have a stake in as successful a project as ethiopian airlines. it's one of the really successful airlines in africa once it was a, you know,

fighting with canyon airlines. so that's gonna airlines, but it's streets ahead of everybody else now and is, is fantastically well rounded. what sydney was until very recently. and let's see, i mean, i'll be very happy to have asked if i was net or trend, but i, i would be surprised if easy. it was better to get it up. i mean, i still think that the, the pulse of assets which has been lying essentially on the used since the board of war in 1998 to thousands with, with eritrea. and all you have to do is basically rehabilitate put. send back the ethiopians who used to live the news, to act as the stevedores and provide and provide a lot of employment here locally. it would be a great idea and we'll do the money for the air trends. and there's one other thing which is there's a huge potash deposit on the border between eritrea and e. c o, p, in the, in the fall region. and there's no reason why that should not be develop. now,

the chinese of taking the big stake and at that with me building another port, probably because it's such a big project, it's $200.00 a year project. so there are lots of things that they could call for a song, but it does require talking and waving a big stick and saying you're going to use force is not the way for you, but you mention china, a mazda, and what about some of those nations and they're continuing engagement in, in the whole of africa. what does that mean? so easier if he has plans the toilet does mean that you know, they are competitors, but i mean, you know, because their competitors with everybody, you know, the, the, the, you a has huge investments in a lot of the ports, for example, they have a big stake in engine bocce, they've got what stakes in, uh, the, the, the, some of the ports. and uh yes, of course you do, you'd have to, you, you go to fight, feel commercial rights. should we say within this? but i mean they should be peaceful competitions. and there's no reason why the polt

shouldn't be developed, answered become. busy very successful, i mean the whole of aggregate has huge potential, but it does need to learn to live with itself in a peaceful way. and if that can happen, there's no reason why it shouldn't develop and become a real boon to the whole of africa. park, or as, as ultimate saying that, you know, the, the region has huge potential is, is large scale economic integration. do you think of a possibility in the near future or a pipe dream or can neighboring nations benefit from? for me to europe is rapid economic growth, a writing on his coattails? the absolutely any itself is the largest country about a 120000000 people expected to double in population in teddy as the economy is growing. and because it needs is made best because it doesn't have access to that, that see there is independence built into that relationship. and so what

a little bit of creative thinking you can have the original economy that works for everybody. and they need to talk and interpret going to be pregnant. anybody already has problems with 5 egypt over the dom. it doesn't need any more conflict. and so original kaiser shows like, you know, a god needs to get involved. they've been talking a lot about promoting rich, not trade, the african 5 coincidence out free trade area initiates, everybody talks about promoting in traffic and trade business. and there's a stop at golden opportunity to go out to solve problems and create jobs. so everybody in the origin and everybody can benefit being 5 if they want to get out bob. so nobody knew we don't need price, we don't need conflict. alright, quickly, if, if, if we assume for a moment that his comments were directed at a domestic audience, they went for a for international consumption. and you mentioned it attention with the,

with egypt. do you think that i'll be out of it is, is the man to it or what, what is his plans are perhaps necessary? so as far as economic growth of easier peer is concerned, how do you think that i'll be out of it as is the man who can, who can negotiate to a deal, the right deal for ethiopia and the region. or? well, he did win a nobel peace prize, so i hope that you can make peace again. he's made peace with me. best before he made a piece of paper i retreat. he made peace with saddam. he made peace of the body so he can do so again and i, i hope that's enough people in his, in this potty at home i encouraging him to sit cooperation and that, and also i mean by humidity statement in front of the invest as no for an invest, i want to move to a region where does conflicts. and so this is one of the ways to scale that for and direct investment. it needs to stop that talk and figure out how to make peace. and

i think that because it's me a piece in the past to can do so again. last name, would you agree with that? oh, absolutely not. i mean, one of the interesting things is actually the relationship with egypt has no improved. they have agreed to find some way of dealing with the the key issue which is the grand renee song stand which was built on the blue nile which the egyptians and the suit me so very worried about. but it's only a hydro electric got damn, it's not going to use the water for you see a pin irrigation. so the, the different does not seem to be a bit more happy about it. and it's going to produce a lot of electricity, some of which will be available in. so don, maybe further afield and say you begin to see an alternative. ethiopia, way ties into the region, develops the region, works with the region and is a dynamo for growth. and that is certainly a possibility. but the,

one of the big problems is that the one of the neighbors in, in air tra, pressed into sauce, is very unpredictable. and you can never be sure when he's going to stir up conflict again. so, you know, it's a tough region, hard to work in, but it can be done and easy at the uh, you know, is, could be a best in of, of, of both development and peace if it's let in the right way. but i, i come back to the mountain to the my very 1st question, the question i asked some 25 minutes ago about whether the, the prime minister should be, should be taken seriously here. obviously not as well. you always have to take the prime minister seriously, but i would always judge people by the actions then by their woods. let's not forget that when they uh, for men to that war against too great. they plotted it for 2 years. it was a 2 year preparation by if the a p, a and aero tragic attack take,

right. they never mentioned it. so let's look at the, what the actions rather than the words. okay. the gentleman, i'm afraid we have to end up many things to you. oh, come on, how she moved. emotion plows from clark, who do alma as always, thank you for watching. you can see the program. i get it any time i go into the website, which is 0 dot com for further discussion. join us on our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash h, a insight story. and you can turn the conversation on twitter handle at a insight story from the adrian that again, from the st here. and so thanks for watching. well, see you again, bye for that the, the the,

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