thing to the people behind the news and to the journalists reporting their stories . it's that intimacy that makes every international story local at heart. i'm only give you that host of the take a daily news podcast powered by the login reporting of al jazeera. find us where ever you get your pod cast. it was going to rush at all for africa. vladimir putin, his hosting leaders from the continents, promising aid and the lashing out of the west. but with his country more isolated and under sanctions. how much can you do miss? this is inside store the welcome to the program. i'm several of any african leaders are in russia for an economic form hosted by president vladimir putin. moscow says it wants to bring

africa closer, but in a polarized world, after the war and ukraine, that's not an easy task. 17 leaders attended this 2nd, russia, africa summit, less than half the number of the 1st stomach back in 2019. the collapse of the black sea deal on ukrainian green exports is causing concern in africa about rising food prices and shortages. so can vladimir putin rear shore africans that he is a reliable partner into african countries? risk being caught in the middle of the crisis between russia and the west. we'll get to our guest in a moment. first though, this report from victoria gate. russian president vladimir putin center stage as an economic form for african leaders and some petersburg is being held at the time when russia is at will. and on the sanctions, many african countries face rising food prices and shortages as a result of russia's invasion of ukraine preaching this promise to supply a small amount of free grain to 6 african countries. the website products in which

those share of the global we'd market this 20 percent ukraine's is less than 5 percent. this means that is restaurant that is making a significant contribution to global for security. of african nations depend on great imports from black sea poults. but last week, most ago, withdrew from the you and broke a deal. and it showed safe passage of millions of tons of grain from ukraine, which was helping to prevent food shortages in africa. and let's say the somebody, it is an opportunity for african need is to they'll be polluted for advocates there, i think, and ensuring that they were made, they retain access to great. and it's going to be a big part. my 2nd me that there is some sort of movement on the part of russia. so in for these because the continual war and you create his habits, that great sex and 2nd, all the effect in africa. but this so much is about fall mold and grain. russia exported move in $16000000000.00 worth of goods to africa last year. and it's one

of the biggest exposures of arms to the continents. russia spends around $2000000.00 on african inputs annually, mostly fruits and vegetables, neltson, minerals, russia ones closer relations with africa, boston the polarized world following the war and ukraine that isn't easy to achieve . new 17 lead is attended. the 2nd russia, africa summit, less than half the number at the 1st summit in 2019. we need to negotiate very wisely the cooperation with russia. we don't want to change one colonizer by. i know, i know me to, of a, for connection for cooperation. and we need to decrease about or go we house. many african lead is attending the summit. the rules so cautious not to risk the ties with the west. it's a difficult balancing act during a time of global instability. victoria gave some beef inside story.

the sprinkler guest and most go victor 11, which lead expert to the think tank center for actual politics in luxembourg. eric actually executive director of the african policy forum and, and i, roby. i do have a shake of the, some of that sherman of the horn of africa institute for strategic studies, a warm welcome to all of you gentlemen. to start off this discussion, i want to ask the following question, what's in it for russia? and what's in it for africa? so victor, why don't you take the 1st one? what's in it for russia when it comes to this, russia, africa summit, to quote, russia is facing a massive attempt to isolated by the collective west by the united states is here a, b, and then some other allies. and of course, rush, are you seeking to break through those of them? so i solution and to maintain and expand its economic, political,

military acumen, you did. and then the other relations with bar get us in for the current english and the medicaid and middle in the middle east and southeast asians, other regions of the world, of course, the roster class had that. additionally, if this had extensive relations with african countries and with some of the can political movements. uh, when, when the united states labeled nelson mandela, they've had of the african national congress that they're just used to label him up there just in the yearly ages. it was the soviet union that support, that's him and support that the in c, f r a side more months in the south africa. and in some other in, in, uh, what used to be able to use it in some other parts of africa. and so this kind of addition, uh, this political kind of get this and then the economic kind of edition, you're not pick up it to be in russia, the united states,

since it's european ally is and china some other uh, some other world players. so this kind of condition is, uh, is uh, expand in grand russia once uh once too we uh do you think parts in, um, in, uh, uh, support think and uh, sale being uh, taken stage develop economically and in other ways. so uh from uh, from the perspective of what the russia can do for africa rush because just threats and those $23000000000.00 in the, in depth to african countries. that's about 90 percent of the stuff you can companies have. uh so sorry that was it. besides the i missed that number. they wouldn't. i cannot be ever on that. so that's a 2020 is $23.00. billions has been the original afraid now in that's 2 way is african countries and that's about 90 percent before the african depth to,

to rush so. so rustic has just wiped out. but most of that that, that was old by various african countries duration. that's a very significant economic step, and the, if the is going to be, they can positively in the number of african capitals. also, it's important to note that ranch a victor and the 3 magical assistance getting the boy a bit them. mm hm. i'd like to bring up the we'll have into this conversation and by the way that this number that the 90 percent of african debt towards russia has been, uh, has been wiped out. i, i can't fact check it right now. um, but i think it, it certainly deserves to be looked into a big we'll have an i need to ask you the question then what's in this summit for africa? of the co, the kid. but the good old foot you started with specifically was 10 countries of the same time hush one other site of the guy you still difficult for 19 seventy's.

thank you. the late 19 ninety's of the case. so it kite to know they're going to fall off between the fall off the list and fall off that last year and say, and that's when, when the fix is full of you're going to say they realize that multiple a system knows the real story. they want, they want to, they want to show the, well, they want the follows, the power is done with, that's what i past yesterday his hosting, building 70 and come to so i think up so that the going to be vice his foot cutting, you know, how much it should between the use of it to you and you are a lovely guy. if you remember when i didn't 1979 to sixty's the surface to you then has assisted the effect on the brush. and, you know, woman deal africa specifically sold in africa was a big goal. uh, you know, sort of because so, maria, you any is, but we, you much, it is, but they're going to, for provide, for those issues full of pick up today. you know, they're waiting more than ever to invest africa. believe others are still going

relationship. that's exactly what special most it's up to speak like to know the fuck the, the just the, you know, well if i of mold on a 20000000000, you know, or the or the for if you got medicine to the fresh and mostly the going to develop but most of the 25 for 50, it's 50000000 ton of the game to the buddhist. frequently stages. like so many a it's a yeah. so that i forgot about big, simple, big money looking to 1st one of us was exempted. they're going through life. the investment bill of the use of the come more than ever. so don't have, do you believe those russian promises of supplying more grain? and the reason i ask you this, and the reason um, i think it might be worth some of our viewers raising questions is about this problem. is that last time russia made a promise at this summit. the 1st edition of this summit was in 2019 russia said we're going to double our trade with african countries over $40000000000.00

a year. and that hasn't happened. they haven't even reached half that level. so i understand that russia says it's going to provide more grain, but do you believe that promise? i think so this type of own pleasure is very seriously a lot of to be honest with you last year, the really going to assist us to go over the con society they brought miss best time at home. we have to do what the problem is of the so meet this time of the serious the problem is they made an up to now they have, we are waiting to deliver more than a 50000000 tons of goodness to the point of scope of we got they went to the saw invest for the goals society. they won't even have to leave the depth of the got. so the, the they, they want to, to see, you know, last year it will pop in a row, but call it like that. if you look at the west and was to be honest with you for

the last of the 60 is over to the i think i need dependency. what the what, what the problem is. busy what the freak only a, you know, what didn't date and also, you know, security issues, us. i mean the come to the position just in bossing this go does. well, you know, again it's difficult but is that that goes um, seems like it's a good use of this business though, so i was leveled, i wasn't exactly what the warranty offered. what they want to go with us. they don't want the color shut. the dm across the babies and pulled up what i figured today is looking for is a good good with us. you know, you for the stuff. the state is the us. so you know, the checking up on the sheer. they're waiting to be laughing. yeah. fuck investing in for the structure stuff is that the industry sector dislike. so they lots of who's this the loops offices of like this, the like it's a little difficult thing to 70 or maybe they feel 1990 of because they want someone

who can go fuck these other d o could be. but to please of, just with the thought of, you know, speech, i think the things up, i'll forget the what the development that they mean business if you pick up. but you know, the issue of the, what's the, what's the well, just so you know, you know, like setting uh, the cryptographic i saw box is always the part of the thing, but it was the one of the accidental. eric, let me bring you in victor, and they will have essentially telling us this is a win win. it's a win for russia. it's a win for africa. your thoughts on that? a yes thing. so by the end, i would like to happen different and view from the my previous part, at least just mention that because a we look at where this is all coming from giving home, but what is happening to what are the conflict? so we shouldn't be extremely, very, very cautious with or probably just coming out from the one kind of something kindly because as you mentioned or she does something when the previous speaker was

talking. how is this, what made by the 1st question? somebody in 2019 we haven't seen anything coming out from there. so i don't see why any other one would want to believe that today or the probably should be meant by those yet today, i won't be fulfilled tomorrow. and we will also see, especially this aspect of in greenwich, what is, you know, seems to be paid no. unfortunately, many of these of the company doesn't have funding for it. if we see the timing where it was, she had decided to just be un broke down and couldn't, you can do nothing was on when it tells you that she, you know, we do, we do rush tensions to use the green a as in to, to, to know some of the company this in the dancing to enter the 10 what they want. now the who is, i'm sending this to me today also says the law he received from all the 50 pros, initials, and not be got today. we have the full 17, the middle states,

so someone can come just be represented there tells you that business, i'm going to supply from the russian perspective. because if we look at those up tending attendance on the account, just like the gym also about pre k, then have it moved business. so again, it is not the time she up to in the relationship you want things tend to see calling just like a book you know. uh so my leave. oh gmail. suzanne. oh you guys who be sidelined by this will do more. do you want to do with all can do for now been the only other option. oh, the only on demand on the razor enrollment is once year under this way. they have a late to we all right. love it most go today to maybe to size. i'm confused to criticize i do not really see because i'm so maybe not

a win win as the previous. i'm not even presenting because most yeah, the risen dramatically games on this property on what they have in terms of all fund the i think i need us loved it. i assume for them to promises. i would say. okay, so victor over to you, what do you make of this attendance that's in a freefall, you know, as a eric was reminding us and as we said at the top of the show, the last time they held this summit, russia had 40 plus african leaders and now they have less than half of that. what does that tell us? what do you infer from that? so well, 1st of all, to clarify the debt forgiveness. so that's a, it's not the overall to off. it could 90 percent has been original, but to uh, to some of you can come to us. uh. and as far as attendance, obviously the united states. yeah. and uh, sound good to you or if you no worries have applied. tremendous. sorry, man, this pressure will not vacant capitals to have the level of presence

and participation in this time. it lowered by the same time. key players have been in attendance. the press, the presence of egypt and south africa. the presidents of zimbabwe are the prime ministers of i'll julia and libya, even the prime minister of america with the although the box has been uh, an ally of the united states for, for a very long time. the president of uganda has been the attendance. so it's not surprising that the attendance has dropped since the last thrush off because i meant the ways in 2019, because j a political dash has have risen. the conflict between russia on one side them, the west on the other side, has become more complicated than more intense, and the pressure on various african states to dance or not at the end.

as also intensified. of course, the african states are interested in the, in their own development. and just as i, because, um, it was through in the last cold war between the soviet union and the united states . and that lasted for 40 years from the late from 4 just to the lead beaches. the african states, just like other parts of the global south have been interested in effectively using the confrontation between the west stanza and russia for their own economic benefits that so it's a lot just goals. uh and the justified approach to keep relations with the various centers of power, whether it's rash or whether it's j and the united states, india zip. and then the others who are able to provide assistance and to provide and to maintain healthy uh, economic and other political and the very least 6 or can you pull it off for

a quick 2nd? uh, can i flush the quick 2nd? how does it, how does it actually move the needle? i completely understand on a macro level, when you say it's important for a country like russia to want to break advised solution nurture partnerships with other countries. i get that intuitively. i think everybody gets that. how does it actually move the needle when it comes to the russia, ukraine war and to russia's most pressing issues, sanctions relief, all of those things? what benefit do they get from being a, from having that diplomatic pull that they can bring in those african leaders that they can talk to them, that they can host all of them for a summit? what difference does it make as well the united states and size european allies are attempting to create a medium picture integrated share. everyone in the role of the international community as a whole is a guest, russia, but that is simply not correct. and the russia is interested in showing that it is

not, uh, it is not uh correct. and that there are a number of partners in the allies around the world. and it isn't, cannot be got that they're willing to and uh and uh, to, to keep their relations with rushing deck and maintain an expense collaboration with russia in economic, political, north, and other seers. it's also important for us or how various you african companies vote in the united nations and in other international forms. it's also important what positions of a big cause during the war of the military conflict in ukraine, and as far as the green deal. well, russia was also interested in and sign the brand, you know, keeping the agree and doing fact. and the rest of was interested in the green your working. it's right. in fact, it was being expanded the every couple months. but the rush is a must cause position of this is that the rest of the company is if you stop by,

by their side of the do you use, do you connect process agricultural bank to swift to cancel the transactions for russia's fertilizers? i'm one. yeah. and other products being export the to the, there were 2 sides to the green deal. last side was ukraine being able to export this green. but the other side was russia being able to export this negative cultural products, fertilizer and other products as well. so russia was not what i felt and kept the warrant for many months that unless incentives would be taken into account the green do at some point would uh, would be aggregated. and unfortunately, unfortunately, for everyone, it's has been aggregated. and at this point, it's a question of what you're going to see it in a new green deal or supplying the forest space of optic and some states in the middle east with the, with green separately. it will not, it was not through the greens you left was

a that's not no longer valid thing. you more comfortable how, what kind of support do you think african nations can provide to russia and is it in their interest? it's to be here to but it's likely, you know, i figured that good to but also with studies tests i told you before, you know, multiple assist abilities to be so often eco, unless yeah, they are going to have a much will button a sheet. you don't much with this, but what is picked on the fact, you know, in prussia, the waiting to west africa and purpose of all of the quote integration, health care tips, care system. and they, for us such a surface like the public as the dyslexia that going to assist african society. and that is just pulled up in one of the issues like so. you know, i think it's something somebody goes to a blessing a's and flesh also it could, it has to open this market. but for example, back to so that they can easily and i've been to do with the flesh and look at best

way. and so since the practice was for me just to be a couple ws of bull, you know, some, some use book. i mean, fuck do, what's good for the sofa is a free to go to balance the you know, all the, the because you know, member of the state is listed in the, the state is the problem is what this will and what's going on here. you can just book so we have nothing to do with up in if, if, if the bookstore is but do less. yeah, and that's all that's up to them. hopefully can only the book to be the piece for the submission of you put in classes if they're willing to do so by the office that they need to me to get them. but i'm full of them. but if you want to me, if they want to be the last year then you came. that's like the 1st love for guys that went through their displeased attention. but 2 of us you, i'm, you claim us with. but uh, but i'll send you the credit card on that there. so i think what falls on that, i think we'll have your right that a month ago, there was

a delegation led by south african presidents, 0 run a post to try and mediate. so a, it's not a full fledged piece plan, but to try and mediate an easing of tensions between ukraine and russia. and when they landed in keith on the 1st leg of their trip, the kremlin pounded key. but the time with the air with tax i and what came out of that trip, it's very unclear that it really move the needle in any significant way to see you know, what, what definitely come, you know, with the sort of look at his book specimens. said he never had anything on that kind of love, but the example they say they'll click on the link that you feel like and then it gives you the new game. so in other words, what do we mean? is it for the willing to negotiate between the, you know, if it good of itself i see the what is that there should be do green on the bless you if both god does, oh, we are waiting for. but the question is, what we are avoiding for you? so what the books of all of the one to be to be in the middle of the book. so

that's exactly. i figured it was a bit of both sides, both list. i'm also the question, say my lines or big science, that's exactly the policy it. so that's a good thing to do the low for both sides. but the problem is offered to be the one to be independent of the crisis that will do it. the bus will between the east and west. that's exactly with us because of waiting for eric, this notion that africa sort of needs to balance both sides western partners along with russia. so that it isn't just a victim of this crisis. what do you think of that? um, of my views on the website and that doesn't mean particularly in touch of the suspect give that we seem to be in the situation of the cold war, a thing my previous predefined. just mention that i just want to re emphasize that sign that the situation we have seen today given the function of africa and the

ongoing kostnik is not so very different from the cold war era. and i wouldn't shy to say that out because somehow he's fast becoming the victim of this rule. one that has nothing to do with that because, but as history has always been the case, it's repeating itself. i forgot sending out to be contingent on the course running on a biasing some of those be talking with these that in some i don't want to make the alarms and the time of what she needs to be that i think i know position where you've been the bridge will depend on how they go about it being good benefit from the current situation, but should gain and back on the wrong approach, which i'm quite similar to the more likely it will fire the get shows will be a nominal because how often got beneficial reasonable how or when the when the

relationship between africa and the radio. and so they wouldn't depend on how this morning you created it as well from what you then those who understand a rush, you know, benefit or maybe the benefit even last year is defeated. i may need to come over the weekend, then the future i would say may be very, very good. and maybe i'll be here to bring in that aspect, which i also be trying to get to know the that the situation we face, we've actually got to do where you have challenges on the new thing or trying to lean towards russia is truly based on employee that was created all the years by the wisdom congress because we have going on a post africa to do with the account this happened on well, it's a technical thing to help. oh oh, i can give a serving to do when one would expect. i'm there for people in those congress. all

right. it we, you believe that when that was what was being presented to change your mind? well no, i didn't know, but the western county is the over the years in prison, you'll let me, you know, do what they need to do to help resolve this. going to take a lot of these challenges. we made the biggest, what's last year and, and see what comes out of it. and then you mentioned something about what patrick, i've got to get them before rush. you the big team that was left by them a poser, and they do shut up, stick to what you have to bring out. because you want people to see what they want as shown, because there was no way of that aspect kind of need. all right and caustic, i don't have confidence at all them to the place to go up to 10 resolving coating speaking to shawn, ukraine will just fall most of them to do so. anyway,

it's something something to decide on the site and then the video running out of time. eric, thank you so much. i want to thank all our guests today. victor 11 eric on show and i'll do will have shake of december and that's all the time we have to today for today. thank you to for watching and you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, alpha 0. com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page, and that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter, our handle as a j inside story from me, several then a and the entire team here in the bye for now the the,

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