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walk into the program? i'm several venue african leaders are in russia for an economic form hosted by president vladimir putin. moscow says it wants to bring africa closer, but in a polarized world, after the war and ukraine, that's not an easy task. 17 leaders attended this 2nd, russia, africa summit, less than half the number of the 1st stomach back in 2019 the collapse of the black, c d alone. ukrainian grain exports is causing concern in africa about rising food prices and shortages. so can vladimir putin rear show africans that he is a reliable partner into african countries? risk being caught in the middle of the crisis between russia and the west. we'll get to our guest in a moment. first though, this report from victoria gate. russian president vladimir putin center stage as an economic for him, for african leaders and some pages that is being held at the time when russia is that will end on the sections of many african countries face rising food prices and

shortages as a result of russia's invasion of ukraine preaching has promised to supply a small amount of free grain to 6 african countries, the website, but soon watches share of the global week market. this 20 percent ukraine's is less than 5 percent. this means that is restaurant that is making a significant contribution to global food. security of african nations depends on great imports from black sea poults. but last week, most ago, withdrew from the you and broke a deal. then it showed safe passage of millions of tons of grain from ukraine, which was helping to prevent food shortages in africa. analysts say this so much as an opportunity for african leaders to they'll be teaching for advocates there, i think, and ensuring that they were made to retain access to grading is going to be a big part. my 2nd being that there is some sort of movement on the part of russia . so in for these because the continual war

a committee does have this equity effect and 2nd, all the effect in africa. but this so much is about fall mold and grain roster. exported move in $16000000000.00 worth of goods to africa last year. and it's one of the biggest expos is the farms to the continent. russia spends around $2000000.00 on african inputs annually. mostly fruits and vegetables, notes and minerals. russia wants closer relations with africa, boston the polarized world following the war and ukraine that isn't easy to achieve . new 17 lead is attended. the 2nd russia, africa summit, less than half the number at the 1st summit in 2019. we need to negotiate very wisely the cooperation with russia. we don't want to change one colonize the by. i know i know me to of a, for connection for cooperation and we need to decrease about all score. we have many african lead is attending the summit rule. so cautious not to risk the ties

with the west. it's a difficult balancing act during a time of global instability. victoria gave some beef inside story. the that's pretty good. our guest and most go victor 11, which lead expert to the think tank center for actual politics in luxembourg. eric ashley, the executive director of the african policy for him and, and i, roby. i do have a shake of this, some of that sherman of the horn of africa institute for strategic studies, a warm welcome to all of you gentlemen. to start off this discussion, i want to ask the following question, what's in it for russia? and what's in it for africa? so victor, why don't you take the 1st one? what's in it for russian when it comes to this, russia, africa summit to quote, russia is facing a massive attempt to isolated by the collaborative west by the united states. it's european and some other allies, and of course,

russia are you seeking to break through those of them? so i solution and to maintain and expand its economic, political, military acumen, you did, and then the other relations with but yet is in for the current english and america, and middle in the middle east and southeast asians, other regions of the world. of course, russia scads that additionally this, we have extensive relations with african countries and with some of it can political movements. uh, when, when the united states labeled nelson mandela, they've had of the african national congress, a terrorist used to label him up there just in the early ages. it was the soviet union that support as him and support that the in c a by side movements in south africa and in some of that are in, in uh, what used to be able to use it in some other parts of africa. and so this kind of

addition, uh, uh, this political kind of get this and then the economic kind of get this and you not think of it to be in russia, the united states, since it's european ally is and china and some other uh, some other world players. so this competition is uh, is uh, expanding grand russia once. once do we need think parts in, um, in, uh, uh, support think and uh sell been, uh so you can states develop economically and in other ways. so uh from uh, from the perspective of what the russia can do for africa rush because just threats and those $23000000000.00 in the, in depth to african countries. that's about 90 percent of that stuff. you can companies cab. uh so sorry. that was there, besides that i missed that number. they wouldn't. i cannot be ever on that. that's

a 2020 is 23000000000. has been the original afraid now in that's to where he is african countries and that's about 90 percent before the african deb to to rush so . so rustic has just wiped out. but most of that, that, that was old by various african countries, duration. that's a very significant economic step. and the, it, uh, is going to be taking positively in the number of african capitals. also, it's important to note that ranch a victor who is the magical assistants getting the boy a bit them. mm hm. i'd like to bring up the, we'll have into this conversation. and by the way, that this number that the 90 percent of african debt towards russia has been, uh, has been wiped out. i, i can't fact check it right now. um, but i think it, it certainly deserves to be looked into a big we'll have an i need to ask you the question then what's in this summit for africa? it's a of like a big kid but,

but the good old foot you started was specifically western countries of the say, you know, hush on other side of the go you still difficult for 19 seventies 19 they to so late 19 ninety's of the case. so it kite to know they're going to put us between the power off the list and fall off that last year and say, and that's when, when the fix is full of it. and i think they realize that much about the system know is the real story. they what they want to, they want to show the, well, they want the follows the power of east and west. that's what it has shift today is hosting building 17 come through. so i think up so that the are going to be vice his foot cutting, you know how much it should between the use of it to you. and you will definitely go, if you remember, when i didn't 1979 to suggest is the stuff that you then has assisted definitely can be brushing, you know, well, i'm, and deal africa specifically sold in africa. was a big goal up, you know, sort of because so many of you have to use it, but we, you much,

it is the going to provide those issues full of pick up today. you know, they are waiting more than ever to invest the africa to leave others start going to listen ship. that's exactly what special most it's up to. speed try to know the fuck the, the dusty you know, well if i of mold on a 20000000000, you know, or the or the for if you got medicine to the fresh and the going to develop. but most of the 254-5050 1000000 tons of the game to the buddhist. frequently stages. like so many a it's a yeah. so the difficult public simple be money looking to 1st $1.00 of us. that's exactly the identity of life. the investment to the use of to come more than ever. so don't have, do you believe those russian promises of supplying more grain? and the reason i ask you this, and the reason um, i think it might be worth some of our viewers raising question is about this

problem. is that last time russia made a promise at this summit. the 1st edition of this summit was in 2019 russia said we're going to double our trade with african countries over to $40000000000.00 a year. and that hasn't happened. they haven't even reached half that level. so i understand that russia says it's going to provide more green, but do you believe that promise? i think so, this type of own pleasure is very seriously a lot of to be honest with you last year, the really going to assist african american society. they brought miss this time at home. they have to do what the problem is of the summer. and this time of the serious to, you know, did anything what they called the apartments. they made a lot to know that we are waiting to deliver more than a 50000000 tons of goodness to the pull the scope of the got the one to the saw in vista for the gun society. they won't effectively leave the depth of the got. so

the, the, they, they want to, to see, you know, last year it will pop to the little the color like that. if you look up to us than was to be honest with you for the last of the 60 is over to the of like any dependency. what the, what, what the problem is, what the go live a, you know, what didn't date and also, you know, security issues, us. i mean the come to the position just in bossing this go, does the, you know, again, it's difficult, but he was like, i just, i'm simply focused games up in this business though. so i was level, i wasn't exactly what the warranty offered. what they want to go with us, they don't want the color shut, the democracy isn't pulled up. what i figured today is looking for is a good good with us. you know, you for the stuff the state is the us. so you know, the checking. 6 and the she a, the waiting to bill of the got the fuck investing and for the structure stuff is fucked up in the cities that the district. so they want to do this. the loops

offices i think is the lake is little difficult. 1970. 019 they feel 1990. i think a they want someone who can go fuck this energy. oh cool me button please of this. we don't do that. they want to go to the thought of, you know, speech. i think in the end up, i'll forget the what the development that they mean business if you come to a pick up, but you know, the issue of the, what's the, what's the well, just so you know, you know, like setting up the cryptographic i saw box is always part of the thing, but it was the one of accidental. eric, let me bring you and victor and they will have essentially telling us this is a win win. it's a win for russia. it's a win for africa. your thoughts on that? a yes thing, so by the end, i would like to have a different view from the my previous part, at least just mention that because a we look at where this is all coming from giving home. but what is happening to what are the conflicts? so we shouldn't be extremely, very,

very cautious with all the publishers coming out from the most your kind of, from the kindly because as you mentioned to us you, you to september when the previous speaker was talking. how is this, what made by the 1st of the question, so me in 2019 we haven't seen anything coming out from there. so i don't see why any other one would want to believe that to day or the probably should be meant by those yet today, i won't be fulfilled tomorrow. and we will also see a special this aspect will be in greenwich what seems to be paid. no, unfortunately many of these up your company doesn't have funding for it. if we see the timing where it was, she had decided to just be un broke out. and couldn't you been 0 never was on going . it tells you that she, you moved over here we go. what's your 100 intentions to use? the green a said to to, to know some of this. i think on the this in the dancing to enter the return, what they want. now the deal is i'm sending you something to

be a little, says a law, a received from all the 50 pros, initials, and not be got to day. we have the full 17, the middle states, or some of them come just be represented. there tells you that business. i'm going to supply from the russian perspective. because if we look at those attending attendance on the account, just like the gym also about pre k, then have it moved business. so i'm gonna, this is not the time push you up to the relationship you want. things tend to see calling just like a book, you know. uh so my leave oh gmail or suzanne, or be between the guys who have the site by and by doing something more. do you want to do with all can do for now been the only other option. oh the only on my end on the on and razor enrollment is last year and that is why they have

a late to we all right. love it most go to date to maybe i decide i'm confused to criticize. i do not really see because i'm so maybe not a win win as the previous. i'm not even presenting because most yeah. have risen dramatically games on this property on what they have in terms of all fund the african lead us. well that i assume for them to promises, i would say ok, so victor over to you, what do you make of this attendance that's in a freefall. you know, as a eric was reminding us, and as we said at the top of the show, the last time they held this summit, russia had 40 plus african leaders. and now they have less than half of that. what does that tell us? what do you infer from that as well? first of all, to clarify the adapts forgiveness of that so it's not the overall to off it because 90 percent has been original but to uh to some of you can come to us. uh, and as far as attendance obviously uh the united states. yeah. and uh,

sound good to you or, you know, or i have applied to mathis. tremendous pressure on not vacant capitals to have the level of presence and participation in this time. it lowered, but at the same time, key players have been in attendance. the president, presidents of egypt and south africa, the presidents of zimbabwe are the prime ministers of i'll julia and libya, even the prime minister of morocco with the although the box has been uh, an ally of the united states for, for a very long time. the president of uganda has been the engines, so it's not surprising that the attendance has dropped since the last thrush off because i meant the ways in 2019, because j a political dash has have risen. the conflict between russia on one side,

on the west, on the other side, has become more complicated than the more intense and the pressure on various african states to dance or not that them the as also intensified. of course, if you're going to states are interested in that you're in their own development. and just as i, because it was through in the last cold war between the soviet union and the united states. and that lasted for 40 years from the late from 4 just to the lead beaches . the african states, just like other parts of the global south have been interested in effectively using the confrontation between the west stanza and russia for their own economic benefits that so it's a lot just goals. uh and uh, justified approach to keep relations with the various centers of power, whether it's rash or whether it's j and the united states, india. and then the others who are able to provide assistance in to provide and to

maintain healthy uh, economic and other political and the very least of it. so can you pull it up for a quick 2nd connect for just a quick 2nd. how does it, how does it actually move the needle? i completely understand on a macro level, when you say it's important for a country like russia to want to break inside solution nurture partnerships with other countries. i get that intuitively. i think everybody gets that. how does it actually move the needle when it comes to the russia, ukraine war and to russia's most pressing issues, sanctions relief, all of those things? what benefit do they get from being a, from having that diplomatic pull that they can bring in those african leaders that they can talk to them, that they can host all of them for a summit? what difference does it make as well the united states and size europe and allies are attempting to create a medium fixture integrated share. everyone in the role of the international

community as a whole is a guest, russia, but that is simply not correct. and russia is interested in showing that it is not, uh, it is not uh correct. and that there are a number of partners in the allies around the world and couldn't get enough. it got that they're willing and uh and uh, to, to keep their relations with rushing deck and maintain an expense collaboration with russia in economic, political notes and other seers. it's also important for us or how various you african companies vote in the united nations. and in other international forms, it's also important what positions the big guys during the war of the military conflict in ukraine and as far as the green deal? well, russia was also interested in assign the greens, you know, keeping the green, doing fact. and the rush i was interested in the great and you're working, it's right. in fact, it was being extended every couple months. but uh,

the rushes must cuz position of this is that the rest of the company is if you stop by, by their side of the deal. if you're still you connect process equity cultural bank to swift to cancel the transactions for rushes. 30. 3 as of it was, i'm one. yeah. and the other products being export the to the there were 2 sides to the green. g o y side was ukraine being able to export these green. but the other side was russia being able to export it's negative cultural products, fertilizer and other products as well. so russia was not what i felt. and kids weren't for many months that unless it seemed that it would be taken into account degree and you at some point would uh, would be aggregated. and unfortunately, unfortunately for everyone, it's has been aggregated. and at this point, it's a question of it and you're going to see it in a new going deal or supplying the forest space of optic and some states in the

middle east with the, with green separately. it will not, it was not through the greens. you'll that was a, that's not no longer valid anymore. they will have what kind of support do you think african nations can provide to russia and is it in their interest? it's to be here to, but it's slightly, you know, of the above. so with studies tests i told you before, you know, multiple assist abilities to be so critical unless yeah, they are going to have a much will button a sheet. you don't much with this, but what is picked on the fact, you know, in pressure they're waiting to best off eco, and tablets, so full of decor, integration, health care attempts, care system. and they, for us such a surface like the public as the dyslexia that going to assist african society. my vision filled up in one of the issues like so. you know,

i think it's something somebody to, it's a blessing is. and especially also it could, it has to open this market well, for example, back to so that they can easily and i've been to do with the flesh and bucket best way. and so, since the biggest was for me just to be a couple, couple to get some bull, you know, some, some use book. i mean, fuck do, what's good for the sofa is a free to go to balance the you know, all the, the biggest, you know, member of the state is listed in the, the state is the problem is what this will and what's going on here. you can just set books. oh, we have nothing to do with up in if, if, if the bookstores but to bless you a little that's up to them. africa only the book to be the the piece for the submission of you put in crisis. if they're willing to do so by the office that they need to me to get them, but i'm full of them. but if you want to me, if they want to be the the to last year, then you came. that's like the 1st love it goes to the one to there. this is the

tension, but 2 of us you, i'm, you claim us with. but uh, but i'll send you the credit on that there. so i was like, what falls on that, that's what have your right that a month ago, there was a delegation led by south african president, 0, run a post to try and mediate. um a, it's not a full fledged piece plan, but to try and mediate an easing of tensions between ukraine and russia. and when they landed in keith on the 1st leg of their trip, the kremlin pounded key. but the time with the air with tax i and what came out of that trip, it's very unclear that it really move the needle in any significant way to see you know, what, what definitely come, you know, with the sort of like a, this book spokesman said hey, never had anything on that kind of left, but the example they say that frequently like a day of suffolk into negotiating the new game. so in other words, what we mean is if the willing to negotiate between the, you know, if we got a fixed officer to take another, what is the tension between green i'm, unless you,

if both got this oh, we are waiting for. but the question is, what do we of waiting for you? so what, what a books of all of the, of the one to be to be in the middle of the books will, that's exempted figured out what? but if both sides both list, i'm also the question, say my lines or big science, but to exactly the policy it. so that's a good thing to do that low for both sides. but the problem is frequently the one to be in the middle of the crisis that will do it, the bus will between the east and west. that's exactly with us because of the full eric, this notion that africa sort of needs to balance both sides. western partners along with russia, so that it isn't just a victim of this crisis. what do you think of that? um, of my views on the website. that doesn't mean particularly intelligence. the suspect give that we seem to be in the situation of the cold war,

a thing my previous oper just mentioned that i just want to re emphasize the sign that the situation we have seen today given the function of africa and the ongoing goals leak is not so very different from the cold war era. and i wouldn't shy to say that out because somehow he's fast becoming the victim of this world war that has nothing to do with that because, but as history has always been, the case is repeating itself. again, sending out to be the victim. what would be course running out of biasing some of those be talking with these that a i don't what she thinks you'll want and the time of what she needs the, the full, i think i know position where you've been. leverage will dependent on how they go about it being good benefit from the current situation, but should gain and back on the wrong approach, which are quite similar to the more likely it will expire on the the get shows will

be a nominal because how often got beneficial, reasonable how or where, where the relationship between africa and the radio. and so today would depend on how this morning you created it as well from what here. then those who understand a rush, you know, benefit or maybe the benefit even last year is defeated. i mean, the, the come over the weekend, then the future i would say maybe very, very good. and maybe i'll be here to bring in an aspect which i'll also be trying to get to know that the situation we face. we've actually got to do where you have challenges. i mean using well trying to lean towards royce here is truly based on employee that was created all the years by the, the wisdom congress. because we have the going on across africa to do with the

account. this happened on, well, it's a technical them to help. oh, oh, attempt who was given solving to do when one would expect and therefore the people in those congress. all right. and we believe that when that was what was being presented, the future on the bottom and well, no, i didn't know, but the western county is the over the years in prison, you'll let me, you know, do what they need to do to help resolve this confidential take a lot of these challenges. we may be bleeding last year and, and see i look and see what comes out of it. and then you mentioned something about what patrick. i got to get them to rush you the big team that was left by them a poser, and they just shut off. but how they did, because you didn't want people to see what it was shown because there was no way of that aspect. kind of need all right and caustic. i don't so confident

that i want them to close the place to go up to 10, resolving and coldly speaking to shawn. ukraine will just fall. most of them to do so. it's something to be decide on the site to the video running out of time. eric, thank you so much. i want to thank all our guests today. victor 11. eric, and i'll do will have shake of this. i'm on. that's all the time we have to today. for today, thank you to for watching and you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, l g 0 dot com. if a further discussion go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter, our handle at a j inside story from me, several then a and the entire team here in the bye for now the

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