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the welcome to the program. i'm several then. yea, there's been more violence on the streets of peru and protests against the government and president dina boulevard de demonstrators. what her to step down to view seemingly shared by many, it's a national newspaper opinion poll, giving her a 12 percent popularity rating is to be believed. rising prices the killing of dozens of demonstrators by troops and a growing wealth, divide or old driving political instability. ousted left as president federal castillo remains in jail removed last december, after trying to suspend congress, which is dominated by right wing parties. so, just how fragile is peruse, young democracy, and can this crisis be resolved? we'll get to a guest in a moment. first though, this report from michael soon sharif of the testers and peril has return to the

speech in large numbers to noon. the demands for preston dina blue update, just to call if this price is a demand to better living conditions that have gone onto the end of 2 decades since democratic who was best sold in the country. many of the protest as a supporters of blue was his predecessor, had through pest you. and she had a similar background within the indigenous for and come from google pens mountainous region and went up the see because this is a peaceful mobilization to, to cover over the ministry liberty override to vote the popular vote. we won just this for over more than a 2 people who have been killed by this murderous government. of do you know who the warranty? they have guessed, stepped on us. the police have beaten us. they are miserable and abusive. they are

shooting at our hips. our bodies were locked, who was appointed last year after castillo was removed from office and arrested. following his attempt to dissolve congress and ruled by decree, he'd been accused of corruption and faced the potential impeachment on friday, during an independent state speech. and congress being able to walk the address the demonstrate as demands for the new government of the election. she called for reconciliation. i know for the apologies to the families of the 60 peruvians, can get in protest this year. a big latin. oh, i meant to go to the lord, i declared with great, so that's a tool, victims of wonder. these are a regressive result, that no 11. so, with deep soulful consternation, i ask for forgiveness on behalf of the national state to the relatives of all the c, civilians, police, and military. but i'm good. what they see is

a lack of accountability is what you're driving. these professors will work, pays attention to remain in power until 2026 has also for the fewest public. and she says, she believes with best congress to give an extra powers to come back on the less than fun of to months of protests, the government has probably to restore the economy for the protest. as they said, they determined to keep up the pressure to achieve that goals with consumption. these. c for insights, so all right, let's bring in all our guess. we have a great panel today and lima. paula olga is a journalist to you've spent your career investigating and justice and human rights abuses globally, not just in peru, but you are joining us from lima today. on this in london, have you had a thought of hey, an independent international analyst. also a journalist in historian and in washington, dc. jim, a rebirth associate professor of political science and latin american studies at

george mason university. you are joining us from washington. as i mentioned, a warm welcome to all of you. look, the 1st question may be the hardest. i want to ask all of you just to see where you stand on this. what is the main reason for the dysfunction the level of dysfunction that we are seeing and peru now? and the reason i ask you, this is the country is onto its 6 president in 5 years. and the polling tells us the peruvians hate every thing. every one, the president, congress, everything. all right, so let's start with just one from all of you. the top reason for this dysfunction folder. well i see a main message in the, in the mouse, in the method of payment of precedent. dino and washer was we have space time today and goes to 2026 and she fresh uh no single 90.

but he's supported by a 9 percent out from 6 in denton alliance between castell, smarty and bloody names are wrong. the stream left on the stream. right. and, and which is based on an, i mean most you see, i mean most of you don't work. the police because blo, which is not even a stream, right. or nor is to and there is no imperial as they come. yeah. it is because yeah, it is. uh, they the the extent for humor, right. they stand for your age, ice trends, institution. and they the string for the strength norcross. i know they don't, we don't have any of that. we have a, a, a low, a bigger, bigger validation of our democracy. and these, brooke, cake of commodity, say that you need to turn around and do you know, a lot of it says that they will state and they will fight and which we are,

they are arms to same power on to don't you send a or is it for do with the one, the one in the nation, right? yes. all right, so for you, it comes the, the paralysis and the dysfunction comes from a clash of different political interests. um, alright, let's move on to have yet. what about you? i, i agree with, i agree with bona this on for the allies in the front left on the far right. because i love congress to state be on debates where people wanted them to quick. that when boardwalk decided had monday, did you know, does he ever asked to present this to you? was i was, did she send a proposal for the elections and congress rejected that. they were talking about the end of this year or early next year. con part was rejected that and then the funding to stay on to july 2026, which is when there monday. and so they told us to keep up with us. you'll put this

in likely. he's about one thing is to me or the elections. he's the whole yeah, lions has made a positive for congress. become pretty cheap in the public prices improve couple numbers from, from this opinion poll, and they do this monthly. these are the latest ones from july, 80 percent of peruvians want early elections. that's one thing. 77 percent of peruvians or calling for the shut down of congress. now the approval and i should say, disapproval rating of the president, 82 percent. i mean those numbers are just stunning. and here's the last one to set us off in this conversation. nearly half of the population believes that peru is not a democracy. 49 percent. all right. how the are continue a few weeks. so would you be a piece of democracy because the vice president to go over when the president, before the president gets to you, wanted to set up a quote, but his new democracy, when did they monitor people offered the elections because the new government,

they look up the monday or the people that are watching the books in doubt, they didn't put the credentials over price. you the more lucky not really the protest web great have you reprice us. he was mentioned in, in your report of the beginning of the, of this program that more than 40 people died. 150 people died on even not only human rights watch. and i'm just international the into american commission with human rights to be precise. um, the, you know, the government, not only that on the 25th of july, a group of 15 us senate was from the democratic party, sent a letter to the, the, to the success of the state onto the blinking, talking about, quote, we'd like to express always serious concern, so we're going to switch my wife and we'll proceed. i'm going through this quite a moment. i'm not going to read it too because they speak as a not show what they've expressed consent. there's a problem here. they seem to be a completely different was the president and congress of the people during the month, so certainly rated on the 28th of july that traditional investigative way to find defendants. they improve destination. what would be my cup of coffee eucharist

where me lead? definitely quote, you say that my quote 0 seem to realize that people exist off of the bunk change. thank you. took away the boss between 40 because class ok the crow don't. so we have talking about people leaving on the one hand, you have congress on the executive of the president in one of the people you've been in a completely different part of the work that creates a divorce between the hours. all right, have you, i asked you for one reason you gave me 2 or 3, but your points are well taken, brutal repression of protest is certainly one big reason for the dysfunction in peru. and you agreed with paula about what you called in on holy ally. and so far, right far, left interest that are actually working together to keep themselves according to what you both said to keep themselves in power against the will of the people. jo marie, thank you for your patience in your view. number one reason for this function in peru and thanks for having me. and i just want to say i, i agree with what's been said so far. but i'd like to take

a broader view because your question is asking about the last 6 years of his constant turnover in peru, 6 presidency, the last 6 years, tremendous instability. hughes discontents. and there's one thing that's constant from 2016 when this instability really took hold of the country and today, and that is k go for g. maury and her on bridles. ambition for power. in 2016, she lost the elections to present to them the person who she ran against pay the bottle kuchinski. and she refused to acknowledge her defeat. and she used her majority in congress to do everything in her power to have him removed from office, which they achieved. they did the same thing to the following president, the president, after that one custody was elected in 2021. they actually refused to acknowledge his admittedly narrow victory over her 3rd attempts to run for office and cook

cried fraud without producing any evidence whatsoever. and clearly she is and who block is very much behind the block. they government and they are seeing very clearly that this is their pat, finally to power. and so i think it's important to understand the unbridled how the unbridled ambition of cagle's would you, maury and her political block in the destabilization approve of fragile democracy is. so you're saying the impeachment of not the current, but the former president, mr. castillo was impeached in december late last year. that impeachment is on account of misfortune. maurice building block in congress. it was a broader right wing building block, but yes cables would you maurice block was a central piece of that. absolutely. and it should be noted that from the beginning, right, i mentioned that they refused to acknowledge his, his victory from in the 1st place. and they tried persistently,

to have him removed from what he was permanently attacked and undermined from the congress. is this right when coalition lead by a pickle for january's party and they achieve their goal? i mean he, he did try that. um, uh, dissolved congress which was unconstitutional and so he needed to be removed at that point. but the whole time he was in office, they were trying to remove him and undermine his ability to govern which, which they did effectively. so there's, there's a double double element there going on, joe murray. since you're telling us to look into the rear view mirror for some of the deeper causes of this, remind us of the food you more he dentist do you because you mentioned keiko food. you more before that there was her father who was also a president who has since been jailed for human rights abuses for corruption. maybe tell us what role the food you mores are playing in what we're seeing today, a sore. so take a hold, you more his father as active would you marie, i was elected president in 1990. but within a year or so of his presidency,

he carried out the original sales to he shut down congress and ruled by the crew with the support of the armed forces. human rights violations were massive and systematic under his government. the, the fragile democracy, the approval had at that time was systematically dismantled. and authoritarian system was put in place in which there was massive unbridled corruption. one of the reasons he was in jail is because of corruption, but he's also in jail because of the mass of human rights abuses that were committed during his regime. his daughter take a was his by, uh, his um, 1st lady for the last 8 or so new years of his government after he divorced his wife. so she had a direct role in his government. and it was after that because you morning was arrested, prosecuted in jail for human rights abuses. the her political career really took

off. she'd been a 7th. she's been a congressperson before that, but she made a career out of freeing her father from jail. and in the meantime, she's built a huge political machine. she is currently facing herself, accusations of money laundering, and corruption or waiting for it for the trial to actually start um, but her party remains a lot of power in congress and they get a lot of support from the business. the leads because of their support of proves neo liberal. busy or economic model. okay, paula, back to you. the current president's any presidents in this context, given everything that we've explained would need to wipe the slate clean and dena boulevard today address the nation for friday. and she said look, you need to, i need more time. we need a national die logs previously prior to that when she came into power, when she was sworn in, she had promised to form

a unity government. so she is on paper saying the right things, national dialogue, unity, government give us some time. and she also did tries to give the people what they wanted, which was early elections on paper. that all seems to make sense. yes . but he says, i want dialogue. i want to a cross conventions in 2 months. but in the other hand, he says, no, we in state until 2026. and i do see the police are a, are a pricing with the producer of the police in video is now you saw i raises police police that a tribe with the woman. and they are very, very cash to, to every, every professor who using the street, they don't care if you sign your lease a mom or

a man. and he's betty search for, for us because sleep very saw a nonsense on the says it needs democracy. she's not the democracy anymore. i need to know where you are to say. i see it's like a puppet of all their interns in the national york state's speech. there was no interest in the sending to the, the miners with the federal bureau investigation, the for the name 9 there during the process. but the most important scene for me is that philosophy that's left behind. he's abandoned a woman's right. and to the horny eliah on each box is for woman human rights. it because the streams on the right on the left, one to go over and and to do so some 30 seats. and that is, that is really, really, sir, because we are watching how democracy is the where they do it

every day, every day. because now the people are a single advertising industry. we know we worked it to do then. and then once to see what's happened on the street who's to blame? because we need to spend a little bit of time on this post to blame for the dozens of people who've been killed in the protest have yet. is this should, should the blame the lady at the door of the current president? do you know by the warranty? is a deeper than that, is it before her or is it castillo, who. c to the buck stops of the precedent block. she authorized each repression. she approved, but she did not condemned it. she only apologize and save them solely on the 28th of july because of the pressure those weights on the under these. but they bought the stuff, stuff on the police, been to abuse under many, many testimonies over the use just committed by the police of things, you know, simple test system. a peaceful protest. is this, the buck stops on the ha,

she's the person looked through. she's the one who just refreshing, she's the one who let them get away with it. do you have not investigated or any kind of investigation of just fine issues of human rights to ask for forgiveness as being particularly shuttle if you ask me because there's no what in, punish those why we're supposed to be brutal repression as the japanese think that national safety motorized watched. it's interesting to excuse me. so in douglas big, she is responsible for these. nothing has been done to investigate you. some uses tv services fund on cheese. we're supposed to find the fact that people who think that when she finishes the presidency, she will have to be indicted on flight for the cameras as president. would you model for representing him already? well, by the way, i would like to mention something very briefly. 7 so officially threw up the names likely for corruption and human rights violation. seek seek one, have been committed suicide under garcia. so committed suicide of people, people's arrested. so there's a social, it says milton political system improved on police. even in this we think is

context the powers to abuse. or, you know, there are full retreat for the consequences the to be seen and provide them to marie. you look at dina boulevard today is biography, and you think she actually could be very well positioned to unite the country. she speaks catch where she is not from the business elite in lima. she's from the provinces. she ran on this platform of, you know, of castillo being a man of the people and redistributing wealth to the marginalized, disenfranchised communities. and yet i've now heard twice in this conversation. she's a puppet. as i understand that reading between the lines puppet for the the right wing coalition that controls congress. do you agree with that? absolutely. 100 percent. and i think that's one of the reasons that people are so angry with her because she was elected a long. so i say that across to you on a, on a campaign promise of redistribution of addressing the countries long standing any

quality and racial discrimination. and she's done absolutely the opposite. she came to power with the blessing of the right wing alliance and congress. and she governs today thanks to their support. they're virtually the only people that support her, aside from the very wealthy business men and women and in peru. and so i think that's one of the main reasons why there's so much anger towards her . it's not only because of the repression of the protest, which is another element, is also the fact that she is seen as essentially a betraying um, the thing that brought her to power, right? the promises that brought her to power and essentially giving essentially free reign to this right wing alliance, not only to govern but to destroy peruse democracy. and i think it's important to highlight this, that in the past 7 months under the government,

the congress has engage in a series of actions that have we can peruse rules last week. and it's democratic institutions and really eviscerated the balance of powers which is essential to any democracy can give you specific examples of that. but i think it's important to understand. it's not just that she's ruling side by side with this right wing alliance, but this right wing alliance is literally dismantling. peruse democracy before our very eyes. and when the either in the are in your initial segment, there was a protest. her who said, you know, we're here demanding democracy, we're here demanding respect for our vote. were these, this is the politically the pro democracy protest. people are upset that this ruling click has basically taken hold of their institutions and are destroying it. and a lot of what's behind all this are corrupt interest. all right, so it's pretty clear from what you all said that congress is

a major issue here. of course the president matters, but president is one person. congress is a system. and paula, you started our conversation, in fact, by saying that congress currently is controlled by people, want to keep themselves in power against the will of the people. how does that, how does that get changed? the next collections for the moment are in 2026. so 3 years from now, and i know that's at the heart of this political battle, protest is one early elections for the moment. those are not happening. multiple bills have been put the congress by the way, to get those early elections. those bills have not passed. so how do you go about, i suppose fixing peruse broken system then if the people who are supposed to fix it, the lawmakers are not going to change the laws on the books. well, it's ha, ha, ha, i'm here because we don't have a strand. if somebody can find a now in the, the congress as joe mighty says they are,

they then the, the right and the last we and together we never loved it to is chasing power back to the bigger they them abruptly faking or their new situation on those my office in the garage institution, it is the good one that was it that you're not on the one to keep on. we don't have a lot of time left heavier. i'm wondering this conversation, i think has shown light on the fact that the, this, the system is blocked, that there are vested interest. that essentially what you're all telling us want to prevent peruvian is from choosing who they want. and from fundamentally changing the country. that's a recipe for disaster. dozens of people have already been killed. where do you see? how do you see this ending? 5 year of the through doesn't have a making process for candidates. they should be as independent street making a profit for candidates any because the, you know, one house mortgage should be,

you know, for a candidate not be allowed to stop. that's a bad thing because the whole, the case you said your memory from the host about intensive corruption on the person of, of using older company before these people were linked to it. but your call was people who are the people who own individual being phishing, the region would they be, could be elected members of color. so this would be an independent vacant project which does not allow the company this we adult, you bob dro, just on football risk or precedent or any other post. the main thing that we have to talk because we don't have that kind of process in through. that's the only way to make sure that people who go to congress of people, faculty representative bookkeeping to represent the cost depos properly on the other ones. i've used to follow the top so the comments of them is very polarized, although we've talked about this on the nice be too far, but there is some problem, right? but um, the problem is sending, if these people are trying to protect themselves from okay, multiple cases multiple to get enough price. i know that. so this should be

a baking process to make sure that whatever both departments will reset the company, that has a clean bill health party to go. so to make sure that the represented the secrecy, probably a better or vetting process as a potential fix or to, to start cleaning up the political system just before we wrap this up, jewelry, any final words on, on how this ends and also something i was wondering listening to javier, is there somebody is there a name, a person of personality that has enough cloud to perhaps pull the country back? that's a really good question. so i'm, i think i just wanna, you know, i think the heaviest idea of a betting process is essential. but we still have this problem of this coalition that is not willing to give a powder power. and i think are actually trying to get up to create a system in which they perpetuate themselves in power, right? so what i see in the immediate future is more protest, more police violence, more chaos and more instability. their governments like my government,

the united states, which is claiming to support democracy and human rights improved by supporting the government. and what they're doing is exactly the opposite. what proved needs now or early elections to start a new process. a new set of leaders and new rules like have here is suggesting to make sure that people who are not criminals, not corrupt, are the ones holding the highest office of the land. a jewelry, i really appreciate your insights, heavier paula, all of you. thank you so much for coming on the show today and sharing your perspectives with us. and thank you for watching the program. once again, any time by visiting our website, alpha 0 dot com and for further discussion to go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter or handle at a inside story. for me, several venue in the entire team here in doha, like the

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