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hello welcome to the program. i'm adrian cynic. a vision has seen wising mt french sentiments since it's military to post the president and took pilot last wednesday . and recent on several countries in west africa, i've moved and the ministry ties with friends, demanding the french troops leave the region. the former colonial power appears to be losing its influence in the hill. that's despite president donati on the cones election permits to reset prize with the continent. so what's behind the shift? what role as mccomb played and where the french africa relations go from here? we'll get to our guests in just a moment. but 1st, a report from felix now are long live pollutants, and down with friends. some of the johns echoed by townsend's of supporters marching through the streets of new jersey to me on me. the youngest lose francis

suspension of all development and financial aid to new share prompting some protesters postponing the french embassy and setting fire to its entrance. the new here is the resilient. we are resilient. if today, the national budget has been inflated, tripled quadrupled quickly. because of stealing, what we produce is more than enough for us to survive. so we really call on the armed forces, the security forces, cnsp really not to give in any black, may have thought. it just the people who are suffering in this country is you're interested in believing like this. the people are coming out to support the colleges because they're here to bring the balance for the country. the french and government has condemned to the rules of retaliation. if any of the citizens of home, the use of colonial and new colonial influence appear to have

resulted in a decline in front of influence in west africa. and some now see russia as an alternative in china to is competing for influence funding or lending money for large development projects. in 2017, after winning the french elections, president emanuel mccomb said he would reset relations with africa. the colonial past wouldn't be replaced by what he called a new vision or balanced partnership. now, how can you get somebody to look into the 3 organization is not meant to be a retreat or this engagement. it will materialize through any of africans ation or mutual operation of these big bases afflicted. but recent developments have challenged this approach. last year, french troops were forced to leave molly and book, you know, fossil when the military rulers opted for new alliance with russia. in the form of

the most entity walk in a group. now with the judas cool leaders, strongly speaking out against friends, it's not clear where that leaves its influence of the region or it's fight against the groups, the legs, new or for inside story. all right, let's forget, i'll guess for today's discussion from some motto in fonts for joined by is that gretel, who's a senior research fellow of the global policy institute, the think tank from power is sweet, joined by judy charlie, political and security risks consultant at total risk of consulting from with the focus on economic can strategic intelligence and from johannesburg. larissa, lorenzo, an independent political and economic risk list a warm welcome to you or chocolate start with you. what's going wrong for fonts in africa. president background wanted to transform fronts. this relationship with it's for the colonies, but has had to rethink his approach off to

a series of humiliations. to what extent is, is this about mccaul personally? what just about fonts? i don't think it is just about them. i call it says probably about frost goods on forget that defrances increase enrollment in the site or region starting into falls in generally 2015 when uh uh because you dog hold it all responded to go from the universities to stay in the pool was the action of g a, these group to. ringback going towards that my group, i'd stopped that as a time from trumpia is action was way come by the population flexibility on was a step. deacon said it wasn't best day. these live french flags, the avery, where so froth was see the as an army of the variation. but as of, of the,

the security situation, you know, the improving the spice of the prevalence of thousands of french troops in many, uh, there was, these are sent mentioned to population and the neighborhood, the, all me a few versions started to be seen that as an army of occupation ad foxy's presence in west africa was shot a desired especially was challenge cross. oh, so is the ex could on your boss or the strong antique or your feelings then is spread to a booking, a central african republic with his son get resa brush and ended in 2016. then after that, you had the book, you know, for so we do cruise, which led to just the default. you, i'll do french forces and now the range being all differential organization e design. nice need. yeah. is actually a victim of how,

where defense feelings are being expressed. but it's difficult to say how strongly they are shared by the population seems to be we've seen some of the month straight . sions, as once again, we see beyond the fios of russia, russia at russia is not the only country. many countries are interested in the spots on the web, and wall to undermine frost was being forwarded on time. really, yes, it's true. the most of that region is on top of africa, show security, controlling governments, goods, the case frontage, influence they couldn't meet and put it decor being that by the web as they would be next week. and you know, test against process in trans uh, becoming a never be as strong so. okay. all right let's, let's just bring it on a. do you agree with with what jack jack was saying, this isn't necessarily about in the crowd on how to his personality and the way of

doing things. why is this so much and see french sentiment in africa today and what is changed to hello, this is, this france is when the, as each has been saved, it's is one of the, the, let's say, the most part of for the popular mall i story corner of popular when known by the this area. so i sing this, no, it's no more a question of being a foam or of colonial is to power. it's finish this period. i think we, i'm throwing into a globalization a, a period. that means that's 1st of order to, we have more computers, that's all i received that the more easy to, to deal with, let's say. and also we don't adopt a french toyota in the country. the,

or even the american as adults adopt the approach to the continents. because also we have new generation. we have a new needs new, let's say the month from paul call, sheep on many, many points is the fact that now the, the book relations they ask for sharing the, the, well some of the resources that they have on their own side. so of mainly what is old was it say, then you get to hear that's of any cool i need the most ration is the fact that's a well the and the narrative is that so they, we, they fight again. the government, which is range to a power of foreign power from so us the, which we choose at, let's say sharing the resort, see them the wells, the fall,

the government from state to state. and that's to uh, the benefits of the population. and so that i think that it was always somewhere in the, in the discourse of the, let's say, the order to put this or is, i'm on the, the, the, the, the position in the boxes. but no, it's much more open the said, and it's, it's a way of how to say no. we've also seen you and we want to get our resources. got marissa on a, on a full nation visit to africa back in march president. the concept, the day is a funk of freak is one of the truly over friends have no desire to return to past the policies of interfering in africa. the people that believe that that is true the the case, it doesn't even matter. but to what extent is france, that is, africa policies become

a relevant on the confident i think what we're actually looking at here is liz backlash against funds and more actually looking at what has happened in post colonial africa. and this doesn't just include it's a hill, but it includes the entire region. and really the promises that all of the expectations that we had of post great north africa was to have grades of democratic societies. more freedom, more prosperous economies helped by aid from the waste and that is not really happened. and of course we've seen this tape holding us to hell. and that being against funds because front is really one of the biggest act as a, but i don't see this as particular and to french cents a month. i think that we can see this democratic back sliding happening in many other countries across the region. because the font is the biggest player, that it's the one that will get the most attention and the most focus. but for me, what is the most concerning about the events that have taken place? most of the cruise that we have seen for the past 3 years is really that these are

not actually popular uprising cuz we don't actually know what these populations want. a lot of cases have actually been military cruise. so what this means is that we're not actually looking for a particularly better future, would not necessarily looking to say, okay, we don't want fonts, but do want someone else, respectively just saying small groups of people saying that we feel that we should actually be in power now, and it's out tend to take it forward at whatever the associated economic difficulties we're having, we're going to be the ones to, to solve that. but the thing is, these problems are all very done. the grades and there's not just one after that's responsible for them. i think of course, some of the backlash against the font is warranted because we can say that from the colonial pair, they will not the political system set up and handed over. but these bad practices have affected me being in transit by leadership in post colonial after what i want is the largest have gotten worse. and what that means is that we're just going to see more instability, very so i wanted to ask you if, if the french policy pops concentrated too much on,

on helping governments and not people them, people, uh, some of them dictatorship. some, it does not explain, at least the public resentment towards france potentially, but i think that if you kind of look at post colonial discourse in africa, it has really focused on what happened the colonial period. and what colonial act is that? it focuses less on the want need as a place called of needs has done, and certainly these, these haven't changed these bad practices. but we can also argue that it's not necessarily fonts that is just supported some less democratic regimes. but also advocates being the recipient of a lot of ada, unless you could also argue has effectively helped some of these leaders to stay in place and taking the responsibility on the boat and close them all developing they own countries and not really held them to account so, you know, it's a very, it's a very complex argument, but i think it's one that is definitely worth having a jack to what extent does fronds become escaped codes for many of africa's

problems. so yeah, i think that's the right foot fonts has become east to escape good folks or secret d social economic programs in that positive, the waterfall, and the claim that you bring back a pc money. but the table do, it's very difficult. we see the g a g yet is fred, is spreading over the region and froth was meant to act as a brutal work against it in and especially in the case of a, of a new jail which have become after the for a book enough is. so, and by the way, from federalism forces, charles was the code that writing, we the, that should over the me of nisha was not the university was there as a backup. but still it's d. c, because it's false because of the past the story wrong doings doing to the punitive

i forgot to do a bit of concept freak of use the is the i did a scape goat for all the social and economic problems of that region. it's quite easy for a we need to read who want to over for good what i receive it, shut it stopped. it was the demand for the thought you upfront the school was the result of the into the, into an old feud. it's a general jenny, who would be the head of the presidential gall adults, the previous presented by the food from since 2011 and state as the present shorter . gov of the blood with the new uh, the sioux and the full e a pound key from what here. e, v, it will be dismissed. as a result. besides,

they do the stages of ad at 1st was touch and go and then it was drawing to eat or so these uh it is quite tough. but all the commanders on the full series of of, of the share who fake. oh, bring a message that civic governments demo, the government, backed by the west, important in dealing with the security and economic situation of the country. that is better to go back to the host of all the jury. rude strongly. does that appealing to the patuto deep feeling which shops felons which oh, so a, be this, the 2 french feelings in the region of been filed by a russia developing a group, the companion ad. but i don't think that the, the case of new ship, russia was behind to move something small. do it cheaper. and maybe russia is,

might be hoping to capitalize. but it's interesting to see that the, the adopted a study cooler across to them are asking for the restoration of democracy, not for the restoration of present the zoo, but didn't play you saw from the okay. by which you can see all things. i'll be able to check, i don't want to get to bump down and, and what's going on in, in this? yeah. right. all right, one. okay, i'm gonna look up a more a french policy if you like. and what are the risks to funds itself, internally of instability in these, these countries? some of them former colonies, allied to islamic militant groups to let you know, 1st of all, i think the, the main, the main issue, the, the many consequences is the 1st of all what's, what's the, the, the, the decided deduction? because as you know, men are equal was the size of a bus threatening to,

to use for awesome the especially especially key assumptions. and we know that to include in some shows a we 1st of all of the, uh, have a big in the box and the units or am and the, the human, the and so sure. and it kind of because the facts and the population. so the 1st of all, let's see, something like that. so you can leave, of course. uh, if the, the is the boeing, the, the negotiation for me, i, i guess that's the beginning in the, the, the how to deal with is the substitution is 1st of all to, to, to raise the voice of, to, to, to have the logical point of view to defend the position, the 4 inch of the stakeholder, linset, and the to open to lead the, to leave and negotiations and goes through all of these things. and the finally,

the home phone negotiation and compromise. so i hope that's next week we will we some of that and what, and notice what notice as oh, what's happening in these when the colonies of young people in front been taking about about about what's going on. the of course, you know, is this something that we had during the, the, as our spring do, you know, remembering the 2000 the 11, it was exactly the same situation in a way that the enemy was much more the, the united states. and the us, you, we had the same situation. one come present, come. so the neighbor countries, they were infect saved by such a revolution as it has been the, the cold and the, and then of course, in europe, you have the, in the big get a cool of that. the some young people that never any young

a can the adult if i was such a situation and maybe not by trying to raise the racial flag, but much more on containing. and let's say the, the, the know the color in the end is, but the, them, they're kept, he says is 12, didn't get. and the way how the population has been the invited by a said sure policy. okay, but we so i'll come to you just a moment before shack shoot. you want to come back on on what you just heard that i, i swear you, you want to give it to jack? yeah, you want to talk about the dentist should or do you don't know what impact always on cross the justification but falls intervening even in a strong manner in money, especially and looking up a so a guess judges group was at the time the fear of terrorism is studies to arisen of foot. we've had process it been a victim of easter eastern,

just did or was an honest or we, tory but you know about to draw a nice and all that. but it's, i don't think he did just movement. he, i forgot, i've never been involved in actions on the front of so to add all the extra numbers as being the result sections titled the by guy dot co dash. but the reason why frost is steve, steve wants to intervene again, is just screw, is you know, that to protect the countries all the god forgive me of where we go is that j o these countries fear that the gen is splitting folks genies of splitting from the no to yourself could be stuck with eyes this region. so this side was the run box. the guys further this w addition, all the countries of the god forgive me. but now there's,

that's the dean voltage off and you share that the west and the countries of the league, which uh, jewelry pro, west uh, could face the facility, need ship, fed add. okay. she had this from, for advantage of the situation. okay. the bad situation which we did that saw arising from the school. okay. merisa time is it again so, so i'm gonna get 2 more questions in here. the 1st day is africa making a mistake by turning away from fonts in favor of other partners. you've got russia, but it's not the most and res, accusations of human rights abuses by that brushes this information campaigns in the digital sphere. china, which gets involved in africa all from the great cost. surely the french uh, mobile 9 and reliable part. that's why does an africa see it that way? so to stay full and i will definitely say it again, which is that i don't think it's up to us to say that, you know,

front has been always for africa own the african countries can decide the future that they want to have. but there's one thing that i really want to pointed out from what the other 2 speakers have said today, which is that you know what, this fonts where you have to lose in this situation. and i think one thing that has been missing from this conversation so far is that's some of the biggest companies in the world, like the oil and gas majors, engineering firms, the french and fonts you know, needs to have good relations across the entire world, including in africa to also protect the stick nomic interests because these companies, of course, with a major and destructive projects, for example, they do support the french economy a lot. so this is really one of the big motivations that front has and this is wide wants to keep. it's in for wednesday, and of course he doesn't want that influence to go to other nationalities with united other countries because then effectively they can get their own companies in the and i think that that's something that we also do have to come to the front this is one of the biggest economies in the world did want us to sustain that it

doesn't want any diminishing influence, especially in africa, which is becoming a battle ground. and it's becoming a battle ground in 2 ways. the 1st is that it's not your, you know, by total world with the cold war, you have to choose the soviet until the americans. that insecurity is also increasing in the reach of. so there's a lot during our upfront doesn't want to lose influence in the middle of that. and the main reason is economic, i'm sorry to interrupt. we for about 3 minutes left. so i, i need a brief thoughts this from, from you will hear the same question to, to all of you about a minute each, please. what should frances africa policy look like? what role can it, should it be playing on the confident that would be acceptable to the confidence leaders and it's people track for somebody if a brand new road in front of us for today is to be uh to backup. i read, i bought the boxes where i will governments, uh,

as just as i would like to say that the couldn't make it the rest of the process of been declining was 0. is a french companies, fresh interpreters already. i forgot and i could have bought a regroup far example. so there's a new wellness that i forgot is not a treasure chest. everyone was too good to be active in the fall over to, to the china or the arab countries. just so many, many roads and so, so when confronts duke and they hope is to be able to collaborate with some governments over 40 the books 50. but it's not the case. and from the speech trying to preserve the, the, the important countries for the front entry couldn't meet is the countries motoring . they've got some good ideas and i'm watching future friends french policy in africa look like. well, i assume that's 1st of all those things up from says to, to be the no more to be normalized as above the, not

a specific spatial functional of civil. that'd be nothing any for, for friends, but also for the i freaking so that has to, they have to do it together as a pop. now that can be do business ways. so on some of those that are let me know. so that's the, the, let's say the, the country is the, the, the states in africa they have to, they found a bit more of their, their own resources. for instance, in the mining could either as and be re form since many, many years. and it's not the benefits of the states. so uh, i think that's what the police, charlotte, among many seems i, i guess i ask for a and then you kind of both my sheep that's, that's a, that's a be able to, to share. as i said,

the reservices and for the country and the position to benefit from those buffer sheets. so asking this approach has to be done as you know, frances, dealing with jo, money or uncertain and africa. we use it to you. i don't know what's so the terms of i have to be there and both sides. okay. merisa, then what role should africa should draw the front of your playing in africa? that would be acceptable to the confidence leaders. i'm that to people. so when lucon did conduct, this was a cheerful african countries early this year he went, took upon and going to the republic of congo and the democratic republic of congo. she was fairly well received today, and that was at the time that he promised that funds were to take a step back from, you know, policy making and politics and african countries. but that instead of it would provide, will commit military training, started military academies in africa. and does that seem to be unacceptable?

step back that piece of involvement for african countries. so i think that is my con would stay true to his word in that regard. i think that that would be relatively well received going forward. okay, that we must edit, manufacturing, dave drop rental and traditionally, and marissa lorenzo as being part of today's program. i'm thank you for watching. you can see the program again at any time by going to the website. i'll just do a dot com for further discussion. join us about facebook page. you'll find that at facebook dot com forward slash h, a insights story. and of course, you can join the conversation on twitter, handle the inside story for me. i agree instead of going on the team here and so on . thanks for watching. we'll see you at the the

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