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sentiments since it's military to post the president and took pilot last with the state. in recent months, several countries in west africa i've moved, and the ministry ties with friends, demanding the french troops leave the region. the form of colonial power appears to be losing its influence in the hill. that's despite president donati on the cones election permits to reset prize with the continent. so what's behind the shift? what role as mccomb played and where the french africa relations go from here, we'll get to our guests in just a moment. but 1st a report from felix now are a long live clinton and down with friends. some of the chance work by townsend's of supporters marching through the streets of new jersey to me ami. the youngest follows from suspension of all development and financial aid to new share prompting some protesters to student, the french embassy and setting fire to its entrance. the new year is resilient. we

are resilient. if today the national budget has been insulated, tripled quadrupled quickly. because of stealing, what we produce is more than enough for us to survive. so we really call on the armed forces. the security forces. cnsp really not to give in to any black may have thought it just the people are suffering in this country is you're interested in believing like this. the people are coming out to support the colleges because they're here to bring the balance for the country. the french and government has condemned to the rules of retaliation if any of its citizens of home, the use of colonial and new colonial influence appear to have resulted in a decline in france's influence in west africa. and some now see russia as an alternative china to is competing for influence funding or lending

money for large development projects. in 2017, after winning the french elections, president emanuel mccomb said he would reset relations with africa. the colonial past wouldn't be replaced by what he called a new vision or balanced partnership. now, how can you get somebody to look into the 3 year organization is not meant to be a retreat or this engagement. it will materialize through any of africans ation or mutual operation of these big bases. but recent developments have challenged this approach. last year, french troops were forced to leave molly and book, you know, fossil when the military rulers opted for new alliance with russia. in the form of the most entity walk in a group right now with the judas cool leaders strongly speaking out against fronts . it's not clear where that leaves its influence of the region or it's fight

against the groups. the legs, new r 4 inside story. the alright, let's bring it out. yes. for today's discussion from some model and fonts for joined by is that gretel, who's a senior research fellow, the global policy institute, the think tank from power switch. roy by judy charlie, political and security risk consultant at the total risk of consulting firm with a focus on economic can strategic intelligence and from johannesburg, larissa, lorenzo, an independent political and economic risk list a warm welcome to you or chuck. let's start with you. what's gone wrong for france in africa? president metronome wanted to transform fronts this relationship with it's for the colonies, but it's had to rethink his approach off to a series of humiliations. to what extent is, is this about mccaul personally? well, trust about france. i don't think it is just about them. i call it says probably

about frost goods. don't forget that the francis increased the enrollment in decided origin started in 2000 in generally 2013. when uh, uh, because you don't hold it all responded to a goal for me in that universities to stay in. the po was the action of g, a. these group we're going to tools that meant i'd stopped that as a time. frauds from these action was way come by the population flexibility on was a step. deacon said was the best day these live french flags, avery, where so froth was see the as an army of the variation. but as of, of the, the security situation, you know, the improving the spice of the, for those of falls. i was a french troops in many uh, there was, these are sent mentioned to population and the liberal, the, all me

a few versions started to be seen that as an army of occupation, ad prophecies presences west africa was chuck decided, especially was challenge for us. oh, so is the ex code on your boss or the strong antique or your feelings. then it spread to book, you know, a central african republic with his son get resa brush and ended in 2016. then after that, you had a book, you know, for, so we had to cruise, which led to just the default. you, i'll do french forces and now the range being all differential organization, e design. nice need ya is actually a victim of how, where and defense feelings are being expressed. but it's difficult to say how strongly they are shared by the population seems to be. we've seen some

demonstrated sions as once again, we see beyond the fios of russia, russia at russia is that the only country, many countries are interested in the spots on the web, and wall to undermine frost was being forwarded on time. really, yes, it's true. the most of that region is all of africa, show security, controlling governments, but it's no longer the case frontage influence. it couldn't meet and put it decor being that by the web as they would be next week. and you know, test against process in trans uh, becoming a never be as strong so. okay. all right let's, let's bring it on a. do you agree with with what? sure. jack was saying that this isn't necessarily about mcgraw on how to his personality and the way of doing things. why is that so much and see french sentiment in africa today and what was changed to hello. this is,

this france is when the as h has been saved. it's is one of the, the, let's say, the most part of florida popular mall. i story corner of buffalo, uh, well known by the, this area. so uh and i seem to know, uh, it's no more a question of being a foam or of colonial is to power. it's finish this period. i think we, i'm sorry, into a globalization, a period that means that's 1st of order to, we have more competitors. that's elmwood we received that the more easy to, to deal with. let's say it on the also we don't adopt a financial yoke in the country, the, or even the american as adults as up the approach to the continent. because also we have new generation. we have a new need, new,

let's say the month from paul call, sheep on many, many points is the fact that now the, the book relations they ask for sharing the, the, well some of the resources that they have on their own side. so of mainly what is own was or say them you get to hear that's of any cool i need the most ration is the fact that's a well the and the narrative is that so they, we, they fight again. the government which is range to a power of foreign power from so us and. busy which we choose uh, let's say sharing the resort. see them doing well let's, let's follow the government from state to state and that's to uh, the benefits of the population. and so that i think that it was always somewhere in

the, in the school. so the lead, so the, or the professor as i'm on the, the, the, the, the position, the policies. but no, it's much more open the said, and it's, it's a way of how to say no, we've also seen you and we want to get our resources. got marissa on a full nation visit to africa back in march president. the crohn said the days of front come, freak is why don't truly over for us have no desire to return to past the policies of interfering in africa. the people that believes that that is true, be the case. it doesn't even matter. but to what extent is france, that is, africa policies become a relevant on the confident i think what we're actually looking at here is liz backlash against friends and more actually looking at what has happened in post

colonial africa. and this doesn't just include that's a help, but it includes the entire region. and really the promises that all of the expectations that we had of posting on africa was to have great to democratic societies. more freedom, more prosperous economies helped by aid from the waste and that is not really happened. and of course, we seen this too cold, and that's a hell and that's been against funds because france is really one of the biggest act as a. but i don't think this has particular end to french cents a month. i think that we can see this democratic back sliding happening in many other countries across the region. because the font is the biggest player that it's the one that will get the most attention and the most focus. but for me, what is the most concerning about the events that have taken place? most of the cruise that we have seen for the past 3 years is very that these are not actually popular uprising cuz we don't actually know what these populations want. a lot of cases have actually been military cruise. so what this means is that we're not actually looking for a particularly better future,

would not necessarily looking to say, okay, we don't want fonts, but do want someone else, respectively just saying small groups of people saying that we feel that we should actually be in power now, and it's out tend to take it forward at whatever the so, so it can nomic difficulties. we're having, we're going to be the ones to, to solve that. but the thing is, these problems are all very down the grades and there's not just one act that's responsible for them. i think of cause some of the backlash against the font is warranted because we can say that from the colonial period, they will not political system set up and handed over. but these bad practices, i'd be sick to be being in transit by leadership in post colonial after what i, what is the largest have gotten worse? and what that means is if i were just going to see more instability, very so i wanted to ask you if, if the french policy pops concentrated too much on, on helping governments and not people, some people, uh, some of them dictatorships. i mean, does that explain at least the public resentment towards france

potentially, but i think that if you kind of look at post colonial discourse in africa, it has really focused on what happened the colonial period. and what colonial act is that? it focuses less on the want need is a place called of needs has done and certainly these, these haven't trained to these bad practices. but we can also argue that it's not necessarily fonts that has just supported some less democratic regimes. but also it advocates being the recipient of a lot of aid, unless you could also argue has effectively helped some of these leaders to stay in place and taking the responsibility on the boat and close them all developing they own countries and not really held them to account, so you know, it's a very, it's a very complex argument, but i think it's one that is definitely worth having a jack to what extent does fronds become escaped codes of somebody of africa's problems to yeah, i think that's the right foot fonts has become east to escape good folks or secret

d social economic programs in that positive the waterfront of the claim that you bring back a pc money. but uh with the table do it's very difficult. we see the g a judge yet is fred is spreading over the region and froth was meant to act as a blood work against it in an especially in the case of a, of a d j which would become after the 4 of booking at 1st. so, and by the way, from federalism forces, charles was the cobra raging. we the that should over the me of nisha was not the do you approach any, was it as a backup? but steve, it, steve, see because it's false because of the past the story wrong. doings doing to the punitive every guy of a big of the fonts that freak of use, the is the i did

a scape goat for all the social economic problems of that region. it's quite easy for a we need to read who want to over for good. what i, we see that it shut, it stopped. it was the demand for the boss you upfront. this cool was a result of the, into the, into an or feud. it's a, a general jenny, who would be the head of the presidential gall under the previous president. but do you support from since 2011 and state as able to present your job of the me the new. ringback the who and the full e a pound key from what here. e. c and it'll be dismissed as a result. besides, they do the stages of ad at 1st was touch and go and then it was drawing to eat or so these uh, in

a discrete time. but all the commanders of the full series of, of, of the jet blue feat, i'll bring a message that civic governments demo, the government, backed by the west. important in dealing with the security and economic situation of the country. that is better to go back to the host of all the jury. rude strongly. does that appealing to the patuto deep feeling which shops felons? it would also be just the 2 french feelings in the region have been filed by a russia developing a group of government deck on pay. and, but that, those think that the, the case of new shift, russia was behind to moves up being small. do it cheaper and maybe russia is, might be hoping to capitalize, but it's interesting to see that the, the adopted a study cooler across to them are asking for the restoration of democracy,

not for the restoration to present the zoo, but they're playing cell phones. okay. by which you can see all things i'll be able to check. i don't want to get to bump down and, and what's going on in, in this. yeah. right. all right. what i want to look at a more, a french policy, if you like. and what are the risks to funds itself internally of instability in these, these countries? some of them former colonies allied to islamic militant groups. what do you know? first of all, i sing the men, the men issue, the, the men consequences is the 1st of all what, what would be the, the decided deduction because as you know, men are equal was the size of them by threatening to, to use for awesome the especially especially key assumptions. i mean we know that the inclusion sanctions are we 1st of or the,

the haven't begin bucks under unit. sorry. i'm and the, the human, the and social and economic or impacts and the population. so the 1st of all let's see, something like that. so you can leave, of course, if the is depending on the negotiation for me i, i guess that's the beginning in the, the, the how to deal with is the substitution is 1st of all to, to, to raise the voice and to, to, to have the logical point of view to defend the position, the 4 inch of the stakeholder, linset, and the then to open to lead the to leave and negotiations and goes through all of these things. and the finally, the town for negotiation and compromise. so i hope this week we will we some of that and what is, what notice as oh,

what's happening in these former colonies of young people in front spend taking about about about what's going on. the of course, you know, is the assumption that we had during the, the last hour of spring. do you know your member and the 2000 the 11. it was exactly the same situation in a way that the enemy was much more the, the united states. and the you have, you, we had the same situation, one come free, say, come. so the neighbor countries, they were in fact seemed by such a revolution as it has been the, the called of the. and then of course, in europe you have the, in the big get a cool of that. the some young people, but nothing many young can the adult if i was such situation and maybe not by trying to raise the racial flag,

but much more on containing a uh, let's say the, the, the not the color in the end is but the, the, the attempt to that is 12 didn't get on the way how to book your ladyship has been the invited by a said sure policy. okay, very so i'll come to you just a moment before shack shoot. you want to come back on on what you just heard that i, i saw you if you want to give it to jack. yeah, you want you to talk about the dentist should or do you need to know what impact always on cross justification of false intervening, even in a strong manner in money, especially in looking up a so a guess judges group was at the time the fear of terrorism is some is to arisen of folks we've had process, it'd been a victim of easter eastern just did or was an honest joey jury but you know about to draw a nice and all that. but it's,

i don't think he did just movement. he, i forgot, i've never been involved in the actions on the front of so to add all the actions and vs as being the result sections titled through. but i'd guy dot o dash. but the reason why frost is steve, steve wants to intervene again, is just screw, is you know, that to protect the countries. all they've got of getting a i've where we go, is that j o these countries fear that the jet is spreading folks genies of spreading from the know to just soft? could this to be nice? this region. so the side was the run box. the guys for this w solution, all the countries of the god forgive me, but now there's that's the, the importance of yeah, that the west and the countries of the league which uh,

generally pro west could face the southerly need ship, fed add. okay. yeah, this some for an advantage of the situation. okay. the bug situation, which we just that saw arising from the school. okay. reset time is it again so, so i'm gonna get 2 more questions in here. first is africa making a mistake by turning away from fonts in favor of other partners equal russia. but it's not the most numerous accusations of human rights abuses by that brushes. this information campaigns in the digital sphere try to which gets involved in africa all from the, with great cost. surely the french will, benign, unreliable part is why doesn't africa see it that way? so to stay full. and i will definitely say it again, which is that i don't think it's up to us to say that, you know, front has been always for africa. only african countries can decide the future that they want to have. but there's one thing that i really want it to pointed out from

what the other 2 speakers have said today, which is that you know what, this fonts where you have to lose in the situation. and i think one thing that has been missing from this conversation so far is that's some of the biggest companies in the world, like oil and gas, majors, engineering firms, the french and friends you know, needs to have good relations across the entire world, including in africa, to also protect and speak nomic interests because these companies, of course, with a major infrastructure projects, for example, they do support the french economy a lot. so this is really one of the big motivations that front hasn't mrs. white wants to keep it's in for wednesday, and of course he doesn't want that influence to go to other nationalities or, you know, to other countries because then effectively they can get their own companies in the . and i think that that's something that we also do have to come to the front. this is one of the biggest economies in the world did want us to sustain that. it doesn't want any diminishing influence, especially in africa, which is becoming a battle ground. and it's becoming

a battle ground in 2 ways. the 1st is that it's not your, you know, bipolar world with a cold war. you had to choose the soviet so the americans but insecurities also increasing in the region. so there's a lot going on at font, doesn't want to lose influence in the middle of that. and the main reason is economic, i'm sorry to interrupt week about 3 minutes left. so i, i need a brief answers from, from, you will have the same question to, to all of you about a minute each, please. what should frances africa policy look like? what role can it, should it be playing on the continent that would be acceptable to the confidence leaders and it's people track, let's start with you. a brand new road in front of us for today is to be uh, to backup a reliable or boxes where i will governments, uh, as to as i would like to say that the couldn't make it the rest of the process of been declining was 0. is a french companies, fresh interpreters already big. i forgot and i could have bought or regroup,

for example. so there's a new wellness that i forgot is not a treasure chest. everyone was too good to be active in the fall over to, to the china or the arab countries. there's so many, many roads and so, so when confronts duke and they hope is to be able to collaborate with some governments over 40 the books that ticket. but it's not the case. and from the speech trying to preserve the, the, the important countries for financial aid is the countries bordering. they've got some good ideas and i'm watching future france french policy in africa look like as well. i assume that's the 1st of all those things the firm says to, to be the no more the to be normalized as above the not dispensing fee go special buffalo sauce $2.00. that'd be nothing for full friends, but also for the free can. so that has to, they have to do it together as

a box. now that can be do business ways. so on some of those that are, let me know. so that's the, the, let's say the, the country is the, the, the states in africa. they have to, they found a bit more of their, their own resources, for instance, in the mining could either as in the reform since many, many years. and it's not the benefits of the states. so uh, i think that's what the police, charlotte, among many things i, i guess i ask for a, a new kind of possible sheep. that's the uh that they'd be able to, to uh, share, as i said, the reservices and for the country and the position to benefit from those buffer sheets. so i've seen this approach has to be done as you know france's dealing with

jo, money or, and so on. and i for go is a to you, i don't know what's so the challenge i have to be then on both sides. okay. merisa then, what role should africa should draw the front of your playing in africa that would be acceptable to the confidence leaders and its people. so when mcclung did conduct this was a cheerful african countries. early this year he went to combine and go into the republic of congo and the democratic republic of congo. and he was fairly well received today. and that was at the time that he promised that funds would take a step back from, you know, policy making and politics and african countries. but that instead of it would provide, will commit to military training, started military academies in africa. and that seem to be an acceptable step back that piece of involvement for african countries. so i think that if my con would stay true to his word in that regard, i think that that would be relatively well received going forward. okay,

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