in 15 minutes to get here, he'll be taken into an underground entrance and one of the corners of the court house he will then be taken to be processed. he will give his name, you will hand over his social security number and his occupation presidential candidates. former president of the united states of america he will be fingerprinted. there will be no pep, picture pep work for him. new cameras in federal court here in the united states. he will then go into the court with his lawyers to for charges 3 of conspiracy. one of obstruction will be read out. he'll be asked if he understands the charges and then asked if he wants to plead almost certainly will plead not guilty to the charge. but we also know that donald trump could have done this over soon, but up to not to he wanted to come to washington dc. he'll enjoys that. the show. he thinks this puts pressure on the authorities. he think supporters will come out, although there's a lot fewer of them here in washington dc. and of course we know that he declared his candidacy for the presidency back in november last year. incredibly early in

the election cycle. many people speculated at the time the reason he was doing it so actually was because he knew these legal troubles were coming down the pipe. and then he could claim that this was a political process, a cushion. and so he knew what he was doing when he declared for president, for this will be, has been diamond since he left the office in january 2021. and he will be here in court in under an hour right now, and we've just seen them on himself like the show jenny, down from the, is trump aircraft, into a parking lots car, which as you said, is heading your direction on a very short drive of course an event like this given the amount of time of the police, the in washington dc being given to plan for this situation must be a huge headache. so the all thoughts, eas, the city must be on edge around this one a. well actually there's a fairly large stock dispute here. that's because i think with the exception of

january, the 6th i, i in 2021. washington dc knows how to prepare for big events like this. and that they get a bit of notice then they can look things down and they can put security plans in place. and clearly the jack smith in his office was talking to the she adams who got the courthouse to the secret service to the local police, to make sure that this goes as smoothly as possible. and certainly the protectors who are largely on the other side of the court house have been good natured is the where largely miami, you remember in miami, as the me are, they are told is that we're preparing for the creative, anything between 5050000 in the end, there was probably about a 1000 people who turned up most of them from supporters. a few voices of the same here. that 3, she was probably flipped. there are a few. trump supporters, but there are a lot more people who want to see donald trump in court because of course, many people believe that the worst thing that donald trump dated during his entire

presidency was in sight, a crowd for january the 6th. now he's not in charge and not being charged with incitement, but the charges that he pieces here all relate to what happened in january the 6th, and the attempt to overturn the will of the american people in the 2020 presidential election to stop the peaceful transition of power, which of course would be most people stocked, a bit of public in the 17 hundreds and all that. and of course obviously no defense has been long shared. we already have the environment, but trump's team. now happy this is all happening and washington so that's why there will be legal arguments that will be made at some point in the future. we may even hear a few of them in the court house today. but there is a suggestion from the trump team. is that the will put forward the idea that a west virginia would be a better location for donald trump? certainly it's a more conservative state,

but that is likely to be thrown out by the judge in the case here. simply not going to take the fly. there will be other legal moves at the thomas legal team center that they will issue subpoenas to people that they believe were involved in what happened to january. the 6th may be going as far as appealing to bite and himself know they've got to go in front of a judge and argue why those are relevant. so a lot of these will be throwing out, but that will delete things. that of course, many people believe that that's the whole point of donald trump's defense that he wants to delete, delete and delete. not just the case in new york, but also the case in miami, in the case here in washington, because if he believes it enough, if you look at the poles, you may have been indicted 3 times and peach twice, but he's still a head in the republican nomination bottle to win the presidential nomination, and he believes that history. when's the election that he can appoint an attorney general and run the department of justice that makes all of this disappear. and so

it is all about delete, delete, delete. but we know that jack smith kept the indictment very clean, very short inducted only one person even though that are 6 unnamed co conspirators, although we knew the names of about 5 of them. so that this could go to a, to the very quickly. and we'd be presented in a very simple fashion so that people could understand what was being accused, what the belief donald trump did. and of course, jack smith will be is the special prosecutor looking for a guilty verdict on donald trump. and there are many people in washington dc who hope that happened before the presidential election and it is coming up on many sites. so that will be back with you shortly. but less cost now does she have return z? who's also in the quote there in washington? dc, and does she have obviously given all the control oversee, surrounding donald trump. uh, what is the i'm a sphere like that on that support as of trump, all those opposed to him?

what's the mood like why they get with, with a view to actually getting that going to talk to one of the support is the don't on the river as you progress as it generally there probably about half a dozen tests and basically there are huge protests was formed by the major as soon as i found, we have drawn, drawn from their travel from the jersey shore while you're here today. supported american era president in america, 1st president is across positional supporter. and is the best thing that ever happened in the american political system. what do you think of the indictment? so that's just another sham. the only thing i'm looking forward to is the trump bump is going to get into balls. thank you. jack's best. just like we had in miami, just like we had in new york a couple of months ago, i'll probably go for another 4 or 5, maybe 6 points in the poles after today. but given, trying to get a set of fi collectors as navigate to the constitution, the same thing l. gordon in 2000, something john kerry did 2004 same thing. the clinton crime family did in 2016. remember in this country the most fair, accurate, legit elections countries ever had was 2016. the democrats were caught off guard.

they thought they didn't have to cheat as bad as they usually do. so they let it ride and they underestimated the heartbeat of america. the heart beat of america is wherever top got to vote in this country. it's the most accurate and legit election ever done. the democrats have to come up with this press partner, hurricane made up novels. what was russia? goods rush, the gate, rush, the rush or rush, or what happened to the drunk during report? you're a journalist, what happened? there's all debunked. was it all debunk? was 90 percent of the banter was 100 percent of at the bottom. oh, there is 100 percent of it was parked the deep state and the clinton crime family to talk to this old russian collusion nonsense. and it got smashed back in her face . don't worry about it, i know you want to go to school in terms of pricing, so i know you wanna get your place, but thank you very much to is there we're looking for them. coming back to the top is the only guy that could save america like you don't. um. so yeah, i mean, that's a very few progressive, as i said, i, but obviously, you know, we will catch up talk by this

a little bit from flag it to them that are also the others here as well. it is a shop over here. clearly with a, a donald trump with us, couple of massage folks, the treasure up there. you can see i would really like 12, maybe a little bit slightly more protests does here. i don't remember there. i'm going to like just polls show a georgia republican, 6070 percent. do think that the election was stolen by jerry biden. so you may think, oh gosh, yeah, this truck very sounds you know, he sounds like he's on the free and he's not actually, that is actually the republican party is thinking right now they are. i see how many funds for the us. let's close back to adam fisher, who's the federal courthouse a another deb, some interesting points made by she have guests that, you know, given that free and 10 americans believe that the 2020 election was stolen. i mean, the legal test system in its entirety is really going to be put on an awful lot of

strain. just show that it can, the can, can stand fast throughout all of this as well. i of course we wouldn't get any top was impedes for what happened in january the 6, many republicans, particularly in the senate, said we're not going to vote to, to teach them to, to buy them from office for the future. because there are other legal measures available and donald trump had left offers by that time. by the time the hearings came around. and then of course, when the bring up these now we separate legal proceedings. they say this is irate, just the donald trump should face, they sort of legal action. joining me now he's male and he's still in a former federal prosecutor. melanie, this is, is going to be a tough case to prove, isn't it for jack smith? because although he's lead a pretty clearly and a $45.00 page and diamond, he's still got to convince beyond a reasonable doubt to 12 members of a judy that this is what donald trump was thinking when he did what he did. yes, absolutely, it's all gonna come down to donald trump's intent. the indictment goes through in

chapter and verse. all of the conversations that donald trump was having with legislators around the country, trying to convince them not to certify the election. it also mentions a bunch of uninvited co conspirators and all of their efforts to help trump stay in power. but in the end, what is going to come down to is that jack smith is going to have to prove that donald trump, knowing knew that he had lost the election and was deliberately trying to overturn the results of the of the election. in any event, one of his defenses is that for my lawyers told me i could do this now. you used to be a lawyer. if you told me to, to do something, i would probably do it because i would trust you. it's not a good defense. that is not a good defense that does not work in general and criminal justice law that my lawyers told me to do it. and besides that, that is also why all of his lawyers are uninvited co conspirators. because all of

those lawyers also seem to have known this was not true in their places in the indictment where juliani says, you know, well, we'll find the votes later. and so they knew that it wasn't true and they knew that they were telling trump just what do you want to do here. and at the same time, trump was also hearing for many, many senior advisers, but he had lost the election. we've already heard that even his daughter among the trump talked in front of the january 6 committee about the fact that she had a conversation telling her dad that he'd lost the election. but many, many top officials who mr. trump personally appointed like former attorney general william bar, told him that he'd lost the election. so it's gonna be very hard for him to say he didn't know he lost the election when he had so many people telling him he lost the election. now, one of the defendants is going to be, well, i was fully entitled to say this. the 1st amendment allows me to say that i can see that there's an infringement of that. to me, that sounds like a defense that you're going to use for an appeal rather than something that you use

in the court room here. what would that be fair? i certainly think that this case would be going up on a ppo. there's really no question that we're trumped to be convicted. this would be a case that was immediately appealed, and ultimately the supreme court will have to weigh in on this. so there will be those 1st amendment arguments, but i think that there's a lot of trouble argue that rate of trial. he'll say, hey, i was just talking and i will, i have my right to free speech and, and there may be some jurors who are persuaded by that. but that's why jack smith will be making a very careful case, day in and day out about the fact that trump knew he lost the election and that he talked to people about having lost the election. and then he tried to stay in power despite losing the election. but let me ask you something that a lot of people who don't live in america, i've asked me if donald trump is convicted. that's not disqualifying. you can still run for president. what is america thinking by allowing that top and we just haven't been in this position before?

so it was very hard to imagine a trump has been norm breaking from the beginning. um a, the only way you cannot be, uh, you cannot be allowed to serve is if you are impeached. and so that was there a big mistake by the senate republicans last time after the after the election after january 6th, where they decided not to convict him in the 2nd impeachment trial. and i think they did that because senator mitch mcconnell thought he would just go away and this would be better for america. but of course anybody who watches donald trump knows he never just goes away. um and you know, another thing that i think is important for people to recognize that if this matter isn't settled and mr. trump actually is elected as president. there is that opinion by the office of legal counsel, the part of the department of justice. that's called the justice department's brain . that has that, that trump, if he's indicted in the case, hasn't gotten a trial, the case will have to go away. you cannot be indicted and tried while you are a sitting president, so it's possible they could told the case, meaning delay it until after he's out of the presidency. but that's not very likely

in large part, it's much more likely that all of this just disappears. which may be part of why trump is still running for president when he runs for president all of his criminal entanglements, if he were to, when they all drop away and otherwise you could be convicted and faced jail time. nowadays is very much of these are joining us live here. the views of a former federal prosecutor donald trump, should be making his way into the court room very shortly. it's a short drive from reagan national airport here to the center of washington dc. he will then be processed, fingerprints will take and he'll have to give his name and his social security number and then enter the court room where the charges on this latest and diamond will be rights to him. and he will be asked to enter a plea, which we fully expect to be not guilty. all right, now that many thanks a lot of thanks also to madison's melanie slide. less closely with the heidi joe castro who's standing by. because we believe donald trump is entering ever closer

to the courthouse. heidi, none of this needed to watch. do you happen to impose activities in one of these vehicles? so it go ahead hard. no, but you know he, it's no surprise that he is up here. i am person and we're expecting him to be and one of these vehicles are passing behind me. this is sort of the backside of the court house or we were just talking to alan. and these police cars are part of the motorcade that are supporting the former president from the, the nearby airport. they are expected to make this round this corner, and then most likely they will go into an underground garage. so you may not see trump himself at all. you may see him drive by as we're speaking here. but you can see the level of security. it was really ramped up in the last hour or 2 as his arrival was eminent. i'm actually squeezed between uh, 2 dump trucks. these are parks here. there's about a dozen of them blocking access on this block. and just in this little like uh,

window between 2 part dump trucks. they have 2 police officers with washington, d. c, metropolitan police force guarding this gap, they have secret service for their back every single 2nd. and every single step of this choreographed arrival, as the former president planned down to the last instance. and of course, you're more of those trucks and you'll see things you're seeing the press also waiting for his arrival, we'll go back to him. we'll go back to his arrival if we see him. but i wanted to actually bring in a resident from dc among the thousands or so who are here on a concert. so glad that you can join me. why is being here to see the present, the former president face these charges? why is that important to you? i think the fact that we're willing to hold our elected leaders accountable is something that's really important to me. i think that we were all so many americans were raised on the idea of democracy. and i think that's an idea that we're straying away from honestly. so i think that it's really important to really stand

here and stand by the justice system on a good. there's so much controversy regarding this indictment. we've heard from some folks from supporters who are here, but why do you want to see this prosecution happened? i want to see this prosecution happened because honestly, i think that trump is a threat to our democracy and i think he's a threat to a lot of democracies around the world. and i think that proving that he is guilty is something that's going to be really important for our global politics. all right, thank you so much konica. and again, we are still waiting for the present, the ex president himself to be arriving along the motor case. rob, i actually just dropped my call with you. i cannot hear you if you're speaking to me. so i will back up in case we see the present, the ex presidents passed by and the moments to come. okay, hiding many thanks for that. so it's harvey was saying, donald trump has now arrived at the court house. he's been driven into an underground gary's. we believe that the entire procedure will take place in a low floor room. unclear is yet whether we will ever actually see any images from

that. so proceeding it is of course, the opportunity the charms for trump to hear the charges being read out. and we expect the former president to also plead guilty or not guilty back to adam fisher who's outside that washington d. c. federal courthouse and of course island, all of this is taking place on your flu. few blocks away from i. well i guess let's play this be the scene of the crime. that's right. and capitol hill, not that far away from, from where i'm standing. that within a quick 15 minute walk and you'd be there. and actually, i've had a few people in the crowd, seeing that they were here on january the 6 there was actually someone seeing that they came along intending to be part of a peaceful process, but got caught up. and what did happen to me were pointing the finger very much at donald trump, and that of course, is what jack smith is doing,

saying that he's not going to respond as charging him within sight, seeing the crowd. but he's suggesting that what happened on january the 6th, and we saw that these comments on choose the evening when he paid tribute to those who defended the capital that they did that because of the atmosphere that the donald trump had created is always perhaps a type of cool decision on jack smith, the special prosecutors part not to charge him with incitement or insurrection, because that would have made this a much more difficult case to prove a journeyman here is to infinity, who's a republican strategist, john incredibly having been indicted 3 times, impeach twice, donald trump still leading the republican race. why? of the republican so in love with this guy, who, if you look at the real sticklers, going to a brilliant jump when he was in the white house? well, if you look at the economy, he did pretty well, and if you look at kind of looking out for the interest of his voters,

he did very well and they had a special bond with him. they look at all of these prosecutions as persecution. they think that is the washington establishment as going after donald trump because he represented their interest. and the other thing this is done is this is really made a very, very difficult for any other candidate to run against donald trump. because he's taking all the air out of the balloon, you know it's talking about ronda sanders's no one is talking about teams. got no one's talking about mike pence only to talk in the context where they are on donald trump. is it troubles dominey? the discussions of each one of these prosecutions were you saying this is a persecution to me. i'm trying to look out for your interest and they're telling me down this has helped him with republic about it must be hard if you're running against doing something that are public and primary. the, a lot of your message has got to be what the front founder, seeing that donald trump was the victim of a stolen election. donald trump should not be charged in the federal court. this is the only difficulty that these samples and others are,

are having is trying to figure out a way to lay a glove on donald trump with all these other things going on with all these prosecutions going on. you can make the case that donald trump was do a terrible job on cove if you can make the case that he didn't really look out for the interest of the people when they shut down schools. but it's hard to make that case when all these losses are coming, all these prosecution is coming up. and then this is the only thing that you're asked asked about donald trump. are these are these prosecutions fair? what are you going to say? you can't say they are fair because they're never alienated republican base. if you do say that you're like my parents here at the bottom of the polls. so yeah, this is a very difficult for any republicans. again, any traction on the stuff that they want to talk about, and they, what they don't want to talk about is endlessly donald trump. and because that's what, that's what their forces aren't about because that so all of us are talking about 0 down trop for taylor swift. can you run a presidential campaign with on grievance by just saying, look what they're doing to me? can you do that all the time because independent voters are going to go enough already. well, find out. um yeah, you can run campaign big time,

but based based on grievance, as a matter of fact, andrew jackson ran a campaign. i need to corrupt bargain way back in the 18 twenty's me was able to win. overwhelmingly, the grievance is not a bad waiter. i'm richard nixon, man against grievance and not 1968. really many ways ronald reagan ran on grievance and 1980. you know, a grievance is not a bad way to get motivated voters to come out. they vote on dislike more than like, oftentimes people skipped to attack donald trump because they realize most of the republican base on know trump supporters. is that something that they should have dealt with 8 years ago when he was running because they knew what donald trump was like, they knew he lives in you. he had business failures, they knew he was on the line while they had to make all those attacks. and like maybe 2016 mean what, what trump has is a special bond with the trump voters who make up probably 40 to 45 percent of their property base, which is a really good base to start off from. if you want to run for

a nomination and what happened in 2016, we had so many other candidates when they get them, not on like what's going on right now. that was hard for anyone to get anywhere close to what when trump had. so yeah, it is very difficult to attack trump because you're attracting a template from voter. and what you have to do is try to make the distinction between the trump motor and their grievances and donald trump and is special issues that he's got. and none of the other candidates are going to step aside, but one of the other candidates, but come down to trump, will i be the know going to say we choose you'd rather than me? well, you know, there's a lot of ego involved and what typically happens in these type of can campaigns, is people decide not to run when they rod rod money. so in many ways the funders will make a decision, okay. who is the candidate we most wants to view the insights from, and we're all gonna put our money in that right now. you have around the same as raise a lot of my time. scott's raise a lot of money that you haley's raise, a lot of money. and so there, there is a mix, has some money to so you know, what if you have all these guys still getting access to money, they can still run a campaign, but he writes, he goes

a really big thing and all these people are voting really believe that they're the best one to solve the problems in the country, and it's going to be hard for them to drop out unless they're forced. but you don't want a presidential election on republican voters alone. you've got to appeal to the middle . those things like appearing in a federal court house, accused of conspiracy and obstruction. and this is just one of 3 top 3 places where he's basically sort of mean that independence and mutual voters suddenly go. this guy isn't for me on a real, you know, down trumps out the only one with the problems. you're looking, what's going on with 100 by and then joe biden, and that's the bite in crime families. republican world allegations at the moment. oh wow. they're a little bit more than allegations in you, but yeah, i mean, you know, there's really been a lot. okay. there's a lot of smoke in the bite and fire and they're going to may have to make a determination whether they like the, the bible families problems or the family's problems. no one's coming in were clean hands and independent voters. if you're looking for the poles, top right now is doing better with independent voters than people thought he would

be in a polls or streamlined type. and so this idea that if we vote for donald trump to lose again, this is the electability argument, that don randa samples. now there's, are trying to make this out holding water according to the whole. so students to your republican high or for a moment, as an american, do you disappear? this is not something that we're seeing what could be the most important and significant trials in american history, being canada because of the actions of a former practice. yeah. what i, what i like to describe with this atmosphere is kind of a circus. i don't really like politics becoming a circus. i also like elections to be decided not by lawyers, by voters. and i, you know, i think that there's an effort here to, to the rail, the trump campaign through this prosecutions. i think that there's efforts to go after the, by not some of these things. i would like the voters decide and i don't really want lawyers to so that's a good place to leave it. thanks very much for joining those live here in washington dc. so donald trump is not in the courthouse. we know what the process

will be. he knows what the process will be. he's been through this several times fingerprinted gives over his name, his address is occupation and his social security number. he will then join his legal team in the court house. there will be no monk shot for donald trump. this time around, there are enough pictures in the public domain for him, and then he will appear in court when he will be asked how he pleads to the 4 charges against them. i'm, we're fully expecting not to for him to say, not guilty to holland many things so that soon as you head out and say the unimportant payments of the ex, that president donald trump. but of course, that's brought both pro trump supporters and, and t trump protest is to the court house, relatively calm, considering what took place on january the 6th 2021, an insurrection of a capital. of course, donald trump accused of over turning the 2020 election results on accident spots that are sold at the heart of american democracy. like spring in michael is the

call few joins us in a studio in washington d. c. he's an investigator investigative journalist, a viable welcome to you. uh so in many ways it appears that if there are 2 trials going on here, there's what's going on to the court of public opinion, and that's what eventually is going to play out. and you have us cool house and given that free out of 10 americans to believe that they selection was stolen from them, it seems like this will be a real stress test for the american judicial system to absolutely, and we could get some pretty early indications today this afternoon on how that stress test is going to play out. um trump is obviously gonna plead not guilty, but the judge will have to um, give some indication of how quickly she wants to move on this. and i think one of the 1st big questions is, does she begin to set a schedule?

uh, if not today, then in the next few days. um and, and set a trial date. um we already know that trump is facing one trial that's scheduled for march in new york city. that's on the hush money allegations and another in uh uh in. so southern florida for the morrow, lago documents case that's scheduled now for may we don't know whether those i trial dates are gonna hold up. but here's a 3rd one and the judge. a lot of attention will be on how quickly does the judge try to move this. and you know, is trump going to have to be in 3 court rooms while he's running for president and next year? so that's the 1st big thing to look for. the 2nd big thing to look for is, this is a tough judge. and does she said bell conditions that include admonitions to trump,

about some of his public comments in which he seems to threaten prosecutors and agents, and others involved in the, in these trials. he's was just on a pod cast the other day and what you talked about. it would be very dangerous if he was ever sent to jail. that seemed to be uh, could be interpreted as a threat to um, uh, 2 people working in the courthouse to the prosecutors working on the case. and the judge could make it clear that she's not gonna tolerate that. but that's gonna run up against trumps rights as a political candidate to say whatever he wants about what the by the administrator and justice department is doing to. well, what do you make for the political theater around this particular arrangement? because tall trump didn't actually need to be that in person, did he could have done all of the surfaces and what's the strategy that he think? no, i think that the the court wanted him there. i don't think he. ready there's

a option for just zooming in on your quarter arrangement, the status. i think this is something that is required as part of the judicial process and, and look got from trump's perspective. i mean, his poll numbers seem to get better after each uh, each one of these, um, indictments and arraignments. so it may be in his political interest to have as much attention to this i as, as he can get. she get a sense that most americans will want to see how this turns out when he does go to court before they vote in the presidential election. will it make any difference if it does go to trial before that today? well that is, you know, one of the.