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that the court wanted him there. i don't think he. ready there's a option for just zooming in on your cord arrangement these days. i think this is something that is required as part of the judicial process and, and look got from trump's perspective. i mean, his poll numbers seem to get better after each uh, each one of these, um, indictments and arraignments. so it may be in his political interest to have as much attention to this i as, as he can get. she get a sense that most americans will want to see how this turns out when he does go to court before they vote in the presidential election. will it make any difference if it does go to trial before that key to as well, that is, you know, one of the big questions that hangs over this. what impact will it have politically? how will the american public process it is really? yeah, look, i'm the, our country now is so polarized is so divided,
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and opinions about donald trump are based in for, i would say, yeah, well over 90 percent of the electorate, we're talking about a relatively small number of voters who are gonna decide the outcome of the next election and um, you know, my sense is given that look, we have the new york times full the other day that showed even after 2 criminal indictments, donald trump is tied with joe biden. 4343. that's astounding. the idea that a twice and dieted accused felon could be competitive against the incumbent president united states. how is the 3rd one? i think think the real key and answer to this is how does the trial proceed? what is the evidence and how much of the american public will absorb what the evidence is when it's presented in a court room. one problem is,
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this is in federal court. there's no cameras in federal court rooms, so the public won't get a chance to watch the trial in real time. they won't get a chance to watch it at all. they'll have to rely on news accounts for i'm so that will somewhat diminish the power of the evidence. michael also, in previous occasions with donald trump, is being under an awful lot of legal pressure. he's use these very public events as an opportunity almost to, to raise funds. it does raise the question of course, who is paying for all of these cool cases. this is shirley money. he drama. just plow back into his campaign as well in till now he's been using his political action committee, save america to pay his legal bills. and you know, some of that is really stretching the use of politically donated funds because he was using them not just for defending himself in a case like this, which involves actions while he was president. but he was even using those funds to
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pay his lawyers in new york cases investigating his personal business expenses having nothing to do with his role as president. um, so i think that there was, um, you know, some uh that clearly was stretching the outer limits of campaign finance law to use his pack for purposes like that. now it's, it appears he's going to be setting up a legal defense fund. but look at the end of the day, donald trump has no problem raising money. he's got these fervent supporters out there who are that we're willing to keep sending writing checks and sending in the envelope. so i suspect at the end of the day um he may be okay on the on his legal expenses. michael money, thanks for joining us. michael is a coffee is a chief investigative correspondent at yahoo news and kind of host of sco dockery podcast. ok now and other do use all sorts using mexico filed
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a 2nd body in the rio grande river between the us and mexico. the 1st party was found stuck between floating barriers recently built in the state of texas on the river, which forms the border between the 2 countries. as well by those reports from the justice department is taking legal action to remove the barriers. it describes as dangerous and illegal. the mexican government says, texas officials told it a dead body was found snared on these boys in the rio grande river near eagle, past texas on wednesday afternoon. authorities don't know whether the person died on the buoy or some place further up river and floated down stream. whatever the final determination might be, the boys are the latest addition to an elaborate series of obstacles in and along the river. they are part of a years long, multi $1000000000.00 effort by texas republican governor greg abbott to stop migrants
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a job app. it says the bite administration has failed to do. but former eagle pass may or pep, a o'rando says it's all a political stone, right. it's all a stage, it's all a theater to be able to say, hey, we did something as we watched groups of migrants across the river seemingly and bothered by the boys and fencing the us justice department has suited texas calling the river barrier a threat to public safety and demanding it be removed. governor abbott, responded dismissively with a letter to president joe biden saying, see you in court. the issue is divided people here. some say the governor has gone too far. others say the town is under siege. if you don't have barricades where to stop them, they're going to be forming all over the community to. and i live in this community at the mission border, hope migrant shelter, a bus load of people files in out of the blistering mid day heet. my funny,
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that's how we just set up for it. okay. director valeria wheeler, gibbs, the quick orientation. they feel humiliated and they don't know what to expect anymore because they feel like really know the people here include young children, nursing mothers, babies, and diapers. 19 year old alice on jimenez 7 months pregnant is from honduras. she says her river crossing was terrifying, razor wire, cut her leg. same way i put a seal my i was scared because i thought even if i don't die, something could happen in the river. like i could drown or hurt myself, she has no money, no relatives in the us, and no idea what to do next. but at least she and the others here are alive. rob reynolds, l g 0, eagle pass, texas. and rob reynolds is with us live now in ego, past texas, with the latest robot more do we know about the bodies that we've discovered them
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the river? well, we're now hearing from the mexican authorities that one of the children that one of the bodies was that of a child. we don't know how old the boy was, but he was identified as a con during national, apparently some video of the clothing that he was where he was identified by his mother back in honduras. this is also caused a diplomatic stir and condemnation by mexican president manuel lopez over a door who said in his daily press conference today that the no good person would do things like this referring of course to the border barrier so that you can see behind me razor wire tall, a chain link fences, and of course a line of orange booties in the middle of the river. one of the bodies was caught snag through that bowie. local people say it's not unusual for migrants to lose
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their lives, trying to, to navigate and cross the treacherous waters of the rio grande. there were current there, underwater snags. it's a dairy, it's a dangerous situation, especially if people are not a very good swimmers. and the water in the river are all local peoples. also tell us is rising. now the current is increasing. so it's likely that unfortunately more people may fall victim to drowning in the rio grande as they try to cross over into the united states. but the, the fewer or at the moment he is over governor of greg a habit of texas. and his attempts to go it alone as it were, with what he calls operation. lonestar not in cooperation with the federal government, but seizing private land. building these types of fences putting the boys in the water may trying to make it very, very difficult for people to cross their r and texas national guard officers here on site. there are uh,
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speed boats passing back and forth in the river, a lot of surveillance here. and i can tell you that the local people here in the town of eagle pass, which is the population of about 24000, are split about this. some people think that this more needs to be done to stop the flow of biography. other people seem to be somewhat in the majority from whom i've spoken with. i think that this is a political posturing and that kind of political theatre on behalf of the governor abbot trying to increase his popularity and embarrass the by the administration. just wanted to point out one other thing that mexico, which has several treaties with the united states governing the use of water and the navigation of the rio grande, has also put out a diplomatic note of complaint over these border barriers in the river that have been erected by texas. oh yeah, we're up and we can see the various binds. you the boys, the bible,
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i find send the other fence directly binds you. i mean, how is the community the an eagle pos responding to all of these letters of security? one of these bought a virus as well, you know, i mean some people are not happy with it. for example, just yesterday there was a meeting in the city council and the vote was taken to try to get the state government to remove some barriers that they put up in a public park right in the middle of the city. there are other people like the land owner who owns this land that i'm standing on right now, who has big plans to build vacation, cabins and the restaurant and so on. and have people come down and enjoy the river front. and now, as you can see, that's not quite as pleasant a prospect. there are others who say that, you know, they fear they're going to be engulfed and overwhelmed by a tide of,
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of migrants moving through. some people have told me about how they've had migrants . you know, wandering through their back yards and so on. and so that was very disconcerting for them. so it's a split opinion. but i think that um, without having done any sort of polling just my impression is that a lot of people in eagle pass, i think the governor greg gap, it is gone a little too far. rob, many sites that brought by those live in a go past texas. you know, nothing used to lose. yeah. well, i suppose is of the 2 liters i've taken to the streets of the country's national day, running against international pressure to reinstate the post president, 9 days off to the ministry to power support as a mocking 60 for years as they say, i gained independence and funds are posing moves by the west, african regional blog echo asked to try to reinstate president bomb and buzzing degree, posing post sanctions and is considering sending in troops as of last resort. cooling to up to run line for chinese says he,
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what files of pressure and is promising a piece of transition to democratic elections. the property, new jersey, i also have a sense of duty interfered with the people of an issue. are aware of the seriousness of the situation facing our country. we have always been humble enough to listen to all the parties concerned and open to dialogue, so that once everyone's emotion have subsided, we can work together to create the conditions for a peaceful transition fee leaving in a relatively short and reasonable time to general elections. but above all, to a better approach in our fight that gets to reason and the other economic and social hills that are undermining the shows different up front and defense ministers from echo as so if the meeting and nigeria as capital discuss the next steps. charles stratford is holding developments dot com center go this. this is the 2nd day also, is that meeting we understand is they try to come together with some sort of plan on how to deal with this guy sees. we've already said that glasses not put out of
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the question, potentially as a, as a last result military intervention. but not, of course, he's trying to be avoided. we understand that once this meeting is over, the end proposals from those defense ministers will be taken to their respective leaders and governments in, in the countries before agreed action is, is, is taken. we have heard, we're ready from the senegalese government. they say that they would be willing to put fluid troops to participate in any echo us action insight. and these yet of course, yeah, international pressures also be building up on, on the jan we've seen the sanctions imposed by the you buy from us at glass itself is frozen orphanages assets in the regional bank and stopped to transactions in dealing with the country. so despite that being said,
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mainly these diplomatic efforts, we also know that there has been an echo as delegation, 6 to nature in the last 24 hours or so. so they're, they're all diplomatic efforts ongoing. and all eyes are on a boucher for the 6 month si, size, begun and columbia between the government forces and the last remaining rebel group . that compound is of the national liberation army or e l. and sign the deal after long negotiations in cuba, columbia, and president, gustavo petro, was elected off the promising negotiations to achieve what he calls, total peace. the government says the line of finance is itself through cocaine trafficking and legal mining, and run some from kid. nothing to raise a bow has the latest from the capital organ time president came to power almost one year with the wrong this whole piece in this country by increasing security among civilian saving life, but also dismantling the arm to groups that continue to operate in many parts around colombia, a 6 months,
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this fire starts on this gate was agreed back in june. it's an agreement that could be extended for another 6 months. it was the negotiations are ongoing. this is a historic agreement. it is the 1st time that the leaders of the national liberation organization or z e and are here in google docs right inside the buildings. they are there with president just how well people are. they have a risk lawrence, and we're leaving to go next on. and they were allowed to come here to be here today to be part of this negotiations that are ongoing here today. the see for, but you can see right where i on there outside of where the event is happening, they have come all the way from out of the border with vinny, sweet leather, indigenous communities who lives there that has been affected by cologne. yes. conflict and they're looking forward to this cease fire that he's starting today. the other thing that is being announced on the stage a committee with stephen organizations with indigenous, with a labor union that would be part of the ongoing negotiations to achieve photos. the
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same with the roots of columbia conflicts with a poverty within equality. and of course, with the violence that has affected this country for many, many decades. whether the ceasefire will succeed is a big quest to see his gun battles of resume, to the largest refugee come for palestinians at 11 on 3 people injured overnight. as a friend shall cease 5 the ended, 5 days of fighting between rival functions is code 13 people. as they get ahold of reports from become tens of thousands of palestinians are affected as well as nearby neighborhoods. this is one of the front lines and i know heavily at the moment there is a law in the violence and lebanon's largest palestinian refuge account behind this barrier is a strong hold option. the shim, an armed group, involved in the latest factional fighting. this is usually a bustling markets, up to 60000 palestinians, live in
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a 1.5 square kilometer area. people are scared to venture outside of the day and the most of the situation is not stable. we don't know what to do. many people are displaced and living in mosques and science. straight bullets and rockets are landing not just inside the camp, but a nearby neighborhood. several people have been killed and many more injured. in some areas, the destruction is extensive. high buick. these are our homes, our shops, they have been burned down, everything has been burned. as the residents of i know health, we are poor palestinian refugees have few rights and are not allowed to hold jobs and many professions in lebanon. hold on how lovely i knew. this was my father's shop. he used to sell coffee and cigarettes to be able to buy food. now we've lost our livelihood. we are destroyed. do you and relief and works agency, which has
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a lifeline for people here. how suspended services including health care, since the conflict began on saturday, efforts to end the fighting have failed. the main stream for the movement is demanding the killers of one of its commanders be brought to justice. the movers are the ones that by the state of entering the camp and using it as a safe haven, and they are wrong. every now and then there is an assassination, and then the violent stop scale. what, what, how this is what it's been like for nearly a week. automatic weapons and rockets, fire are being used as rival faction struggles for dominance. and i know halloween which is outside the 11 east governments jurisdiction, the people here say they are tired and scared. they've watched shaky truces failed in recent days. they say even a permanent cease fire won't be enough to bring about a semblance of security and safety here. the camps history is one of violence and
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lawlessness. for now, at least there's little to suggest that will change center for their elders either . i know how do we so there's nothing on right. we're going to return to one of our top stories. the appearance of the 4 of us president donald trump, who was arrive for his arrest and arraignment in a federal court in washington, d. c. he is of course, charged with the over turning the 2020 election results, but he claims that he won accusing a bite and, and others of for to in winning that particular election. we've seen supporters of trump, we've seen anti trump protest is outside the court house, a ring of security around the building and in front of a line of trucks that are being the specially place around that cool house is all corresponded heidi joe castro and heidi, these all charges the count to the very cool of american democracy in a city. that is of course, the seat of government the right name and,
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you know, geographically speaking we are only steps away from where all of this unfolded. on january 6, of course, i'm talking about the attack on the capital that really catapulted this conspiracy that prosecutors call into the national and international i. this is the federal courthouse and this is where for president from was escorted into the building. i'd say about 40 minutes ago or so. i still know updates from inside, but we understand he is being processed. that means formerly placed under a rest having his fingerprints taken. and then at the top of the hour, 4 o'clock local time here in washington is when he is scheduled to hear those charges against him, read out by the magistrate judge, and he will be expected to enter his play. and he says he will plead not guilty. and yeah, this place is surrounded me by security by dump trucks by the secret service protesters as well as people who are just americans and interested in this
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happening at the seat of their government. and i wanted to bring one of them who is actually from the state of wisconsin. this is, will johnson? well, thanks for giving us your time. why was it important for you to be here today and hopefully catch sight of the former president? for me, it was serendipitous. i was actually here for work and i was staying an extra day to be with some friends. and this happened. so i wanted to come down here to prove him if it's possible, because, you know, i'm from wisconsin and in our state, you know, he tempered with our election in a way that, you know, the state is still trying to recover from that. what do you mean by that? i mean we, i know that wisconsin was one of the states that went to biden. however, there were there was a separate, as well as laid out by the indictment to switch those votes for trump, but it was your state official, republican officials who refused to go along with that. right. but there still, you know, there were several behaviors or actions taken by politician is which they have kind
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of stated away into the sunset. and they have to be revealed and they have to be held accountable. i mean, if you are here, you have people who are cheering, trump, and people who low of trump, and yet we are here. we're all americans. this is america, not january 6th. you see these barricades here. nobody's jumping over them. we're all sensible. that's america. that's the way you know, that's the america that we want, you know, like they say, make america great. again. what we know, america is great. you know, and for us, it's let america be america again, the one that we all dreamed it used to be for all of us. that's the america we want . but it's, it's arguable that we are heading into a completely new, an untested history chapter of american history. from has said that just what, regardless of what, how these cases and he's going to continue campaigning for president. he's tied in the polls right now with bite and he could become the 1st president who is also a convict. does that worry you as an american?
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you know, it worries me, but i really don't think it's going to happen. i really think that sensible people will prevail in my heart. i just can't see that it would be again, that would not be america at the end of the day. this thing that's happening here today is a restoration to america. the law is taking here, not guys with orange hair. thank you very much. well, and he said that he's gonna stick around as, as well as we the media hoping to catch sight of trump eventually after he is a rain when he leaves the building. but need of, of course, just as well was saying this is really only the very 1st bits of this case that we're going to see. the trial itself hasn't been set yet. and that is when all of those details will come further into the public and their impasse still a know what sort of imprint that will leave on this country. yeah, those trials, william d. b, but mentis occasions in american history,
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heidi j. castro. many thanks for that. let's go back now to oliver fisher, who's so also outside the federal courthouse in washington, dc and an island of course, as well as the donald trump or? well, i think i got the rule so that 3 police officers who defended the capital on january . the 6th was seen entering the dc courthouse for trumps arraignment. it is a reminder of course, that they were victims to this as a thoughts on the, the, the capitol. they were victims of the insurrection, including also vice president pens. and of course, you remember that the crew direct to the gallows not far from where i'm standing on the march through the holes of congress saying that they wanted to find like pants because they were going to hang like pins. and of course, the case could be made that one of the reasons for their anger was that donald trump tweeted out saying that mike pins didn't have the cottage to do. what was right on january. the 6th donald trump is now in the courthouse,
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he's now being processed, someone who can give us an idea of how all this works is melanie slid a former federal prosecutor melody. uh, thanks for joining us. live here. good. so what happens now? donald trump is in the courthouse, he's going to be treated slightly differently. there's no pet. well, he's not in hank costs, they'll be no mug short as we know, but he'll still have to be fingerprinted. and yes, and these details will have to be given to the court will still be process like any other defendant and he will have to be, i answer some personal questions about his age. and i think the reason they don't need a mug shot is, you know, he's, he's pretty well though, he's pretty visible, well photographed guy. and then he will appear in court and he'll be arraigned and that's where the charges will be read against him. they will probably not read the entire $45.00 page indictments. they usually go through something more quickly than that. and after that he'll plead not guilty to all accounts and then they will probably set some kind of calendar for an next appearance. i think one question
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here is whether they continue in front of the magistrate judge and do it in front of him. he'll appear today, or if they'll move things straight to the judge, judge tanya, chuck and that is far more likely given the stature of the situation and anything that is decided in front of a magistrate can be appealed to the judge any way. so it ends up adding delays, so i think that they would prosecution in particular, want to avoid that here. so i think it will get moved. but in some ways it's really an anti climactic day at the. nothing will be different. he'll be not guilty. and then they'll have to send a calendar, they'll be so many motions in this case, they will be trying to get rid of the case before it ever gets to a jury. and there will be motions to dismiss. and so it's going to be interesting to see when the judge actually set the calendar. i think the real question for everybody is when will this case be set for trial? and we won't go that today. and it whether or not it comes before or after the. busy of the case and the documents as well with the right and the,
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the florida case and the new york case. and the end of the, there's the georgia case out there to the judge doesn't have to hear the, the judge is going to have to, at some point consider all of these other cases because the depending can't be in front of every court room at once. and of course, he's already said that he's going to be arguing that he should have years to prepare this case, but the government has had years and that he needs years. that's really unrealistic . he's not gonna get years to prepare the case. whether or not he's going to get some decent interval. you know that jack smith, you said he wants to go to trial quite quickly. i think it will be interesting to see how fast that the case in florida goes to trial. if that one, you know, comes more quickly, but trump is argued in that one too, that he needs a lot of time because that there's classified documents and there's so much material that they need to oversee here. there also may be large amounts of documents that that's something we called brady, material. anything. they'll have to turn over all of the documents that anything
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that might be exculpatory and trump steam as plenty gets plenty of time to sift through the government's evidence. melody you are a federal prosecutor, can you look across the court room and then accuse when he comes in? or she comes in and thinks you're scared to it. what do you do? but there's, there's a concern. can you tell that if you can, you, can you sense that, you know, you often can't um, you know, there we, we have defendants. when i did criminal work that came in, use them a hardened criminals and they would come in and what we called personality glasses . you know, they look totally different than what they looked like on the streets. suddenly they were all buttoned down and they had their coat and tie and they had their, you know, their nice glasses on and they, they just gave an air of confidence. so most of the time defendants come in with that kind of air. and certainly we all know that that's what trump deal is. anyway, trump is super confident over confident, and he thinks that nothing will stick to him. so i'm sure that he will be, i would assume fairly subdued in court. he's not gonna i, he has indeed the other court appearances. there have been no antics,
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not that there won't be in the future, but at this arrangement date, there's really no point. he's not performing for the jury and enjoy the must be a bit of a new one because he's facing a long time in jail, convicted even. he might never see the inside of a deal cell, but he's facing the prospect of 40 to 50 years. and that is certainly true, but i think it's a big question about whether you would actually see a former president put in actual jail because he has secret service protection. so, i mean, i suppose what we could imagine and this is again, just imagining, maybe he's put in a military base where he can be adequately protected. because you can't put him in that you're not putting him in a general population in a prison somewhere. so i think trump, you know, trump baldwin has it, extreme confidence in his most abilities, and he thinks this is unfair and he's the victim. so i doubt he's given too much thought to the fact that he couldn't be convicted. you would think, given the number of cases that are out there, the classified document cases, lawyers must have told him that case looks very bad for him. so in some sense,
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i think he may think he has a better chance at this case because of the 1st amendment issues that are there. and the other case with the classified documents. and then we have his own words on tape in that classified case where he says he knew he couldn't the class that they, he couldn't be classified the documents, but had not. that is a very bad back pattern for the president. and as so, if he's, you know, worried about any case, my guess is it would be that what melody i know you've got to destro. thank you so much for your insight. today's be to, to be helpful for audience around the world. we appreciate melanie's sort of former federal prosecutor, so donald trump know in court due to appear at any moment now it's 4 o'clock here in the united states. this is the time that he was due to make that appearance in court. if me, i mean, is anything to go by, it'll probably run somewhere around 40 to 50 minutes, and then he's out of here. there's some told that he may even speak to the media afterwards. there's a media band traveling with him. like a, a president would have so there's every possibility we'll hear from donald.

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