if he's giving too much thought to the fact that he couldn't be convicted, you would think, given the number of cases that are out there, the classified document cases, lawyers must have told him that case looks very bad for him. in some sense. i think he may think he has a better chance at this case because of the 1st amendment issues that are there and the other case with the classified documents. and then we have his own words on tape in that classified case where he says he knew he couldn't the class that they, he couldn't be classified in the documents, but had not that is a very bad back pattern for the president. and as so, if he's, you know, worried about any case, my guess is it would be that one. melody i know you've got to destro. thank you so much for your insight. today's be to, to be helpful for audience around the world. we appreciate melanie. so a former federal prosecutor, so donald trump know in court due to appear at any moment, no, it's 4 o'clock here in the united states. this is the time that he was due to make that appearance in court. if me, i mean, is anything to go by, it'll probably run somewhere around 40 to 50 minutes, and then he's out of here,

there's some talk that he may even speak to the media afterwards. there's a media event traveling with him. but like the president would have, so there's every possibility we'll hear from donald trump at the end of today's proceedings. and of course, if he does indeed speak, we will be there and you will be the allen to listen to it while i'm official in washington dc. many thanks for that. well, if you've just joined us, it's just gone. 20100 gmc, just a bit past 4 pm local time in washington dc ways you can just to the former us president donald trump is now in court to us. the charges of conspiring to reverse the 2020 election results. these are life pictures from outside the court, whether it be both pro trump and m. t. trump pro test trump is accused of spreading lies about election for them, pressuring officials to prevent a peaceful transfer. power of the quote is reading out for criminal charges, and trump is expected to plead not guilty. well, mingling in the crowd is all correspondence. she has at times the very washington

d. c. and she have given that already 5 percent of people in washington dc actually voted for trump. of many come out. that's as a pull him, as you think. right. but i think maybe everyone's got a very, very rare. there's a handful of protests on either side, but maybe a couple of doesn't really, and that's all over the course of several miles. i mean, maybe some of filtering in an hour we spoke to a, i'm afraid, trump protested with an enormous flag in the last uh and we will speak to someone who's been standing here for like 6 hours on the opposite side. as you will see in a moment in a 2nd tim smith, but just to give you an idea of that, i mean what, what, what we do out there's hundreds of, of members of the media with that, but that little tens, hats are reporters and that production teams and that are all about steps here because any, any slight hints they offer you protest to them. they're immediately phones. you know, i'm trying to be able for smoking about this providing kids. yeah. if i see someone i'm there, we're going this long so much. so for example, we have a chop here with

a new one was lose a side. it's a living room, a business there. as you can see, tim smith has been here since 4 11 am level type a 6506 hours or something like that. i would imagine what brought it out to you, raymond, to meet via arrangements. right. so what did you make of that? i mean, if the charges sold up, it's incredible. this is american history and action. why do you think the country is so dividing? so divide to 10 of you have decided that's, yeah, this is a, you know, this is a terrible, terrible action by the old trump. if, if everything is help holds up, why do you think that so many others don't feel that way of called the personality . they've been drawn into something or listening to avenues that are disingenuous or straight applies. but um yeah, if you look at the poles, job id on donald trump, all neck and neck right now, how would you explain that? but i mean, i think most americans already met their minds. if you would ask me what's gonna happen in a year's time, we're going to see the exact same results plus selection,

almost verbatim. point by point almost. what does it help that so many people don't want joe biden to run out of it? is that, is that what sort of folding into the drum, the inter given trump, what? by some estimates the best drones and when they even better than 2016 or 2020 really you know way i think that the button has done good and bad and again, people are just split right down the middle. you're all to see another democratic candidate there against ro. absolutely. are in terms of like either jo, buying or someone else. yeah. personally, i'd rather see a different democrat and, but i won't be voting button if that's if it comes to you. thank you so much. tim smith, very hopefully named tim smith, who's been standing here in this field. there are a few more anti drug protest is over there, but the trip and he took me to see by the flags and people moving around there, about victory, 3 pets protests. and then you can just see the one chat with the enrollment flag is working out behind them. but, but mainly that here it is. it is, report is there was, well, there it is on some pro truck websites,

outright truck routes that were wanting slip pro. trump, demons are just not to come because it was seen as maybe positive, a pulse to and trump for them to arrest more people. there is that, but stop perhaps that narrative and trump? well, that's perhaps even january 6th was a full slide authoration to arrested by trump's voters as possible. so that was that sense of going to stay away. this is, this could be another tropical and some outraged web spaces. but right now that it is, it is relatively quiet out here. i mean, wait for the completion of this arrange. she have many signs for that. okay, from she have over to i live in fisher, who's outside of the federal court house and the island as we start this new our we now believe the trump is in that proceeding. took us through the significance of what we're expecting, what we know that his lawyer has in the last 20 minutes or so given an interview to folks use. the fact that she would pick fault to use is probably no surprise. she

once again said that this is a political indictment of donald trump, that all he was doing was exercising his free speech to the point about him being told that the election i'd be lost, that there was no grounds for him to change the so hot argument is that you've received a lot of information after the election and you listen to all of it, but acted on some of it. that may give us an indication of a defense that donald trump is going to put up. but there will be no kind of formalization of that defense beyond him, pleading not guilty. i know that he is actually a puting in court. don't see that he is a republican strategist, he's joining as you and i don't to think donald trump will be disappointed that there are no more supporters here. is it something you would expect given that it, this is washington dc, and this is a democratic time. i, i, it's like, it's still a good question. yeah, obviously this is not the size of

a big truck riley. i'm not sure if he's going to come around and try to shake hands . but there is a festive atmosphere here that is best name to watch and i'm watching all these people walking by small children or older people. people of all races, colors, crees, and probably all portable parties. and they seem to be all having a heck of a good time. so this is something the thing with donald trump, this is 2016 people went alone to see the show. it wasn't about that this started wasn't about his policies. it was about what the next day rate, this thing he's going to say, i don't think you're gonna see any deep ideological discussions in this crowd. i think it is all about the show and i think they're all, you know there's, they seem to be museums of. yes, there's so many of these different trials going on, different prosecutions from causes persecutions. and i bet to some of these folks go from prosecution and prosecution, the prosecution, they probably start as a traveling show as including the media. so, you know, i think that from a democracy standpoint, you know, like was this is howard our, our democracy is sunk by the other science. you know, it is

a populous world. we live in these days. and donald trump upgraded, but talking about democracy is and democracy, the whole idea that the legal system treat everyone equally. and therefore, donald trump, who's alleged to have committed crimes, is being treated equally, even though he was the president of the united states. well i, i think that that, that case is being made. what's up both donald trump and with 100 vitamins of rubbery, ask republicans, they see what's going on with how they're buying their think you've got some sort of special break from the justice department. and that's the presence of sun, and now you have this persecution of donald trump mean. what republican see is i see and on equal up for, for the prosecution of the law. and they also look at the judge and i see that the judge used to work it 100 binds law firm may say what the heck is going on here. so republicans look at this and they're like, they think that he's being persecuted, but they, they are also along here for the show. i think it's important to point out that the hunter biking prosecution was led by a trump a point to prosecute. uh, there's also initially he was initially pointed by obama and there's a lot he was re appointed by trump. so you're going to evaluate and that's because

trump had no idea of a person now. and one of the great criticisms of conservatives when it comes to donald trump is he had very little idea of who is appointing and did a very poor job of it. and that's what got them in trouble as present as america pull it to american politics and trouble because of what a boat has a, because everyone points as well. but donald trump is that the what about hunter bite, but under bite? and what about? and he mentioned someone else, well, it's all about try to get those voters in the middle, right? because they're the ones who decide elections. and what about of them is a consistent theme in politics and america. and it's all part of, you know, um, i guess you can say it's a race to the bottom, but this, the populace world we live in and yeah, i mean both sides are not without saying. and i think we can we of all see that by just watching both, both sides of the political ledger, someone's bit of bolton postings for a long time. do you just spear it? is it tiresome that this is what american politics has become? i don't despair,

actually i think that i'm getting more people involved. and if you look at the last several elections where people have voted and never before using a higher voting for sensors, never before the, you know, this kind of reminds me of the andrew jackson revolution of, of aging twenty's when people were despairing of all these, you know grubby, dirty wester is coming and the votes mean that they feel the same way about the trump voters. i, i think, you know, the, ironically you have more people involved in politics. they're not there, sometimes the right people, but they are according to the li classes, but there are the people and they're making their voice search both the left and the right. do you think there are some republican senators who, at this stage regret not impeaching donald trump for january the 6th? because if they've done that, you wouldn't be able to run again. he'd be bound from office. and so the whole idea of him perhaps being convicted here and running for president, we'll wait for this where i think there's a lot of republican sanders who wish donald trump to go away. but they also know if they would have voted to convict down trump. they would have lost whatever election

they would end driven from office, maybe in peace themselves from their own state parties. so i think they probably probably look back and they were style trump of go away. but they know that he's not what. okay, that was the stuff going on. and how do you think if he is convicted here that will play out on a presidential election? can we? can we continue just to say, when he says they're coming after you, but i'm in the way. i mean that's not exactly right. i think i think it's a very telling what a 5 point. and i think as i think the republican voters largely really um, i also think that this, if this proxies us board and if they get a conviction in the dc court, there will be appeal to the supreme court. and i guarantee you that the sprinkler overall you think i don't think it's going. i think this is actually a very, very weak environment. and i'm, if i are going trump, i would say that this thing that i most want to focus on. because it's the indictment that i'm best able to with because well because that took the spot for

his speech. he didn't do an assignments. he's basically saying that down from new the one the last election. and that's what the, or the fact that he somehow knew the very last, i don't think he, i think he really still believes that he won the election. and to prove that point is i think, part best by the prosecution. and i think that jack smith is not, is going to prosecute as people think. and i, a bob mcdonald, who is the governor of virginia, has this report to prove that that's the case. and i mean, i know, you know, lawyers, this might be an unfair question, but if i say i'm going to go hold the money in the bank, is my money. okay. and then i going to give me all my money that doesn't suit and take the money from the bank. that's more than we speech the past 2 months. please be. so this is a free speech argument at difficult one to the way i don't know whether or not it's saying is that they're not saying that statement. they're not saying that he caused january 6th. what they're saying is that he says they're not,

they're not using assignment herself as conspiracy by a model or, but i think it's pretty far fetched. i will say it right. i do think they'll get a conviction in dc. i just don't think it'll hold up for a joint. i know you've got to go. i really appreciate your time and your insight. thank you very much. deep and sorry for throwing a legal question. i know you're not a lawyer. there are a lot of people who are here who believe that they know how the court will deal with this. people think the the or how the case is going to pano. and many of them as you've been hearing from she happen from heidi as the believe the. 7 just easy for him to be convicted, not because, but that's so how it works. jack smith is going to take his team into court. they've got to present evidence, 1st of all, to the judge to show that this case is bible. and then they've got to convince 12 people that beyond a reasonable doubt, what donald trump said was illegal. and you can hear that some of that protest there's of no time their voice and certainly find their mega point in with that. why don't you back to do? all right, thanks

a lot for that highlighted well as alan was saying, yes, protest as help indeed found that voice. some of them both for trump against trumpet, been gathering around the court house in washington, d. c. by the barricades heidi's your country is that she is being meeting people in the crowd. somebody to heidi for a city that sold at insurrection take place on january. the 6th 2021. now this cool case, what a, what a turn of events. that's right. and you know, it actually happened all so quickly. this indictment was a now so was immediately on sealed. and just 2 days later, here we are with the former president's 1st court raymond, and really talking to people here who live in washington. any said they were caught off guard for this that happened and escalates so quickly. that said, we are all now waiting as the president, the former president is having his arraignment occur as we speak. he's been in that courtroom now for some 1015 minutes. a likely he'll be there for another 15 or 20

and then everyone is expecting that he will quickly make his way back out of the court room. likely the same way he went in, which was right past where we were standing through the underground garage. also, some more details coming out of the court room were told that trump is dressed in his usual uniform reveals, so to speak, the navy blue tide of the navy blue jacket rather the red tie. he's with his 2 attorneys. and interestingly enough, among those within the court room, our 3 police officers who had defended the us capital on january 6th, 2 of them had been injured, and another was pursued violently by this mob. one of them releasing a statement after entering the court room that he just wanted to see those actions held accountable. and of course, this is the same court house where some $1000.00 defendants have been charged in that attack on the capital. some of them sentenced up to 18 years in prison. it's

notable that those long sentences were they were found guilty of insurrection over trying to overturn the us government. and its interesting as our guests have been pointing out, that that is not a charge that was levied against trump in this indictment. rather, he has been accused of conspiracy to defraud the us to deprive people of their voting rights and to stop and official proceeding. and speaking to experts, they say that might have been intentional, and that the prosecutors did want to tailor this case as narrowly as possible. make it a compelling case, not only for the your, e before checked, potentially for the crater american public to digest. and very importantly, in order for this trial to be completed potentially before the next election in november of next year. anyway, that's all far down the road as we're waiting for this 1st here at court appearance

of donald trump in this conspiracy to defraud the us and voters case to wrap up the heidi many thanks so that that's heidi was saying, the boys very much rolling in the legal procedures now we're probably about halfway through that hearing and which donald trump is being fully arrested. and the range he will not be in handcuffs, but he will have a chance to plead guilty on guilty. a few guesses as to what we think donald trump will say, whether that of course, will be a message that his lawyer says on his behalf of these a lot of pictures from outside the court room, things are pretty, come out there are few protests is against trump a substantial number 4, but nevertheless the police in washington dc haven't been given violence much time, a tool between the indictment being issued and this quote, date being sent to arrange all the security. and there is a ring of steel barricade around the, the court house, a row of trucks of being especially parked by the police. that's where void to any

trouble, but everything is pretty peaceful. let's take a closer look at the full charges. donald trump is facing a bit more detail now. i mean, the indictments, donald trump, will have to also include conspiracy to the for the united states are refusing to accept his loss of the 2020 election. a 2nd charge, a conspiracy against the rights of voters by depriving vices of having that counts properly counted. also, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding technical support is elections cannot be trusted. i'm claiming that they are rigs and obstruction of an attempt to obstruct an official proceeding. and congress was trying to certify the elections on january the 6th, 2021. okay, last spring. and michael is a golf, who's a student, washington, dc and investigative journalist, michael, welcome back to the program. i guess the big question is, will these charges stick eventually? will it not donald trump office punch as well?

i, you know, this is going to be a long drawn out process. it's not quite as clean as the prosecutor's presented in the indictment, although there is some really damming stuff in that indictment. i'm just sort of dye sets the, the charges which you just enumerated um the of the conspiracy to defraud the united states. the conspiracy to obstruct the official proceeding. so they really rest on. yep. trump's refusal to accept the, the results of the election even after they have, even after there were recounts and there were certifications by executives in all the battleground states that affirmed joe biden's victory. but it's not a crime to object to the result of an election. i should point out that in on

january 6th, 2531 house democrats objected to the results in ohio between george w bush and john kerry had those objections prevail. they would have reversed the results of the election and awarded the presidency to john kerry. so merely objecting to uh, the results of an election right cannot be construed as a federal crime. what is alleged here? we have some really strong evidence is that trump went beyond that um and that the use of the fake collectors and the flood of, of, of merit list loss suits. and the pressure on election officials such as brad wrappings, burger in georgia, and others who were called directly by the president amounted to improper pressure . they cross the line, it's still going to be a very tough case is to prove because, you know,

you get to the question of intent. did donald trump really know he had lost the election and was doing this anyway? so he could stay in power or did he believe what, at least some of his lawyers were telling them that there were grounds to object to the lawsuit. and that's why one of the curious things about the environment is that those co conspirators, rudy giuliani, john eastman kenneth chest burrow were not indicted as part of it because they were the ones who was telling trump you could do this. right. and um i, it appears that jack smith, the prosecutor, the, the special council made the decision that in order to move this forward in order to have a clean case, right, that doesn't get bogged down in multiple motions. he's going to leave out, at least for now, those co conspirators. but i think that that's going to be a big part of the case of the defense, right, right. i, the president,

donald trump, was relying on what they told essentially what you say about the environmental go, the company, the and diamond he icons that i read every single word of it. but it is incredibly easy to understand. it's very easy to follow. i mean, in the 1st couple of pages, it says exactly what you've just said, that the defendant has a right like every american to speak publicly and even claim that in the election result may have been false. the problem is that the suggestion here is that the claims are false and the defendant knew that they were false. as you say, that's going to be incredibly difficult to try and prove in a court of law. so it's what you think the defensive distracted she is going to be what just that, i mean, 1st of all, just taking a step back, the idea that anybody could get into donald trump's head is a pretty challenging prospect on his face. right? and so what prosecutors have to prove is that beyond a reasonable doubt,

the trump knew what he was saying was, milwaukee was not, it was not, i was not true. and eddie said it anyway. and he acted any way, not just what he said, but his actions. but again, i come back to look, there were many people who told trump, you know, you lost the election. there is no evidence of fraud. his attorney general told them that the. ready bar, you know, the department of homeland security which was running the election security office, told them this was the clean is the election in american history. no evidence of fraud. every individual states that conducted these elections and the investigators the relevant election authorities found no evidence of fraud. but yeah, oh, you had people like julie on a, an eastman dell and i'm a well the loud is. there are reasons. yeah. i'm talking about giuliani,

of course he is one of the many trump loyalists who being repeatedly saying that this indictment that i have here in my hand is nothing short of a political document. there's nothing legal in it. a tool. yeah. well, i mean look, rudy giuliani is got a lot of legal troubles on his own. i should point out that you know, this is not the last criminal case that donald trump is likely to be facing is already had to indictments. this is the 3rd, we are expecting a 4th one in georgia in a couple of weeks, and that's likely to include some of those people who are not indicted here. um, so you know, the, the idea that donald trump, i could just select who we wanted to listen to and ignore you know, the official verdicts of the people in many cases he had

a pointed um is going to be a contrast. the prosecutors are going to harp on, but again, they've got to get that very high bar to prove that he actually knew that what the of what the attorney general was telling with the f b. i was telling him what state officials were telling him was false and he believed with these other lawyers were told by michael, let's talk about the republican reaction to this because i wonder how much of a public an opinion on know if this really matches, considering that the front of republicans were on the centers, for instance, flatly dismissed the indictment before we had a chance to, to read a tool. i mean, clearly criticising from carries a lot of political consequences for other republicans who are hoping to run the right. and so, yeah, no, no, look, i mean, the go back and look at and, and chart. the poll numbers throughout this year. trump was always had as

formidable base and was always going to be a formidable candidate in 2024. but where he really shot up was after that 1st indictment from alvin, brag about payments of cash money to stormy daniels, the, the porn star. that struck a lot of people, republicans, but also a lot of independent legal analysts as a fairly weak case. and it looks like a political prosecution, that's the closest you can get to the, to the trump charge that these and the republican charge that these are all political. and as a result, trunk numbers went up. that's when he really took command of this g o p primary race with that. um and you know, the, the 2nd indictment, mar lago classified documents, much stronger. no real evidence of, of, of political motivations in that one that was brought by jack smith with special

council as well. but to the i, to republican voters, it had the, the feel of piling off. and here we have another indictment from jack smith and i have no doubt, many republicans are going to see this as more evidence of piling on. it is coming from the joe biden justice department, even though jack smith is a career prosecutor appointed. and special council without political interference. but the optics of the piling on, i think, are going to be a big factor in the g o p primer race. and i think that's a big reason that people like randa santas and others who help to this place. donald trump are treating this very warily because they know that to um, endorse these prosecutions will look like they are endorsing what republican voters see as piling on for pin. okay, that's my michael. let me push it out for

a 2nd because then donald trump presented no not guilty plea on the charges of trying to over to and the 2020 us election. no surprises that. but of course, they say significant not exactly as of friday, if not exactly. it does mean that the wheels in motion for a trial just focus. we briefly, what happens next when that's likely to be, if it happens that tool as well, we don't know. we're going to be looking for clues. now this is a magistrate judge, so this is not the judge who will be setting the trial date. but we could get some inklings about a potential schedule, at least for further hearings before the judge will be trying with kate case, judge jake, and she's the one that will set the set the trial date. and yeah, i expect that. yeah. jack smith has made it clear he wants this to move quickly. he knows what the trump strategy is, which is delayed delay, delay, get, wait till this, it wait until the election. and then of course, if he wins,

donald trump will be in charge of the justice department. he could fire jack smith and he could. ready order his attorney general to shut down the um, uh, any further actions on these proceedings, but that's only the case if it's still going on. um, uh, during when the next president, whether it's donald trump or joe biden, or somebody else takes office, we don't know what our point to is is worth considering here is even if jack smith gets his way, and uh, this can go to trial next year before the election and trump is convicted, which is likely, washington, dc jerry pool. you can't get a more anti trump jury pool than washington dc. it, it will be on appeal. he will not be setting it. will it be sentenced, but he won't be serving any time. the case will still be an open one. and when

voters go to the polls, um, you know, the donald trump, all the may be convicted, but he will still be, is it will still have his rights and he will still be arguing an appeal. so these cases are not going to be resolved. as a practical matter, the power process you built a quarter bills you built for the supreme court, right? it's going to take years. michael, michael, many, thanks for your insight. and all of this michael is cost that well as you, as i just mentioned. so we've got to play from the form of us present. donald trump, a has pled not guilty to charges, so you can spite over time, the 2020 election of officials to be monitoring all of this very closely. indeed. and i was quite struck by a quote from ronald reagan, of course, a full, my us republican president, who said the transfer of power, the democracy is nothing short of a miracle. and that's precisely what donald trump is being accused of subverting.

and when daniel trump was running for the presidency in 2016, he said if anyone was under federal investigation that should immediately disqualify them for running for office. it didn't stop. donald trump from the cleaning, his effort for presidency back in november last year. and many people felt at the time the whole reason for doing that was so that you call this a political post pressik persecution. and indeed, his lawyer has been speaking to the media just in the last half hour or so, seeing that, that's exactly what it is, but this is all political. the reason they're taking the action is be see that donald trump is by far the leading republican candidate. i do a take on joe biden, in the election in november next year, and they're also suggesting, according to recent polls that donald trump would beat joe biden in that election. so they are saying the reason they're doing this is to try and take him out of the equation. the fact that donald trump pleaded not guilty as no surprise to anyone,

were just getting some details from inside the courtroom. bear with me just one second. so it might so it will stop my apologies. um, what did it say? not so is that just as we're getting from the court house court room number 22, the prosecutors will not seek detention for trump, which means of course, that he's likely to be freed on his own. cook dyson says, they say that centrally, you can look at the court this evening and head back to bed minster, which is his plan. but also he told the court that he would need help in getting court appointed attorneys. all of this happening live in the court as we're standing here. i'd site the federal courthouse in washington dc. but going back to the point about donald trump running for president. the intentional was, was but he declared natalie because because he felt that he could make this about a political persecution that they were going after him because he wanted to run for

the office again that it was the deep state. remember, he talked about that a great deal when he was running a 2016 and then when he actually one the election, that it was the deep state that he was trying to dismantle. they were acting against them. and he's told many of his supporters that they would go after them, but he is standing in front of them. well, they're all to go after them if, if they've committed crimes in that sense, such would one mean distinction, but that's resonated enough for the supporters that they've put millions of dollars into his political action committee. and there was millions are being used to help with his legal defenses in new york, where he's facing as the charges in miami, where he's facing the case of keeping under instructing that the documents being returned to, to the rightful owners. and here in washington, dc where he's accused of 3 charges of conspiracy and one of obstruction when it comes to trying to overturn the presidential election in 2020. i know that it's

probably a typical question town. so right now, but clearly the prosecution of hoping to move very quickly on this. is there any sense of how long it will take before this is a, this is a, in a quotes and the whole problem is on try as well. certainly that is the, the fact that it's a slim to don't indictment. that is pretty clear as you were saying, you've read through lots of ideas of most of the people here. i would suspect it is pretty clear and pretty simple. it's a speaking indictments essentially leaving out the keys, but we know that jack smith, there's a lot more information and a lot more evidence that he can present in court. clearly, the intention is to keep it as simple as possible, not bring in other defense attorneys by charging there was a named cool conspiracy conspirators, because then you have to deal with a, the legal teams as well. so this makes it much more streamlined, and the intention does, of course, to bring it to court as quickly as possible. something, excuse me, the jacks with this. talked about in miami and also here at the,

the defendant it should be to god that is innocent until proven guilty. and that he just as in court to challenge these allegations and accusations against them. and as i mentioned before, one of the reasons many republican senators did not vote for donald trump's impeachment, which would have stopped him running for office in future after january the 6th. and remember was after he left the office was that, well look, this a he's, he's gone from office is not for the send it to decide. there are other legal remedies. well, jack smith, 2 days ago called the bluff and said these are the legal remedies we're taking him to come. busy i'm, we're charging him with these 4 defenses. and so donald trump has been in court. he's given his name, he's given his age. that interestingly enough, and this will become a talking point. when asked is a, she said 77 know 7072 bit 77. it's just a bit odd, but it will come a cooking point. new died and then of course pleaded not guilty to the charges which we knew and said that he didn't know problem funding his defense because we

know he's getting the millions of dollars from his supporters and money. thanks for that. will no doubt come back to you a little later role as this progresses. less cost service to heidi joe katherine, who was also in washington dc to actually before we go to heidi, let's give a couple of seconds to get set up. let's talk you through what we're looking at here. this is the, the scene outside the courthouse. clearly lots of binders. what is that? that's a full truck on to trump, that's against trump. and so they have been creating some of the prime supporters as well who a colleague, she ever tons expects a bit earlier logs the peaceful given that the security, if any, been given a couple of days since the indictment was made public to plan all of this heidi to a customer who is reading heidi. you all of the barricades that i a lot of trucks sweeping cycles, riley evening. i've been pocked as a precaution. things are being lost the peaceful,

but of course this is x usually share, usually symbolic case. for washington, d. c, a country at large. that's right, and you know it as this part for cd wraps up to me. this is where we're expecting from to make his exit essentially retracing the steps, each of which was through that underground parking garage. you can see that the secret service, the police are sort of resuming their blockades. so were expecting maybe in the next 1020 minutes for the former president to be returning via his motorcade to his private jet and back to new jersey where his home is. and as we've been talking, i've been listening to the discussion. i've also been joined here by many people from washington who are also listening and digesting this information in real time . and i actually want to go back to our guest here, mister will johnson if i can disturb you, i know you're trying to monitor the news or you are listening to the news. why is

it so important for you to grasp every detail of what's happening? because, you know, this has been sold and coming and you know, we keep stacking indictment on top of indictment in top of indictment on this guy. and you want, for me, eventually the dam to break so that all sensible people get that this guy is on fit to lead us. or you are from the state of wisconsin, which as a reminder to our viewers, it's one of the battleground states that trump is a charge for trying to throw out the votes for bite in trying to influence the legislature there, to replace those votes for votes, for trump fraudulently, why is it important for you to see this moment in person? you know it's, it's important because i just happen to be in town. and this is going to be the biggest case, preferably in american history. you know, like all the lawyers are comparing it to, you know, dred scott and, you know, the board of education versus the united states. i, what i'm saying is, for me,

it's the biggest trial that i was conscious of in my lifetime. so i couldn't, i could not be here, you know, maybe i'm a kind of political animal, but i have to be here to see this. and i know he wants me, but i want to boo loud enough that he didn't hear me. he could be coming out standing here and he could be coming out in a few more minutes. but i heard your reaction in real time when you were learning that some of the statements of the judge was making to the former president. * and mr. trump, not mister president, telling him that if he were to influence witnesses or the jurors that he could be arrested. and what was your reaction to hearing? oh, you know, he's a crooked guy, he's oh, you know, he won't do it. but you know, his minions will probably do it. and we hope you, i tell that, you know, he gets what's coming to him. you know, i believe he is making his are good. thank you so much walker. and we'll actually see if we can catch you of the trump motorcade as it makes its way out of the court house soon. nice party. many thanks for that. we all keeping an eye on

trump's progress out of that building eventually and just a brief update to the judge that has apparently set the date for the next hearing, which will take place on august the 28th. we will try and work out exactly what that means in terms of this case progressing through quotes and hearings that in the united states. but so let's go over now to she every time. see who's also in washington dc. so a real strength of feeling from the person that to heidi direct, castro, i was just speaking to a lot of people being saying where you all she up. well we're, we're slightly uh we're actually on the south side of the quote i was actually can see the courthouse, the heidi was actually just there without a trump shouldn't be actually coming out of the entrance at some point. probably the other direction you can see. capitol hill, the right way in the show there is help with the, the, the riots that interrupted the certification process. and major part of the

indictments, we have simple anti trump protests is that it will come back to people and we've seen all day and we have another they'll come to the product from the restaurant. it's like it's still to let's, let's do $2.00 to $1.00 right now. we have a quick, tough. yeah, barely. sorry. no, no, i'll do. i'm actually you are here actually on january the 6th. what do you, sir? what was your experience about the one of the best i've been active as for 20 years, different things. number one event in my life, standing there with hundreds of thousands of people that wanted to save america. it was a great experience for the course of invalid from the official narratives about that . and now it's large, but i don't know about official, the mainstream media is not official to me. so i'm talking the certification process providers and so on. and you have a much of the film is just being released that they'd never seen before. and

example the guy with the biking or jason translate from my state. it'd be see the found from dr. karl sanders, many found like that. there are 3 jason, i think it's jacob badger, jacob chandler through the through the capital, the guy with the horn. i divide by just every about. yeah, i right just for new example, believe it or not interested. if it was an interest in and say what a rush, i mean, right there, it's all about the polarization. the 2 different ways of looking at, i mean, how do you look at the indictments? what about this? this is validation, but trump attempted to have a separate design role like never been done in american history, not in my lifetime or gone american history, where are running a guy running for president that was already present, but he's running for president and he's been and died at all across the. busy board, and these indictments almost all of us could come under these indictments. that's a every part of it by and has a lot more worst charges that could come against him and then trump any day. but

don't you think that wouldn't be easy though to have a different candidates right there. trump is really facing a lot of legal problems right now. wouldn't let me else as that are, did you? but that wouldn't be acceptable for us. they tried to replace somebody with drums, they couldn't run not acceptable, but you didn't get level down to be present. i personally don't think they will allow him to be present again because he will chop them up big time, the evil, the corruption. i can say it that way perhaps, and he will drop it up. they don't want him in there again. i believe they will pull every stopping in the book and beyond. to make sure he doesn't get in there. that's what they're doing now. just so much, god bless you, man. on you about is huge here just to view about 30 percent or so for the trump. that is, that is the view of 60 to 70 percent of the republican party. but the last election was riggs. i'm that you listen to rome, desantis donald trump. sometimes he doesn't, he talks about the recognize i see the department of justice. so there you go. i

mean that, that is, or that is actually not a freedom support. this is a main stream republican. so that was a little bit my work for those, actually, the extra, see how many things for the less cost. but now to heidi jake has strep, because we are waiting for a full president, trump to leave the court house. we are expecting that any moment to just repeat what has happened is that donald trump arrived was formally arrested, went through the arraignment, which means that it was presented with the charges of being accused of attempted to over 10 to 2020 election results. he is pleaded not guilty heidi. i mean the ball is rolling. i suppose when it comes to any kind of legal process, any kind of future trial that will come donald trump's way. i mean, the question is whether there is enough evidence to support these claims made by the prosecution of the best. right. and, you know,

this indictment that we've been talking about and the, the, it is written in a way that is very digestible, easy to understand. and a $45.00 pages is actually relatively short. i have been hearing from experts that this may have been intentional, but there must be much more varied underneath the surface in terms of evidence that has not been made public. and that the prosecution with the saving, of course, for the actual trial. but yes, this was the beginning of that process and you're seeing at least are hearing some of the sounds of i believe the motorcade now gathering to as for donald trump, out of the court house, which were expecting imminently. but i'm drawing here by, you know, people were of course we have a lot of press here. we have a lot of security officers with washington dc, metropolitan police force who were credited for very quickly defending the capital on january 6. they are here now guarding the safety of the former president, who is accused of uh,

using that mob to try to just try to further his full of over turning the last presidential election. they are here. we have these dump trucks that have been parts here as barricades. the city really on lock down to ensure the safety of the former president. and of course, a lot of people gather just to witness this moment. we've been talking to people from d. c, as well as from around the country who want it to be here and just try to catch a glimpse of, of the former president as the, as he makes his way into the court house. and now as if, as he makes his way out, we talked to one gentleman who said he want to hear wanted to be as close as possible, so that when he boos that trump could potentially hear him. you can see that of course the, the clouds are gathering now needed, so they might rain here in washington. and so when trump does make his exit from the courthouse, i and this may not be a very bright occasion when he,

when he comes out because there will be not only, of course, be the rain here, but also people who are most, for the most part not too happy to see him. i know there are some fro trump, protesters here as well, but the vast majority where i'm standing are those who want to see him have his day in court in answer to the charges that he's accused of. yeah, heidi, we receive a camera is a trained on the, on the exit, waiting for donald trump's called ex, it had the apple and then he will travel back to bed minutes to new jersey. and his result that let's not forget, of course, that some he is campaigning to try and leave the republican party against the presidential election next year. he is by far the funds run a and in all of that, i guess for international view is looking at this. the question is, will any of this really have a dent on public opinion surrounding that attempt to lead the party into the election? yeah, that is

a huge question. not just for international viewers up here for americans as well because yes, with each is doing indictment. even the past trumps polling with his base with republicans as only grow. now there haven't been polls since his indictment was announced on tuesday, but his campaign trump campaign is certainly betting on this appearance, benefiting him politically. but the bigger question is, how this would, how this resonates with not just republicans, but american voters in general. and we do have a little bit of data on that your time see on a college pull from a couple of days ago. but still, prior to this indictment being handed down, finding that we're trying to become the republican nominee, which you all for all evidence is pointing in that direction. and then he has a one on one face off again with joe biden. the 2 are currently tied in that pull by the new york times, which may be indeed surprising to some, but it's been ex, played as not just people who are supporting trumps,

but also voters who are worried about joe biden. and about his age being a major concern. so that is one reason perhaps that could explain a trans resilience despite these indictments and that he still has so much popular support already many, thanks again for that. so now let's go back to the island fisher island. i got a, we have some news on the, on the hearing that it is, is wrapped up and it will so an announcement by the, the judge who has set a date for another hearing. what more information do you have? the, the heating is over, but my estimation that was about 1755 minutes. so about 10 to 12 minutes. less than that, it took in miami i. the defense were offered a date for the next appearance in court in front of the judge, who will hear this, which of course is as is tanya chuck and i knew it all for the 21st. the 22nd or

the 28th of august. so we've been talking about how the trump campaign had the top legal team would like to delete this for as much as possible. they picked the later date, which is august the 28th. so what's that 2 and a half weeks from now? i don't tumble not be required to appear in person for that date. but also as, as melanie sloan was explaining to is a federal prosecutor who's been with us over the last few hours of the fight credit score. and now to the judge who will hear the case, will speed up the process slightly more simply because if you continue to do it in front of a mustang on the going to interrupt your thoughts about that. i'm just going to interrupt you a 2nd just to just to say that we're looking at life pictures of donald trump, leaving the courthouse is this most certainly as island fisher has been saying, wrapped up another quote dates has been set for august. the 28th is alan was saying that donald trump and his defense team very, very keen to delay that for as long as possible. back to heidi showed castro who's

outside the well outside the quotes. and so it is just the start offs when it comes to this a legal procedures against donald trump. and of course this is just one of several is no of the yeah, you know, hey, we've started and then it ended so quickly as well. just in the last few minutes, if you were seeing those live images, trust motors, motor gape, passing by us now headed back to the airport and back to his home and administered new jersey and the crowd is this 1st thing we heard people doing as each vehicle as they passed, trying to communicate their displeasure of having trump returned to the city where that mob a task the us capital just blocks away force resulting in 5 deaths. a 140 police officers being attacked. d but also just here to witness history. many were telling me, you know, they never thought the state would arrive. trump had been twice impeached,

now indicted 3 times. up until now he has not been really made to pay for any of his actions. those who oppose and believed, and they wanted to be here today to witness the beginning of this chapter of history in which a us a former us president is charged for trying to overturn the hearts of what makes this a democracy, which is the counting the votes standing in the way of a peaceful transition, which donald trump just quoted, not guilty to heidi. thanks for that. that this has to be one of the most televised journey. so the airports we've seen in recent years of costillo try making his way back to ronald reagan, apple, and he will board his trump jets and will fly back to his the results near new eric, let's go back to while officiated because we were talking about what's gonna be happening next, an island as it were,

saying the us magistrate judge sense trump's next court hearing for august the 28th . what do we expect to happen then? it will be some legal arguments. the fact that donald trump isn't required in court . they will talk about discovery which is when the prosecution, honda were all they have to, to the defense and also evidence that could get don't come off of the charges. they've got had everything over and, and clearly with such great attention on this, this is not something where you can play fast and loose with the rules. it will be incumbent on jack smith to make sure that they've got absolutely everything they need don't. top is not heading to the airport, it's just 5 kilometers from where we're standing in the center of washington dc. what is unusual compared to the last miami trip, is that this time there is a media bought some media, many bus, which means that many people traveled with the former president from his,

the state and betterments there. we were told by his team that he's likely to make some comments who remember that after miami he went to. busy local bakery where he was met with supporters there he made some brief comments. we expect similar sort of thing here. remember, during don't times time in the white house we would be as he left many, many times he would engage with the media before he bought at the helicopter and headed off on, on some johnny somewhere. so he's very comfortable in that sort of scenario. so we can see the don't from my well speak. and again, we'll new, the protest is innocence, which is what is legal team have been doing over the last hour and a number of interviews that, that they've given me saying that this is a political prosecution of a former president who is also the greatest challenger to jo biden's presidency. the fact that he did his team said that it would take the late to dates before we get into that at the fact that donald trump would like to delete this for as long as possible. but it will go before the judge rather than the magistrate who he is the 1st hearing. so august 28th is the next big day for donald trump's legal

calendar. new day will be a few events where he will speak about this beforehand did. he will talk about how he is innocent and this is a political persecution, right? it was become the center piece of his presidential campaign it's. it's certainly have that. i mean, the island vermont us who judge tanya chuck can is because she will play obviously a significant role going forward. and as soon as that name was mentioned, to the defense breast sold and no doubt donald trump, russell to or 5. well, you know, i've spoken to a few people who, who to, we are all of our reputations. who is a block obama pointy i, she is certainly being very tough. one sentence thing for the was involved in the violence in january. the 6th given is that number of sentences, which have been a fall, which people what people with regard to the normal. but she's actually the got. it is very, very straight down the line when it comes to running her court room. and so when i

spoke to someone on tuesday, i said, what about the judge? the name essentially just comes out of the hot. it used to be that they went into a wheel and the name came out. so that you hear them talking about how the judge's name came out of the wheel. a slightly more advanced than that a, but she's a god, that is fear. so while there'll be some consent and the trump come by and larger thing should be regarded as, as, as a, for your set of eyes over the pending proceedings and adjusting stress. the she was chosen to preside over the case at random. i mean, the interesting that she made the comment, the president is not a king, and the plaintive is not a presidents. i mean, defense, and most certainly, donald trump, i've repeatedly accused the judiciary of politicizing all of this. i mean, how much is that message lines? well just to be clear that that quote came from an area code case, which was donald trump trying to blow the january 6 committee from obtaining some

documents and went to court. and at that point she said, look, to get, had to go over the documents, but she said it in a much more prosaic and much more elaborate way i, i and so heart position is very clear that this is a court of the people by the people for the people, so you can understand that the that's how she will run hard proceedings all in many thankful if that's okay. let's move on. well, a trump spokes person. okay, well let's, let's wrap the end of the program here. just to repeat, the trump had arrived, being arrested and arranged in the united states, charged on full counts of conspiracy to over to the 2020 election results. these uh, earlier pictures of the former us present donald trump leaving the cool house. the

trump, of course, has been insights of several times this as afoot, criminal, and diamond, to the most grave relating to when he was serving as president. also a real test of the american judicial system going forward. you have been watching, i'll just hear a lie from dave hall. but he, thanks for watching the . the weather brought to you by visit castle. hello. we got a mobile set up in the weather across southern parts of australia. bands of plans sweeping through the by little area of light pressure as a cold front. so that's and they've been plies cooler pressure with a sweeping across the southeast and cooling 19 celsius for adelaide and also full melvin. the right pushes by the east woods and temperatures pull back to around 14 degrees. so we are attached below the seasonal average at this stage, bolting sales. just that's a 4. how about what's the weather? sliding able towards sidney, the sas. they often name a while. i the tools,

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