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hello welcome to the show. i'm sam is a band. it's a k some see as an example of political persecution. india is opposition lead that a whole gandhi was sentenced to jail off to being convicted of the same in crime and us, and that under body in march. well, now the supreme court has suspended the conviction that could paved the way for the congress bought the chief to make a political come back. but this case is prompting questions about induced judicial system and the state of its democracy. so how will this affect the chances of the government and the opposition in next year's elections will get into that without guessing a moment. but 1st, this report from the catalog has already on the he is one of india as well known political figures. and now opposition leader ra, who's gone these cases. perhaps the most controversial, a high court has suspended his conviction for defamation. after he stated,

all thieves have moody as their last name. many saw that as an insult against prime minister nerve under moody, with the defamation case. now thrown out both allies and levels of india's congress party leader are waiting on what he'll do next. hello. such a key due to the truth winds, whatever happens, my policy is clear. i have clarity in my mind about what i have to do and what my work is all about. i think the people to sell this for the loving simple the 2 year jail sentence in march automatically led to gundy suspension from parliament one now he might be able to retake his seat and even run against modi's party and next year's national elections. his picture has gone up and he's been seen as somebody who's been single dog, what, who is be persecuted for prosecution by the government. and if they continue to, to deny entry into parliament despite the order judgment of the supreme court,

they will be making things west for themselves. prime minister, moody and his party having to choose the plane politics to push rivals out. the b g p denies this and says the recent court rulings proved is not the one pulling the strains. how many you guys get a little? we all the people of one country under one society, but unfortunately, opposition parties have made this very one identity based on abusing and bullets name us. despite this, we've tried to maintain cordiality and dignity of politics. gandhi's great grandfather was india's 1st prime minister. the 53 year old may be popular, but it hasn't left his victory at the pools. under his leadership, critics said the opposition congress party has been weakened. while out on bail, he managed to merge several parties into one alliance under the acronym india. but

so far it support has been limited. some analysts say gandhi's case has shifted the national conversation, raising questions about the politicize ation of courts, political rivalry, and the state of democracy in india. katia, look this up again for insights story on the . all right, let's bring in, i guess, the rule. joining us from you daddy says, yeah l me is a spokeswoman for the governing b j. p. somebody knock fee is a visiting professor at the gentile school of journalism and communications. and an independent journalist who writes about hate speech and india. and so pre usher, nate a spokeswoman for the opposition indian national congress policy. i will welcome to will if i could start with cha, z as in. do see this cool decision as a game changer for indian politics?

he, he does nothing boxed the prospects off of my hockey, which is b u b a door. i'm glad that the supreme for test to the i'm, this is a testimony to india as robust judiciary. and so by print democracy, the fact of the matter is that the, for the, the, the, the doesn't this by the cost has been kept in the bins. and dollars on the can now going to going to elections. but the question is really good to point this from, i mean, he did, he is not a batch in family bachelor and constituency. and would he up on this from there to being over the inboard to get it up? but he's an empty for all and use the same positive and see. i think that to be the determining factor. let me, let me bring support into the chat. do you show that perspective or do you think that role gundy might make a bigger impact on the chances of the,

the congress or the b j. p. the next elections the good to be on your soul? a grip to be with all women, some uh, with all due respect to my will, the opponents from the b, j. p. i back to dislike i. things all are going to the mix. a lot of the 1st uh to the blockage of the body to the government. so much so that each time the puts the government have the dollar off, some ports and investors of national and bought those. whether it's on price wise or unemployment, or of the autonomy of scam or well that's not the chinese and government. the newly established one goes on a blackboard. some of the ministers come out all guns blazing against him, with no substantial allowances to the question that he means is the reality or the even in this case. and i agree on one thing would solve the me that the supreme court has made a story about it. but the supreme court defend the highest schools in the land has also shown the middle uh to all the of course, uh, particularly the ones that goods it off and you know,

3 quotes. and would you drop off the sentencing appellate the conviction, the fact that the supreme court defended uh, not just the conviction, but also very categorically. oh, sort of the middle to be supported with dropped and said the products that are coming out of there the level said the better of tools. a lot of the lights on this, i believe almost done what has happened. i'm just going to take 10 seconds to explain this to the un, briefly the, the, the union government cannot absorb itself of what's in the house and then went shopping for a case where i would gladly could be convicted for 2 years for the full time in the $162.00, we are the engine pretty little go to history, how the data data or the model be convicted portfolios if he was convicted for then that he would not have been disqualified. so we welcome the supreme court's decision. all right, so can do jump in because while the government we will have to call you because the member should, right, we will have time to try and unpack more. you right, there is something for us to talk about in terms of the actual routing. but before we do that though,

if we can continue this little chat on the political aspect of it, and i want to bring in sub there's a question, here's how about how quickly, how smoothly will he be reinstated back to parliament. is that clear yet? so i think go, it would be very awkward of the page. it me does not. so if the speaker of the bottom does not bring him back to the all, but you know, these days anything is possible because the matter is that you was made to meet the, all those old. so people haven't blamed that was an extraordinarily conviction. diamond. every day the hip speech is made and in the other time there is a m p or the ruling b to b who has been accused of all sexual harassment by women at the leads. you're going to use that done wrong, done before. it is full thing to put something very enough to us and we just said in politics was the conviction in which it all that happened in the last session above and so on. yes, there is a question,

but i think you really get reinstated at the end, right? don't let is my get to put, that is the correct thing to do. because wrong this case is for the window has the, has the and then said that this conviction does not stand this continue role and so on, so forth. so i think you better get reinstated. and then be, i know in a bizarre where his doctor has been in uh by his attempt to such a lot. okay, that's an interesting point. let me, let me take it back to shows the shows. yeah. i know you said earlier, you don't think that the reinstatement over a whole gundy is going to make much impact on the b j. p. but we look at what happened in may elections and caught them the attack up doesn't. don't those elections show that role? gandy can be effective in on see thing the b j p. so that's, that's one the election. although almost 5050 is just exhausted actions updated. so

you bought a very good track record, but coming back to the supreme court, let me tell you why the supreme florida, cindy, i guess the some relief. um let me tell you what does this dish spring bought? vision from the homes on the um, earlier and dropped the knuckles for this line. boston p. uh, he talked about the private as to being a b, and he said the supreme court has been saying that and see what's left with a contempt. the 4th, notice you have to the southern, the g on the magnitude of fitness, the d, again, he was dropped on the that goes and different funded by the supreme court. yes, the, this is given to believe that this lot of time showing that there is no police been in the way it democracy is practice and yeah, also about the pin. so. 8 is the clothing the as a base you need the same thing to say. i hope you're for me. uh the time you know

the both sides because what the present one point of view. well, i'm trying to give each think i'm the advantage of it, but i always find here that it will be an opportunity to, to speak, go, go ahead and finish the full. yeah. the each other. so i think so, you know, it's a very simple thing because then you have to have the time, how long does it? let's start menu focus rather than on personalities. let's focus on the subject we discussing. all right, so go ahead of time and perspective, please use the title and go ahead and give us your channel subject. so, you know, if you look at yahoo is on the, may not have been show with the he's, he's there to give competition. do more the more private a symbol deal was going back for the 2nd time and a resounding majority and be a show for bed and boys in 2024 evictions. it's not really clear with the lives

that are part of the is actually going to i'm sure that the prince as the leader. all the lines. okay. oh, because there are many of the video that we just been sending for the be a lot of the be in position. so i think it might not be that easy. but i've been, i've is good luck to the the. all right, let me bring in. uh, so pray i'm sure she has something to say about this does do support is at the beach. if you have a point when they characterize roll down the as a print, someone who's lost touch with people as the b j b says there's no place in democracy for domestic politics. what do you say to that? so free a bishop you should be the law office. ok. but domestic politics on the bill shall be the last people are making. the liars was the prime minister a month back like this just and said, i am, you know, it's me, what does everybody else and then you have to stick to ground to lie,

as opposed to good father use 24 of them. have the don't members of parliament 7 have one and 2 have only 2 that are not in fault to you in that school. this one that comes from the northeastern part of this country where money for has been in the throat of buyers and not a key for the last 3 months of the prime minister of the country spoke for the full time on monday, for up to 70. it's, they've been a very, very virtually very disturbing video in much from beth with women hoping for age of nick. and then, you know, there was an entire crowd of people and then that was subsequently, they've so little said about what the prime minister's children should not speak about. but all of with all due respect to shots the i think it's unfair to for, to feel the found in the future. let me jump to the right you minutes. okay. yeah, let me jump. i see the points please cannot come. i don't like jump into for you and put the question this way, the despite of everything that you've said, you cruise isn't of the government yet. the government has keeps winning elections basically under

a whole ganley's history suggests he's presided over crushing electro. the fates in 20142019. is he the mind to fix the challenges? but the congress policy faces, you know, i think the spot, these challenges, the challenges that india faces, of phenomena the challenges the in the office is a very big the fact that one states of india has been bonding for the last 3 months now. and the government has done precious little stop that is the challenge in the face of injustice, electronic a fuel to unemployment. she would go many quantity high prices to level that ended up being sort of the fees occasion, which is, which is absolutely brands. and then it breaks the back of the club on the floor of the mist to pay the taxes to the, to the 64 percent, the taxes being selected. but that's a bar. i just want to say one very important. please don't be led to buy this leg

by headlines. yes, the government did when the fund people think that the 2019 and actually the part the just the one that they had the questions to be just me matos and then they would defeat the not to go when the still more the himself on the ticket he said the board just for me and just be part of his phone, the just of him and book the not to get any watching for these. the reality is, all right, we have a portion of people who come together with an ideology to preserve and save our constitution. i'm bet i didn't. okay. can serious plus you do find the point, but as people suckle. all right, let me bring silva in talking about the coalition. the idea of a grand alliance of all position policies sub will it now do you think gain more fraction off the this court verdicts will role gang the be able to further galvanized this opposition alliance. so this opposition alliance is being guides. the nice not just the vision, but the goal is bobby, but by region of buttons because bobby's face today in the depth is the exist

century. prices are really why coordination in the politics is important because i cover the pgp for a long time. i'm. i'm getting the book on them. so they've got to stage, they've lost the alliance boxes. the job to states which give lots fictional been, be, do the follow the law, the traditional allies, buckner, the mazda dog, to be broken on the bodies all. what is happening in testament agency that you and be the reading of it, but there is no guarantee of the end of the book. ready the board is also going, but the break could be fractions. so there's a very complicated thing that's happened. so the be to be, know that there is a numerical chart for coming it to be in. do it's not, uh, it would be a big, big part of the body does drawn around the personality over. i'm going to send that in the movie. there is no doubt about that. it wouldn't be a mistake in my,

you to project the boxes that are going to come as being the one of the trees. it is going to be about alliances. and yes, all are gone via the i did a lot of elements do it in the box, you know, because you've been on the order and get jersey and all he has, he won't be talking to the beach in the also the specific be because he lived in the last session apartment, he's specifically with just shows about the adobe standard, which was which in one of the brand new, stood with an introduction to the board. and the grandmother did not get injured or response. suddenly we had the verdict saying that he had the, the same, the someone on the job board. so no, the, it's the most news and cnn, the books in multiple language. it doesn't happen any in the woods. so it's not can usually be up to one person. all right, so i guess about the very strong part. these are on the side of the alliance that

has been put together and the congress is the last significant body there on the ball. this is growing. ok, some of these products, let me jump in, but i know it's a pretty i know you want to jump into, but let's give chassis a a chance 1st and i'll promise, i'll come back to you in a minute. so for you basically, chassis a boiling down some of the sentiments we've heard from cyber that there is a concern, is the last about the state of democracy. there is a concern about the state and condition of the judiciary. is the implication you guys wanted to get into this uh the wrong? so let me bring it up. now the implication of the latest routing by the supreme court is, is there an implication that the lower courts and the good you're right, high cold weather bgp holds a lot of power, of course, on politicized a spell of the size that would not be any of the least the done,

and it's due monday had to get the frame cool. when you see the no, i think i think the problem is that the part of your package, which insinuates that it doesn't seem to be an inside of the movie even with you saw a name was fused. yes. it all it on the was talking but movie, but movie is a backward got smooth. these are also at the back would cost, and the person will find the complaint belongs to a back put cost and then don't put it on the use. the name is that what movies a piece of it was taken at a rate sheet for some reason, or even the outrage from the community. it's on the backward community by view. and this is why the decisions bought me. what's the point to the report did not any of the, no doubt, the climate, it's the i just looking for this thing, what i'm seeing. so i don't who's on the has been the seems to freeport,

so i what i'm seeing is that the boss and there's a supreme court, but it's somebody this has been part of the way that it does not. the many jonathan possessions bought the dual human judgement in favor of the fee up on risk. but i don't think any further decide. i don't, they wouldn't like to give the impression, but now the phase because it actually but really so they don't know where to look at the living the industry. but the fact is a do this me is vibrant, robust. i'm fit the question about a line. yes. the be just the lines uh give you a give you a chance to finish it. i'll give you a try to finish the last thing. but how, how would you respond to the suggestion which was raised by august, but definitely mation charges really ever prompt to use sentences and india. right . that is a very rare and happened in this case just to meet the legal necessary definition of what it would take to knock out and member of parliament. how would

you respond to that? are you asking me? yes. okay, i then i see the not just refused to apologize to the member of the backward community, but the son jose and it happened to be a movie, but also did not even fire off or his lawyers will probably not take it seriously. or what do they do have been fired for being so that it's on the product. again, some kind of full support, the appeal mater light and use the situation because they have even been at the new to do this. the process is i'm sure they have lots of a strong because mine's that it used to come through those had. so i was going to be kind of use this opportunity to build some kind of full sympathy for himself. i'm not asking for any got to be i'm the this is the law. so right. i didn't say anything. i gave the sessions thought i would not speak the sessions bullet.

although mindset are the wisdom of the judge cooper noses. no question. the supreme court. okay, let me get you one second. this has yet to continue. the thought you were talking to us. you wanted to come back on the point of the opposition alliances. go ahead. i'll give you 10. 15 seconds to finish your full lab if yes i yes. so the to the bottom is talking about the g, b and the needs for alliance partners. let me say you'll be, should be this extremely well. and this is the 1st time since 1989 that a body has gone back with a, with a big majority in the looks of, uh, a for the cms. i get this 2nd time. and let me tell you that be really honest. what one is enough in terms of the numbers? i would not need the bottom those. i saw the other 2 boxes, but you know, somebody was talking about love doing the strip and it, let me tell you,

but of the key members all. so for this new alliance, that is the need might, i'm going to use the shuttle, somebody disagrees is always on the, on many of the jobs that need me, including that on the issue. in fact, he is the closer to a dunny and it goes to meet him regularly. and the longest days i'm not living, i've been stores at the bottom. okay. all right, so i, the forrest bobby dixon to, to see the, the congress policy. let me give super x, i did promise her an opportunity to get back in. she's been angling. so go ahead. so for you, you know, i'm not trying to make, i make my argument short useful for 5 minutes. 15 seconds. i'm open your degree. that's totally fine. but that's a real hold on the inbox, on all join me from kentucky, not having the chip open during the south to cause me in the north. i'm what did you do this? let's go to the products julie got cut over to the end demo to keep india united.

he met people from all the cost or villages or trots of society, who kept saying, but kind of from the best thing, the kind of the issues that the government wants to go over the react to, to the is the, in the, on the coalition the, we have stitched together stands for indian national developmental includes the ally of the prime minister selling his m fees to actually call is due to somehow mispronounced the, come on the overton of quote, unquote, in the means. in english just means anybody jump on probable. i mean, the prime minister was talking about india in reference to the indian, which i have been that federal, the nice visual east india company, which is a symbol of slavery. what so happens to the prime minister? is he so russell? the diesel, baffled is he so scared running total schedule, which is why he's doing this because nobody in the light miles would speak about the mother lives of the nation that the call everyone about india. the way the prime minister speaking is absolutely shameful. to be sure to spring from doing dr

. speaking of the new to the platform, and i understand probably both sides with the other side dispatching and on the page. just make note, could we focus on the issue here now? is there a big issue about the state of democracy? one gets a quote, the sweden based v. them institute and it's democracy report 2023. it says india is one of the worst alter cross sizes in the last 10 years. hi dusty, this is so with how is the 2 shows all being on the mileage there is no denying that. but the investigative agencies like an enforcement director with all the c b, i can pull some directions up think it will go up full force who's supposed to move . he has come to baldwin and guess, well, 95 percent of those cases i guess in the position of people who decide to switch st . brent done to the b j. b c. the case, the way i'm there never investigated the never culture, they never put behind bob. but the rest of the opposition has been, and i, uh,

you're looking for the condition up in the media to the end with all due respect to my friends and media. because i, i used to previously walk as a joint this just like the, you know, by appointments from the beach, happy to look at the media, the media, and i'll follow speedo state anymore. if you, if you want to investigate to story johnson the maybe by the does do so, i think the, the laws of democracy like the media are like independent distribution delivered to the st. the demo. because the, like i'm the you, you made the point to on the lines that i want to give somewhere a chance. and if there's a chance off to that, a brief minute to shalysea but so, but go ahead on the point of what's happening to democracy. it's not only the sweden base of the demons seduce the free the 2022 says the prime minister is presiding over persecution of minorities, harassments of john list and non government organizations as well as government. critics. did i have a point? oh, do the do is extend. yes. but we also have an election the b, b,

all functioning as an electron democracy in that sense we have today. what is happening is that institutions are being so buttons. i'm there is a very strong, we'll start a business trip to the government. this is done president. it does not happen default if they want the honor of each of you to jean from $98.00 to 2004 who did not have the position being founded in the manner that the coordination regime. and that did not. you did not have the opposition being called in the manner in what is happening, but you know, it is of the, i'm sorry to interrupt you what we've got 30 seconds slash. i know shaqia will be very upset if we don't give her a chance, chance a, a go ahead with your response that in 30 seconds though. thank you so mean i didn't mind the to find a list that i was in. i go and goes into division of division was bottom in the construction. is this going to respond to you is to i'm not in opportunity into the g. i'm not a big any,

any kind of good defend when it came to congress. and every day i sent them different bios, but it just abuse and then you find the prime minister. so i don't know what democracy or lack of it is being talked about, right? yeah. i have the various a all right, i'm really sorry. we are out of time, i know that this discussion can go on for a lot longer. i'm sure they'll be another opportunity for all 4 of us to discuss this though in the future. but for now, let's find con, guess very much. she has the only 7 o'clock fee, and so pray tonight assigned to you to for watching it and see the show again, any time by visiting our website. i'll just here a dot com for further discussion head over to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com. forward slash ha, inside story can also join the conversation on twitter handle that, is that a j inside story from me. so i may say that on the entire team here for now is good by the

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