oddities when it comes to iran for almost 200 years, americans have generally been stuck with 2 political choices, but cannot ever change because it comes with us politics. the bottom line, indian opposition laid out a whole gun, the set to return to politics. the supreme court suspends is defamation conviction . how much of a child who starts the governing p k p? what does it mean? this is democracy based is inside story, the hello welcome to the show. i'm sam is a, then it's a case some say as an example of political persecution. india is opposition lee, that a whole gandhi was sentenced to jail off the being convicted of defining crime and

us, and that under body in march. well, now the supreme court has suspended the conviction that could paved the way for the congress bought the chief to make a political come back. but this case is prompting questions about induced do digital system and the state of its democracy. so how will this affect the chances of the government and the opposition in next, these elections? we'll get into that with, i guess in a moment. but 1st, this report from the catalog has already on he is one of india as well known political figures. and now opposition leader ra who gandhi's case is perhaps the most controversial. a high court has suspended his conviction for defamation. after he stated, all thieves have moody as their last name. many saw that as an insult, against prime minister there rendered moody with the defamation case. now thrown out both allies and valuables of india's congress party leader are waiting on what he'll do next on such a key due to the truth winds. but whatever happens,

my policy is clear, i have clarity in my mind about what i have to do and what my work is all about. i think the people who helped us for they loved and simple. the 2 year jail sentence in march automatically led to gundy suspension from parliament one now he might be able to retake his seat and even run against modi's party and next year's national elections. his picture has gone up and he's been seen as somebody who's been single dog, what, who is be persecuted for prosecution by the government. and if they continue to, to deny entry into the bottom. and despite the order judgment of the supreme court, they will be making things west for themselves. prime minister, moody, and his party has been accused of playing politics to push rivals out. the b. jp denies this and says the recent court rulings proves is not the one pulling the

strains. how many you guys get a little? we all the people of one country under one society. but unfortunately, opposition parties have made this very one identity based on abusing and bullets name us. despite this, we've tried to maintain cordiality and dignity of politics. gandhi's great grandfather was india's 1st prime minister. the 53 year old may be popular, but it hasn't. lets a victory at the post. under his leadership, critics said the opposition congress party has been weakened while out on bail, he managed to merge several parties into one alliance under the acronym india. but so far it support has been limited. some analysts say gandhi's case has shifted the national conversation, raising questions about the politicize ation of courts, political rivalry, and the state of democracy in india. katia,

look this up again for insights. story on the all right, let's bring in, i guess, the rule. joining us from you daddy chelsea a l me is a spokeswoman for the governing b. j. p. somebody knock fee is a visiting professor at the gentile school of journalism and communications and an independent journalist who writes about hate speech and india. and so pre usher nights a spokeswoman for the opposition indian national congress policy. i will welcome to will if i could start with cha, z as in. do see this cool decision as a game changer for indian politics? no he no, he does nothing boxed the prospects of my body, which is b u b a door. i'm glad that the supreme for tested in this to many different deals, robust judiciary and so vibrant democracy. the fact of the matter is that little

thought. so the, the, this in this, by the low cost has been kept in the bins and dollars on the can now go onto content elections. but the question is really good to point this from, i mean, he did, he wasn't sufficient. 5 batch in family that shouldn't cost it wednesday, and would he put this on there to being over there in board to get it up. but he's an empty for all and choose the same positive. and i think that to be the determining factor. let me, let me bring the slippery into the chat. do you show that perspective or do you think that role gundy might make a bigger impact on the chances of either the congress or the b. j. p. the next elections? the solar eclipse will be with the women's on uh, with all due respect to my will. the opponents from the b, j. p. i back to dislike i. things all are going to the mix. a lot of the 1st to the part the just the party to the government so much so that each time the puts the

government of the dollar off, some fortune and west of the national and bought those. whether it's on price rise or unemployment for the autonomy of scam or well that's my to the chinese government, the newly established $1.00 goes on a blackboard. some of the ministers come out all guns blazing against him, with no substantial allowances to the question that he means is the reality or the even in this case. and i agree on one thing would solve the me that the supreme court has made a historic body. but the supreme court defend the india of higher schools in the land has also shown the middle uh to all the of course, uh, particularly the ones that goods it off and you know, 3 quotes and would you drop off the sentencing? a pedestal conviction, the fact that the supreme court depended on not just the conviction, but also very categorically. oh, sort of the middle to be supported with drop in said the products that are coming out of there the level said the better of tools. a lot of lights on this, i believe almost done what has happened. i'm just going to take 10 seconds to

explain this of the un briefly, the, the, the union government cannot absorb itself of what's in the house and then went shopping for a case. we're wrong god, the could be convicted for 2 years. for the full time in the $162.00, we are the in the quarter history had a kind of data automatically convicted portfolios. if you was convicted then that you would not have been disqualified, still be welcome to supreme court's decision. all right, so can do jump in because we only got we will have to call you because the member should, right? we will have time to try and unpack more. you right there is something for us to talk about in terms of the actual routing. but before we do that though, if we can continue this little chat on the political aspect of it. and i want to bring in salva there's a question, here's how about how quickly, how smoothly will he be reinstated back to parliament. is that clear yet? so i think go, it would be very old. what is the b, j b does not to the speaker of the bottom and does not bring him back to the all.

but you know, these days anything is possible because the matter is that you was made to meet the of those old so pier hasn't blamed that has an extraordinarily conviction diamond every day that his speech is made. and in the other time, there is a m p or the ruling b to b who has been accused of all sexual harassment by women at the leads you're going to use that done wrong done before. it is full thing. so it was something very enough to us and we just said the duke was suddenly go to conviction and put it all that happened in the last station on the bottom of it. so yes, there is a question, but i think he really get reinstated at the end. right now that is my get to put, that is the correct thing to do. because right, in this case this for the window has the, has the and then said that this conviction does not stand, does continue roll and so on, so forth. so i think you better get,

get reinstated. and then be, i know in a bizarre where his doctor has been and by his attempt to set him up. okay, that's an interesting point. let me, let me take you back to shows the shows. yeah, i know you said earlier, you don't think that the reinstatement over a whole gundy is going to make much impact on the b j. p. but we look at what happened in may elections and caught them the attack up. doesn't, don't those elections show that role gandy can be effective in on see thing the b j . p on this one, the election, although almost 50. that is just those directions updated. so you bought a very good track record, but coming back up the print board, let me tell you why the supreme court defend. yeah, this is the some relief. um let me tell you what does this dish spring bought from this uh hold on the um, earlier and dropped the code for this line. boston he,

uh, he talked about the private as the piece and he said the supreme court has been saying that and see what the hell do you have to the southern, the g on the back to the d. again, he was on the that goes and different funded by the supreme court. yes. the, this is given to believe that this part of time showing that there is some police been in the way it democracy is practice and yeah, also about the pin. so. 8 is the closing, the as a base you need the same thing to say. i hope you're hardly looked at the time, you know both sides because what the present one point of view. well, i'm trying to give each think i'm the advantage of it, but i always find good. it would be an opportunity to, to speak, go, go ahead and finish the full. yeah. the so i think so, you know, it's a very simple thing because then you have to have blood time. how long does it?

let's start. menu focus rather than on personalities. let's focus on the subject we discussing. all right, so go ahead of time and perspective, please use the time to just go ahead and give us your whole channel subject. so, you know, if you look at who's on the, may not have been show over the he's, he's there to give the competition. do more, the more parameters symbol deals going back for the 2nd time and every sounding majority and be a show to bed and boys in 2024 election. it's not a big deal with the lives that are part of the oh is actually going to show that the prince as the leader of the lines. okay. so because there are many of the video that he does contending for the pm lot of the positions. so i think it might not be that easy, but i just would like to know about the color, right?

let me bring in. so pre, i'm sure she has something to say about this. does do support is of the b j p. you have a point when they characterize roll down the as a print, someone who's lost touch with people as the b j b says there's no place in democracy, full domestic politics. what do you say to that? so pretty the job you should be the law walker talking about domestic politics on bishop, the, the last people are making the liars was the prime minister a month back baptist. justin said, i am, you know, it's me, was everybody else. and then you have to stick a grand alliance. look for the father. use 24 of them. have the don't members of parliament 7 have one and 2 have only 2 that are not in fault to use in that school . isn't that come from the northeastern part? of this country when money for has been in the throat of buyers and not a key for the last 3 months of the prime minister of the country spoke for the 1st

time on monday for up to 70 it's, they've been a very, very, virtually very disturbing video and much from best with women hoping for age of nick and then you know, there was an entire lot of the people and then that was subsequently you gave. so the less the prime minister's children should not speak about the federal with all due respect to shots the, i think it's unfair to for, to feel the found the ones of each other. let me jump in the arguments. okay. yeah, let me jump. i see the points please cannot come. i can like jump into for you and put the question this way. the despite of everything that you've said, you cruise isn't of the government yet. the government has keeps winning elections basically under a whole ganley's history suggests he's presided over crushing electrical defeats in 20142019. is he the mind to fix the challenges? but the congress policy faces, you know, i think the spot, these challenges, but challenges, that's the basis of phenomena of the challenges. but india,

this is a very big the fact that one states of india has been bonding for the last 3 months now. and the government has done precious little stop that is the challenge in the face of in depth is electronic, a fuel to unemployment. she would go many quantity high prices to level than in driving sort of the fees occasion, which is, which is absolutely brands. and then it breaks the back of the club on the floor of the midst of pay taxes to the tune up. 64 percent depend on the taxes being selected. but that's a bar. i just want to say one very important. please don't be led to by misled by headlines. yes. the government did when the front people think that the 2019 and actually the part the just the one of the questions to be just me matos and then that would defeat the not to go when the so more be himself with himself on the ticket. he's the just for me and just be part of his phone, the just of him and booked a lot of that and he watching for these. the reality is,

all right, we have a portion of people who come together with an ideology to preserve and save our constitution. i'm bet i didn't. okay. can serious suppose you to find the point, but as people suckle. all right, let me bring saba in talking about the coalition, the idea of a grand alliance of all position policies sub will it now do you think, gain more fraction off the this court verdicts will role gotten the be able to further galvanized this opposition alliance. so this opposition, the lines of the guys the night is not just the vision, but the goal is bobby, but the region of buttons because bobby's face today in the depth is essentially prices are really why correlation the politics is important because i covered the pgp for a long time i'm, i'm getting the book on them. so they've gone to steve's, they've lost the alliance. that's not your job to states which give lots fictional been be do the bottom of the big law,

the traditional allies buckland in my gosh. so i didn't know how to been broken other, but these all what has not been is enforcement agency that you and it'd be the end of it, but there is no guarantee of the end. the board is also going, but the brake could be fractions. so this is a complicated thing, the problem. so the b to b know that there is a numerical chart for coming it to be in. do it's not, uh, it would be a big, big part of the body that's drawn around the personality over. i'm going to send that in the movie. there is no doubt about that. it would be a mistake in my, you to project the boxes that are going to come as being the one of the trees. it is going to be about alliances. and yes, all are gone via the i did a lot of elements do it in the boss deal because you've been to on the orange journey and all he has, he won't be talking to the beach in the also the specific be because he lived in

the last session apartment, he specifically raised issues about the adobe standard, which was which in one of the brand new stood with an introduction to the board. and the grandmother did not get injured this. paul. suddenly we had the verdict thing that he had the same, the someone, all the drug port. so no the, it's the, the monthly fee and then the books in multiple language. it doesn't happen any in the woods. so it's getting non can usually be up to one person. all right, the very strong part, these are on the side of the alliance that has been put together. and the congress is the law significant body. they're on the ball. this is growing. okay. somebody tried to let me jump in, but i know it's a pre, i know you want to jump into, but let's give chassis a a chance 1st and i'll promise, i'll come back to you in a minute. so for you basically, shots, the

a boiling down some of the sentiments we heard from cyber that there is a concern, is the last about the state of democracy. there is a concern about the state and condition of the judiciary. is the implication you guys wanted to get into this earlier on? so let me bring it up. now the implication of the latest routing by the supreme court is, is there an implication that the lower courts and the good you, right? high, cold weather bgp holds a lot of power, of course, politicized a spell of de decide they would not be released or rather done. and if they lost and you had to get the freedom call level, you see the, the no, i think i think the problem is that the part of your package, which is the new it's that it just seemed to be an inside of the movie, even with you saw a name was fused? yes. and i was on the last talking but movie, but movie is a backward scott movie that also at the back would cost. and the person will find

the complaint belongs to a back put cost, and then don't put it on the use. the name is ed ordering movies. uh, pete's it was taken as an umbrella getting some reason out, even more outrage from the community, from the backward community by view. and this is why the, the sessions bought me what the pointed out, the sort of pull did not end the side of the no doubt, the prime minister, the guy i just looking for this thing, what i'm seeing. so i don't who's on the has been to the pharmacy to the face, the freeport. so i, what i'm seeing is that the cost and there is a supreme court, but it's somebody, this is an important claim and it does not. the many jonathan possessions thought the dual human judgement in favor of be off on risk. but i don't change an issue for the decide i don't, they would like to give the impression,

but now the thing is because it actually, but really, so they don't know where to look in the living, the judiciary. but the fact that due to me is vibrant robust. i'm sick of a question about a line. yes. b, b, the lines uh give you a give you a chance to finish it. i'll give you a try to finish the last thing. but how, how would you respond to the suggestion which was raised by, i guess, but definitely mation charges rarely ever prompt to use sentences in india. right. that is a very rare and happened in this case just to meet the legal necessary definition of what it would take to knock out a member of parliament. how would you respond to that? are you asking me? yes. okay, i then i see the not just the fuse do apologize to the member of the backward community, but the son jose and it happened to be movie,

but also did not given fire off or his lawyers will probably not take it seriously . or what do they do have been fired or been so that it's on the also that again, some kind of full support to appeal martin i and use the situation because they have even been at the new to do this is the process. this is, i'm sure they have lots of strongly good mines, then it used to come through those had so the kind of use this opportunity to build some kind of full sympathy for themselves. i'm not asking for any, gotta be and this is the law. so i didn't say anything i gave assessment support. i would not speak the patients bullet. although mindset are, are the wisdom of the judge cooper. now, is this no question the supreme court. okay, let me get you contact on this as yet to continue the full you were talking to us. you wanted to come back on the point of the opposition alliances. go ahead. i'll give you 10. 15 seconds to finish your full lab if yes i yes. so the 2 other to

find a list of talking about b, g, b and the needs for a life. but those, let me say you'll be, should be bid extremely well. and this is the 1st time since 1989 that a body has gone back with a, with a big majority in the looks of, uh, a for the consecutive the 2nd time. and let me tell you that be really honest. one is enough in terms of just numbers. i would not need the boxes. i saw the other 2 boxes, but you know, somebody was talking about love to the strip and let me tell you, but of the key members all. so for this new alliance, that is the meat, right? i'm going to use the shuttle, the disagrees of the, in many of the jobs that need me, including that on the issue. in fact, he is the closer to a dunny and it goes to meet him regularly and the phone listed. i'm not the man.

i've been store the dollars. oh, okay. all right, so i, the forrest bobby dixon to, to see the, the congress policy. let me give subjects, i did promise her an opportunity to get back in. she's been angling. so go ahead. so for you, you know, i'm not trying to make, i make my argument short useful for 5 minutes. 15 seconds. i'm open your degree. that's totally fine. but that's a real hold on the inbox, on all join me from connecticut, not having the tip open during the south to go smooth in the north. i'm what did you do this? let's go to the products julie got cut over to the end demo to keep india united. he met people from all the cost or villages or trots of society, who kept saying, but kind of from the best thing, the kind of issues that the government wants to go over the react to, to the is the, in the, on the coalition the, we have stitched together stands for indian national developmental inclusive elias,

the prime minister to send him his m fees to actually call is due to somehow mispronounced the coming deal, which is uh, quote unquote, in the means in english. which means anybody jumped on probable, i mean, the prime minister was talking about india in reference to the indian, which i had been upset, our organizational east india company, which is a symbol of liberty. what so happens to the prime minister? is he so russell? the diesel, baffled as he, sol, scan running codes or schedule, which is why he is doing this because nobody in the right mind would speak about the mother lives of the nation that the call everyone about studio. the way the prime minister speaking is absolutely shameful to be sure to spring from doing dr. speaking of the new to the platform and the understand probably both sides with the other side dispatching, you know, under pages like, no, can we focus on the issue here now? is there a big issue about the state of democracy? one gets a quote, the sweden based v. them institute and it's democracy report 2023. it says india is

one of the worst alt across sizes in the last 10 years. hi dusty, this is so with how is the 2 shows all being on the mileage there is no denying that. but the investigative agencies like that in and postman directors or the c b . i can pull some directions up think it will go up. full force was supposed to move, he has come to baldwin and guess, well, 95 percent of those cases, i guess in the law position, people who decided to switch ship and done with the b j b c. the case is that the way i'm there never investigated, they never thought to it. they never put behind bob. but the rest of the opposition has been, and i, you're looking for the condition of the media to the end with all due respect to my friends and media. because i, i used to previously walk as a joint. this just like the, you know, by appointments from the beach, if you did look at the media, the media cannot follow speedo state anymore if you, if you. okay. one investigative story, johnson roberts, i guess maybe by the does do. so i think the, the laws of democracy like the media,

all i can defend just a few or so let the traditionally pick them up because the, like i'm the you, you made the point to on the lines that i want to give somewhere a chance. and if there's a chance off to that, a brief minute to shantia, but so, but go ahead on the point of what's happening to democracy. it's not only the sweden based beat them is that you really freedom? how the 2022 says the prime minister is presiding over persecution of minorities, harassments of john list and non government organizations as well as government. critics, did i have a point? oh do the do is extend. yes. but we also have an election the b, b, a functioning as an elective democracy in that sense we have today. what is happening is that institutions are being so buttons i'm there is a very, very strong push. but did critics of the government, this is done president, it does not happen before. if there was the honor of each of you to jean from $98.00 to 2004 who did not have the position being held in the manner that the

coordination regime. and that did not. you did not have the opposition being hounded in the manner in what is happening, but no, it is all, but i'm sorry to interrupt you what we've got 30 seconds slash. i know shaqia will be very upset if we don't give her a chance, chance a, a go ahead with your response that in 30 seconds though. thank you so mean i didn't mind the to find a list that i was in. i go, goes into division of division was bottom in the construction is, is this going to respond to you is through i'm not in opportunity into the g. i'm but not a big any, any kind of defend when it came to congress. and every day i sent them different bios, but it just abuse and did you find the prime minister? so i don't know what democracy or lack of it is being talked about, right? yeah. i have the various a all right, i'm really sorry. we are out of time, i know that this discussion can go on for

a lot longer. i'm sure they'll be another opportunity for all 4 of us to discuss this though in the future. but for now, let's find con guest very much. she has the early 7 o'clock fee, and so pray tonight and assigned to you to for watching it and see the show again, any time by visiting our website. i'll just share a dot com for further discussion head over to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story. can also join the conversation on twitter handle that is that a j inside story from me? so i may say that on the entire team here for now is good by the the,

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