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generations will do it as well via the story on told to how does era 1st he was removed from office now and one kid is in prison. the former focused on the leader has been convicted of corruption and barred from elections for 5 years. so is this the end of him on cons, political career? and what's behind his downfall? this is inside store the welcome to the program. i'm cyril veney, 8. he was once pakistan's, most powerful politician, but iran con, the country's former prime minister is now in prison. his supporters, a political persecution fuel his arrest reactions are mixed particularly in light of his contentious legal battles. the arrest comes the head of elections,

which some fear could lead to social unrest. so will this end in one cons political career and will it further deepening divisions among pakistan's political parties? we'll discuss with our guests after this report by country lopez holder. yeah. pakistan's, former prime minister in bronc con, knew his arrest was imminent before being detained and sentenced to 3 years in prison. he recorded a message urging his supporters to hold peaceful protests. a good offer who can easily cut it off. if you do not stand up for your rights, you live like slaves, slaves have no lives of their own or who slave, so like, and so on. the ground demonstrations followed with con supporters calling his arrest warranted. so just give this up, which i think is the rest is part of a conspiracy. people will hopeful when we're on the con was prime minister. now

that he's no longer in office, people are worried that this new government, the inflation rate to doubled the 70 year old cricket to your turn politician is accused of certainly state gives. he received his prime minister for his own profit from high end watches to jewellery, worth nearly half a $1000000.00. concepts the allegations are politically motivated and led by the military, who he's openly criticized in the past. you get on to have a system where the, the prime minister has the responsibility. but he does not have the authority to implement his policies because that authorities shared with them energy in the military has repeatedly denied any wrong doing and says it's not trying to stop him from running for office in november. some members of arrival party, say, cons actions have that fired by the judges. the one who is based position to make

a decision. but mr. han should have shown some resilience in politics. he started picking fights with people. the minutes he came to power, trying to coordinate people and making enemies. you should have shown some flexibility. it's the 2nd time this, your con, has been arrested. he was detained in may, in a separate case that sparked widespread on rest. his supporters came out and the 10s of thousands, but now it's unclear of this conviction will end the political career open of the most famous men in pakistan's. katia little, this will be in for insight story. the . all right, let's bring in our guess, they're all joining us from pakistan, sundown. our goals are con, joint secretary of the opposition party, joins us now. that's a mon cons party to be clear. practiced on to rick and stuff. time worked out for you are with the pakistan people's party,

you would administer for forrest and wildlife and send the province. also joining us is as the machine of founding director of verse. so, consulting firm, know you had a policy analysis there, specifically on conflict for june, the and violence. welcome everybody to the show. a shutdown and goals are kind. if i can start with you, have you received or has your party received any information from him or on? caught himself in the last 24 hours since he's been jailed. so yes, his lawyers went to a went to see him today in the optic j where he's being kept. but unfortunately his lawyers worked under way without them being able to secure the power of attorney from him. so probably try again tomorrow, but this is just a long uh, another incident in the long list of uh, persecution of which honda, uh, that is taking place against the ground on every president. and box don, according to the constitution, has the right to have him. doyle and access to the due process, its no not allowing him to meet his noise and be able to sign that power of

attorney just tells you what this is all about. what's his legal team going to do? i understand they are appealing. am i right? absolutely. they are going to be, this is a facebook judgement. sorry. go ahead. no, i was just wondering what was the legal pos for them and for him, ron con. and it's funny because you know how you have this done. can go to court when we bought our own. so i'm, that's called a facebook court. at the trial judge in this particular file for form or prime in a separate part. as i said, the real primitive stand bronson. he pulled up rather juvenile posts on facebook, making caricatures of fi normally. that's fine. we don't have a right. you'll have, i'll put a different opinion, but not when you're the judge presiding over in brown fonts case, many scandals took place. the judge tried to delete his account if i to delete those pictures even now if you'd like to facebook within 90 days and still have

access to our records of full force, what we all have, snapshots of that. so you can imagine how that particular dispute started then in a case like this, a sham in which one is accused of selling is the one property uniquely acquired judy paid taxes intruded and the kid is not allowed to present witnesses in that particular case. so what do we do? conbal was to the, it's not about high court and he puts in the revision application. that's why said that he's been singled out and focused on for not being able to present witnesses in his defense and the case in which he has been charged by the state. then the sub on high court gives a week for a week to, to allow him to process this entire application. and all of a sudden the same is found on high for decides in order to try port to finish the heading within a day. which means he has no witnesses, no defense, and they can announce his spanish went down to rest. so everything at this point is

impudent. this case will lots time delay to stay at any high fault and focused on, on the supreme court, provide economy, there's noise and he gets to sign his power of attorney. okay. and it is certainly the case that many lawyers, including in pakistan that have been interviewed by pocket study media have said that there, there are many issues in this case about due process and weather iran con, receive for due process. in this case, that's the, the case that there wasn't any due process and we had to yet of course, and we understand that that's your point of view. the substance of this case is another matter we can talk about that later if you'd like. but i'd like to get bring in time worked out for, as i said, governing a member of the governing part to your administer and send province. how do you feel about him are on con, being jailed and look, this is not a nice question. i understand he's a political arrival, i understand there's no love lost there. he is. however, the most popular politician in the country,

and i wonder how you reflect on that now that he's in jail as far as the puppy, like you're talking about as much the doctor right now, because i said as well, he's one, he's one most of the elections he ran and recently is a very easy it is not working anymore because he's come out to be as of minus who was bringing him some back to the chair of the prime minister on the cost of the country. so we have never seen in the history of bucksta and some of them compromise on the principles of the country on the economy of your country. he did all he took to hurt the country and is it going to be under people, george? but he wasn't, that is a very, very effective now, because you know me, mr. car has to be that a student since he's being at us. and then it mean no protest anywhere, nor piece report best nor piece for rodney's. and that makes it way through that he's not very popular anymore. and you should also keep in mind that the person offers members of parliament is former federal ministers is going to administer

have on the left him and deserted him. and they made a new part to you, so much silent. so you were not going in popular, i believe. as far as is a conviction, this is concerned. we all know a very when how got up to you was we have proof of all of the kind of these done. i'm a nor politician in focused on add to did has a better for them into that need you to be do use of corruption which mr. han and i want to lease that into what we're going to be sending to do. we have the proof that and always taking his course of course as a bucket started, he has the right to defend himself. he has the best lawyer has been down working for him. so i'm sure there is no way you can think of something and just bring you on with them. of course he is, the person who said even for everyone behind bodily needed put up incidence, that running behind boxed is a system for the on god per se, but behind bonds. you know,

i should even ship by save money given that was it wouldn't be on boss. so i think it's a desktop is only poison uses. i get the way right now. yeah, that's a bit of a trend and back us down over the last 1010 plus years just over 10 years. i mean, 3 pakistani leaders have been barred from running for office by the courts. and of course the wrong kind is the latest before that there was the b, b 's use it for other delani and the bmw plans, noel sharif. so it's certainly not something that's just limited to him. ron con, something that does seem to occur pretty frequently in pakistan is the machine by turn to you, mr. top, where was telling us that m on con is no longer popular and that he's isolated your thoughts on that. a nice thing mister toddler is wrong on that subject. i think mister han remains quite popular. as a politician, i think we have to to understand that mister con also was no exception to the wave

of a sunny voters. have reacted to governments before a few years into a, into a government. the a and a sort of incumbency effect sets in and the whole just starts questioning. the performance focused on the democratic continuum is a bit of fragile on struck. we have not had too many democratic transitions in the last uh it since 22008 is so the last 15 years. uh, and we have seen the fbi info and then we have seen the bmw 11 fall and we have seen the bpi and butler must accomplish no exception to the systematic trend with a prime minister doesn't get to complete his dom. i think it is a boss actually plausible, an idea that mr. khan had lost confidence of the people. and mister con, however, the vote of no confidence douglas got it out, was what got it got about it. i believe mister cons popularity back and this is

validated by the research that we do on public opinion surveys or so. at the moment you have a voter in focused on who is young, who is new. this is not the same, focused on there is a high a for the there's a highs uh percentage of urbanized mobilized young voters who absolutely want to have their day at the ballot box. and the demand for an election and buckets on never even higher than it is now at least we can see and be so local because of democratize media. we know that we of the vote as well. so i think we just have to understand that that in one province, the province of sound on as strong. mr. con probably retains a lot of popularity in the punjab robins, which is the province which mr. collins party has govern for a short period of time. there were issues and, and,

and that's where his popularity has taken a little bit of a hit. however, he does remain very popular, but popularity doesn't necessarily translate into constituencies at the ballot box . and mr. han loan back in 2013 in the election. so well, hold on a point of correction there in the last, what has it been 12 months ever since he was ousted from offices, prime minister, his party has won the vast majority of the elections that they ran in. yes, the and, and i think that is the what his popularity does translate into the ballot box as far as he's concerned. that's my point. and i think that that if he is not on the ballot books and the political body doesn't, isn't allowed to run, isn't allowed to contest in a free and fair election environment, then there is no guarantee that your vote, mister collins, the supporters will be able to go stifled,

that is the point that i am make and 2013 on pause, also very popular. however, his message, disney resonate at that time. so the sunny vote or is it the sony border who also wants accountability? and if mr. com is popular right now. it's because the bucks on the border is sending a message saying, we bought an election, we want a democratic continuum and we want our politicians to start working with each other to descend down. it goes are con. what's the strategy for the p t i? now, from what i understand there was already a plan in place and to have a committee essentially, to rule by committee. after mister con would be arrested because this is something that he saw coming. what's the place for you now? uh so um, but uh btr, the bike, synthetic and stuff, engine light this on me. i the only 2 parties or at least that are a significant, have

a significant amount of fund was in voters that are non domestic bodies. the rest all of that and grandfather, the grandmother's, son, son in law, sister, uncle in boy cetera, et cetera. these are not democratic even bodies, nor is there any demo democracy and focused on right now is just a bunch of families. and they want to continue to as soon as they are unfortunately focused on. so in our case, there is a, a sequential a hi, i can plan and that is working on fox. that's set up. we're working with ensuring that time is going to get to just as he deserves. having said that was the thing that we missed. you might be something with a, with a lot of interest. and i will say one thing though, con diggity, when pretty much all the by elections, even though the entire government machinery and they've all the fighters put in. yeah, that comes with it. you know, the guns palm, all the stuff has been forced against him. he was nearly a knock natalie. i mean, they were 5 assassination attempts on him to this point in time,

were witness to some of them. they have been more than 200 cases in which he has been indicted. and the entire reason that is happening is because of his unprecedented popularity, the mistake that was made by the cdm, the score this coordination of these people who used to hate each other about 18 months when will drag it to a show that the court and now that all the strengthens. the problem here is the following, not the had an election impact starting in may 22 a 2 months after they removed con, they might've been as john's for a government for the mandate. and they couldn't perform what has happened and focused on last of the 16 months. is that where on the verge of bankruptcy show, we haven't defaulted yet, but the people have defaulted. people don't have food to eat where going? so a 50, you're on press dented stagflation. as well as in station that is getting the regular jump. so it hardly matters that the 5 percent in fall was things that things are fine. and hunky dory, it is that very popularity at the ballot box that has some scrambling for color. i

mean, for god's sake, they found the critic somewhere they paid him and he, they got him to say that he's living and send with this very much my advice. so it is a case of desperation. the slightest mistake x 5 is edited and josh montu, whatever that may be, constance to date, as a beacon of hope for regular packet studies, and not just the mind on the street. the man who has them all by for the stance on talk with different see able with the women with the elderly even with the times. i'm for well, fox, that and why does even with that simply because jordan called it and i'm finished. you focused on came out as one of the top 3 economies and we talked out on has, has, with numerous mistakes sort of been made. but the mind is genuine to a cause and that causes blackest on, on as being equal. it's all being done. and so we're trying to and i'm giving examples a brief one. i'm one of the very, very briefly because they're not the, i just feel sort of question. sure. if i could just finish that 11 of those people

who is in trouble for not taking a bribe can named names, i can give you numbers. i am, i have been off a dozen times to leave han and when i refuse to do so, i was charged with sufficient. this is what is happening on the ground unfortunately. so. okay, let me take it over to mr. tell for our 2 other guest. so mentioned the importance and the need for elections, right? the people want to have a voice and people want to go back to the ballot box. now there's a huge question mark, as we speak about the date of the election. i don't want to get into every little bit of detail about this, but it has to do with the census and whether these elections can be held under the terms of the census. that hasn't been completely finished and there's good there's, there's redistricting that needs to happen by the electoral commission which is going to involve constitutional change, etc, etc. several types of steps that will take several months. the bottom line of this is that we don't know when the elections are going to happen. what's your do you know, 1st of all, when elections are likely, um and also do you not think that this is a little bit troubling, that

a popular opposition party has been thrown in jail and just at the same time, a caretaker government is now going to have to be put in place to oversee elections . and the result of that is that on an elected body is going to run the country for an unknown amount of time. even as an opposition figure has been silenced. a mr. business as that is being very clear in very wilkins that's even locked except any days in the coming connections. so uh now that november 8th sends dc. okay. the, the committee of common interest and everything, and they have decided to agree to the newest answer which were not very popular. but because the decision has come. this is a that has been very good. he's a given getting inspection that it has to be the election has to be in the next uh, 90 days max and we were suggesting 60 days, but the conduction says that they need

a minimum of 90 days for the next. and so we are very hopeful that that makes sense, but it'd be on time. and this is what soon as the economy of the country, this is work focused on needs president elections pending elections. and as far as people in the mazda of concerns, it's been a very common we haven't been fighting, it isn't the presence of that in, for collections when he was behind the bus. so didn't show he'd been suitable. go as i bought and still have many other leaders. so if you would fuck, you know, if they believe kind assumed buckner, no one has bought the bucket, stock begins up, it is going to condense, it will have a symbol. and if it still has supporters, we will be very happy to accept the switch them out. but if you haven't heard the b, but we've had a garden, which is in wrong as you do before it is, it is the, the question is people who come out and peacefully protest. but nora should be in nations and no safety in any programs. add any major needs or any support

against others around con, which means that he is now a little honored by himself and very few people like me so not, not, i assume they're standing besides in the top left in does that to them and sort of the kids, as i can judge, i'm in fairness, in fairness, we're recording this 24 to 36 hours after mister con with jail. so i think it might be a little soon to say nobody's out in the streets, protesting in his favor. maybe we just give that a little bit of time before we. we assess whether, you know, he's still got muscle industry. so my question is the p p p. i'm afraid of going head to head with the p t i. in the next selections which you have now said should be happening within the mandated to 90 days. because again and i, and i'm sorry to come back to this point, but the p t. i has one almost all the by elections and provincial election provincial evictions. that it took part in over the last few months. uh, let me,

let me refresh you actually, all the seats that the focused on people, sparky, fucked into by nixon's from kentucky, one of our supporters this started there and the one against iran. yazzy. then again did a fall motor uh, 40 minutes to show them a good issue from punjab. i would like to look at differently and if you did image better, so i'm not sort of going to be a bmw and. and then the drumming practice as body has been using and reading it, gives them but the bucks on people's bugs. even if you go to john's to book, i can't do of you were able to defeat pga and you must also keep in mind that he seems to be high elections in the key, which is the biggest city in fact, as don, where they run. uh now these hydro came from big what it would be focused on people . one of the party was the single largest majority or number one. number 2, we had to my n a b jet was number 3 because and jim was not interesting. so we have a good one man in colorado,

which was very reason and we have seen no new jobs spring up of the dye. in fact, going down to what the garden state taxes are telling us is that a con is no longer a, as pretty much as it used to need. doesn't happen normally. in focused on we have a tentative dis something the public wants to go because it doesn't take us for the start. what does the credit report? i was they go out then in there. i think the only place where the beauty of support is. uh for this thing, isn't that dreams? i guess? okay, as he mentioned that as a political panelist, i suppose you look at this and it's your job to try and decide for okay, what happens next, for the country framer on con and his party and, and just for the political landscape in general, as well, a single, what is important to note is that very literally, that is going on and bucket funds covered in context is unprecedented. and as some things are happening as an amplified scale and most of these things have happened

before a n y and and by the way, with mr. adolfo said was correct. b, b, b, 2 has gained in popularity, b, b, b, and b, d, i for your viewers should know they don't generally conduct them the same areas. they really different provinces. additionally, so both of these parties that you have on the panel today are gaining popularity. the, the political party that's in trouble is really the one, the prime minister. the current prime minister belongs to where h has a pml. and what we will have is it will be protests that will be the audit protest. you have to understand as a lot of protests, but deep as well in a population that is sit under severe economic do residence. and then as a leader to this book, if somebody likes on or for instance, cannot contest a constituency in a free and said election environment. we can say it's a fee inside election. however,

neither was 20182013 was much better. and so we've had each party at some point, compromise on these principles of democracy, and nobody ends up delivering, in the public interest. and which is why the, the, you know, the, that was, and a number of the legislative measures dodge well endorse embossed under the b b. i government that will oppressive undergone on and as such as, for instance, the legislation on, on, uh the what we call the pick up or the prevention of an electronic crimes act. so there's a number of cases where, you know, political body has been a reliable ally in democracy and what needs to happen if the democratic continuum and focus on is to go on. it is that that has to be a limit to the village events. political parties need to recognize that the

opponents, not enemies. and what of mr. cons? mistakes for instance, was not recognizing his political position as a legitimate opposition. only we have in buckets funding the political spectrum is this cross nation with political parties are constantly trying to be legitimize each other. this is a severely old arise design, right? you're making a point actually that was made in um you know, report at the very top of the show there was a, a man who, i believe is a resident of i talk where a run counties jail and what he had to say struck me. he said, i wrote it down, he said they run con, started fighting with people and making enemies basically the minute he came to power, which is kind of what you're saying that he, he, he didn't know how to treat even his opposition. and that ended up being a political fault, i mean, judging by the results and the outcome, we're gonna have to wrap this up. but just one last question for you is e mail, which is doing and see if that's possible. sorry. go ahead. the via the crisis is

the economic crisis and for some reason that order of priorities to address the economic crisis has not been taken. so with your question about when the election is going to happen in board is going to depend on where uh, the leadership of the country decides that they can rely on a group of people to date, the right decisions for the economy and not a popular decisions and that's advantage. all right, listen, i want to thank all or guess for joining us in the program today. thank you very much than done. i was our con time worked out for and as a machine i thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, that's alpha 0 dot com for further discussion, go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ag inside store. you can also join the conversation on twitter handle at a inside story, from me,

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