for every thing do, he's being animal, it's being, it's being measured for intelligence agencies, all the task to do things in secret that are unlawful. all politically embarrassing, all of the colleagues that i knew show was to retire from the n. s a big could not stand by and see all the work that they had done being used for mass surveillance, digital dissidence, on our to 0 on rest. and if you, if he is out of agent with final rebels to full with couple improves and synchronize 2 years ago. and now buffering beyond me. what's driving the conflict? and how's the government addressing the regions, simmering grievances? this is inside story, the

hello. welcome to the program. i'm adrian finnegan. conflict has returned once again to ac, up at this time. and i'm one of the 2nd largest region in the country. many um how does say that they've been sidelined by the government and that is how about which is dominated by the a robo ethnic group. local rebels in amada, known as follow, help the government and it's 2 year war and they bring to gripe. now though they've taken up arms against the ministry, the rebels have been in ton accused of trying to over throw the government. the nation's intelligence chief condemned the group. i'm calling on them to stop fighting, or i'm not i some of my friends, it's a full suspended, scratching a problem by being led with the intention and goal of dismantling the regional government. and then going after the federal government. i called upon anyone included in this, in full organization of bandits, to refrain from this path of self destruction immediately and come to a peaceful solution. the national defense policy is always the ultimate protection

for the constitution. so, so who are the final? i'm what do they want? it's a rental group, launch the made up of local volunteer fights us from on how to with the stated goal of defending the region. and it's people, as we mentioned during the take like conflict, the font or fault with government, and i'm hot, our regional forces and face accusations of rights abuses but follows relationship with the government. deteriorated off, the prime minister, i'll be on, i'd submit destruction. tried to bring the group under its control. follow believes that this would would leave. i'm how to vulnerable to attack by neighboring regions . in april violent protests broke out across um, honda of the private, as the old old power military forces from the c o. p as 11 regions be integrated into the police or national army officials insisted it was to bring unity but protest. i said that it would undermine i'm how does security before we begin not without guests. let's see it now from a corresponded catherine story and what's behind the latest violence. the

government has declared a state of emergency. since this fine thing begun to pricing is between regional forces in higher regions and this group called a fine uh and what would be the tools now is that the government has set up roadblocks um they have uh, established costs use as well. and we also know that the internet has been very, very slow. i have appears it has been blocked as well. so it's very difficult to get information coming out of that region. but we're told that the 5 thing is intensify. now this group on is a group that is phase in, i'm hara region, we know that it doesn't have full month uh, full mall, uh, structures, but then it has been there uh for

a while us. and we also know that during the conflict between the governmental, federal forces integrated to guy and i'm har on neighboring regions. so during that conflict of a to guide 2 years ago, i signed the back of the government. and uh, somehow the government provided weapons to find off, and that is what the fight is about now, because the government wants to disarm the visa fly says, but they say no a. we also know that some domestic flights have been collect, cancelled because of what is going on. and the situation is very, very fluid. and we have also spoken to some people the that who said that that they are very cool about what's going on, does a lot of,

i'm starting to and they want this resolved as quickly as possible. cause we saw all the 0 inside story. let's forget, i'll guess then from jake jake, up in easier for with joined by come on, how she must have moved to the middle of the field and part of it from new york, but joined by your how does world of money i'm an academic at if you will be a research of specializing in the whole of africa and from charlotte, north carolina, to what rose tiff a chapman of the founding member of the i'm how to association of america gentlemen, welcome to all of you. let's start with you to address many people outside of the view. if you have, may have interpreted the front of fighting alongside the national lobby integrated as support for private as the i'll be, i'm at the, and his policies. that was not the case. you know, that is not the case. this is a really a complete misunderstanding. and i really of, of the western observers of what's happening and if you go beyond the,

beyond hire people fontose and damn, how are we gonna special forces when they were fighting? and the war in northern ethiopia, and they were fighting to defend themselves because they weren't invaded by the 2 black people to the russian front and multiple occasions. so the fight in the war in northern easy, okay. by down hard people was mistaken of the support of, of abbey. and that wouldn't be an actuality. what it was really was a defense, a self defense i guess, to envision forth invading forces to drive people to the russian font. but it's really critically important to give you an idea of some contacts with missing right now in the, on our region is a build up of decades long political, marginalization, subjugation and genocide been committed against them. have people by successive redeemed. he meets your guy, starting out with adobe getting funded by the to buy people separation front and nob. i'd, i'd be, i'm at all the it is, or a little prosperity party says i became to power the atrocities a guess. i'm also escalated then,

was all this other models have been investigated and this whole region of oral meal and over a 1000000 miles have been ethnically cleansed from that region. us admitted by his government and not the same policy of targeting armoire us based on the has been implemented in i just saw in our region where thousands of homes in not this of, of nano ramos majority of mars, had been destroyed in over 20 must go also destroyed, leaving hundreds of thousands of the models and not almost to be homeless on many of them. that's a good class for me. i just of says this is abby handler came to par. this is what people have been witnessing the current fighting the current fighting between august security forces and the people started with the unilaterally, unconstitutionally. and without consultation with them, how people set the security forces to disarm and dissolve yamaha or reduced special forces. so keep specialist forces and started attacking the fondles was

simultaneously arresting douglas of generalist pond, politicians, human rights activists. and they use in the past week over 4000 miles and decide what had been arrested and placed in cost and tracing caps. this is a war started, but beyond that, i guess you know how people people are just simply fighting for survival, obviously military heavy artillery just to at least important to note. yes. the tourist, as we said, the beginning of the program, the permit us to order the old part of the tree forces across a v 11 regions of the country to be integrated into the police or the national lobby of saying that i'm how it has been singled out for me, particularly brutal treatment here of course, and this has been the case for the since he came into power, the people have been purchasing and showing the discount to, to be on that before the war. and know that if you will be out during the warrant, knows that if you'll go after the war and know that you'll be out there, as i said, this was the amount of people have been primarily targeted by the abbe redeem. so

as he came to power, that's why you are seeing right now defined by the people, i guess, the copy of his security forces. right now, i just military's using artillery tanks and draws and finally, indiscriminately as cities killing does this of people, the women being raped and heritage sides are being destroyed. and what we're asking is for the international community to condemn this genocide, the bylaws of targeting an entire ethnic group and to hold abbey in his government accountable. he had us in new york. um, if he appears we know is, is a deeply emphasized country to what extent us as of the, of it made tensions was in the early days of his tenure, his words including isn't over your address in which he ignores past wrongs and his commitment to addressing identity and board of conceptual welcomed by people that are. so why people so dissatisfied with his leadership? what's, what's going wrong?

let me address the initial speak kind of a little bit because he alludes to here. i'm the, i'm how to being marginalized. that historically, one can take the long view in the short of view in this issue. and the, the long view actually is the direct opposite of what the speaker was saying. the i'm how do i, with the pivot, the ability to appear, and the auto mall people, although the majority have been marginalized in the past, or even not able to speak and develop their language. right. so it to conflict has started kind of vision isn't to present the i'm had as the victims and the short run. i agree with some of the things you mentioned about to the displacement of the i'm hot out. but this has also has started good reasons because a lot of this people where the stuff i'm in the home. yeah. region. do any of the

members sort of james, as part of his water strategy and the so and then what people they are already then, so the people be gotten to resent them from the very beginning because they want to come into their lives. so this is a little bit of a, a twist is trying to kind of the, you know, the facts that exist and then in terms of either yeah, from it. i be, yeah. how many has made things much worse? he is a very much of an adventure of the one who wished against the grand people at the general side, really that he committed against that degree and deepen is something that has not been witnessed since orlando and africa. and so within 5 years it has part of the is the country to the point where it's just integrating to begin with. ethiopia is really what sustained by western budgetary aid and political and

military support. it's a very weak state to begin with. you know, i know in the u. s. foreign policy, it's described as, i'm kind of the heart of africa, the more accurate description of the berries. it's a destabilizing flores in the fact that it has to be in that ever since the end of world war 2. and the beginning of the debate south is in a most people don't realize this, but it was, uh, i mean the minute the, the of the founder of murder media. you was cutting the southern youtube. yeah. the autumn of egypt. and essentially the colonizing alone was there wasn't just so you can call any of this may not fit that there was an aspect of it gives us a compelling, invisible amenities was positioned historically and a id on situation where he can get weapons from the europeans by manipulating this power or that power and using the mythology, that is the, this is ology that deeply exists in the western world. he was able to acquire and

weapons and conquer this of in months. and so what we're seeing here is something that has been building up for about a 100 years. and finally, things that are coming to avoid and we are witnessing now. i mean, our country on the verge of this integration is, might have about how shape ma mode. what do you make of, of, of what you've heard from off from all to guess is, is the country on the village of this integration? i think the counties on the right to the way the jumping to the window of the unity which is just never been seen. but i see a dfcs gwen going. i see. uh, stopping it is uh happening. it may be loving their own uh, publish butt. let's be honest, now the why to get to know the integrated, you know, as a business tablets the, what it, what the situation now is that it's tablets the need to do the legion,

hopefully. uh so the pieces together much you see when it comes to go and order and the speech golf outlet, what doesn't just say all of you, not blame the problem, stuff directly. kind of getting them on our people. i don't see an individual issue here. let's see on us, so you can switch them from the model to print. why? so a lot of people, these, a lot of people are listed by their own government, which they have elected over the world at the democrats killing those who shelley paper and, but it will give them up. so the federal government giving disclose to the amount of people. so it's not the set only a being, you know, the only act that here is i know he's the, is the, the view of the, the, to the sure. but is this the government which trying to work for the safety and security of the community? so the dog and establish the english and the model people will come back again to leave their own story. my life peanuts are just being a piece, you know, being the, the will and i, the culture and another sector. the model committee will law for. so we have to see

a lot of ways that this company is going without being the, the get stick on. i mean, i'll add a new stuff. freak out in a very good uh, pollution. so do i have not because so let's see. the other thing is that the company is, you know, is a chipping a bunch of course, the citrus like this happened, but we have to meet that the, give them just trying to spit, to make sure that, you know, the count that it gets comes together. that's why the law enforcement, the measures less the one the happening in a lot of these, you know, needed to make sure that there's only one you know, strong. i me for the, you know, uh, uh, the 1st course that would be, you know, watching for the safety and security of the whole clemency to go back instead of rebel as you know, i mean, is there a to disturb? don't get the situations to. so i agree that the other way is happening or the things right? yeah. let's, let's bring in 2000. he well, he wants to get in here to order us. yeah, adrian, us of the only,

i'm our policy. if i have the, if i can be given an opportunity to respond to both of these uh yes, i would really appreciate it because there's a lot of false claims that are being made here. number one, in response to this member of parliament that's here. the allowed people do not have their own representative. they do not have the own government. in fact, the region is now under the state of emergency. the federal government is managing the all region and has this is april by 5 federal agencies that are people have never elected their government. the source of instability in the region in the country is that all the that the oral prosperity party that is very clear. we the war, do not know that the if you, i hope you have the, the, i had never ended this, especially it's the session of actually disagreements that was signed between the t p out there at the i, b, i a and, and i, the party with a fraud process that was not inclusive, it was exclusionary,

it did not include all the stakeholders, it would be excluded. the people in the off are people from the process and we have set up that time. we weren't that there was not going to be peace in the country on this. all the stakeholders are included. dom, how people had their own negotiation delegation ready to participate in the process . there were excluded as a result of that. we have another war started by abby on the again, in the region we are asking for is an inclusive process. so that includes all the stakeholders, are else what we're seeing right now in our region. we'll brought into other parts of the if you will be a possibly golf the entire horn of africa define those right now have taken over an hour. at least 3 majority of good job. they are inside the capitol of yamaha region in the our dock valley. i guess the bobbies, military, many parts of good job are not, i mean a wonderful and not sure. and also go under a know, under the fund or administration. so this is one of the largest regions in the

country under funded right now. and the funding is continuing and what we're asking for is for the international stakeholders to quickly come in and condemn ivy. i'm at regina for the, the, for the instability in the country in the region, and to hold him and his government comfortable. so we can move away from this region and to simply in the transitional government where we can have constitutional reform. i occurred on democracy, justice and accountability. something that has escaped this for decades. yeah. yeah, and i so i'll come or come to you in just a 2nd to but 1st come out how she, how about do, do you want to respond to what you've just heard? i don't know where this comes down to the, the, the diety alpha, a mission and go to a lot of people are excluded the, in any, in a little government, tyler decision making process into fact to a little. and also they be all saying that the amount of people has never elected.

like, like we had an admission, you know, your said go where with the, you know, you know, how to region, you know, is another part salvo contested squares the how to subjects in both or did you know the type of, uh, of the parliament. but the prosperity party was leading the country. how's one to buy jewelry to position and money? uh, uh, people, if i bought i, if need to do so box up also to them. but i have read me a one day lashan republican people and i'm eating the legion and also the present thing, the committee and keep was just the federal government. so i, so i see that, like i do is, you know, saying, you know, like the mom of the birth of dad, excluded i, let's, what i was saying that the model people are only elected when you know, like overseas by twos, i only reading religion and that i don't see that to be fair and you know, we'll send these quail looking at things. so let's be on us the ability to take that live by a lot of people. but of course,

this could be the complex that continues that they said they're going to do for us, which, which would be okay with you now that the just or any other accounts in the world. and that could be argued, but the genetic, the fact about it has to be a free and fair election. do more of the collection. what does being you're looking at is that by many of the emotional list issues and the whole util best as well. the main goal that i don't know will give it these greg a so i'll drop ship if my father speak out, please accept us. so fox and in the business arguments on that. but the claim include, i can oh, she just blindly noise election. nobody has been elected. i don't see those going to be fixed, and it's taking off know a little fun most. why did the region while fighting against the, for the uh force. i think that should be advised that fight or english or the inferential people in the document. because with this fight was going to be affected with them how to communicate, which i would love to body by both forces be the force. i mean,

the national defense was okay, fine, most delta tango, so with this one who's going to affect the most is the community. and that's to make sure that, that this would be a fairly, as clearly all it is combined discussion say you shouldn't pop a new suit. all right, but let me, let me bring in your how does your, how does to extend this is been driving this early. i'm unable possible. okay. i got yeah. okay. towards very quickly if you can give me a one minute on. so it is very grateful. just just very quickly got disappointed that your audience under says this was the big election. the government won over 90 percent of the returns. 90 percent of the parliament is, is uh uh, is uh seeded by the prosperity party. so this wasn't a fair and a fair election that was held. there was a risk intimidation of opposition, political party members, in many parts of the country. the opposition political party members decided not to participate in the election because they would been persecuted by the government.

so this is really a fuel lies and thought that the member of parliament is putting all you have is what was it a free and fair election? to what extent is the private as the end of the possible possession here. and that he criticized for whatever he does or doesn't do and how to the people if i'm not a big, big grievances, maybe genuine, but all the moms reasonable i agree with the last speaker about the election. the election was completely for other men, and it was very hard time. it was done when you, i mean it, it's clear that the grand people completely and, and even internally, i mean a start when you are the only one the election. you're going to win for sure, and that's what i need to basically. and the, the issue here is ivy came to power book kind of variety on the back of the, the 1000000000 by the, or the people and the to some extent by the people as well. and there was a,

you know, this whole, this, the unreasonable hope you 40 a, initially when he came to power, i mean, even the europeans and the west. and us gave him the nobel prize without really understanding of who the mind is. this is a very dangerous man, and we're seeing that in 5 years. so how dangerous situation his creator is, you know, be a, is a very difficult place to govern, even for the most seasoned and sophisticated in the well meaning politician. but here we have a very power hungry person. i don't know if you've heard, but he's building a passport himself. that costs about $10000000000.00, even when the people in the blog started be. and the economic situation is out better than he counts on west them a call and so on monday and from the outside, from the middle east, from all kinds of places in order to build a country and or so. i mean it's uh, with regards to the i'm how to, historically,

there is no dispute that they have been the privilege people in ethiopia. i mean, anybody can tell you this even so i'm honest, i'm honest, i'm down to catch up. when i came to flower, they expected him to be there but that basically all righty is right about anybody . he's not for the almost not for them. how do i know for anybody? i mean for himself, he was intoxicated, there was power and he wants to stay in power at the any cost. and that's why he didn't have a problem with a 1000000 people. diane, these are things like everything is, i mean like it hasn't done anything. i mean, the international community is not organ him on track again. he is even talking about invading a neighboring country to amex, lots of that out of the country. and this is just plastic type time. this time is against the strength when we pick up the burden of time left. so. so a brief onset from you 1st come out before i ask you another question here. did you

want to, how do you respond to that? but i mean i'm, it is a dangerous, a power hungry, hungry, dangerous man. i would say also to, you know, uh the, the, the, the fact that the, my, my, my, the products that only putting data out only i, you, again as the prime minister, who's a single person in the system with the government is, is business and reckless. i remember, you know, very strong government lead to by party i would up should, instead of going with was, you know, to look at the bunch of them how things are going. but putting all things together again this uh, the only the problem is to, uh, i think it looks like i see if uh, how some groups are, you know, packaged in twice a week or so to defend. the prime is sort of what they see practically. what's happening, all the initiatives and the legacy, the problem says leaving behind the me to a pair of shoes, you ask him a despite the steps out of going to the company and all the contribution who's making to make sure they're gonna start realty in this. so all i see some have to

be a little bit, he said, how does that gives the prime minister? i don't know why don't know the reason why they really have to induct much. does only out see old mobile data is coming around dots, only auto populate. that gives us a time, instead of going to see any of the stuff comes out of the need or didn't tell us what the community in a region disney trusted was that seems to have the committee out. i'll leave that this time to speak off. uh, make sure you got this one in this making sure that this says situations of ethics for these and they're very local. you all d for dog. what is it called the model? can we do, you know, model vision, but all that, arguments out a single piece of really get penalized for us to use up for is going to age one of the neighboring countries. what's the problem? okay. but i feel like a regular step. uh, i have to actually interrupt you. we're almost done have time to but yeah, you had us for a very quick answer from you as well. if we can find that to you. yes. okay. yes. just adrian made a lot of people by you on. so these numbers are good now. 30 seconds. yeah. yeah.

number one of them, how people have not been privileged historically. that is false and that is a lie that people are putting out there to justify a tax. i guess i'm our us, the earlier he has said that the amounts were settled into oral me about them and just to redeem that there was resentment and he justified the ethnic listing of a model. which in these people are these people. yeah, there's one in one particular issue you can call them because it okay. look like when you called us i live by the okay, i dates that that, but that's an opinion that the icon, icons substantiate here, but we're almost out of time behind us. 30 seconds is this conflict the control without so much size, or is it set to escalate? just to answer the question, please. the questions you can this this discount for the 2nd step to escalate? the ticket is not supposed to exist and you have all the type of yeah, yeah, yeah. how does the yes. ok, the fact that the hot our to south and being the region on the what a privilege is it has to be addressed. all right, just on. so the question is,

conflict of the set to escalate? oh no. this is a conflict on the verge of disintegration as this is not a country. i mean, if it's going to be salvage due to would be a medical. yeah. i'd come out it can, are you confident this conflict can be both under control? yeah, absolutely. and the whole point of flops. this is step as much as used to be done or control it because you're able to see them. how did you not do whatever they want with going to us and that did you become a comfortable this? so you can do minded. hopefully, if i'm going to send about these a lot of you for a lot of discussion and i ask everybody to contribute just to come into comfortable or be private for just this gentleman that i'm afraid we're gonna have to write a manufacture date for taking part in the program today, i really do appreciate it. as always, thank you for watching certificate. you can see the program again at any time by going to the website of ours is 0 dot com for further discussion. join us on our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash h,

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