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high and i'm steve clements and i have a question. if our planet is burning, and many scientists say we're running out of time, why aren't we doing more to deal with climate change? let's get to the bottom line. the. it wasn't always such a political issue. decades ago, republicans and democrats came together to work for cleaner water and cleaner air and even created the environmental protection agency. and that was created during a republican administration these days despite the extreme weather faced by millions around the world. climate action has become a divisive issue, and joint action sounds like a pipe dream. here's how everything gets kicked down the road. poor countries, blame rich countries for the damage started a 150 years ago. since the industrial revolution, individuals mostly feel helpless and say, big corporations need to fix the damage. they're making those big corporations turn around and say, well, the problem is so huge, the government has to deal with it. and then the government say they don't have

a consensus among their people to do much. which brings us back to square 0. in the meantime, humanity is going nowhere fast, and despite good intentions and noble efforts here and there everything is getting hotter. so what's gonna happen to us, and what are we supposed to be doing? today? we're talking with jessica del a journalist who's been writing about energy and climate for the past 20 years. his latest book is the heat will kill you 1st life and death on a scorched planet. and stephen must send a contributor to the washington post who covers the business of climate change. thank you. do you both for joining us? i just, i just want to start with you. i would not have put out this book with this endorsement, this way. i just want to read it to folks, it says entertaining and thoroughly research, blah, blah, blah. you know, a former vice president al gore. i didn't find your book entertaining at all. i found it well written, well, research and deeply, deeply disturbing about what's happening unfolding. and i'd love to get to give you

an opportunity right now to talk about why you wrote heat and what message you're trying to to, to give to those readers. i would assume beyond entertainment. yeah. well, you know, the title says a lot about what i'm trying to do. you know, i know it's a deliberately provocative title and he will tell you 1st, it sounds alarmist. i don't need it to be alarmist in the sense that many people in the climate world talk about alarm is and, but i think a lot of our discussion in politics about global warming and climate change is sort of set to far off in the distance either physically in the distance as in happening in another world, or it just, it's in time. and i really wanted to bring this kind of urgency to this to really talk about what is happening now. and this is personal, you know, he can kill you, you can go for a walk on a hot day and then 2 hours later, you know, if you're in the wrong situations and you're, you're a vulnerable person,

you can be dead. and i really wanted to bring this kind of urgency to this issue and, and to try to think of a way to write about this that involves people in a personal way. and i think that's perhaps something that's set that's missing from the sort of broader politics just by decades of, of you know, endless discussion about this issue. well one of the things that struck me in, in your 1st chapter, you talk about jonathan garish. and alan chung and i'd like you to share in short form what happened and then, but i also liked to hear about the 15000 people who died in paris in 2003 who didn't get the benefit of reading your book 20 years ago. so for some people, you know, raising a clarity on call right now. um, you know, this may be basically saying how it, how it is and how it work much worse it's going to be, but it's been bad already for awhile. yeah, it hasn't been already for

a while and you know, we're really, we're meeting, you know, generally educated people who understand the climate is changing and are thinking about what's the best thing to do. are really an educated about the risk of heat. and that was, you know, tragic way and you know, of symbolized by the story of the garish family who i wrote about in the opening chapter. they were in their late thirties. she was in her late 30, he was in her is early forty's, a young married couple with a one year old child. they were, he was a snapshot engineer in silicon valley. they decided to get out of silicon valley during the band. demik started a new life and this year in about a foot hills, they were outdoors people, they were educated about outdoors. they, you know, shopped at r, e i and all the gear and everything. and you know, i had taken a number of flights and one day they decided to take a hike just to a river,

a few miles from their front door of a high down into a canyon. they knew it was going to be hot. uh, they started early, they got to the river, and then at about noon, they had to hide out of the scan. and it was about a 2 mile hike of a steep switch back, which by the way, had been burned by wild fires a few years earlier. so there was no shay and exactly what happened to them. yeah, i read about it some detailed the book, but the short version of it is they didn't come on that night. their friends got concerned, the search party went out the next day, found the entire family. the mother of the father, the one year old child and the dog, all dead on, on the trail from heat exhaustion and heat stroke. and, you know, it's just emblematic to me that this going to happen to any of us. you know, it doesn't have to be, you know, farm workers of the people who are the construction workers who are, who are the most obviously vulnerable to this. this could happen to any of us, and that sort of the message that i really wanted to communicate most directly in

this book. this brings me to, to my friend, steven mops and steve, when you see a book like he'd come out and you also look at the temperatures and the hottest time we've been in the planet. my big question to you is, are we getting equities right in that equilibrium between thinking smartly about climate in our future. and the, the sort of reality is of a business and energy. yeah. well, i mean, i think that, you know, the awareness of the climate problem is, you know, exponentially bigger than it was just a short time ago. you know, as a post we did as series saying basically that the climate change and come to your door. and you know, it looks actually like, uh, such an elementary thing to have said this 4 years ago. but at the time it made a huge impact on me. you know, we went to places like cut our and, and wrote about people who, who are very much like these unfortunate couple who,

who have trouble, you know, when the construction sites and hundreds of people were dying there. so, um, so yes, i think there's been a big change and in public consciousness. but the question is, how does that get through to the people who are really making the important decisions and more and more people are talking about that uh, being in the hands of big private enterprises, corporations, oil companies, renewable companies, whoever, apparently, because the uh, the government right, and the people who would, you would expect to be regulating these issues are really regulating them that much . there's no support for a carbon tax, you know, the most important and decisive regulatory issues. having basically kicked back to, to big business. and one of the things i'm curious of about jess view is you know, um, how does he see that happening?

you know, does he expect the big companies to step off and do the kinds of things that we all need done? well, let me ask jeff, when you look at it, big companies and you look at those players that you need to actually get in a different course. what is your thought on what we best need to do? and you know, big 2 are big enterprises. the answer yeah. well, you know, are you one of the biggest things that's changed in the time that stephen i've been writing about this and a lot over the last decade and a half or so is the economic argument, right? yeah. got a whole bunch of clean energy change so dramatically. you know, 15 years ago it was all about subsidies for solar in this and that, and now, you know, i live in texas, you know, they have a center of the positive jo industry in united states and you know, 25 percent of our grid is solar right now, and it's booming, so the economic arguments are, are shifted dramatic, right? right. and, and one of the things is most kind of concerning for me and the difficult part of

the politics is i see it is that, that climate and energies to a degree have become part of the sort of cultural war in america. and it's all about, you know, kind of debasing the science. it's, you know, you can't believe the sizes. it's a, it's a conspiracy. it is, you know, is this because, you know, the evidence, you know, it's sort of like the at the backs movement in america and the sort of just distrust of what's really happening. and that makes it because the conversation a lot more difficult, you know, and for corporate leadership, you know, we've seen the big oil and gas companies note saying the right things. but when you look at what they're actually doing, they're not really moving fast enough at all. they're interested in preserving and stockholder values. they're interested in slowing down on this transition. generally some are better than others. but i think we're to really talk moment politically. i think as tough as anything i've seen in the time i've been covering

this, steve, when you kind of look at the scale in size and profits they have, aren't we and somehow dependent on some of those large fossil fuel enterprises to kind of create the next on the energy front, isn't that part of it? it's definitely part of it because, you know, the big oil companies have some of the biggest investment in capital spending programs in corporate america. so yeah, you know, i think he's doing a some interesting work there and they're gonna build out a lot of carbon capture facilities and try to pump that stuff back into the ground . but it's not clear to me whether that how that affects ox is business as a fossil fuel company. i think a lot of people see that as a, as a way to distract people from, from the fossil fuel business, which is still going to be alive and well, let's see. what about your daniel? oregon was on my show not too long ago. and, and dan said, even if gasoline entered in his traditional form is put out of business,

we electrify everything. we're still so dependent across our society, from vaccines to plastics, the, these, all of the things that the petrochemical industry produces isn't. now we don't talk about it, but it's embedded everywhere and is there, is there a dimension? certainly a piece of clothing and combine that. doesn't have some elements of that 9 line are you know of the of these things by patrick i'm still petra chemical company. so is primitivism the only option here? no, i don't, i don't think so. i think there's a lot that that can be done. i think the question is, you know, when can i be done and, and then, and i'm what scale? so, you know, i think if you had asked me 15 years ago, what did i mean whether i could imagine this kind of change and pace of change happening? no, definitely not. but it's still a long ways from where we need to be to, to get a grip on the climate change. jeff, what i, what i appreciated very much in your book and it,

and it worked with me and i, and i hope it works with other readers. is, is you kinda have this thing if you will, for words like climate change and all the gradualism that we've built in to a discussion of this in my view. you sort of treat sheet as a storm, as a tornado, as a fire, and you know something, things that, that can come in a happen to an area and create an order thing. it's, it creates much more action in the way you deal with heat, which most of us are taught to sort of think of is a gradual you know, straight line event. and i love you to just reflect for a moment in short form something that matters a lot to me was to watch the pacific northwest a few years ago, basically get cooked alive and billions of organisms perished and died. and you just saw this go on. i don't know if many people even remember it, but on top of this you're talking about something called the goldilocks zone. can you share with our audience those 2 reflections?

yeah, so let's start with a girl who lives down there, go. he likes out of that phrase and scientists use who are looking for life on other planets. and they're looking for the presence of liquid water. that's a good indicator of a planet that might have life on it. so if it's too cold, it's ice. if it's too hot, the water is vaporized and there's nothing there. so there's they, they talk about plants with liquid water as the goldilocks though. and it applies also to your, to life on our here because everything to us and everything around us, all the plants, all the animals, everything that is alive involved in this relatively stable climate. and we've developed mechanisms for dealing with a range of temperatures that, you know, we're used to in our evolutionary history that we can deal with, you know, a 100, a 110 degrees we can deal with, you know, 60 degree, 50 degree cold. but we can't deal with 50 below 0 and we can't deal with a 130 our make our body. we mechanisms are not sets for that. right. and it's true,

not just of humans, but of everything. and one of the things it's really, you know, important to grasp what's happening now is that we've left the old climate behind the amount of c o 2. and everything that we have in the atmosphere is changing the atmospheric dynamics in a very profound way. we're not going back, this is not a new normal. it's like what michael site is not going back all the new abnormal. and so we're going to have more and more of these extreme events in the pacific northwest in 2021 was a great example of that. i mean, who imagined that we could get a 121 degree temperatures in british columbia and a washington state. and we had a town essentially respond to any, as we combust and inverse columbia. it's like snow and is a hair. so we're flying now and a new climate that is we don't really understand what the rules are,

how can get and we're pushing out of this is that we did you waited then and lived in for so long in to new levels and new risks. and you know, wandering around phoenix on a 100 degree day is very different than wandering around phoenix on a 125 degree day. and our bodies cannot last for very long, and that kind of temperature, we don't have the heat relief mechanisms to survive. and those temperatures are saving, one of the heat relief mechanisms that we created. and there's a color full chapter in this book that starts with a looking at william faulkner, very famous writer in american history, his funeral and how hot it was at oxford, mississippi, and faulkner heated air conditioning. but air conditioning is the, one of the ways that, that we have been able to manage those temperatures and, and, and heat so to speak. but i'm really interested in the geo political dimensions of that, or even the internal dimensions that have versus have nots in providing what,

what jeff calls, you know, cheap, cold air. and, and where are we do you think? and nat geo political divide around the world. because a lot of people in africa will say, hey, we've been here already for a lot longer than you folks. yes, that's true. and i think that, you know, we, we wrote about cut r as a example of, you know, where, so one of the richest places in the world, one of the richest places. so air conditioning is exploding and cut are. and, and it's interesting also because it's not just the question of high temperatures, it's also a question of the lower temperatures and the range. so the what makes doha particularly a hot place isn't just the daytime temperature of a 115 or whatever. it's the nighttime temperatures that don't get below 90. and that's one of the things we're seeing now here in the u. s. c. next isn't just difficult because of the high end of that spectrum it's, it's the,

it's the low end as well, which is also overnight lows in the ninety's. a jeff, i've loved you to talk about the prospect of what you call. i think it was cheap, cheap, cold air and, and how it's not basically any galler caringly shared good. and what you think needs to happen be because again, i just want our readers to know this isn't, you know, i met roger rebel who was warning about, you know, carbon in the air, you know, 4050 years ago. i met him 40 years ago. i wish this book had been written 40 years ago, but we're now 40 years into this. so we're living in real time watching. you know what your concerns are, play out and, and, and we may, as you right, see, literally a staggering number of people. let me just read this one item here from, from your book, which is staggering. that right now, there are 30000000 people today, living in extreme heat. and you predict by 2070. some of your folks are going to be around a 2072000000000 people are likely to live in extreme heat and also die in extreme

heat. so what do you think are some of the mediation mechanisms that we have to take much more seriously than we are as well. i mean, the 1st one is obviously reducing fossil fuels, emissions as quickly as possible, because that's what's causing, you know, our planet to warm up. so any conversation about what to do has to start with that . and accelerating that dramatically when your air conditioning is a great subject, because you know, a lot of people just think it's like, okay, we have a 6 for he, we just have, get, just need to get everybody air condition. and we need to democratize air conditioning. and that sounds good, but it's not gonna happen. i mean, we can certainly get more air conditioning to more people. it's important to do that subsidizing electric bills, things like that. and, you know, even buying free air conditioners for people, but there are billions of people on this planet who do not have air conditioning and are not going to have air conditioning anytime soon. more or we are not going

to air conditioning the oceans. we are not going to air condition. the wheat fields were and cornfields where our food is grow. you know it. we are not going to air condition all of the other creatures on this planet. this suffer from extreme heat and exactly the same way that we do so, you know, yes, we can create a bottle for ourselves and live in that level. but you know, that is not, that is not the world that we want to live in. i don't think and it certainly doesn't resemble the world we're in now. and the final thing about that is that, you know, dependent upon air conditioning naturally pushes the electric good for, you know, consent to consume more power, puts it. and it also puts it at risk during these high heat events. so what other infrastructure experts i talked about in phoenix talked about what he called a and evan ability of a heat, katrina referring to hurricane katrina that hit new orleans or a decade or so. excuse me, a decade or so ago if i have

a major blackout in one of these, a city like austin or phoenix or las vegas or houston or whatever, during one of these blackouts where there are going to be a lot of this. um, you know, our buildings are built now with seal windows with this idea that we need to have, you know, you know, no natural ventilation is all dependent upon these machines of load up the air in and out. if that fails, we're in big trouble. and so by creating the sort of air condition fantasy, we are perpetuating this. what we need to do was thinking about building buildings in a different way. we use natural ventilation systems, you know, they, we used to know how to do that. and we've forgotten that because of air conditioning, we need more public spaces where people have access to cooling. you know, when we need more green spaces in, in cities, more trees. we there, you know, there's a lot of things that we can do, the odd simply air conditioning that, to, to deal with this gap. let me ask you what you're going to tell in audience. if you

are, find yourself at the world economic form in dallas. i frequently go, i hope i'm in the audience when you tell them. but i mean, i'm just interested in this tension over green washing and, and what you, i mean, you call it out and, and so what are you going to tell these, these rich and powerful players in the global economy? what they need to do to wake up and, and help save us if you will. well, 1st of all i, i highly doubt i'm going to be at dollars uh, addressing this describes the brand, you know, if i were, it wouldn't be some version of, you know, let's get serious about this. i mean, you know, you have a lot of risk. do you think you don't, but you do and you know, your economics or whatever businesses you're in it. i mean, we're all at risk and how do we, you know, communicate, this is where i and my book is that wherever these this journey is taking. yeah. so on this super heated planet that we're building for ourselves,

there is no get out of jail free card. we are all engaged in this. we're all on this journey together. whether you're flying around in a private jet, which hopefully we're not doing because of the carbon emissions and all the things that come with that. but, you know, we're all in this together and you know, we're all going to, you know, survive and thrive together. and we really can build a better world. i really am optimistic at this moment that you know, we can use this kind of inflection, if you will, this kind of model where people are paying attention and saying, oh my god, what is happening is this guy broken to really build political consensus to build coalitions to say we can change things, we can change where energy comes from. we can change how we build buildings. we can change how we build food. this is coming, we have to accept it and we can do better. and this is a moment to seize. well, this is an incredible vividly told journey through what heat is doing to us,

very grateful for it. jessica del offer, the heat will kill you 1st and steve mops in climate change reporter. thank you so much for joining with us today. thank you for having. so what's the bottom line? well folks, there's just no silver lining. the world is having its hottest your right now in recorded history and is likely to search higher. we're watching is eco systems or decimated. sea creatures literally cook the live. the human body just doesn't farewell and heat as jessica del outline. and so far we've been trying to scope our homes. our markets are cars and work places to manage temperature. some can do that, but most folks in the world don't have the luxury. yes, we need smarter climate and energy policies that reduce emissions. but guess what? the day has already arrived when temperatures have reached dangerous levels because we failed to heat the warnings of decades ago. and that's sadly, the bottom line, the

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