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challenging place to work from. as a journalist, you're always pushing our boundaries. we are the ones wrapped in the extra mile. we're all the media goals. we go there and we give them a time to tell their story. the hey, walk into stream. i'm josh rushing money in your pocket. no strings attached. sounds too good to be true, right? but supporters of universal basic income say providing unconditional payments to citizens would help with millions out of poverty and that uncertainty over the future jobs. so today we're looking at initiatives have been trials around the world. we want to ask a basic income programs. well, if they're ready for a larger audience, the joining us

today from new york is guy standing. he's cold president of the basic income earth network and the author of the pro, carry at the new dangerous class. same. so because the documentary filmmaker who's film free money examines the impact of a basic income program on people that rule, kenya, he's and i, robi, and eleanor o done have been as an artist receiving funds through ireland recently launch basic income for the arts initiative. she's on iceland, east coast, and a well more see if it's a stable that you, if you're watching this on youtube, get me your questions through that box over there. we got live producer waiting to get your questions to me so i can get them to the people on the panel and you know, we can do this thing together, right? so joining me on this. all right, hey guy, i want to begin with you to the new book, the precarious. what is the pro carry it? tell us about this dangers class? well i actually, my new book is about how to pay for the base of getting some, but the area has gone into for additions, and it's been translated into 24 languages. and basically the precarious is the big

mass class of the well today. and it consists of millions of millions of people who are facing chronic instability in their lives on the stable label though, and bought a tile incomes and a chronic gate. and that one mistake one acts isn't well then the illness and they're out homeless or they think that so that people facing extreme precariousness and then losing the rights of citizenship and losing social rights that losing cultural rights. but losing because no make rights. i'm fundamentally, the most important thing for this conversation is that they feel like salt pick ups . a big deal is this. they have to us the fables from landlords from employers, from relatives or bureaucrats, dealing with them on this. this is a terrible existence show way of living in which millions of people are getting

very angry. the less and you k to listen to the voice is a popular stick stream is like donald trump. the more progressive educating group are looking for a new politics on these people, a girl into basic income. and it's a very important development because we now have a mass plus, which is really in favor of basic income and the opinion potable over the world showing well, okay, eleanor, so you're an artist, you're at a you can explain it better than me, but an art uh, retreat or something right there and in iceland, but before that you were in ireland and were you able to, i guess produce art of the same way that you do now before you were chosen for the i trial there. yeah, so this month i am on an artist residency and i sent, but i do live in ireland and before iowa is randomly selected to be

a participant in the base can come to the arts and ireland i was working part time to be able to support myself to be for my rent and then also to support myself as an artist in the studio. and so getting the basic income is like winning the loss, right? you know it's, it's usually transformed it all ready for my, our practice. and just for my general life and sense of, of being i think, yeah, but i'm looking at you in that art studio and i'm just thinking like, this seems good for humanity that you can actually dedicate more time in your life to something creative than just trying to survive and a capitalist economy it has it been rest your life and that way? yeah, absolutely. i mean, i love what i do and i was always grateful to be able to do it. even if i could only have spent 2 or 3 days a week, do i guess. but what this means is that i can kind of relax a bit. and i guess something that is quite relevant to being an artist is that you need time to spend in the studio and just and thinking it to kind of not

necessarily be productive or to do stuff that doesn't necessarily look productive and having to basically comp, just means that i have this luxury day of time where i can sort of relax and think more about what i'm making. so it has really just been phenomenal. yeah. it, it just speaks to humanity. the sense that we can be more than cods in the machine that's design purely to make profits. so co who's with us is a film director. he has this movie called free money. i want to share a clip with you, but he follows a number of people in a kenyan, a real canyon village could go computer. is that right? and you followed him for how long? several, for 5 years, for the trial. is that right? my? yep. my co director and i lauren, um full of them for 5 years. yeah. fantastic. awesome. let's watch this clip together. the

so it strikes me there so that this is so powerful in their life that they, they attributed to, to god, god has seen those in buses. but really it's, it's more just a matter of economic policy. it's a matter of people getting together within the society or an economy and saying, hey, we could approach this a little differently, right? i think it speaks to the depth of poverty and the depth in which luck takes you to the turning into space is like religion and all this other faces because the level of declaration and i think the idea and in this case that come with the following

the funding in this village that the concept of implementation of a u. b, i was to uplift people from extreme poverty. i think it's just kind of levels where you, you just need, might need to do, you know, basic to do basic things. you know, food and shelter come with a indication to things that can do shouldn't be a no brainer in terms of if you think about existing as humanity. however, a lot of good people are put in a space where these are not the systems that exist instructors that exist not beneficial that are not helpful. i think because those structures, they're not helpful to their lives. the idea of them getting a consistent income every single month is a total game changer. a got k, you said the book about how to pay for it. yeah. tell us where does all the money come from? he was the meanest. i'm asking you this guy as well a my,

my feeling is that we can pay for a basic income of a modest amount quite easily. if you think about governments time, the billions in the case of rich countries, billions of dollars or whatever it is in subsidies, but mainly go to rich people, tax breaks and so on. my own countries, i have a 400000000000 pounds a year. if you pay the everybody above his basic income, you'll be much less than that. but i'm also advocating e co fiscal policies of levies on people who take from the commons. not include having a carbon levy. we need a call for larry, but they can only have a common levy if we recycle the income gain from the comp and levy because otherwise it's regressive. in other words, it increases any quality, but we need a common tax. we need a high common tax because we've got to come down on fossil fuels and greenhouse gas

emissions. we can't go on as we've been doing. so i don't think the affordability is really critical on the i've, i've outlined various ways you can pay for it. and the important thing from our conversation is that to get governments to move in the direction of having a decent basic income for every party. pilots and i've been involved in 6 or 7 pilots altogether ponder, show the net cost is much less than the gross cost. what that means is that because it improves people's health, for example, as its places less stress on the health services. it reduces the cost of providing public health services. so governments gain by saving money the same with education, it improves educational attendance, educational performance,

and therefore makes it a better investment. so you really shouldn't look at the back of the envelope calculation. you should look at what other net pretends and the dynamics of a, a, moving towards a basic income as we have a new welfare system. so can you want to jump in the i yeah, i think the idea of where the basic and come works and not is in many ways irrelevant because it, it kind of comes from, they can that he story. this could be need to be thinking of where as a society like we have a, i hate for poor people and it was due for like the idea of that to people need to lead better lives. they'll have the ability to the better life because it's very complicated that the issue of time that is something that kind of like things that have to be talked about, things like, even with the giving of basic income. it is not exactly a silver bullet because unless you have better health care and that's you have the

best education and this you have all these amenities that are available, free and capable of helping people and making life, you know, ok for people to exist and then we, we kind of end up just going round and round in circles discussing whether it's ok to people to add a 2nd level of income to support their basic existence. that's kind of a sad reality, i think. and, and check capitalism and the pilots, you're talking about guy. these are experiments that have happened all over the world. no one's really taking this on as a, as a permanent economic policy in illinois. you right now, are they, i don't want to called a lab indicate but you're part of the experiment. and i'm curious, how did a measure in your life the impact that has had on you? yeah, absolutely. um, just to touch back on was and the others are saying that the forward dependency of that. i mean, this is a playlist and our end of 2000 people were getting paid and 17 grand

a year for 3 years. i think it work cited by 25000000 a year, which is really just a drop in the us. and in terms of, you know, ireland sports as a bush. the benefits are just astronomical. i mean, like how the records the impacts of the basic income and the survey. and it has only been 6 months since we have only had to do the survey once the last few questions about you know, how much time have you been able to spend making, how much time as you'd be able to spend researching opportunities. but they also ask you questions like, how much sleep to get to night? like per nice, how many areas to use benz caring after children or like else we relatives or you know, etc. so they really do take into account and the, the welding of the people who are receiving this piece of income. and it's something that was, you know, it didn't just come at a know where it was advocated for. there's the national campaign for the arts and art and which are really pushing for this basic income trial. and i mean, i should point out that it's not a universal piece of income. it's really just

a very, very small sector of people working in ireland. a bus, you know, focusing as well, an artist productivity, and they are, but the, i think it's probably the most productive way of looking at because you're not alone here. eleanor in our youtube audience, richard for a says that he's on the same you b, i program the year on release. he thinks he is and he says he knows other artist and that program and they feel so supported guy i. i see that you want to jump in and i'm, i'm, i'm thinking about ellen or getting more sleep at night and wondering who's profiting off of her sleep. so well, this full, i mean we, we now have an enormous amount of evidence because there are been over a $150.00 pilots and experiments. the may is scheme and in the united states is a really exciting initiative. 50 may is assigned up to do basic income to experiments. we've done a huge basic income pilot in india with thousands of people would give them

a basic income and we evaluated it by comparison with people, some of the people who weren't receiving it. and we found improvements in nutrition improvements in health improvements in health care improvements in work. one of the biggest issues that keeps coming up is this claim that if you had a basic income, it would reduce people's work. but i want, i want the listeners to listen very carefully to what i have to say in the next couple of seconds. basic income results in an increase in work this and more productive activities in work and more collaborative, uncooperative forms of what the evidence is overwhelming. and it's very important that we scorch that. but somehow if you have basic security, you're going to become indolent on the country. you feel more energized,

you feel more confident? do you feel more like taking entrepreneurial risks in your domain of life and you can what care is what it just isn't? county does work in all statistics but this particular and it's, it's a feminist issue. it increases the amount of time that people can put into care for their loved ones that commute that it just sounds almost 2 years. it'd be true . it sounds too good to be true. so but listen, you mentioned that this does happen in america. i want to bring in one clip and we'll come back to you to your guy. but this clip is from a, a p, and it's looking stockton, california, where the mayor brought it brought a new kind of experiment there, there checked us out. i'm surprised about how many people are struggling. these are people with good jobs, small business owners, teachers, retired people, union members who are struggling, who are working hard,

doing over and live on top of their jobs. not seeing their kids. nothing. heather, how that money gets me on that peace of mind. and right now my car i got in a car accident and my car. i told them. so i didn't have no car payments and now i have a car payment and that money. i know it's not gonna be forever, but puts me a foot in the door to get a car and also to get the payments paid until the money runs out or so. so much as it seems to be about like our perception of something. and so i'm going back to you here where it, it's like in capitalism, we blame the poor. and that's a part of the game. it's a part of the system that we need to blame the poor. how do you, how do you get over that mindset? how do you get people over that mindset? i can, it's a sample sound, but you know, i think it, it, it, it, them, in, in,

not only speaking about experiments of thinking about what's happening and watching the stories of, of the people who have gone through them. but at the same time and like makes payment that we look for knowing that been challenges and intended consequences. what in a society based on the fact that the recipients and their experiences are the money, then intended consequences were in, in things like say, the sources of the money. so it kind of came, come through a don't system and kind of like it's, it's based on the, the past experiences that a lot of people have had in the continent when we don't have funding and, and the, the, the lack of sustainability with that kind of system, it means that it's, it's not sustainable, it's implementation and it's based like kenya, because you have to involve governments and this money has to be involved in together and kind of like collectively in the level and how the money kind of comes through to the people and at the same time, it can be implemented in black ones,

but then you don't have connected to another spot because you only have to start creating class class struck to that $11950.00. so in, in, in the ad, unintended consequences in implementation of the experiment. and that's why we should stop experimenting and implementing programs. it should just in pre med program because like guy said, as we have open override with experiments, i think we're done with experimenting. why the hell are we still experimenting? what are we experimenting for? it's a perception issue at this point, rather than i think so as a system it gives you may know particularly it is political now me, josh. i think we have enough evidence from around a well different types of countries. we can afford it because we can afford all sorts of schemes us as we saw it during the cobit pandemic. when government sudden they were able to flush put money into companies and then the 0 interest rates and

the schemes, billions of dollars and the earliest we spent that know suddenly that they have that money. it's not a question and not being able to afford it. we have to be fiscally responsible, but it's a folder. i think we have to go back to why we want a basic inc. and the fundamental reason lane is ethical. it's festival a matter of common justice, the income on wealth. every single one of us, including all of us in this program, is far more to do with the efforts and the treatments of all proceeding generations than anything we do ourselves. but we don't know whose parents, grandparents and previous generations contributed more or less. so, you know, sense, you could see a basic king coming as a sort of common dividend on the collect to. well, now is very interested. the pope during toby came out in favor of

a basic king. so 1st time the catholic church has come out, family and faith. and really if your religious, you can say that gold gave us on equal tons on equal skills, us. and in a sense of basic income is a compensation for those who don't get the out of making a lot of money. but also we realize that basic income gives people basic security. and basic security is a human me as a bonus vote. and if you don't have a basic security, your mental i q, those down the psychologist to show us that. so in the sense giving people basic security is a way of saying you're a citizen, then you come by age. but if you're calling the insecure, it's unfair for us to expect somebody to behave in

a way we might look big not to behave just as a boy. i'm a basic security is fundamental. and finally, ethically it went. politician i that speak says they're in favor of freedom, but you call be free if you're chronically um, and secure, and even publish something debt. so can only be if you have access to the material resort so that you can make decisions. hey, i wanna bring a quick video and running out of time in the show and, and i want to ship this conversation. there may be a little bit more forward looking here. check this out. we'll discuss it after the

lot, the other music and that that's a mass of attack. that's a video that they actually did with guys got over 3000000 views. it wasn't the video i wanted you to see the i wanted to bring in this video off a tick tock. check this out. what you were looking at is the best farms most recent largest are which can take up to 30 minutes, which is amazing. but it's an incredible reminder of our 2055. over half of all the current jobs will be replaced by automation in over half of the global population will be unemployed with no real way to generate income. which people use to say would be to this mass of creative renaissance. now we have a secondary radar work cell for hundreds of thousands of dollars using papers and soon to be and also scripts to read the economy from completely collapsing. governments are going to have to start happening, or you'll be able to everyone that will be enough to cover all basic living needs. so okay, shipping to

a guy he was saying have to have the jobs by 2050 something are going to be taken away by automation or, or a i as we look at the changes that are coming in the future. eleanor. i see that that, that struck a chord with you. what, what do you think about that? i mean, i just think it's so hilarious to bring the image generation into the conversation about ours. because, you know, are just so much more than, you know, selling an image that could hang up on someone sofa. and what are you in the morning? i'm going to interrupt because we only have a few minutes. this is not about the image generation, it's about a replacing lawyers, maybe some nurses and doctors, like all the things a i that the chat to be taken to do better than here most welcome. yeah, i think there's, there's 2 levels and richard can look at it would be the compositions of a i, but probably as brought there in this on the competition of u. b. i, in the last couple of years. however, the 1st challenge of looking at a i, which is using a i in deciding who gets money or not, which is

a super primitive matching situation because human beings of a very dynamic and there's something very different to doctors. so using that technology and i think it's happening and it's already taken place. but at the same time, i think replacing all the changing jobs and determining whether this is the particular problem for us to fight and even poverty. it should not come to that, like i said, you're like, oh my god, i've got a job and because i've got less than a minute left, and sam or a guy, i don't have time to get to go to you. i'm sorry. and i know guy wanted to get into point about one of the things you b, i does is giving everyone money. people are much less likely to be exploited. if they have the money they need to live on. so it can be very empowering and what should have gotten to that point during the show. but man, what an interesting topic. thank you for joining us. that's all the time we have for today. want to take my guess guy. so go on, eleanor, and for you, you can always find a stream that out. is there a com? thank you for watching the

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