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a threat that's according to the world health organization, which is now monitoring and you're very cold. e, g 5 is not necessarily more dangerous than other veterans, but it is spreading foss across several countries from the us to japan and china, the strain appears to be highly transmissible. so is k with 19 who to stay? and with so many variants, constantly emerging will booster shots even make a difference? we'll explore these questions with a guest and just somebody would prefer us this report from katia lucas. it's a new cove of 19 variants that spreading fast. it's called the e g 5, and the world health organization is keeping an eye on it. the vitus continues to cycle 18 own countries. it continues to kim and it continues to change. the ability to, he's got into the tracking 7 of the variants including e, g dot 5 for which we have publishing at least keep on wishing for now. health. the

experts say the easy 5 strain doesn't appear to pose a higher thread than other variants. like on the cron, but the cases are on the rise, particularly in china, south korea, japan, canada, and the us with new variance emerging booster vaccines must also change. we try to select the empty gen a that will a provide use the maximum breast of unity. so that to protection to people is a, as a why that's supposed to be born uh, on dissipating that the virus movers between the time where the recommendation is issue and the time when the vaccine is produced. e g 5 is causing about 70 percent of new cold at 19 cases in the us with schools back in session and summer travel possibly fueling the risk. but on a global level, the w h o says it's struggling to keep accurate statistics with only 25 percent of

countries still reporting cold with 19 data. we don't detect a change in severity of e g dot 5 compared to others, something he does it on the chrome that had been in circulation since late 2021. the world is still recovering from the aftermath of the devastating pandemic. nearly 7000000 people have died globally since cope with 19 1st emerged in 2020. it's no longer a pen demik, but the w h o says it's a mistake for governments to see the virus as something of the past. patsy a little bit. so the again for insights story the so that you have it, let's bring it in now i guess now in just show we have a pool hunter in the u. k. that the meal logistic professor in medicine at the university of east anglia, in power. some problems works on a paycheck. a global health advisor and a global engagement lecture at the university college of london school. the

pharmacy i am on by thoughts each while i get a lot of consultants on infectious diseases and present emeritus of the 8 society of india. a warm welcome to each of you and knocks on it. if i could start with you straight to the bottom line, should we be, why do you think? well, i think this is certainly not the time to let our guard up, but it's important to stress that the overall risk globally is low. we're not in the same position as we were even in december 2022 at the on a crime wave. but not all countries are surveying as much as they can be. and we need to get that booster program rolling out. that is a more specific vaccine for this new variant of interest. so what i'm really concerned about are the, is the vulnerable population. we should certainly not let our guard down, but there is also not a reason for for panic as a w show has assess the risk globally to be low. right issues,

everything to collection. you're alluding to that which will come on to it. and the name is it to you, it, but 1st full hon said the w h. i have described the g 5 is a variant of interest. what do they mean by that as well? they classified you better and suspects of interest. there is a very concise, is a very the circulating that they are worried about the is likely to cause increase home to share their have interesting is basically they have finally made up their minds of the watching. like to have it done before they decide what's the most that so the interests never make it towards that. it's clearly something i've done in the past. so one to watch this, why is it then in this case there is more contrast around the world more coverage about at the g 5 and what's happening with the spread?

i'm not sure. i mean, we've been seeing you variance every 3 to 4 months. so that's a spread. typically they're associated with a, an increase in case these lovely for a few weeks before then a dying back down to the ultimate be replaced by another new variable. so i didn't see this variance as being any difference too many of the other variables that we've seen in, in, in the last year or so. well, we have seen these with the weight of infections, certainly in the english states and what she's still pretty reasonable. the east austin way these last few of the people in the hospital. it was fewer people than the previous slide said. this is a virus that's going to be around forever. we know the other human road in viruses . so you variance called escape variance variance that can bypass to a certain extent problem units a of the

a saw. so the 2 is following the dock to get all this work a lot of what's your sense about this using much of a g 5 yet in india a boy in india, we are dividing only one case of we do fight according to me. we should not do much of a good us to do so. 80 sort of or did you, did you point by? if you look at the virtual assistant, the, i'm already in the uh, one of the video and under warranty. the us didn't video with this, then they end up done something and then they end up high cost equals. but if you look at the last 21 months, we did not get any new already or after or equal. and what do what the declared value need to stop. so video is a video x b b 1.9.2, which is a somebody and up all week long. so i feel the jump in there for seconds. it just those, those numbers real quick. you know, just explain for,

of you as if you would what you mean by that. if you're differentiating between different variants there are you sure. uh, we have one. why the, why they, why is which other one white us after that we have on file be dot dot gamma. and after that one, if she can, but that was fun, not a video. well, any good, so then it will be, will be dropped off. so it will be grounded as long you will, but in this i will be glad to work and change it to x v be actually be point 11119.2. and this is a good eighty's or easy one. find it is a, somebody in the x, b, b. so it is block, i will be drunk driving it or you just beginning i've been going, well, big block is already and up. support actually is putting the what do you have for will be good? good, good deal. we're not going to be opened up. so would you like to do a report do kitchens for glasses? business, a topic, airline. everything opened up. and then also if there's been no looking back. so if we, we, we should look at the project to the open fiction, it would be

a driving new inspection. did they should not us go up to that project really is decided to buy, buy things. number one, how many people like, what oxygen, how many people to go out of bed, and what do you already do? but like what i see you bye for how many people are they quite a victim again in the book why you called me to put a die. so if the dates and all other books that i would just have little noise. no, i don't think we should be good to go. it is currently what's, what's less so brother and much less so or didn't get us then. i don't know why this is. yeah. okay. got it. oh i that's interesting. yeah. give you, let me just let me know. we'll come back to the 2nd. we'll come back to you in a 2nd as well. but i'm still on the point is though the people looking in from the outside would say that it is spreading faster than the variance have that have done before. is it yeah, so we've seen successive ways of i'm a crime so that the variance so that's uh the x b b a reference that our colleague just made. i'm not spend the pattern for the

last 18 months now, but in certain regions, we see that rate of hospitalization going up and increasing your being one area in the u. k as well that's creeping back up again. so there's going to be potentially going into the full width r s, v and other flu virus says we're spear tree viruses that can put a lot of strain on the health system. so think there's, there, there are concerns amongst the leaders of health care systems and hospitals about how this could affect it. that way if continues, particularly as be quite seen, children will be back in school and our booster programs are not fully ready at pull hunter and trisha. you're an epidemiologist, i can say he want to jump in. yeah, i think, well we have said are comparing the rates of rugs in relationship to of the

variance. recently the e g point 5 isn't actually taking over as rapidly as say, some of the other, some of the variance of only calling that we've seen over the last year. so it needs, it needs still increasing. it probably will lead to some increased exits, the hospitalization right at the moment has been going up in the u. k since january, and i don't think we can blame aging point 5 to that. well, it's been increasing any way possibly because of overseas part of the problem, which is another risk factor. but also, i think because this is a virus, the unity against infections is very short lived. whether it's from boxing or from a natural infection, by about 4 or 5 months after the infection, all that see about how some people have lost everything even see any way. and so you are going to see these weights of a, of infections that gradually get less in terms of the severity. and i think that's

what we, that's what we were expecting about 2 years ago. and that's essentially what we see, e g point 5 will probably lead to more access, as cases rides that will be some increasing hospitalizations. but at the moment in england we, we come from a point at the beginning of july where we had fewer people in the hospital from because of cope with them. we've had really since the very 1st weeks of the pub damage. and so we, all the cases hospitalizations have gone up, they go up from a very low thanks. and there's some evidence that asked that so ready, beginning to placid. this is what it said. so with more cases, we say you say it is not one particularly to worry about this one. but if we're getting more more cases for those who are vulnerable, particularly vulnerable to cove, it, it does present a big problem, does net, especially the elderly, a st bedroom of data. but in that,

it was that when the senior citizens and people read the commodities had seen institution, people who come over these are those who left some of the other funding. so they may get anything and everything and we shouldn't look after them even otherwise. so apart from that, there's no method of consent a bit. you will have to be some cases, even 70 percent off or 70 percent increase. that is $16.00 of the cases that are going to the eighty's or really what it is not grudging. any problem. now if you look up the bookings, what, what, what we have a hybrid even, or do you have to do, but it is a natural liberty because of infection. i've actually, even though the vaccine of your b as rid of any bidding we ever mean, what does that mean? what he sense get activated, but up the same, why? that's why i see that why this is attack again and this other one, what new addition apart from the extra being properly. so with why don't even revision, you can either send me a d. what do you just not causing any problem? and so long as not causing any problem,

we should not be what i call it. it is e g is a employment, get a d for some people. if you have a broken word. so why does this, you have a bright all of this? we should come up that you're going to be going to send dig policies, anybody to do a poll, could i just come back to you for a 2nd to tell us a little bit more about how these viruses evolve and what the process is and how they reinvent themselves and why, when you say that actually slightly the, the kind of the potency of coated is, is diminishing as time goes on. why is that the case? what is the thing that they have to see in the bio sick cell probably is. nevertheless, i think one of the we have got these is immunity. i'm. there's 2 essentially there's 2 types of in unity that we can talk about this a community that starts in fashion, the cetera, like uh, some people card sterilizing. any routine that a and then the scene unity but prevents severe disease. now immunity,

the starting faction is spanish. so last thing, even with that, the parents knew variance and well we see is we most of the new veterans. the mutations are primarily in the areas, but the bottom topics to the coast airlines. and you can see me in the units extended community immunity to uh, hello. the infections is much more durable. it's caused by lots of other things, other than the short lived immunity to infection. a t so no new. so i'm going to go these kill us. so all of these went together and we know that over to an infection or up to back to nation human being sterilizing. it means you spend short lived immunities to severe disease. hospitalization, requiring oxygen that is much more durable. next,

particularly durable. if you've had the same pat unimed section that's called cyber to new z. so it's quite natural that we can expect we're going to see ways of uh, soft, curvy to infections. the surrender, you know, the severity this, the pressure on hospitals will undoubtedly get continued to get less and less, i think has to the last well really, since the 1st on the chrome way. right. so it's advantage seems just didn't pull it and still need to play a role in all of this looks on the ad will we will people need boosters to deal with easy point 5 and any forthcoming versions? well, there have been recommendations for the new booster to be a uh, uh, tailored to the um, a cron, uh, subs variance and not to include the original uh,

wild virus because that has not been in circulation for so long. that has been the recommendation that has come for us uh to the ca, however, uh it will be important for those timings uh, especially for the vulnerable uh we're looking at people who are and you know, compromised elderly people, even pregnant women for a higher clinical risk to get a booster shot, but that booster shot should be an updated version, not the ones that we've had in circulation previously. so this does not seem to be on track to be ready for september in the states. i think there's a bit of a delay before it gets out in october, but i think the timing also matters, but also to, to highlight my colleagues point this will be processed in which the modification of the tweaking of the boosters for certain populations will be an ongoing process to make sure it's as effective as possible. right. so i'm, so i know it's important to boost community,

not only for the vulnerable but also for those because as it spreads more and more people to be exposed to it and therefore the possibility of long coded hitting people is gonna grow the chances of, of getting it going to grows or well we, we still have a lot to learn about long clues and, and there is a lot of work to be done even within the medical community around recognizing and treating long who read. certainly, we're done with the improved vaccines that we'll see that this could be in the next step in terms of reducing the burden of long co read. but i think that there's a lot of investment that's needed around this because even with mild cases, those who are fit, young, unhealthy, have developed long coded and, and they do not fall into those risk groups of the most vulnerable. so i think, you know, we're a long ways away from actually understanding how to prevent long cupid use of the

best bet would be to be vaccinated in to get that booster shot when it's ready. right. and on this subject, vaccinations is with a lot of that of course the global south. we had this whole issue of equality across levels off last time around. it didn't get it fast share. what about india? what's its experience being and, and what's his position now in terms of giving bases to the population. you're talking about direction. yeah. to look at in the computer duly. if we compare our so with the about 5, is that i want an eviction or that i want to direction indian vaccine, which is estrogenic article. we should in india that deeper. somebody bought a suit, goshen. this is found to be a better vaccine that they're buying it with a lot. what do i get to do then embody me list adverse effect? anybody and therefore engage in that one? did you situation? i'm secondly, in the i can make other vaccine even shot respect and all different act one is available. so if we all do break did go to vaccine, we did

a new ready and just somebody or it can be done easily. but having said that, nobody's going to direction now, because if we have a flu vaccine, hardly bite within percent prepared to correction, and this is currently might, it doesn't to, to or direction i get. so what do i use advisor? the people are not wiggle dick. the tug those rustic on even deal by the 30 percent, but really just as i guess to stay with the rivers incorporated and we've got the google says it, it should be top vaccine. otherwise it is. uh, not really what, what, what is going to work is because what management data will i will see you guys have done most of it and this is a deluxe word works you want on this kind of uh, it is the worksheet. oh, so good. yes. so been many, many, many same. we have what dependency and all you have to do option to grab it. is that everything is that people are probably going to bother if this is what you know, at the lower end of like the exams are like, yeah, it says includes an a and b. that obviously is representative items. and that is go

with it. yeah. so it is yours, but what it was that it will go with the pool on to we saying that we should be less worried about kind of id and it's variance like the g point 5. and we should be focusing more on the greats of threats of flu, which comes every winter. well, i think, i think it's still too early to stop worrying about it. i wouldn't points that the b o boxing may not generate subst as offensive sterilizing units e to infection as, as maybe a new variance were it still provides very good protection against small, severe disease, the old devising compared to the bi data boxes. well, there wasn't that much difference in how well they protected against the a to z. so yeah, i mean, even in the absence of a new boxing,

they own the traditional that seems to have substantial value if you are at risk of most severe disease. so, you know, don't, don't, uh, decline because you don't think it's the search. it's against the circulating the $18.00 of the problems we knew we tracing boxing 6 months to base events that we've seen come around, stay around to get literally a mattress, a couple of months before another, very a, they're all going from some of their ids so we will never be in that position, but we can have a new variable, i, d, g, a point 5 and then generates it back to you before that disappears and we've got a new variance again. so i think we uh, the existing vaccine still provide substantial protection against sure, a severe disease of so on at the beginning of the program. we talked about this

issue of data collecting and decreased levels of testing, which i guess it makes it harder to accurately attract u. k with 19 cases and give us the, the quantity of knowledge that we need. is that the case and how serious the problem is that? yes, so the world health organization has are usually called for governments to maintain their vigilance around monitoring and surveillance so that we can be prepared. not only for search could be 2 and all of a sudden variance of but if you can direct. so this is also really important part of pandemic security. and is something that the w 2 is discussing in their pap pandemic a chord with member states. so i think, you know, we can't just be relying on unlimited tools, the more information we have, the better and, and also just to emphasize that, of course, the, the, the previous, you know, any vaccines for a better, the no vaccine if you are vulnerable. but now that the, the,

the wild strain is no longer in, in circulation, it does make sense, going forward to have just a broad stroke on the kron focused vaccine. so hopefully we do see that and hopefully me see countries taking this seriously in terms of monitoring and surveillance because the be a, there's still a lot that we have to learn particularly long cove and burden and the additional complications to help that will be very costly. for societies is why the w insurance says it's a mistake for governments to think that type it is a thing of the past. all governments around the world do you think ready for a major increase in infractions this winter approaches to find the fact that these are big done spend? i think the fitness then any time before i can just in lots of good. yes. so we'll be waiting for those to take, spend any preparedness, what emergency preparedness as well with age. so management get us to be, or any of this is brandon makes. and secondly, there should be global head security,

which is very weak. and this was going to see if you're seeing the vaccines game, all this going to do is they acquired pipe would say what times, what the little vaccines, the population they would this bother about. this will do what it is. only india. we've talked a bit that a board or people we're doing pretty good visual get vaccine. so they're going to have security. i think the visuals made that did that should be provided security. that should be nice. those countries which are bring, i guess the ticket to be the only subject or what do you, what they don't get, the what the, what the, what do for the people or what does that is a wrong policy? so if we have one of these products, the benefit preparedness and global net security, i think we are all good about us. yeah, it's a pull out and so it could not go your way. flew continues to evolve a nearly every year. we need to, to focus on the threats of, you know, coming threats, coming from elsewhere. different viruses, emoji. oh, absolutely. i mean, not being graduated just over 40 years ago. and every year since i graduated in mex,

that has been long more new infections. imagine inspections. imagine infectious disease. ready and a lot of people, i think, studying from most of the last 20 years, i think the thing about the preparedness and we've seen this inc with influenza director, parents. in the past, most governments, most of the country's, most institutions are really well. okay. so the next time that make a year or 2 after the last 4 on by the and the problem is keeping that momentum. uh so you know, when, when we used to box and when i was involved in running the vaccination campaign, so they the healthcare stuff because it was easier to get people to be fascinated after the year after that flu. that in the year before that flu season and how do we do that? how do we t, public health results is attention going at

a time when you to many of the major problems and it's like this. well, every most government slice likes pounds and that i think is the challenge. interesting. well thank you. guess to all of you for your opinions and the value judgments about all of his pull home talk, send a check and talk to each what canada. thank you so much for joining us today. and thanks to you for watching, you can see the program again at any time by visiting our website. how does 0 dot com for further discussion? just go to a facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is as a inside story for meeting the clock. team devices the the,

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